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The year is 2025 and militants have attacked India's parliament, killing most of its leaders. New Delhi retaliates by sending tanks into Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK).

Fearing it will be overrun, Islamabad hits the invading forces with its battlefield nuclear weapons, triggering the deadliest conflict in history — and catastrophic global cooling, with temperatures not seen since the last Ice Age.

This scenario was modelled by researchers in a new paper published on Wednesday, which envisaged more than 100 million immediate deaths, followed by global mass starvation after megatons of thick black soot block out sunlight for up to a decade.

It comes at a time of renewed tensions between the two South Asian rivals, which have fought several wars over the Kashmir Valley and are rapidly building up their atomic arsenals.

They currently each have about 150 nuclear warheads at their disposal, with the number expected to climb to more than 200 by 2025.

“Unfortunately it's timely because India and Pakistan remain in conflict over Kashmir, and every month or so you can read about people dying along the border,” Alan Robock, a professor in environmental sciences at Rutgers University, who co-authored the paper in Science Advances, told AFP.

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi scrapped the autonomy of occupied Kashmir in August, following which his Pakistani counterpart Imran Khan warned the United Nations last week that the dispute could escalate into nuclear war.

The two countries last fought a border conflict in February, but they pulled back from the brink after Pakistan returned a downed pilot to India.

India has a “no first strike” policy, but reserves the right to mount a nuclear response to any hit by weapons of mass destruction.

Pakistan has declared it would only use nuclear weapons if it could not stop an invasion by conventional means or were attacked first with nuclear weapons.

The authors wrote that although their scenario had Pakistan pulling the trigger first, they did not mean to imply they believed this was more likely.

Mass starvation

Based on their current populations and the urban centres that would be likely targeted, the researchers estimated up to 125 million could be killed if both countries expended the bulk of their highest yield weapons.

Around 75-80 million people were killed in World War II.

This most extreme scenario would involve the use of 100 kiloton weapons, more than six times as powerful as the bombs dropped on Hiroshima.

A single airburst from such a bomb could kill two million people and injure 1.5 million — but most of the deaths would occur from the raging firestorms that followed the blast.

“India would suffer two to three times more fatalities and casualties than Pakistan because, in our scenario, Pakistan uses more weapons than India and because India has a much larger population and more densely populated cities,” the paper said.

As a percentage of its urban population, though, Pakistan's losses would be about twice those of India.

But nuclear Armageddon would be only the beginning.

The research found that the firestorms could release 16 million to 36 million tonnes of soot (black carbon) into the upper atmosphere, spreading around the world within weeks.

The soot in turn would absorb solar radiation, heating the air up and boosting the smoke's rise.

Sunlight reaching the Earth would decline 20 to 35 per cent, cooling the surface by 2 to 5 degrees Celsius and reducing precipitation by 15 to 30pc.

Worldwide food shortages would follow, with the effects persisting up to 10 years.

“I hope our work will make people realise you can't use nuclear weapons, they are weapons of mass genocide,” Robock told AFP, adding the paper lent more evidence to support the 2017 UN Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons.

Johann Chacko, a columnist for Quartz India and doctoral student at SOAS in London, said the work “helps the global community evaluate the cost of nuclear war for everyone, not just the combatant nations,” particularly its climatic impacts.

But, he added: "There's very little in the history of Indo-Pakistan kinetic conflict to suggest that leadership on either side would continue escalating until they annihilated the other."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1508756/researchers-warn-india-pakistan-nuclear-war-could-kill-100-million
 
There is a greater chance of an alien invasion than any two countries - let alone Pakistan and India - engaging in a nuclear war.
 
The year is 2025 and militants have attacked India's parliament, killing most of its leaders. New Delhi retaliates by sending tanks into Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK).

That would not be easy or even possible. The more likely scenario is that India would initiate a false flag operation and cause civilian casualties rather than kill any of the leaders. They would then escalate across the IB not just AJK. While mounting a full scale attack in AJk. This could be theoretically limited to kashmir but there is no guarantee the Indians could pull it off. Again the analysts have shown their racism by assuming Pakistan is stupid and will send militants into India


Fearing it will be overrun, Islamabad hits the invading forces with its battlefield nuclear weapons, triggering the deadliest conflict in history — and catastrophic global cooling, with temperatures not seen since the last Ice Age.

Pakistan cant be overrun in AJk. End of. Another scenario is Pakistan pushing back the initial Indian assualt and counter attacking moving into IOK. Would India then use tactical nukes?



This scenario was modelled by researchers in a new paper published on Wednesday, which envisaged more than 100 million immediate deaths, followed by global mass starvation after megatons of thick black soot block out sunlight for up to a decade.

It comes at a time of renewed tensions between the two South Asian rivals, which have fought several wars over the Kashmir Valley and are rapidly building up their atomic arsenals.

They currently each have about 150 nuclear warheads at their disposal, with the number expected to climb to more than 200 by 2025.

“Unfortunately it's timely because India and Pakistan remain in conflict over Kashmir, and every month or so you can read about people dying along the border,” Alan Robock, a professor in environmental sciences at Rutgers University, who co-authored the paper in Science Advances, told AFP.

yes they remain in conflict and now we have a bunch of racist nutjobs with their fingers on the trigger but you go right ahead and keep coming up with scenarios!

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi scrapped the autonomy of occupied Kashmir in August, following which his Pakistani counterpart Imran Khan warned the United Nations last week that the dispute could escalate into nuclear war.


The two countries last fought a border conflict in February, but they pulled back from the brink after Pakistan returned a downed pilot to India.

India has a “no first strike” policy, but reserves the right to mount a nuclear response to any hit by weapons of mass destruction.

They no longer adhere to this policy according to the Indian Himmler Amit shah

Pakistan has declared it would only use nuclear weapons if it could not stop an invasion by conventional means or were attacked first with nuclear weapons.

The authors wrote that although their scenario had Pakistan pulling the trigger first, they did not mean to imply they believed this was more likely.

Naah you did really stop lieing.

Mass starvation

Based on their current populations and the urban centres that would be likely targeted, the researchers estimated up to 125 million could be killed if both countries expended the bulk of their highest yield weapons.

Around 75-80 million people were killed in World War II.

This most extreme scenario would involve the use of 100 kiloton weapons, more than six times as powerful as the bombs dropped on Hiroshima.

A single airburst from such a bomb could kill two million people and injure 1.5 million — but most of the deaths would occur from the raging firestorms that followed the blast.

“India would suffer two to three times more fatalities and casualties than Pakistan because, in our scenario, Pakistan uses more weapons than India and because India has a much larger population and more densely populated cities,” the paper said.

As a percentage of its urban population, though, Pakistan's losses would be about twice those of India.

But nuclear Armageddon would be only the beginning.

The research found that the firestorms could release 16 million to 36 million tonnes of soot (black carbon) into the upper atmosphere, spreading around the world within weeks.

The soot in turn would absorb solar radiation, heating the air up and boosting the smoke's rise.

Sunlight reaching the Earth would decline 20 to 35 per cent, cooling the surface by 2 to 5 degrees Celsius and reducing precipitation by 15 to 30pc.

Worldwide food shortages would follow, with the effects persisting up to 10 years.

“I hope our work will make people realise you can't use nuclear weapons, they are weapons of mass genocide,” Robock told AFP, adding the paper lent more evidence to support the 2017 UN Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons.

Imran khan said this but Modi and his nutjobs have other ideas

Johann Chacko, a columnist for Quartz India and doctoral student at SOAS in London, said the work “helps the global community evaluate the cost of nuclear war for everyone, not just the combatant nations,” particularly its climatic impacts.

But, he added: "There's very little in the history of Indo-Pakistan kinetic conflict to suggest that leadership on either side would continue escalating until they annihilated the other."

All bets are off with modi and his racists

https://www.dawn.com/news/1508756/researchers-warn-india-pakistan-nuclear-war-could-kill-100-million

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There is a greater chance of an alien invasion than any two countries - let alone Pakistan and India - engaging in a nuclear war.

Well said sir! not many realise both india and Pakistan nukes are only deterrents ..
 
The threat of a nuclear war is very unlikely because of M.A.D (Mutually Assured Destruction). However, nothing can be ruled out when you have nationalists in seats of power.

Let’s hope that sense prevails between India and Pakistan.
 
There will never be a nuke war. Even Modi can't be this stupid as he knows Pak will use it's beauties as well if provoked. If India dare play this game we'll also press a few red buttons before dying as well. Had Pak not had nukes then India would not had hesitated to nuke us.
 
When you see nobody caring about Imran's repeated alarms of a nuclear war, you should know it'd never happen. All this talk is a joke and irresponsible. The new age war is economical and it does way more damage than any war.
 
When you see nobody caring about Imran's repeated alarms of a nuclear war, you should know it'd never happen. All this talk is a joke and irresponsible. The new age war is economical and it does way more damage than any war.

economic warfare is not worse than a nuclear war lol. Climate change is the only threat that may be worse than a nuclear war.
 
economic warfare is not worse than a nuclear war lol. Climate change is the only threat that may be worse than a nuclear war.

Lol if economic war mattered than why cant USA get Iran to bend the knee since 79, or even Venezuela.
 
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Do you REALLY need a researcher to affirm that nuclear war could lead to millions of deaths?

You just need a common sense.
 
No way India or Pakistan would start a nuclear war. The media knows it as well but hey. . who doesn't like sensationalism ?
 
No way India or Pakistan would start a nuclear war. The media knows it as well but hey. . who doesn't like sensationalism ?

I wouldn't rule this out with India having an RSS government in power. They were foolish in flying into Pakistani territory ending up with a bloody pilot and a few dead troops. Now after this immoral curfew, its almost certain there will be retaliation from within IOK. The RSS government might do the same by attacking Pakistan but Pakistan wont hit unmarked areas in return again, they will take out bases. This could then escalate with RSS government firing a missle taking it to full blown war. In such scenario, India will use nukes if it's taking a beating.

Never underestimate extremists. All religions have extremists but only one religion has elected them into government.
 
I wouldn't rule this out with India having an RSS government in power. They were foolish in flying into Pakistani territory ending up with a bloody pilot and a few dead troops. Now after this immoral curfew, its almost certain there will be retaliation from within IOK. The RSS government might do the same by attacking Pakistan but Pakistan wont hit unmarked areas in return again, they will take out bases. This could then escalate with RSS government firing a missle taking it to full blown war. In such scenario, India will use nukes if it's taking a beating.

Never underestimate extremists. All religions have extremists but only one religion has elected them into government.

Thank god your opinion doesn't matter. If I say Pakistan has elected aliens then I am sure it sounds same.
 
Thank god your opinion doesn't matter. If I say Pakistan has elected aliens then I am sure it sounds same.

Neither does yours or anyones on this forum esp the RSS brigade.

No you would sound silly and wrong. Care to explain why the BJP/RSS are not extremists? As much detail as you like.
 
economic warfare is not worse than a nuclear war lol. Climate change is the only threat that may be worse than a nuclear war.

Economic war is feasible. Nuclear war isn't. That's the difference.
 
I wouldn't rule this out with India having an RSS government in power. They were foolish in flying into Pakistani territory ending up with a bloody pilot and a few dead troops. Now after this immoral curfew, its almost certain there will be retaliation from within IOK. The RSS government might do the same by attacking Pakistan but Pakistan wont hit unmarked areas in return again, they will take out bases. This could then escalate with RSS government firing a missle taking it to full blown war. In such scenario, India will use nukes if it's taking a beating.

Never underestimate extremists. All religions have extremists but only one religion has elected them into government.

Why would India take a beating? Every analyst thinks it's Pakistan that will deploy nukes first out of desperation. Heck, even Imran said a bunch of times that if they are losing the conventional war, Pak has no choice but to deploy nukes. As they said in inception, dreaming is ok only upto a certain extent.
 
Why would India take a beating? Every analyst thinks it's Pakistan that will deploy nukes first out of desperation. Heck, even Imran said a bunch of times that if they are losing the conventional war, Pak has no choice but to deploy nukes. As they said in inception, dreaming is ok only upto a certain extent.

Ive just explained, you cannot underestimate RSS extremist nutjobs. These clowns believe they are here to put right the wrongs the Muslims did to them so in any war imo they would use nukes first. As for beating, see Feb 2019, with these idiots in charge it will happen again.
 
Ive just explained, you cannot underestimate RSS extremist nutjobs. These clowns believe they are here to put right the wrongs the Muslims did to them so in any war imo they would use nukes first. As for beating, see Feb 2019, with these idiots in charge it will happen again.

Did you forget the Paranoia in Pakistan after Feb 27th? There was panic and power cuts as there was an expectation that India would attack again. Like I said, Pak can't win a conventional war against India. Sure, they can down a few jets but war is much bigger than that isn't it. The numbers just don't add up. There won't be a nuclear war. There is already an economic war being fought. When did you last hear army begging the terrorists not to cross the border? FATF is the real war.
 
Syria shot down Russian fighter jet in 2012.

Somalia shot down US jet in the mid 90s.

So , I guess Bashar Assad will rule Russia and Somalia is going to take over Amreeka if there is a full scale war between them. :msd
 
I wouldn't rule this out with India having an RSS government in power. They were foolish in flying into Pakistani territory ending up with a bloody pilot and a few dead troops. Now after this immoral curfew, its almost certain there will be retaliation from within IOK. The RSS government might do the same by attacking Pakistan but Pakistan wont hit unmarked areas in return again, they will take out bases. This could then escalate with RSS government firing a missle taking it to full blown war. In such scenario, India will use nukes if it's taking a beating.

Never underestimate extremists. All religions have extremists but only one religion has elected them into government.

Oh now I get it. May be that's why Modi is mentioning "nuclear war" on Twitter a dozen times a day.

Man , he might be awfully scared that IA will get a "beating" and nukes are the only way that can keep the powerful Pak army calm. I feel bad for Modi. :dw
 
Ive just explained, you cannot underestimate RSS extremist nutjobs. These clowns believe they are here to put right the wrongs the Muslims did to them so in any war imo they would use nukes first. As for beating, see Feb 2019, with these idiots in charge it will happen again.

Any facts supporting your claims?
 
100-million is a too low number. I think actual casualty would be many times higher than that.

Also, neighboring countries can be victims too. They can accidentally get bombed.

Nobody wins if a nuclear war takes place.
 
Did you forget the Paranoia in Pakistan after Feb 27th? There was panic and power cuts as there was an expectation that India would attack again. Like I said, Pak can't win a conventional war against India. Sure, they can down a few jets but war is much bigger than that isn't it. The numbers just don't add up. There won't be a nuclear war. There is already an economic war being fought. When did you last hear army begging the terrorists not to cross the border? FATF is the real war.

lol Pak cut power as part of the self defence strategy. No need to beg anyone not to do anything, the proxy war will continue, give it time and you will see. Its a great thing to support those who a fighting for freedom.

Any facts supporting your claims?

You dont believe the RSS/BJP government is an extremist government? Perhaps less time watching Bollywood?
 
Neither does yours or anyones on this forum esp the RSS brigade.

No you would sound silly and wrong. Care to explain why the BJP/RSS are not extremists? As much detail as you like.

Yapp for sure. But have one condition. You would have screenshot of that messages because you have short term memory and we all cant repeat everyday same thing again and again
Between RSS is only extremist as per Pakistan whereas UN has recognized plenty of terrorist from Pakistan and imran himself has admitted plenty of times in international forum that they used to support terrorism in exchange of money.
There are some facts and there are some emotions. India runs on facts and Pakistan always on emotions.
RSS is just hindu version of pakistan but just one difference that kts not that powerful like world most wanted terrorists living in Pakistan.
 
Yapp for sure. But have one condition. You would have screenshot of that messages because you have short term memory and we all cant repeat everyday same thing again and again
Between RSS is only extremist as per Pakistan whereas UN has recognized plenty of terrorist from Pakistan and imran himself has admitted plenty of times in international forum that they used to support terrorism in exchange of money.
There are some facts and there are some emotions. India runs on facts and Pakistan always on emotions.
RSS is just hindu version of pakistan but just one difference that kts not that powerful like world most wanted terrorists living in Pakistan.

screenshots lol

If RSS supporters could argue the BJP are not extremists they would be posting their reasoning on a daily basis.

You have made no argument for them not being extremists???

Let me help you.

1. Is BJP ideology based on Hindutva? Yes or No?
 
Unfortunately this will affect Pakistanis a lot more than it will affect Indians as most of India's population is concentrated in the south.
 
screenshots lol

If RSS supporters could argue the BJP are not extremists they would be posting their reasoning on a daily basis.

You have made no argument for them not being extremists???

Let me help you.

1. Is BJP ideology based on Hindutva? Yes or No?

No BJP not based on hindutva. How many minorities got killed out of 125 crore population under BJP regime? Not even in 3 figures out of 125 crore population. And irony is perhaps more BJP leaders got killed in the same time.
Between isn't Pakistan islamic Nation? Is it secular? All are humans equal there? Why all humans not equal there? You guys belong to islamic Nation and still have confidence to question the secular nature of other Nation. It's amazing.

Thousands of hindus and other minorities apply for Indian citizenship from Pakistan under BJP regime. Even muslims comes to India in plenty of numbers under BJP regime such as rohingya Or bangladeshi muslims.
Why dnt Indian Muslims apply for Pakistan citizenship? Because they know, few incidents happen here and there in such a big country called India but overall it's 100 times better than Pakistan.
RSS is just hindu Pakistan. If that makes them extremist then they are.
Plus isn't it true imran khan agreed that their army and previous govts used to support terrorists?
Isn't it true Pakistan has so many UN recognized most wanted terrorists.you are talking about reasoning. We can write a book on this issue but the thing is you guys are blind folded by the name of religion.
 
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No BJP not based on hindutva. How many minorities got killed out of 125 crore population under BJP regime? Not even in 3 figures out of 125 crore population. And irony is perhaps more BJP leaders got killed in the same time.
Between isn't Pakistan islamic Nation? Is it secular? All are humans equal there? Why all humans not equal there? You guys belong to islamic Nation and still have confidence to question the secular nature of other Nation. It's amazing.

Thousands of hindus and other minorities apply for Indian citizenship from Pakistan under BJP regime. Even muslims comes to India in plenty of numbers under BJP regime such as rohingya Or bangladeshi muslims.
Why dnt Indian Muslims apply for Pakistan citizenship? Because they know, few incidents happen here and there in such a big country called India but overall it's 100 times better than Pakistan.
RSS is just hindu Pakistan. If that makes them extremist then they are.
Plus isn't it true imran khan agreed that their army and previous govts used to support terrorists?
Isn't it true Pakistan has so many UN recognized most wanted terrorists.you are talking about reasoning. We can write a book on this issue but the thing is you guys are blind folded by the name of religion.

There is no point me reading further if you believe Hindutva has nothing to do with the BJP.

"Taking its genes from RSS and the erstwhile Bharatiya Jan Sangh, BJP is dedicated to the country’s unity, integrity, its inherent uniqueness, social strength, individual character and cultural exclusivity that have been the characteristic of India."

The BJP themselves admit they take their ideological genes from the RSS. Are you now going to deny RSS doesnt follow Hindutva?
 
There is no point me reading further if you believe Hindutva has nothing to do with the BJP.

"Taking its genes from RSS and the erstwhile Bharatiya Jan Sangh, BJP is dedicated to the country’s unity, integrity, its inherent uniqueness, social strength, individual character and cultural exclusivity that have been the characteristic of India."

The BJP themselves admit they take their ideological genes from the RSS. Are you now going to deny RSS doesnt follow Hindutva?


I asked some questions. You first answer them then I will revert which I already answered.
Actually bharat has always been the attraction for invaders for centuries. Earlier they used to come through sword and then through business and now trying to come though teaching secularism. Well dnt worry. India is secular already. No need to get taught by islamic Nation for sure. First become secular, treat all human equally, should have enough population from all religions then come back and talk
 
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I asked some questions. You first answer them then I will revert which I already answered.
Actually bharat has always been the attraction for invaders for centuries. Earlier they used to come through sword and then through business and now trying to come though teaching secularism. Well dnt worry. India is secular already. No need to get taught by islamic Nation for sure. First become secular, treat all human equally, should have enough population from all religions then come back and talk

I cant address your questions if you as an Indian and supporter of the BJP are clueless as to their belief/ideoleogy.

Have you now accepted Hindutva is a fundemantal part of the BJP ideology? Once we confirm this we can move on to your questions.
 
Ermm..we needed research for this? What a waste of resources!

Even if you say the research helps us find out an estimate, how is that even relevant? I can guesstimate 30-40 million will die from a nuclear conflict. That's still 30-40 million too many. It's not that there is some tolerable level of nuclear casualties the world is willing to accept, and we need research to find the inflection points beyond which the world start caring.
 
An NW cannot be ruled out.

MoD has already made GOI's new first use nuclear doctrine public some weeks ago.

If an NT is preempted from Pakistan, MoD has been given go ahead to launch NWHs.

Next two years remain under watch.

RAW is monitoring every move of PM Niyazi, ISI, Jaish and Lashkar camp.
 
Ermm..we needed research for this? What a waste of resources!

Even if you say the research helps us find out an estimate, how is that even relevant? I can guesstimate 30-40 million will die from a nuclear conflict. That's still 30-40 million too many. It's not that there is some tolerable level of nuclear casualties the world is willing to accept, and we need research to find the inflection points beyond which the world start caring.

Not to mention, the nuclear cloud that will impact nearby countries which I am sure the study didn't take into consideration.
 
Desis love to talk about their nuclear toys a lot. Those who want nuclear war will be crying like a baby once one of their family members dies in this war. :inti
 
An NW cannot be ruled out.

MoD has already made GOI's new first use nuclear doctrine public some weeks ago.

If an NT is preempted from Pakistan, MoD has been given go ahead to launch NWHs.

Next two years remain under watch.

RAW is monitoring every move of PM Niyazi, ISI, Jaish and Lashkar camp.

Nothing will happen. This is not Bollywood. :inti
 
Could India, Pakistan use nuclear weapons? Here’s what their doctrines say

Pakistan said it struck multiple Indian military bases in the early hours of Saturday, May 10, after claiming that India had launched missiles against three Pakistani bases, marking a sharp escalation in their already soaring tensions, as the neighbours edge closer to an all-out war.

Long-simmering hostilities, mostly over the disputed region of Kashmir, erupted into renewed fighting after the deadly April 22 Pahalgam attack in Indian-administered Kashmir that saw 25 tourists and a local guide killed in an armed group attack. India blamed Pakistan for the attack; Islamabad denied any role.

Since then, the nations have engaged in a series of ***-for-tat moves that began with diplomatic steps but have rapidly turned into aerial military confrontation.

As both sides escalate shelling and missile attacks and seem on the road to a full-scale battle, an unprecedented reality stares not just at the 1.6 billion people of India and Pakistan but at the world: An all-out war between them would be the first ever between two nuclear-armed nations.

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“It would be stupid for either side to launch a nuclear attack on the other … It is way short of probable that nuclear weapons are used, but that does not mean it’s impossible,” Dan Smith, director of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, told Al Jazeera.

So, how did we get here? What are the nuclear arsenals of India and Pakistan like? And when – according to them – might they use nuclear weapons?

How tensions have spiralled since April 22

India has long accused The Resistance Front (TRF) – the armed group that initially claimed credit for the Pahalgam attack, before then distancing itself from the killings – of being a proxy for the Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistan-based armed group that has repeatedly targeted India, including in the 2008 Mumbai attacks that left more than 160 people dead.

New Delhi blamed Islamabad for the Pahalgam attack. Pakistan denied any role.

India withdrew from a bilateral pact on water sharing, and both sides scaled back diplomatic missions and expelled each other’s citizens. Pakistan also threatened to walk out of other bilateral pacts, including the 1972 Simla Agreement that bound the neighbours to a ceasefire line in disputed Kashmir, known as the Line of Control (LoC).

But on May 7, India launched a wave of missile attacks against sites in Pakistan and Pakistan-administered Kashmir. It claimed it hit “terrorist infrastructure”, but Pakistan says at least 31 civilians, including two children, were killed.

On May 8, India launched drones into Pakistani airspace, reaching the country’s major cities. India claimed it was retaliating, and that Pakistan had fired missiles and drones at it. Then, for two nights in a row, cities in India and Indian-administered Kashmir reported explosions that New Delhi claimed were the result of attempted Pakistani attacks that were thwarted.

Pakistan denied sending missiles and drones into India on May 8 and May 9 – but that changed in the early hours of May 10, when Pakistan first claimed that India targeted three of its bases with missiles. Soon after, Pakistan claimed it struck at least seven Indian bases. India has not yet responded either to Pakistan’s claims that Indian bases were hit or to Islamabad’s allegation that New Delhi launched missiles at its military installations.



How many nuclear warheads do India and Pakistan have?

India first conducted nuclear tests in May 1974 before subsequent tests in May 1998, after which it declared itself a nuclear weapons state. Within days, Pakistan launched a series of six nuclear tests and officially became a nuclear-armed state, too.

Each side has since raced to build arms and nuclear stockpiles bigger than the other, a project that has cost them billions of dollars.

India is currently estimated to have more than 180 nuclear warheads. It has developed longer-range missiles and mobile land-based missiles capable of delivering them, and is working with Russia to build ship and submarine missiles, according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).

Pakistan’s arsenal, meanwhile, consists of more than 170 warheads. The country enjoys technological support from its regional ally, China, and its stockpile includes primarily mobile short- and medium-range ballistic missiles, with enough range to hit just inside India.

What’s India’s nuclear policy?

India’s interest in nuclear power was initially sparked and expanded under its first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, who was eager to use it to boost energy generation. However, in recent decades, the country has solidified its nuclear power status to deter its neighbours, China and Pakistan, over territorial disputes.

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New Delhi’s first and only nuclear doctrine was published in 2003 and has not been formally revised. The architect of that doctrine, the late strategic analyst K Subrahmanyam, was the father of India’s current foreign minister, S Jaishankar.

Only the prime minister, as head of the political council of the Nuclear Command Authority, can authorise a nuclear strike. India’s nuclear doctrine is built around four principles:

  • No First Use (NFU): This principle means that India will not be the first to launch nuclear attacks on its enemies. It will only retaliate with nuclear weapons if it is first hit in a nuclear attack. India’s doctrine says it can launch retaliation against attacks committed on Indian soil or if nuclear weapons are used against its forces on foreign territory. India also commits to not using nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.
  • Credible Minimum Deterrence: India’s nuclear posture is centred around deterrence – that is, its nuclear arsenal is meant primarily to discourage other countries from launching a nuclear attack on the country. India maintains that its nuclear arsenal is insurance against such attacks. It’s one of the reasons why New Delhi is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), as it maintains that all countries uniformly disarm before it does the same.
  • Massive Retaliation: India’s retaliation to a first-strike from an aggressor will be calculated to inflict such destruction and damage that the enemy’s military capabilities will be annihilated.
  • Exceptions for biological or chemical weapons: As an exception to NFU, India will use nuclear weapons against any state that targets the country or its military forces abroad with biological or chemical weapons, according to the doctrine.
What is Pakistan’s nuclear policy?

  • Strategic Ambiguity: Pakistan has never officially released a comprehensive policy statement on its nuclear weapons use, giving it the flexibility to potentially deploy nuclear weapons at any stage of a conflict, as it has threatened to do in the past. Experts widely believe that from the outset, Islamabad’s non-transparency was strategic and meant to act as a deterrence to India’s superior conventional military strength, rather than to India’s nuclear power alone.
  • The Four Triggers: However, in 2001, Lieutenant General (Retd) Khalid Ahmed Kidwai, regarded as a pivotal strategist involved in Pakistan’s nuclear policy, and an adviser to the nuclear command agency, laid out four broad “red lines” or triggers that could result in a nuclear weapon deployment. They are:
Spatial threshold – Any loss of large parts of Pakistani territory could warrant a response. This also forms the root of its conflict with India.

Military threshold – Destruction or targeting of a large number of its air or land forces could be a trigger.

Economic threshold – Actions by aggressors that might have a choking effect on Pakistan’s economy.

Political threshold – Actions that lead to political destabilisation or large-scale internal disharmony.

However, Pakistan has never spelled out just how large the loss of territory of its armed forces needs to be for these triggers to be set off.

Has India’s nuclear posture changed?

Although India’s official doctrine has remained the same, Indian politicians have in recent years implied that a more ambiguous posture regarding the No First Use policy might be in the works, presumably to match Pakistan’s stance.

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In 2016, India’s then-Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar questioned if India needed to continue binding itself to NFU. In 2019, the present Defence Minister Rajnath Singh said that India had so far strictly adhered to the NFU policy, but that changing situations could affect that.

“What happens in the future depends on the circumstances,” Singh had said.

India adopting this strategy might be seen as proportional, but some experts note that strategic ambiguity is a double-edged sword.

“The lack of knowledge of an adversary’s red lines could lead to lines inadvertently being crossed, but it could also restrain a country from engaging in actions that may trigger a nuclear response,” expert Lora Saalman notes in a commentary for the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

Has Pakistan’s nuclear posture changed?

Pakistan has moved from an ambiguous policy of not spelling out a doctrine to a more vocal “No NFU” policy in recent years.

In May 2024, Kidwai, the nuclear command agency adviser, said during a seminar that Islamabad “does not have a No First Use policy”.

As significantly, Pakistan has, since 2011, developed a series of so-called tactical nuclear weapons. TNWs are short-range nuclear weapons designed for more contained strikes and are meant to be used on the battlefield against an opposing army without causing widespread destruction.

In 2015, then-Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry confirmed that TNWs could be used in a potential future conflict with India.

In reality, however, experts warn that these warheads, too, can have explosive yields of up to 300 kilotonnes, or 20 times that of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. Not only could such explosions be disastrous, but some experts say that they might well affect Pakistan’s own border populations.

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Pakistan minister says no nuclear body meeting after military operation against India​


Pakistan’s Defence Minister Khawaja Asif says the National Command Authority, the top military and civil body overseeing the country’s nuclear arsenal, has not held any meetings.

“Nor or is any such meeting scheduled,” he told ARY TV.

“This thing that you have spoken about [nuclear option] is present, but let’s not talk about it – we should treat it as a very distant possibility, we shouldn’t even discuss it in the immediate context,” Asif said.

“Before we get to that point, I think temperatures will come down.”

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We will not be the first to fire nukes. We are not cowards. But God forbid if even 1 tiniest nuke comes from Pakistan, our second strike doctrine is a terrifying read. We will end everything
 
100 million is a severe number that sends chills down the spine.

Before commenting further can someone please confirm how many of the 100million would potentially be Indians?
 
100 million is a severe number that sends chills down the spine.

Before commenting further can someone please confirm how many of the 100million would potentially be Indians?
5 probably.. considering the nuclear fallout in Pakistan.. there may be Indian agents there..
 
Even if it's 200 million, if it comes to that point, one will lose 1/4 of the nation and the other will cease to exist
 
Today I was reading the historian Richard Overy’s book, Rain of Ruin: Tokyo, Hiroshima and the Surrender of Japan. Here is a brief extract on the immediate aftermath of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima:

“The bomb worked just as it was supposed to. It exploded 1,800 feet above ground, destroying all life within a radius of 1.5 kilometers from the hypocenter, burning those within 5 kilometers, followed by a blast wave that tore off the skin and damaged the internal organs of those who survived the initial radiation then briefly by a hurricane-force wind. The thermal radiation up to 500 meters from the hypocenter was 900 times more searing than the sun. The ionizing radiation released left survivors to die a slow death from vomiting and diarrhea and bleeding from the bowels, gums, nose, and genitals. There followed a firestorm generated partly by the primary impact of the bomb but chiefly from secondary fires from stoves, lamps, broken gas mains, and electrical short circuits caused by the blast effects. The fire provoked a wind of 30–40 miles an hour, burning out the whole city center. Only sixteen pieces of firefighting equipment survived the blast; 80 percent of the city’s firemen were killed or injured. The fire burnt itself out by early evening as it reached the less built-up outskirts of the city. The firestorm contributed to the destruction of 92 percent of the buildings in the city. The scale of destruction hampered rescue and relief operations, which began on a large scale only by August 9. The injured and dying could not be moved because there were no trains or vehicles; there was a shortage of the necessary medical supplies; and in the first hours there was no water to give to the parched victims.

…Within 1.5 kilometers of ground zero, some entire bodies were vaporized or their bones turned to charcoal by the intense heat—briefly as hot as the center of the sun—while soft organs boiled away. The blast added a new wave of injuries from flying glass, stones, and wood, even from grass. Tsutomu Yamaguchi was horrified by the sight of five shivering boys: “Blood was pouring in streams from deep cuts all over their bodies, mingling with their perspiration, and their skin was burned deep red, like the colour of cooked lobsters. At first it seemed, strangely, that their burned and lacerated backs and chests were growing green grass! Then I saw that hundreds of blades of sharp grass had been driven deep into their flesh . . . by the force of the blast.” The stories of those who survived mirror this horror. Many of those injured in the initial flash and blast were too weak to escape the firestorm and were carbonized by the flames like the crowds in Tokyo. For those further from the hypocenter, there was the dreadful sight of victims staggering away from the fire. Nakamura Setsuko was a thirteen-year-old schoolgirl, rescued from a collapsed building by a soldier while her classmates burned to death. She joined a trail of “ghostly figures” making for the hills: “They did not look like human beings. Their hair stood straight up; their clothes were tattered or they were naked. All were bleeding, burned, blackened, and swollen. Parts of their bodies were missing, flesh and skin hanging from their bones, some with eyeballs hanging in their hands, and some with their stomachs burst open, their intestines hanging out.” Setsuko’s sister and niece were burnt to a cinder, one aunt and two cousins were found as skeletons, and her uncle and his wife died ten days later, their bodies covered in purple patches, their internal organs dissolving.”
 
the best place to be is no where near a nuclear bomb, the second best place is pbly the epicentre, u wouldnt know what hit u, instant vapourisation, gone.

a nuclear winter would be horrible for the world, theres no way pak or ind would fire one nuclear war head at each other. but i honestly dont think either country would ever use them, however if pak did in a existential crisis, and india replied, both countries would be completely destroyed from the fallout of the radiation. i think global temperatures would fall 3 to 4 degrees, ud have thick smog engulfing the earth for years, crops would fail, people would starve all over the world.

its a truly cataclysmic thought.
 
US averted likely Pak-India nuclear war, says Trump

US President Donald Trump has said Washington had averted what could have been a nuclear war between Pakistan and India.

The military confrontation between India and Pakistan came as the former blamed Islamabad for an attack in occupied Kashmir’s Pahalgam. On the night of May 6-7, New Delhi launched a series of air strikes in Punjab and Azad Kashmir, resulting in civilian casualties. Islamabad responded by downing five Indian jets.

After intercepting drones sent by India and ***-for-tat strikes on each other’s airbases, it took American intervention for both sides to finally drop their guns. On May 10, when tensions between the two countries peaked, Trump announced that a ceasefire had been reached between India and Pakistan.

“The situation had escalated to the point where nuclear war could have broken out,” Trump said in an interview with US outlet Fox News on Friday.

Responding to a question about getting both countries to step back from the brink of war, Trump called it a “bigger success than I will ever be given credit for”.

“Those are major nuclear powers […] and they were angry. […] It was ***-for-tat, it was getting deeper and more missiles,” he said. He added the next step would have been “the N-word”, responding in the affirmative to the host confirming he meant “nuclear”.

“That’s the worst thing that can happen,” Trump noted. Referring to discussions he said he had with both Pakistan and India on trade, the US president said: “I’m using trade to settle scores and make peace.”

Trump said that he had great conversations with Pakistan. “You know we can’t forget them because it takes two to tango.”

“So proud of what we’re able to do with India and with Pakistan,” the US president said.

He continued that Pakistan would love to trade with the US. “They are brilliant people. They make amazing products. We don’t do much trading with them.”

As the US imposed heavy levies on dozens of allies and rivals alike on April 2, Pakistan was hit by a 29 per cent tariff on goods it exports to the US. The government has said it is seeking ways to address the existing trade imbalance between the two countries.

On trade with New Delhi, Trump said that India was one of the highly tariffed nations, making it almost “impossible to do business”.

However, India is ready to cut 100pc of its tariffs for the US, he added. “That deal will come soon,” the president said.

On Thursday, he had stated that India had offered a trade deal that proposed “no tariffs” for American goods.

This interview was the third time in a week that the US president expressed his intention of deepening trade ties with Pakistan and India.

“We’re going to do a lot of trade with Pakistan … and India,” Trump said earlier this week, recalling that he warned both countries of “not doing any trade” if they did not stop fighting. A day after the ceasefire, he said he was going “to increase trade substantially with both of these great nations”.

The US-brokered ceasefire had brought a halt to a week of record escalation between Pakistan and India as the latter took a series of unprovoked military actions despite Islamabad’s call for a neutral probe into India’s allegations over the Pahalgam attack.

The military has confirmed that 13 security personnel, including members of the Pakistan Army and the Pakistan Air Force, were martyred while over 75 were injured during the confrontation with India.

It has also stated that 40 civilians — including seven women and 15 children — lost their lives during the Indian aggression, while 121 others sustained injuries.

UK urges all sides to ‘meet treaty obligations’ amid IWT suspension

Meanwhile, Britain is working with the US to ensure a ceasefire between India and Pakistan endures and that “confidence-building measures” and dialogue take place, according to its foreign minister David Lammy.

“We will continue to work with the United States to ensure that we get an enduring ceasefire, to ensure that dialogue is happening and to work through with Pakistan and India how we can get to confidence and confidence-building measures between the two sides,” Lammy told Reuters in Islamabad at the end of a two-day visit.

Asked about India’s April 23 suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty, potentially squeezing Pakistan’s water supply, Lammy said: “We would urge all sides to meet their treaty obligations.”

The Pakistan Commission on Indus Waters earlier this month shared a detailed report with the federal government about massive violations of the Indus Water Treaty (IWT) by New Delhi. Pakistan plans to launch international legal action against India over its move to hold the critical water-sharing agreement in abeyance.

Pakistan has said Britain and other countries, in addition to the United States, played a major role in de-escalating the fighting. Diplomats and analysts say the ceasefire remains fragile.

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