Resume of the 90's team vs Resume of the 2003 team onwards

[Savak]

90's team wins

- 1992 ODI WC win
- Beating England in England in 1992 and 1996
- Beating New Zealand in New Zealand in 1993, 1994 and 1995
- Being the last team to beat Australia in a test match in 1995
- Beating Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka 1994
- Beating Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe 1994
- Beating Australia in Pakistan in 1994 1-0
- Numerous Sharjah Cup Victories
- Sahara Cup Win against India in 1996 and 1998
- Carlton and United Tournament Victory in Australia featuring Australia and West Indies in 1996/97
- Beating West Indies in Pakistan 3-0 in 1997
- Beating South Africa in South Africa in a test match and drawing the series 1-1 in 1998
- Beating Zimbabwe in Pakistan 2-1 in ODI's in 1998
- Beating India in India test matches 2-1 in 1999
- Won Asian Test Championship final against Sri Lanka in 1999
- Winning the Tri Nation Tournament in India in 1999
- 1999 ODI WC Finalists
- Tri Series win in WI in 2000
- Winning the Asia Cup in 2000
- Beating England in ODI Series 2-1
- Drawing 1-1 against a relatively strong NZ team in NZ in 2001
- Drawing 1-1 against a relatively strong England team in England in 2001
- Beating Bangladesh 2-0 at home in 2001
- Beating Bangladesh in Bangladesh in 2001/2
- Beating West Indies in Sharjah 3-0 in 2002
- Beating NZ in Pakistan in ODIs 3-0 in 2002
- Beating Australia in ODI's in Australia 2-1 in 2002
- Beating Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe in 2002

90's teams failures

- Lost ODI Series against England 4-2 in 1992
- Lost the Benson Hedges world series final against West Indies in 1992
- Lost NZ ODI series against NZ in NZ i.e. 2-1 in 1992/93
- Lost WI ODI series 4-1 and test series 1-0 in WI in 1993
- Lost Sharjah Cup Final against WI in 1993
- Lost Tri Series against Australia in Final at home in 1994
- Lost Tri Series featuring Australia, Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in 1994
- Lost to Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe Test Match 1994
- Lost to South Africa Tri Series final and the South African Test Match in 1994/95
- Lost to Sri Lanka at home test series 2-1 and ODI series 2-1 in 1995
- Lost to Australia in Australia Test series 2-1 in 1995
- Drew 1-1 against New Zealand at home in 1996 (weak NZ team)
- Lost Sharjah Cup Final against Sri Lanka in 1997
- Lost Asia Cup in 1997
- Lost Sahara Cup against India (4-1) in 1997
- Lost to South Africa Test Matches 1-0 in Pakistan in 1997
- Lost Tri Nation featuring South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies at home in 1997
- Lost Sharjah Cup in 1997
- Lost Asia Cup in 1998
- Lost Tri Series featuring South Africa, Sri Lanka in South Africa 1998
- Lost to Australia 1-0 in test matches Pakistan and 3-0 in ODI's in 1998
- Lost to Zimbabwe 1-0 in test matches in Pakistan in 1998
- Lost ODI WC Final in 1999
- Lost Carlton and United Final against Australia in 1999/2000
- Lost to Sri Lanka 3-0 in ODI's and 2-1 in Tests in Pakistan in 2000
- Lost 1-0 to West Indies in West Indies in 2000
- Lost Tri Series featuring South Africa, Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in 2000
- Lost Champions Trophy Semi Final against New Zealand in 2000
- Lost to England 1-0 in test series in Pakistan in 2000
- Lost 3-2 to New Zealand in ODI Series in New Zealand in 2001
- Lost Sharjah Cup Final in 2001
- Lost Natwest ODI series in final against Australia in 2001
- Lost Asian Test Championship Final against Sri Lanka in 2002
- Lost Morroco Cup featuring South Africa and Sri Lanka in 2002
- Lost ICC Champions Trophy in Sri Lanka in 2002
- Lost Test series against Australia in Sharjah 3-0 in 2002
- Lost ODI series 4-1 against South Africa and test series 2-0 in 2002/2003
- Disasterous ODI WC campaign in 2003


Post 2003 WC achievements

- Sharjah Cup Win in 2003
- Beating Bangladesh in Pakistan 3-0 and 5-0 in 2003
- Beating South Africa 1-0 in the test series in Pakistan in 2003
- Beating New Zealand 1-0 in test series in New Zealand in 2003/04
- Drew 1-1 against India in India in 2005
- Won 3-0 against West Indies in ODI's in West Indies in 2005
- Won 2-0 and 3-2 against England in Pakistan in 2005
- Won 1-0 against India in Pakistan in 2006
- Won 2-1 and 1-0 against Sri Lanka in 2006
- Won 2-0 and 4-1 against West Indies in 2006-07
- Beating South Africa in South Africa in a test match but losing the test series 2-1 and ODI series 4-1 in 2007
- Beating Sri Lanka in UAE 2-1 in 2007
- T-20 WC Finalist 2007
- Beat Bangladesh 5-0 at home in 2008
- Beat Zimbabwe 5-0 at home in 2008
- Kitply Cup victory against India in final in 2008
- T-20 WC Winners 2009
- Beat NZ in NZ 1-0 in test matches and 3-2 in ODI's in 2011
- Beat WI in WI 3-2 in ODI's in 2011
- Beat Zimbabwe 2-0 in test matches and 5-0 in ODI's in 2011
- Beat Sri Lanka in UAE 1-0 test series, 4-1 ODI series and 3-0 in T-20's
- Beat Bangladesh in Test Series in Bangladesh 2-0, ODI Series 3-0 in 2011/12
- Beat England in UAE 3-0 test series in 2012
- Beat Australia in UAE T-20 Series 2-1 in 2012
- Beat India in ODI series in India 2-1 in 2013
- Beat South Africa in T-20 series in South Africa 1-0 in 2013
- Beat Ireland and Scotland in ODI Series in 2013
- Beat West Indies 4-1 in ODI series and 4-1 in T-20 Series in 2013
- Beat South Africa 2-1 in ODI Series in South Africa in 2013
- Beat Sri Lanka 3-2 in ODI Series in UAE in 2013
- Beat Australia 2-0 in Test Series in UAE in 2014
- Beat Bangladesh 1-in Test Series in Bangladesh in 2014
- Beat Sri Lanka 2-1 in Test Series in Sri Lanka in 2015
- Beat Sri Lanka 3-2 in ODI Series in Sri Lanka in 2015 and 2-0 in T-20 in 2015
- Beat England 2-0 in Test Series in UAE in 2015
- Drew against England in England 2-2 in Test Series in 2016
- Beat England in T-20 game in England in 2016
- Beat West Indies 3-0 in T-20 Series, 3-0 in ODI Series and 2-1 in Test Series in UAE in 2016
- Beat West Indies 4-1 in T-20 Series, 2-1 in ODI Series and 2-1 in Test Series in West Indies in 2017
- ODI ICC Champions Trophy Win against India in Final in 2017
- Beat Sri Lanka in ODI and T-20's in 2017 in UAE and Pakistan
- Beat New Zealand in T-20's in 2017/2018 in New Zealand 2-1
- Beat Scotland in T-20's in 2018
- Beat Australia 1-0 in Test Matches in UAE and 3-0 in T-20's in 2018
- Beat New Zealand 3-0 in T-20's in UAE in 2018
- Beat Sri Lanka 2-0 in ODI's in Pakistan in 2019
- Loss to Australia 2-0 in Test Series in Australia in 2019
- Beat Sri Lanka in Pakistan in Test Series 1-0 in 2020
- Beat Bangladesh in Pakistan T-20 (3-0), ODI (3-0) and Test Series (1-0) in 2020
- Beat Zimbabwe in Pakistan ODI's (4-1), T-20 (3-0) in 2020
- Beat South Africa in Pakistan in Test Series (2-0) and T-20 Series (2-1) in 2021
- Beat Bangladesh in T-20 Series (3-0) and Test Series (2-0) in 2021/2022
- Beat Australia in ODI Series (2-1) in 2022
- Beat Neatherlands in ODI Series (3-0) in 2022
- ICC T-20 WC Finalists in 2022
- Beat New Zealand 3-1 in ODI Series in Pakistan in 2023
- Beat Sri Lanka 2-0 in Test Series in 2023 in Sri Lanka
- Beat England 2-1 in Test Series in 2024 in Pakistan
- Beat Australia 2-1 in ODI Series in 2024 in Australia
- Beating South Africa 3-0 in ODI Series in 2024 in South Africa

Post 2003 WC failures

- Lost Tri Series final against NZ in 2003 in Sri Lanka
- Lost ODI series 2-1 against England in 2003 in England
- Lost ODI series 3-2 against South Africa in 2003 in Pakistan
- Lost ODI series 3-2 against New Zealand in 2004 in New Zealand
- Lost ODI series 3-2 against India and Test series 2-1 against India in Pakistan in 2004
- Lost ODI Asia Cup in 2004
- Lost Tri Series Final against Australia in Holland in 2004
- Lost Tri Series Final against Sri Lanka in Pakistan in 2004
- Drew 1-1 against Sri Lanka Test series in 2004
- Lost 3-0 against Australia in test series in Australia in 2004
- Lost VB Series final against Australia in 2004
- Drew 1-1 against West Indies in Test Matches in West Indies in 2005
- Lost 4-1 against India in Pakistan ODI series in 2006
- Lost Test series against England 3-0 in 2006 and drew ODI series 3-3 in 2006 in England
- Lost Test series against South Africa 2-1 in 2006/07 and ODI series 4-1 in South Africa
- Lost Test series against South Africa 1-0 in 2007 and ODI series 3-2 in Pakistan
- Lost ODI series against India (3-2) and test series (1-0) in India in 2007
- Lost against Sri Lanka in ODI series (2-1) in 2008 in Pakistan and drew test series
- Lost against Australia in ODI Series (3-2) in 2009 in UAE
- Lost against Sri Lanka in Test Series (2-0) in Sri Lanka and ODI Series (3-2)
- ICC ODI Champions Trophy Semi Final Knock out in 2009
- Lost 2-1 against New Zealand in ODI's in UAE in 2009
- Lost 3-0 against Australia in Test Series in Australia in 2009
- Drew 1-1 against New Zealand in Test Series in 2010
- Lost 5-0 in ODI series against Australia and 1-0 in T20's against Australia in Australia in 2010
- Lost 3-1 against England in England in Test Series and 3-2 in ODI series in 2011
- Lost 3-2 against South Africa in ODI Series in UAE in 2011 and drew 0-0 in test series
- ODI WC Semi Finalists in 2011
- Drew 1-1 against West Indies in Test Series in 2011 in West Indies
- Lost 5-0 against England in ODI series in UAE in 2012
- Lost T20 Series, ODI series and Test series against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in 2012
- Lost ODI Series against Australia in UAE 2-1
- T20 WC Semi Finalists in 2012
- Drew 1-1 in T-20 series against India in India in 2013
- Lost Test Series against South Africa in South Africa 3-0 in 2013 and ODI Series 3-2
- Disasterous ICC Champions Trophy campaign in 2013
- Drew 1-1 against South Africa in UAE Test Series in 2013
- Lost ODI Series 3-2 against South Africa in UAE and T-20 Series in UAE in 2013
- Drew 1-1 against Sri Lanka in UAE in test series in 2013/14
- Lost to Sri Lanka in ODI Asia Cup final
- Failed T-20 WC Campaign in 2014
- Lost Test Series against Sri Lanka 2-0 in Sri Lanka and ODI Series 2-1 against Sri Lanka in 2014
- Lost ODI Series and T-20 Series against Australia 3-2 in UAE in 2014
- Drew 1-1 against New Zealand in test series in UAE in 2014
- Lost 3-2 against New Zealand in ODI series in UAE in 2014
- Lost 2-1 against New Zealand in ODI series in New Zealand in 2015
- Poor ODI WC Campaign in 2015
- Lost to Bangladesh 3-0 in ODI Series and 1-0 in T-20 Series in Bangladesh in 2015
- Lost to England in ODI Series 4-1 and T-20 Series in UAE in 2015
- Disasterous Asia Cup T-20 Campaign in 2016
- Disasterous ICC T-20 WC Campaign in 2016
- Lost to England in ODI Series 4-1 in England in 2016
- Lost to New Zealand in Test Series in New Zealand 2-0
- Lost to Australia in Test Series in Australia 3-0 in and ODI Series 4-1 in 2016/17
- Loss to Sri Lanka in Test Series in UAE 2-0 in 2017
- Loss to New Zealand in ODI Series in New Zealand 5-0 in 2017
- Disasterous Asia Cup ODI Campaign in 2018
- Loss to New Zealand in Test series in UAE 2-1 in 2018
- Loss to South Africa in Test Series in South Africa 3-0, ODI Series 3-2 and T-20 Series 2-1 in 2019
- Loss to Australia 5-0 in ODI Series in UAE in 2019
- Loss to England 5-0 in ODI Series in England in 2019
- Poor ODI WC Campaign in 2019
- Loss to Sri Lanka in T-20 series in Pakistan 3-0 in 2019
- Loss to Australia in T-20 series in Australia 2-0 in 2019
- Loss to England in Test Series in 2020 in England (1-0)
- Drew 1-1 in the T-20 Series against England in 2020
- Lost T-20 Series against New Zealand in New Zealand in 2021 (2-1)
- Lost Test Series against New Zealand in New Zealand in 2021 (2-0)
- Lost ODI Series against England in England in 2021 (3-0) and T-20 Series (2-1) in 2021
- T-20 WC Semi Final Knockout in 2021
- Lost to Australia in Pakistan Test Series (1-0) in 2022
- Loss to Australia in T20 Series in 2022
- Drew 1-1 against Sri Lanka in Test Series in 2022
- Asia Cup T-20 Final defeat in 2022
- Lost 3-0 to England in Test Series in Pakistan in 2022
- Drew 0-0 to New Zealand in Test Series in Pakistan in 2022/2023
- Lost 2-1 to New Zealand in ODI Series in Pakistan in 2023
- Lost to Afghanistan 2-1 in T20 Series in UAE in 2023
- Drew 2-2 to New Zealand in T-20 Series in Pakistan in 2023
- Failed Asia Cup ODI Campaign in 2023
- Poor ODI WC 2023 Campaign
- Lost to Australia 3-0 in Test Series in Australia in 2023
- Lost 4-1 to New Zealand in T-20's in New Zealand in 2024
- Disasterous T-20 WC Campaign in USA in 2024
- Losing 2-0 to Bangladesh in Test Series in Pakistan in 2024
- Losing 3-0 to Australia in T-20 Series in Australia in 2024
- Losing 2-0 to South Africa in T-20 Series in South Africa in 2024
- Losing 2-0 to South Africa in Test Series in South Africa in 2024/2025
- Drawing 1-1 to West Indies in Test Series in Pakistan in 2025
- Losing Tri Series Final to New Zealand in Pakistan in 2025
- Disasterous ICC Champions Trophy Campaign in Pakistan/UAE in 2025


This is a comprehensive list of success and failures of the 90's team vs the post 90's team. Which team has had the better successes and worst failures overall? Is there any truth to what Mohammad Hafeez is saying in the media regarding the 90's team?

 

[uppercut]

But there is one and only one thing that is constant whether 90's, 00's, 10's or 20s' .... losing to India in big matches and getting evicted from Worldcups.

 

[Major]

Lol its funny how bilaterial series had to be listed.

The debate ends at icc tournaments. Simple.

And this 90s argument does not involve imran, because everyone knows the world cup was won cause of Imran. It was his mission and efforts.

 

[Rana]

Lol its funny how bilaterial series had to be listed.

The debate ends at icc tournaments. Simple.

And this 90s argument does not involve imran, because everyone knows the world cup was won cause of Imran. It was his mission and efforts.

Yeah Pakistan bottled 2 of them because of Misbah and 3 more because of Misbah’s puttar Rizwan

 

[RyanRyan10]

Lol its funny how bilaterial series had to be listed.

The debate ends at icc tournaments. Simple.

And this 90s argument does not involve imran, because everyone knows the world cup was won cause of Imran. It was his mission and efforts.

Wasim and Inzamam, who won Pak the SF and the final, should not get any credit for the 1992 WC victory?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Great work Savak for compiling the lists

 

[kron]

Lol its funny how bilaterial series had to be listed.

The debate ends at icc tournaments. Simple.

And this 90s argument does not involve imran, because everyone knows the world cup was won cause of Imran. It was his mission and efforts.

Almost like a non toxic venom post in terms of quality

I agree
Also 90s team don’t get to play t20
So seriously

Not a great comparison.

 

[jnaveen1980]

wow for the effort from the OP

 

[Hitman]

Great work, @Savak .

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

90's team wins

- 1992 ODI WC win
- Beating England in England in 1992 and 1996
- Beating New Zealand in New Zealand in 1993, 1994 and 1995
- Being the last team to beat Australia in a test match in 1995
- Beating Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka 1994
- Beating Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe 1994
- Beating Australia in Pakistan in 1994 1-0
- Numerous Sharjah Cup Victories
- Sahara Cup Win against India in 1996 and 1998
- Carlton and United Tournament Victory in Australia featuring Australia and West Indies in 1996/97
- Beating West Indies in Pakistan 3-0 in 1997
- Beating South Africa in South Africa in a test match and drawing the series 1-1 in 1998
- Beating Zimbabwe in Pakistan 2-1 in ODI's in 1998
- Beating India in India test matches 2-1 in 1999
- Won Asian Test Championship final against Sri Lanka in 1999
- Winning the Tri Nation Tournament in India in 1999
- 1999 ODI WC Finalists
- Tri Series win in WI in 2000
- Winning the Asia Cup in 2000
- Beating England in ODI Series 2-1
- Drawing 1-1 against a relatively strong NZ team in NZ in 2001
- Drawing 1-1 against a relatively strong England team in England in 2001
- Beating Bangladesh 2-0 at home in 2001
- Beating Bangladesh in Bangladesh in 2001/2
- Beating West Indies in Sharjah 3-0 in 2002
- Beating NZ in Pakistan in ODIs 3-0 in 2002
- Beating Australia in ODI's in Australia 2-1 in 2002
- Beating Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe in 2002

90's teams failures

- Lost ODI Series against England 4-2 in 1992
- Lost the Benson Hedges world series final against West Indies in 1992
- Lost NZ ODI series against NZ in NZ i.e. 2-1 in 1992/93
- Lost WI ODI series 4-1 and test series 1-0 in WI in 1993
- Lost Sharjah Cup Final against WI in 1993
- Lost Tri Series against Australia in Final at home in 1994
- Lost Tri Series featuring Australia, Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in 1994
- Lost to Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe Test Match 1994
- Lost to South Africa Tri Series final and the South African Test Match in 1994/95
- Lost to Sri Lanka at home test series 2-1 and ODI series 2-1 in 1995
- Lost to Australia in Australia Test series 2-1 in 1995
- Drew 1-1 against New Zealand at home in 1996 (weak NZ team)
- Lost Sharjah Cup Final against Sri Lanka in 1997
- Lost Asia Cup in 1997
- Lost Sahara Cup against India (4-1) in 1997
- Lost to South Africa Test Matches 1-0 in Pakistan in 1997
- Lost Tri Nation featuring South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies at home in 1997
- Lost Sharjah Cup in 1997
- Lost Asia Cup in 1998
- Lost Tri Series featuring South Africa, Sri Lanka in South Africa 1998
- Lost to Australia 1-0 in test matches Pakistan and 3-0 in ODI's in 1998
- Lost to Zimbabwe 1-0 in test matches in Pakistan in 1998
- Lost ODI WC Final in 1999
- Lost Carlton and United Final against Australia in 1999/2000
- Lost to Sri Lanka 3-0 in ODI's and 2-1 in Tests in Pakistan in 2000
- Lost 1-0 to West Indies in West Indies in 2000
- Lost Tri Series featuring South Africa, Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in 2000
- Lost Champions Trophy Semi Final against New Zealand in 2000
- Lost to England 1-0 in test series in Pakistan in 2000
- Lost 3-2 to New Zealand in ODI Series in New Zealand in 2001
- Lost Sharjah Cup Final in 2001
- Lost Natwest ODI series in final against Australia in 2001
- Lost Asian Test Championship Final against Sri Lanka in 2002
- Lost Morroco Cup featuring South Africa and Sri Lanka in 2002
- Lost ICC Champions Trophy in Sri Lanka in 2002
- Lost Test series against Australia in Sharjah 3-0 in 2002
- Lost ODI series 4-1 against South Africa and test series 2-0 in 2002/2003
- Disasterous ODI WC campaign in 2003


Post 2003 WC achievements

- Sharjah Cup Win in 2003
- Beating Bangladesh in Pakistan 3-0 and 5-0 in 2003
- Beating South Africa 1-0 in the test series in Pakistan in 2003
- Beating New Zealand 1-0 in test series in New Zealand in 2003/04
- Drew 1-1 against India in India in 2005
- Won 3-0 against West Indies in ODI's in West Indies in 2005
- Won 2-0 and 3-2 against England in Pakistan in 2005
- Won 1-0 against India in Pakistan in 2006
- Won 2-1 and 1-0 against Sri Lanka in 2006
- Won 2-0 and 4-1 against West Indies in 2006-07
- Beating South Africa in South Africa in a test match but losing the test series 2-1 and ODI series 4-1 in 2007
- Beating Sri Lanka in UAE 2-1 in 2007
- T-20 WC Finalist 2007
- Beat Bangladesh 5-0 at home in 2008
- Beat Zimbabwe 5-0 at home in 2008
- Kitply Cup victory against India in final in 2008
- T-20 WC Winners 2009
- Beat NZ in NZ 1-0 in test matches and 3-2 in ODI's in 2011
- Beat WI in WI 3-2 in ODI's in 2011
- Beat Zimbabwe 2-0 in test matches and 5-0 in ODI's in 2011
- Beat Sri Lanka in UAE 1-0 test series, 4-1 ODI series and 3-0 in T-20's
- Beat Bangladesh in Test Series in Bangladesh 2-0, ODI Series 3-0 in 2011/12
- Beat England in UAE 3-0 test series in 2012
- Beat Australia in UAE T-20 Series 2-1 in 2012
- Beat India in ODI series in India 2-1 in 2013
- Beat South Africa in T-20 series in South Africa 1-0 in 2013
- Beat Ireland and Scotland in ODI Series in 2013
- Beat West Indies 4-1 in ODI series and 4-1 in T-20 Series in 2013
- Beat South Africa 2-1 in ODI Series in South Africa in 2013
- Beat Sri Lanka 3-2 in ODI Series in UAE in 2013
- Beat Australia 2-0 in Test Series in UAE in 2014
- Beat Bangladesh 1-in Test Series in Bangladesh in 2014
- Beat Sri Lanka 2-1 in Test Series in Sri Lanka in 2015
- Beat Sri Lanka 3-2 in ODI Series in Sri Lanka in 2015 and 2-0 in T-20 in 2015
- Beat England 2-0 in Test Series in UAE in 2015
- Drew against England in England 2-2 in Test Series in 2016
- Beat England in T-20 game in England in 2016
- Beat West Indies 3-0 in T-20 Series, 3-0 in ODI Series and 2-1 in Test Series in UAE in 2016
- Beat West Indies 4-1 in T-20 Series, 2-1 in ODI Series and 2-1 in Test Series in West Indies in 2017
- ODI ICC Champions Trophy Win against India in Final in 2017
- Beat Sri Lanka in ODI and T-20's in 2017 in UAE and Pakistan
- Beat New Zealand in T-20's in 2017/2018 in New Zealand 2-1
- Beat Scotland in T-20's in 2018
- Beat Australia 1-0 in Test Matches in UAE and 3-0 in T-20's in 2018
- Beat New Zealand 3-0 in T-20's in UAE in 2018
- Beat Sri Lanka 2-0 in ODI's in Pakistan in 2019
- Loss to Australia 2-0 in Test Series in Australia in 2019
- Beat Sri Lanka in Pakistan in Test Series 1-0 in 2020
- Beat Bangladesh in Pakistan T-20 (3-0), ODI (3-0) and Test Series (1-0) in 2020
- Beat Zimbabwe in Pakistan ODI's (4-1), T-20 (3-0) in 2020
- Beat South Africa in Pakistan in Test Series (2-0) and T-20 Series (2-1) in 2021
- Beat Bangladesh in T-20 Series (3-0) and Test Series (2-0) in 2021/2022
- Beat Australia in ODI Series (2-1) in 2022
- Beat Neatherlands in ODI Series (3-0) in 2022
- ICC T-20 WC Finalists in 2022
- Beat New Zealand 3-1 in ODI Series in Pakistan in 2023
- Beat Sri Lanka 2-0 in Test Series in 2023 in Sri Lanka
- Beat England 2-1 in Test Series in 2024 in Pakistan
- Beat Australia 2-1 in ODI Series in 2024 in Australia
- Beating South Africa 3-0 in ODI Series in 2024 in South Africa

Post 2003 WC failures

- Lost Tri Series final against NZ in 2003 in Sri Lanka
- Lost ODI series 2-1 against England in 2003 in England
- Lost ODI series 3-2 against South Africa in 2003 in Pakistan
- Lost ODI series 3-2 against New Zealand in 2004 in New Zealand
- Lost ODI series 3-2 against India and Test series 2-1 against India in Pakistan in 2004
- Lost ODI Asia Cup in 2004
- Lost Tri Series Final against Australia in Holland in 2004
- Lost Tri Series Final against Sri Lanka in Pakistan in 2004
- Drew 1-1 against Sri Lanka Test series in 2004
- Lost 3-0 against Australia in test series in Australia in 2004
- Lost VB Series final against Australia in 2004
- Drew 1-1 against West Indies in Test Matches in West Indies in 2005
- Lost 4-1 against India in Pakistan ODI series in 2006
- Lost Test series against England 3-0 in 2006 and drew ODI series 3-3 in 2006 in England
- Lost Test series against South Africa 2-1 in 2006/07 and ODI series 4-1 in South Africa
- Lost Test series against South Africa 1-0 in 2007 and ODI series 3-2 in Pakistan
- Lost ODI series against India (3-2) and test series (1-0) in India in 2007
- Lost against Sri Lanka in ODI series (2-1) in 2008 in Pakistan and drew test series
- Lost against Australia in ODI Series (3-2) in 2009 in UAE
- Lost against Sri Lanka in Test Series (2-0) in Sri Lanka and ODI Series (3-2)
- ICC ODI Champions Trophy Semi Final Knock out in 2009
- Lost 2-1 against New Zealand in ODI's in UAE in 2009
- Lost 3-0 against Australia in Test Series in Australia in 2009
- Drew 1-1 against New Zealand in Test Series in 2010
- Lost 5-0 in ODI series against Australia and 1-0 in T20's against Australia in Australia in 2010
- Lost 3-1 against England in England in Test Series and 3-2 in ODI series in 2011
- Lost 3-2 against South Africa in ODI Series in UAE in 2011 and drew 0-0 in test series
- ODI WC Semi Finalists in 2011
- Drew 1-1 against West Indies in Test Series in 2011 in West Indies
- Lost 5-0 against England in ODI series in UAE in 2012
- Lost T20 Series, ODI series and Test series against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in 2012
- Lost ODI Series against Australia in UAE 2-1
- T20 WC Semi Finalists in 2012
- Drew 1-1 in T-20 series against India in India in 2013
- Lost Test Series against South Africa in South Africa 3-0 in 2013 and ODI Series 3-2
- Disasterous ICC Champions Trophy campaign in 2013
- Drew 1-1 against South Africa in UAE Test Series in 2013
- Lost ODI Series 3-2 against South Africa in UAE and T-20 Series in UAE in 2013
- Drew 1-1 against Sri Lanka in UAE in test series in 2013/14
- Lost to Sri Lanka in ODI Asia Cup final
- Failed T-20 WC Campaign in 2014
- Lost Test Series against Sri Lanka 2-0 in Sri Lanka and ODI Series 2-1 against Sri Lanka in 2014
- Lost ODI Series and T-20 Series against Australia 3-2 in UAE in 2014
- Drew 1-1 against New Zealand in test series in UAE in 2014
- Lost 3-2 against New Zealand in ODI series in UAE in 2014
- Lost 2-1 against New Zealand in ODI series in New Zealand in 2015
- Poor ODI WC Campaign in 2015
- Lost to Bangladesh 3-0 in ODI Series and 1-0 in T-20 Series in Bangladesh in 2015
- Lost to England in ODI Series 4-1 and T-20 Series in UAE in 2015
- Disasterous Asia Cup T-20 Campaign in 2016
- Disasterous ICC T-20 WC Campaign in 2016
- Lost to England in ODI Series 4-1 in England in 2016
- Lost to New Zealand in Test Series in New Zealand 2-0
- Lost to Australia in Test Series in Australia 3-0 in and ODI Series 4-1 in 2016/17
- Loss to Sri Lanka in Test Series in UAE 2-0 in 2017
- Loss to New Zealand in ODI Series in New Zealand 5-0 in 2017
- Disasterous Asia Cup ODI Campaign in 2018
- Loss to New Zealand in Test series in UAE 2-1 in 2018
- Loss to South Africa in Test Series in South Africa 3-0, ODI Series 3-2 and T-20 Series 2-1 in 2019
- Loss to Australia 5-0 in ODI Series in UAE in 2019
- Loss to England 5-0 in ODI Series in England in 2019
- Poor ODI WC Campaign in 2019
- Loss to Sri Lanka in T-20 series in Pakistan 3-0 in 2019
- Loss to Australia in T-20 series in Australia 2-0 in 2019
- Loss to England in Test Series in 2020 in England (1-0)
- Drew 1-1 in the T-20 Series against England in 2020
- Lost T-20 Series against New Zealand in New Zealand in 2021 (2-1)
- Lost Test Series against New Zealand in New Zealand in 2021 (2-0)
- Lost ODI Series against England in England in 2021 (3-0) and T-20 Series (2-1) in 2021
- T-20 WC Semi Final Knockout in 2021
- Lost to Australia in Pakistan Test Series (1-0) in 2022
- Loss to Australia in T20 Series in 2022
- Drew 1-1 against Sri Lanka in Test Series in 2022
- Asia Cup T-20 Final defeat in 2022
- Lost 3-0 to England in Test Series in Pakistan in 2022
- Drew 0-0 to New Zealand in Test Series in Pakistan in 2022/2023
- Lost 2-1 to New Zealand in ODI Series in Pakistan in 2023
- Lost to Afghanistan 2-1 in T20 Series in UAE in 2023
- Drew 2-2 to New Zealand in T-20 Series in Pakistan in 2023
- Failed Asia Cup ODI Campaign in 2023
- Poor ODI WC 2023 Campaign
- Lost to Australia 3-0 in Test Series in Australia in 2023
- Lost 4-1 to New Zealand in T-20's in New Zealand in 2024
- Disasterous T-20 WC Campaign in USA in 2024
- Losing 2-0 to Bangladesh in Test Series in Pakistan in 2024
- Losing 3-0 to Australia in T-20 Series in Australia in 2024
- Losing 2-0 to South Africa in T-20 Series in South Africa in 2024
- Losing 2-0 to South Africa in Test Series in South Africa in 2024/2025
- Drawing 1-1 to West Indies in Test Series in Pakistan in 2025
- Losing Tri Series Final to New Zealand in Pakistan in 2025
- Disasterous ICC Champions Trophy Campaign in Pakistan/UAE in 2025


This is a comprehensive list of success and failures of the 90's team vs the post 90's team. Which team has had the better successes and worst failures overall? Is there any truth to what Mohammad Hafeez is saying in the media regarding the 90's team?

Amazing effort !
But I feel its incomplete without mention of match fixing/spot fixing, bottle caps and failed drug tests scandals.
They can be put down under Extra-Curricular Activities section of the Resume.

 

[Major]

Almost like a non toxic venom post in terms of quality

I agree
Also 90s team don’t get to play t20
So seriously

Not a great comparison.

well they did play a weak india side in worlds cup didnt they, and yet they lost to them

 

[batandballbattle]

Fantastic work to collate all of this. Makes for a great reference.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

90's team wins

- 1992 ODI WC win
- Beating England in England in 1992 and 1996
- Beating New Zealand in New Zealand in 1993, 1994 and 1995
- Being the last team to beat Australia in a test match in 1995
- Beating Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka 1994
- Beating Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe 1994
- Beating Australia in Pakistan in 1994 1-0
- Numerous Sharjah Cup Victories
- Sahara Cup Win against India in 1996 and 1998
- Carlton and United Tournament Victory in Australia featuring Australia and West Indies in 1996/97
- Beating West Indies in Pakistan 3-0 in 1997
- Beating South Africa in South Africa in a test match and drawing the series 1-1 in 1998
- Beating Zimbabwe in Pakistan 2-1 in ODI's in 1998
- Beating India in India test matches 2-1 in 1999
- Won Asian Test Championship final against Sri Lanka in 1999
- Winning the Tri Nation Tournament in India in 1999
- 1999 ODI WC Finalists
- Tri Series win in WI in 2000
- Winning the Asia Cup in 2000
- Beating England in ODI Series 2-1
- Drawing 1-1 against a relatively strong NZ team in NZ in 2001
- Drawing 1-1 against a relatively strong England team in England in 2001
- Beating Bangladesh 2-0 at home in 2001
- Beating Bangladesh in Bangladesh in 2001/2
- Beating West Indies in Sharjah 3-0 in 2002
- Beating NZ in Pakistan in ODIs 3-0 in 2002
- Beating Australia in ODI's in Australia 2-1 in 2002
- Beating Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe in 2002

90's teams failures

- Lost ODI Series against England 4-2 in 1992
- Lost the Benson Hedges world series final against West Indies in 1992
- Lost NZ ODI series against NZ in NZ i.e. 2-1 in 1992/93
- Lost WI ODI series 4-1 and test series 1-0 in WI in 1993
- Lost Sharjah Cup Final against WI in 1993
- Lost Tri Series against Australia in Final at home in 1994
- Lost Tri Series featuring Australia, Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in 1994
- Lost to Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe Test Match 1994
- Lost to South Africa Tri Series final and the South African Test Match in 1994/95
- Lost to Sri Lanka at home test series 2-1 and ODI series 2-1 in 1995
- Lost to Australia in Australia Test series 2-1 in 1995
- Drew 1-1 against New Zealand at home in 1996 (weak NZ team)
- Lost Sharjah Cup Final against Sri Lanka in 1997
- Lost Asia Cup in 1997
- Lost Sahara Cup against India (4-1) in 1997
- Lost to South Africa Test Matches 1-0 in Pakistan in 1997
- Lost Tri Nation featuring South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies at home in 1997
- Lost Sharjah Cup in 1997
- Lost Asia Cup in 1998
- Lost Tri Series featuring South Africa, Sri Lanka in South Africa 1998
- Lost to Australia 1-0 in test matches Pakistan and 3-0 in ODI's in 1998
- Lost to Zimbabwe 1-0 in test matches in Pakistan in 1998
- Lost ODI WC Final in 1999
- Lost Carlton and United Final against Australia in 1999/2000
- Lost to Sri Lanka 3-0 in ODI's and 2-1 in Tests in Pakistan in 2000
- Lost 1-0 to West Indies in West Indies in 2000
- Lost Tri Series featuring South Africa, Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in 2000
- Lost Champions Trophy Semi Final against New Zealand in 2000
- Lost to England 1-0 in test series in Pakistan in 2000
- Lost 3-2 to New Zealand in ODI Series in New Zealand in 2001
- Lost Sharjah Cup Final in 2001
- Lost Natwest ODI series in final against Australia in 2001
- Lost Asian Test Championship Final against Sri Lanka in 2002
- Lost Morroco Cup featuring South Africa and Sri Lanka in 2002
- Lost ICC Champions Trophy in Sri Lanka in 2002
- Lost Test series against Australia in Sharjah 3-0 in 2002
- Lost ODI series 4-1 against South Africa and test series 2-0 in 2002/2003
- Disasterous ODI WC campaign in 2003


Post 2003 WC achievements

- Sharjah Cup Win in 2003
- Beating Bangladesh in Pakistan 3-0 and 5-0 in 2003
- Beating South Africa 1-0 in the test series in Pakistan in 2003
- Beating New Zealand 1-0 in test series in New Zealand in 2003/04
- Drew 1-1 against India in India in 2005
- Won 3-0 against West Indies in ODI's in West Indies in 2005
- Won 2-0 and 3-2 against England in Pakistan in 2005
- Won 1-0 against India in Pakistan in 2006
- Won 2-1 and 1-0 against Sri Lanka in 2006
- Won 2-0 and 4-1 against West Indies in 2006-07
- Beating South Africa in South Africa in a test match but losing the test series 2-1 and ODI series 4-1 in 2007
- Beating Sri Lanka in UAE 2-1 in 2007
- T-20 WC Finalist 2007
- Beat Bangladesh 5-0 at home in 2008
- Beat Zimbabwe 5-0 at home in 2008
- Kitply Cup victory against India in final in 2008
- T-20 WC Winners 2009
- Beat NZ in NZ 1-0 in test matches and 3-2 in ODI's in 2011
- Beat WI in WI 3-2 in ODI's in 2011
- Beat Zimbabwe 2-0 in test matches and 5-0 in ODI's in 2011
- Beat Sri Lanka in UAE 1-0 test series, 4-1 ODI series and 3-0 in T-20's
- Beat Bangladesh in Test Series in Bangladesh 2-0, ODI Series 3-0 in 2011/12
- Beat England in UAE 3-0 test series in 2012
- Beat Australia in UAE T-20 Series 2-1 in 2012
- Beat India in ODI series in India 2-1 in 2013
- Beat South Africa in T-20 series in South Africa 1-0 in 2013
- Beat Ireland and Scotland in ODI Series in 2013
- Beat West Indies 4-1 in ODI series and 4-1 in T-20 Series in 2013
- Beat South Africa 2-1 in ODI Series in South Africa in 2013
- Beat Sri Lanka 3-2 in ODI Series in UAE in 2013
- Beat Australia 2-0 in Test Series in UAE in 2014
- Beat Bangladesh 1-in Test Series in Bangladesh in 2014
- Beat Sri Lanka 2-1 in Test Series in Sri Lanka in 2015
- Beat Sri Lanka 3-2 in ODI Series in Sri Lanka in 2015 and 2-0 in T-20 in 2015
- Beat England 2-0 in Test Series in UAE in 2015
- Drew against England in England 2-2 in Test Series in 2016
- Beat England in T-20 game in England in 2016
- Beat West Indies 3-0 in T-20 Series, 3-0 in ODI Series and 2-1 in Test Series in UAE in 2016
- Beat West Indies 4-1 in T-20 Series, 2-1 in ODI Series and 2-1 in Test Series in West Indies in 2017
- ODI ICC Champions Trophy Win against India in Final in 2017
- Beat Sri Lanka in ODI and T-20's in 2017 in UAE and Pakistan
- Beat New Zealand in T-20's in 2017/2018 in New Zealand 2-1
- Beat Scotland in T-20's in 2018
- Beat Australia 1-0 in Test Matches in UAE and 3-0 in T-20's in 2018
- Beat New Zealand 3-0 in T-20's in UAE in 2018
- Beat Sri Lanka 2-0 in ODI's in Pakistan in 2019
- Loss to Australia 2-0 in Test Series in Australia in 2019
- Beat Sri Lanka in Pakistan in Test Series 1-0 in 2020
- Beat Bangladesh in Pakistan T-20 (3-0), ODI (3-0) and Test Series (1-0) in 2020
- Beat Zimbabwe in Pakistan ODI's (4-1), T-20 (3-0) in 2020
- Beat South Africa in Pakistan in Test Series (2-0) and T-20 Series (2-1) in 2021
- Beat Bangladesh in T-20 Series (3-0) and Test Series (2-0) in 2021/2022
- Beat Australia in ODI Series (2-1) in 2022
- Beat Neatherlands in ODI Series (3-0) in 2022
- ICC T-20 WC Finalists in 2022
- Beat New Zealand 3-1 in ODI Series in Pakistan in 2023
- Beat Sri Lanka 2-0 in Test Series in 2023 in Sri Lanka
- Beat England 2-1 in Test Series in 2024 in Pakistan
- Beat Australia 2-1 in ODI Series in 2024 in Australia
- Beating South Africa 3-0 in ODI Series in 2024 in South Africa

Post 2003 WC failures

- Lost Tri Series final against NZ in 2003 in Sri Lanka
- Lost ODI series 2-1 against England in 2003 in England
- Lost ODI series 3-2 against South Africa in 2003 in Pakistan
- Lost ODI series 3-2 against New Zealand in 2004 in New Zealand
- Lost ODI series 3-2 against India and Test series 2-1 against India in Pakistan in 2004
- Lost ODI Asia Cup in 2004
- Lost Tri Series Final against Australia in Holland in 2004
- Lost Tri Series Final against Sri Lanka in Pakistan in 2004
- Drew 1-1 against Sri Lanka Test series in 2004
- Lost 3-0 against Australia in test series in Australia in 2004
- Lost VB Series final against Australia in 2004
- Drew 1-1 against West Indies in Test Matches in West Indies in 2005
- Lost 4-1 against India in Pakistan ODI series in 2006
- Lost Test series against England 3-0 in 2006 and drew ODI series 3-3 in 2006 in England
- Lost Test series against South Africa 2-1 in 2006/07 and ODI series 4-1 in South Africa
- Lost Test series against South Africa 1-0 in 2007 and ODI series 3-2 in Pakistan
- Lost ODI series against India (3-2) and test series (1-0) in India in 2007
- Lost against Sri Lanka in ODI series (2-1) in 2008 in Pakistan and drew test series
- Lost against Australia in ODI Series (3-2) in 2009 in UAE
- Lost against Sri Lanka in Test Series (2-0) in Sri Lanka and ODI Series (3-2)
- ICC ODI Champions Trophy Semi Final Knock out in 2009
- Lost 2-1 against New Zealand in ODI's in UAE in 2009
- Lost 3-0 against Australia in Test Series in Australia in 2009
- Drew 1-1 against New Zealand in Test Series in 2010
- Lost 5-0 in ODI series against Australia and 1-0 in T20's against Australia in Australia in 2010
- Lost 3-1 against England in England in Test Series and 3-2 in ODI series in 2011
- Lost 3-2 against South Africa in ODI Series in UAE in 2011 and drew 0-0 in test series
- ODI WC Semi Finalists in 2011
- Drew 1-1 against West Indies in Test Series in 2011 in West Indies
- Lost 5-0 against England in ODI series in UAE in 2012
- Lost T20 Series, ODI series and Test series against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in 2012
- Lost ODI Series against Australia in UAE 2-1
- T20 WC Semi Finalists in 2012
- Drew 1-1 in T-20 series against India in India in 2013
- Lost Test Series against South Africa in South Africa 3-0 in 2013 and ODI Series 3-2
- Disasterous ICC Champions Trophy campaign in 2013
- Drew 1-1 against South Africa in UAE Test Series in 2013
- Lost ODI Series 3-2 against South Africa in UAE and T-20 Series in UAE in 2013
- Drew 1-1 against Sri Lanka in UAE in test series in 2013/14
- Lost to Sri Lanka in ODI Asia Cup final
- Failed T-20 WC Campaign in 2014
- Lost Test Series against Sri Lanka 2-0 in Sri Lanka and ODI Series 2-1 against Sri Lanka in 2014
- Lost ODI Series and T-20 Series against Australia 3-2 in UAE in 2014
- Drew 1-1 against New Zealand in test series in UAE in 2014
- Lost 3-2 against New Zealand in ODI series in UAE in 2014
- Lost 2-1 against New Zealand in ODI series in New Zealand in 2015
- Poor ODI WC Campaign in 2015
- Lost to Bangladesh 3-0 in ODI Series and 1-0 in T-20 Series in Bangladesh in 2015
- Lost to England in ODI Series 4-1 and T-20 Series in UAE in 2015
- Disasterous Asia Cup T-20 Campaign in 2016
- Disasterous ICC T-20 WC Campaign in 2016
- Lost to England in ODI Series 4-1 in England in 2016
- Lost to New Zealand in Test Series in New Zealand 2-0
- Lost to Australia in Test Series in Australia 3-0 in and ODI Series 4-1 in 2016/17
- Loss to Sri Lanka in Test Series in UAE 2-0 in 2017
- Loss to New Zealand in ODI Series in New Zealand 5-0 in 2017
- Disasterous Asia Cup ODI Campaign in 2018
- Loss to New Zealand in Test series in UAE 2-1 in 2018
- Loss to South Africa in Test Series in South Africa 3-0, ODI Series 3-2 and T-20 Series 2-1 in 2019
- Loss to Australia 5-0 in ODI Series in UAE in 2019
- Loss to England 5-0 in ODI Series in England in 2019
- Poor ODI WC Campaign in 2019
- Loss to Sri Lanka in T-20 series in Pakistan 3-0 in 2019
- Loss to Australia in T-20 series in Australia 2-0 in 2019
- Loss to England in Test Series in 2020 in England (1-0)
- Drew 1-1 in the T-20 Series against England in 2020
- Lost T-20 Series against New Zealand in New Zealand in 2021 (2-1)
- Lost Test Series against New Zealand in New Zealand in 2021 (2-0)
- Lost ODI Series against England in England in 2021 (3-0) and T-20 Series (2-1) in 2021
- T-20 WC Semi Final Knockout in 2021
- Lost to Australia in Pakistan Test Series (1-0) in 2022
- Loss to Australia in T20 Series in 2022
- Drew 1-1 against Sri Lanka in Test Series in 2022
- Asia Cup T-20 Final defeat in 2022
- Lost 3-0 to England in Test Series in Pakistan in 2022
- Drew 0-0 to New Zealand in Test Series in Pakistan in 2022/2023
- Lost 2-1 to New Zealand in ODI Series in Pakistan in 2023
- Lost to Afghanistan 2-1 in T20 Series in UAE in 2023
- Drew 2-2 to New Zealand in T-20 Series in Pakistan in 2023
- Failed Asia Cup ODI Campaign in 2023
- Poor ODI WC 2023 Campaign
- Lost to Australia 3-0 in Test Series in Australia in 2023
- Lost 4-1 to New Zealand in T-20's in New Zealand in 2024
- Disasterous T-20 WC Campaign in USA in 2024
- Losing 2-0 to Bangladesh in Test Series in Pakistan in 2024
- Losing 3-0 to Australia in T-20 Series in Australia in 2024
- Losing 2-0 to South Africa in T-20 Series in South Africa in 2024
- Losing 2-0 to South Africa in Test Series in South Africa in 2024/2025
- Drawing 1-1 to West Indies in Test Series in Pakistan in 2025
- Losing Tri Series Final to New Zealand in Pakistan in 2025
- Disasterous ICC Champions Trophy Campaign in Pakistan/UAE in 2025


This is a comprehensive list of success and failures of the 90's team vs the post 90's team. Which team has had the better successes and worst failures overall? Is there any truth to what Mohammad Hafeez is saying in the media regarding the 90's team?

What's the point of all this?? How does it change the current situation of Pakistan? How will this always looking into the past make the team move forward and play modern cricket?

 

[Rana]

What's the point of all this?? How does it change the current situation of Pakistan? How will this always looking into the past make the team move forward and play modern cricket?

Might inspire PCB to hold camps

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Amazing effort !
But I feel its incomplete without mention of match fixing/spot fixing, bottle caps and failed drug tests scandals.
They can be put down under Extra-Curricular Activities section of the Resume.

The thread is about Pakistan in the 90s not India.

 

[kron]

well they did play a weak india side in worlds cup didnt they, and yet they lost to them

But they won the World Cup in the 90s?
I understand Pakistan won the champions trophy and t20 WC post 2003

But you can’t compare when 90s team never got exposed to t20 WC. 90s team with the quality they had may have been able to win a t20 WC too. It’s futile to make such comparisons.

And loss to India alone doesn’t matter unless India performs better overall in the relevant icc tournament compared to Pakistan.
ICC event doesn’t just revolve around India.

But I can see a case being made for better test performances definitely. Misbah helped Pakistan reach number 1 in tests. That’s unprecedented in Pakistan’s history. Red ball does hold more importance than white ball unless it’s about the world cups.

 

[Savak]

Waiting for Mohammad Hafeez to come and respond.

If the 90's team had been allowed to play T20 Cricket back then, I guarantee you they would have won 2 T20 WCs atleast

 

[sweep_shot]

This type of comparison is pointless because these are 2 different eras. Also, it was far more competitive in the 90's.

There were at least 8 heavyweight teams in the 90's and even teams like Kenya and Zimbabwe punched above their weights. It was a competitive period.

In present days, there are only 4-5 good teams. Winning against West Indies right now isn't same as winning against West Indies in the 90's, for example.

To answer OP's question, 90's team were better. It was a legendary Pakistani side.

 

[saimayubera]

This type of comparison is kind of pointless because these are 2 different eras. Also, it was far more competitive in the 90's.

There were at least 8 heavyweight teams in the 90's and even teams like Kenya and Zimbabwe punched above their weights. It was a competitive period.

In present days, there are only 4-5 good teams. Winning against West Indies right now isn't same as winning against West Indies in the 90's, for example.

To answer OP's question, 90's team were better. It was a legendary Pakistani side.

Naah there are heavyweight teams now too. Pak just isn't one of them. Kenya and Zimbabwe are replaced by Bang and Afg.

Winning against NZ, India and England in the 90s is not the same as winning against them right now.

 

[TheSultan]

Hafeez for someone who has built this reputation of being the “professor” is pretty out of touch with basic stuff.

1. He talks about ICC tournaments. Aside from the 1992 World Cup, there were only 1996 and 1999, one of which they got to the final. It’s not like nowadays where you have an ICC tournament every year. Even from 2007-11, there were no less than 6, yes SIX ICC tournaments! Surely a “professor” would know this before opening his mouth.
2. He talks about ICC victories “inspiring” a generation. What did 2009 inspire? The rebellion against Younis the same year? The 2009 debacle in Sydney? Banning your best two batsmen (Younis and Yousuf) in 2010? Spot fixing 2010? What did 2017 inspire? Haven’t seen anything great post 2017 either. And all of those heroes of 2017, pretty much have thrown their careers down the toilet since then maybe apart from Fakhar.

So what is this “professor” even on about?

 

[Farabi]

Hafeez for someone who has built this reputation of being the “professor” is pretty out of touch with basic stuff.

1. He talks about ICC tournaments. Aside from the 1992 World Cup, there were only 1996 and 1999, one of which they got to the final. It’s not like nowadays where you have an ICC tournament every year. Even from 2007-11, there were no less than 6, yes SIX ICC tournaments! Surely a “professor” would know this before opening his mouth.
2. He talks about ICC victories “inspiring” a generation. What did 2009 inspire? The rebellion against Younis the same year? The 2009 debacle in Sydney? Banning your best two batsmen (Younis and Yousuf) in 2010? Spot fixing 2010? What did 2017 inspire? Haven’t seen anything great post 2017 either. And all of those heroes of 2017, pretty much have thrown their careers down the toilet since then maybe apart from Fakhar.

So what is this “professor” even on about?

It’s a distraction and a waste of energy and time, and a specter of toxicity and mediocrity.
Having watched cricket since the late 90s, it’s laughable to even suggest a comparison.
Despite the lack of silverware, the Pakistani cricket team was world-class until then and middling after that.
They actually played a brand of cricket with aggressive Powerplay batting, positive intent, and intelligent planning and bowling.

 

[Usman Chadda]

It’s a distraction and a waste of energy and time, and a specter of toxicity and mediocrity.
Having watched cricket since the late 90s, it’s laughable to even suggest a comparison.
Despite the lack of silverware, the Pakistani cricket team was world-class until then and middling after that.
They actually played a brand of cricket with aggressive Powerplay batting, positive intent, and intelligent planning and bowling.

Hafeez is not wrong, 90s cricketers were skill-wise much more accomplished than the 2000s onwards generation yet they didn’t achieve much.

If @Savak has had to go through so much pain to prove why and how 90s cricketers were barely more successful, it basically proves Hafeez’s point that the 90s bunch under-achieved massively.

I have been watching cricket since the 90s too, and we got smashed by the two best teams of that generation consistently - Australia and South Africa.

I remember the Carlton and United Series in 99/2000, where we were literally helpless against a rampaging Australia. The same helplessness we feel when we face strong teams today.

 

[kron]

This type of comparison is pointless because these are 2 different eras. Also, it was far more competitive in the 90's.

There were at least 8 heavyweight teams in the 90's and even teams like Kenya and Zimbabwe punched above their weights. It was a competitive period.

In present days, there are only 4-5 good teams. Winning against West Indies right now isn't same as winning against West Indies in the 90's, for example.

To answer OP's question, 90's team were better. It was a legendary Pakistani side.

Wrong
Lmao stop perpetuating this myth that 90s had more heavyweight teams

They had max 3 great teams. Rest were mostly crap.

It’s much more competitive in modern era

But….. yes 90s team may have won more if they played t20 world cups. They may not. We don’t know. 90s team definitely achieved more regardless as they won the prizes odi World Cup

 

[kron]

Naah there are heavyweight teams now too. Pak just isn't one of them. Kenya and Zimbabwe are replaced by Bang and Afg.

Winning against NZ, India and England in the 90s is not the same as winning against them right now.

He is just saying that you know why?
To make his Pakistan team look better than they actually are. There are other teams apart from pakistan

India was a laughing stock in 90s. Only good at home

England were fodder
Straight cannon fodder
Nz were trash until bond came in late 90s they became more competitive atleast at home.

Bdesh were non existent

Sri Lanka were good at home. That’s it.

Only Australia West Indies till mid 90s were quality sides
Then you had Pakistan who btw lost to crap teams like zimbawe
And I know people will say oh Zimbabwe have this and that batsmen. Lmao yea sure but they are still a fodder team that most teams would thrash.
Except Pakistan even lost at home to them in tests lol.

Zimbabwe is like lower than bdesh level now. That’s probably around their level.

 

[mominsaigol]

Naah there are heavyweight teams now too. Pak just isn't one of them. Kenya and Zimbabwe are replaced by Bang and Afg.

Winning against NZ, India and England in the 90s is not the same as winning against them right now.

Only India and NZ is better.

2016-2019 England > amy era England but current England is beyond rubbish. Their just a side that looks attractive on paper with big names but in reality all of their greats like Butler, Root are ageing and rubbish in odi now. With their new batters all being crap except for duckett.

And their bowlers have become trundlers, Once rashid retires their spin bowling department will be toothless as well. This England side isn't winning against 90's England unless duckett and rashid have a field day

Bangladesh current gets murdered by 2007 Zimbabwe and 2003 Kenya no difficulty. Afghanistan can beat 2003 Kenya but will lose to 2007 Zimbabwe unless conditons suit them in which case they can win.

Overall 2003 Kenya and 2007 Zimbabwe are superior.

Even then NZ of today vs NZ of old isn't a one sided contest and can go either way.

Every side from the golden era except for india is weaker then present. And even india is weaker from a batting perspective.

Fat rohit, end of rope kohli, Young inexperienced Gill, Sheryas, pandya, Jadeja etc etc are not better odi batters then Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag, Dhoni

Early 2000's to Late 2000's india would beat current India if you remove bumrah. However 1990's india would lose.

1990's pak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current pak

late 1990's aus to early 2000's aus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current Aus

2016-2022 emglsnd > 1990's England to early 2000's England > Current England

Current NZ > Past NZ

Current india with bumrah > Classic india = Current India without bumrah > 1990 india

people who think today's teams are > 1990-early and late 2000 teams in odi and test are delusional and it shows that their cricketing acumen is 0

 

[mominsaigol]

Hafeez for someone who has built this reputation of being the “professor” is pretty out of touch with basic stuff.

1. He talks about ICC tournaments. Aside from the 1992 World Cup, there were only 1996 and 1999, one of which they got to the final. It’s not like nowadays where you have an ICC tournament every year. Even from 2007-11, there were no less than 6, yes SIX ICC tournaments! Surely a “professor” would know this before opening his mouth.
2. He talks about ICC victories “inspiring” a generation. What did 2009 inspire? The rebellion against Younis the same year? The 2009 debacle in Sydney? Banning your best two batsmen (Younis and Yousuf) in 2010? Spot fixing 2010? What did 2017 inspire? Haven’t seen anything great post 2017 either. And all of those heroes of 2017, pretty much have thrown their careers down the toilet since then maybe apart from Fakhar.

So what is this “professor” even on about?

Fakhar's career was also thrown down mate.

He went from being a generational batsmen for pakistan, a rare gem and our best opener since saeed to

A) Getting thrown in the trash bin in t20 by Misbah since Misbah wanted to desperately promote rizwan and babar.

B) Getting booted out of the test squad and management encouraged him to quit playing FC cricket.

C).Getting shoved aside for Abdullah Shafique due to SMGPL bias in Asia cup and wc 2023.

D) Getting shadow banned post wc 2023.

they've been trying to ruin his career since 2019 and 6 years later they have finally succeeded.

All the players you mentioned, Sarfraz, Haris sohail, Fakhar Zaman, Imad wasim etc etc have had their careers ruined by the roti gang.

Haris sohail is an exception but jad he stayed, Misbah would have found a way to remove haris for rizwan since haris was occupying the precious No 4 spot.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan has been blessed with talent despite it being an economical stagnant country.

1) Fakhar Zaman (Rare gen talent for pakistan)

2) Imad wasim (Rare find since he's the perfect no 7 and part time.bowling option for pakistan)

3) Haris sohail (God gifted left handed talent)

4) Amir (God gifted left handed talent who after banning redeemed himself by gifting us an icc win)

5) Shaheen (Prime, God gifted left handed bowling talent)

6) Junaid Khan (Underrated left arm bowling talent, Much better then Naseem Shah in his prime)

7) Saim.ayub (Another generational talent)

8) Agha salman (Not a generational talent but a decent utility player. Not a bad option to have in the squad)

9) Sarfraz ( Very sharp whiteball acumen, pakistan was extremely lucky to have a white ball captain like sarfi)

Some players who never represented their side but should have

1) zafar Gohar (Gun spin talent)

2) Mubasir Khan (Huge travesty that he didn't.play more games)

3) Ali raza (Needs to.be given a debut)

4) Ihsanullah ( Such a shame that he got injured, talent wise he is easily > Rauf and naseem)

^^ These are your players.

Also I'm tired of Misbah ruining everything. Even good players get ruined under him such as Babar, Shaheen etc etc.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If you are interested here is an interesting article on Who is the no.2 team of the 1990s. Author leaves it to readers to decide

Pakistan vs SA. You can check the comment section as well.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/07/22/who-were-the-second-best-test-team-of-the-1990s/

 

[saimayubera]

Only India and NZ is better.

2016-2019 England > amy era England but current England is beyond rubbish. Their just a side that looks attractive on paper with big names but in reality all of their greats like Butler, Root are ageing and rubbish in odi now. With their new batters all being crap except for duckett.

And their bowlers have become trundlers, Once rashid retires their spin bowling department will be toothless as well. This England side isn't winning against 90's England unless duckett and rashid have a field day

Bangladesh current gets murdered by 2007 Zimbabwe and 2003 Kenya no difficulty. Afghanistan can beat 2003 Kenya but will lose to 2007 Zimbabwe unless conditons suit them in which case they can win.

Overall 2003 Kenya and 2007 Zimbabwe are superior.

Even then NZ of today vs NZ of old isn't a one sided contest and can go either way.

Every side from the golden era except for india is weaker then present. And even india is weaker from a batting perspective.

Fat rohit, end of rope kohli, Young inexperienced Gill, Sheryas, pandya, Jadeja etc etc are not better odi batters then Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag, Dhoni

Early 2000's to Late 2000's india would beat current India if you remove bumrah. However 1990's india would lose.

1990's pak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current pak

late 1990's aus to early 2000's aus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current Aus

2016-2022 emglsnd > 1990's England to early 2000's England > Current England

Current NZ > Past NZ

Current india with bumrah > Classic india = Current India without bumrah > 1990 india

people who think today's teams are > 1990-early and late 2000 teams in odi and test are delusional and it shows that their cricketing acumen is 0

No one is talking about 2000s.

Classic India is the 2000s team which culminated in the 11 WC.

The classic 90s Pakistan team ended in the 2003 WC and that is what all the hullabaloo is about. 2003 WC match is the only match where the "classic" iteration of these two teams played, both in opposite ends of their trajectory.

And the point was about 90s vs post 90s teams and those post 90s Pak teams have lost to England, NZ and Ind a lot who used to get defeated by the 90s Pak teams simply cause those three teams were weaker.

 

[mominsaigol]

No one is talking about 2000s.

Classic India is the 2000s team which culminated in the 11 WC.

The classic 90s Pakistan team ended in the 2003 WC and that is what all the hullabaloo is about. 2003 WC match is the only match where the "classic" iteration of these two teams played, both in opposite ends of their trajectory.

And the point was about 90s vs post 90s teams and those post 90s Pak teams have lost to England, NZ and Ind a lot who used to get defeated by the 90s Pak teams simply cause those three teams were weaker.

The post you replied to aka @sweep_shot was referring to why teams from 1990 to late 2000's were massively superior to teams of today.

Cricket teams have gotten much weaker in both odi and tests due to the rise of t20 cricket.

Even India from a batting perspective has gotten weaker. With the exception of jaiswal, None of india's current talent pool especially Gill seem poised to be legendary test batters by any means.

Same with Australia and NZ.

T20 teams have gotten stronger excpet for minnows pak included but every team has a weaker odi and test lineup.

Even india's early 2000 test team is wiping the floor with current India. And in odi, Bumrah and 2000's india's rubbish bowling attack will probably cause them to lose in odi. But they still have a better batting lineup then current India.

 

[Varun]

Pakistan has been blessed with talent despite it being an economical stagnant country.

The sooner Pakistani fans such as yourself realize the true meaning of the word "talent", the better.

2) Imad wasim (Rare find since he's the perfect no 7 and part time.bowling option for pakistan)

A slightly upgraded Yousuf Pathan at best.

3) Haris sohail (God gifted left handed talent)

A left handed Mohammad Kaif. Lol at god gifted.

4) Amir (God gifted left handed talent who after banning redeemed himself by gifting us an icc win)

Giving him credit for that win is like giving Joginder Sharma a knighthood for the 2007 final.

5) Shaheen (Prime, God gifted left handed bowling talent)

Not even 30% of other left-handed bowlers this century: Mitchell Johnson, Mitchell Starc, etc. Even someone like a Zaheer Khan has had a better, more wholesome career.

6) Junaid Khan (Underrated left arm bowling talent, Much better then Naseem Shah in his prime)

Another guy who looks good for a year before fading away.

7) Saim.ayub (Another generational talent)

As of now, a no-name. Lol at generational talent.

8) Agha salman (Not a generational talent but a decent utility player. Not a bad option to have in the squad)

Another no-name.

 

[mominsaigol]

The sooner Pakistani fans such as yourself realize the true meaning of the word "talent", the better.



A slightly upgraded Yousuf Pathan at best.



A left handed Mohammad Kaif. Lol at god gifted.



Giving him credit for that win is like giving Joginder Sharma a knighthood for the 2007 final.



Not even 30% of other left-handed bowlers this century: Mitchell Johnson, Mitchell Starc, etc. Even someone like a Zaheer Khan has had a better, more wholesome career.



Another guy who looks good for a year before fading away.



As of now, a no-name. Lol at generational talent.



Another no-name.

This wasn't directed at you and was written in accordance with Pakistan and not global comparisons.

 

[Farabi]

Hafeez is not wrong, 90s cricketers were skill-wise much more accomplished than the 2000s onwards generation yet they didn’t achieve much.

If @Savak has had to go through so much pain to prove why and how 90s cricketers were barely more successful, it basically proves Hafeez’s point that the 90s bunch under-achieved massively.

I have been watching cricket since the 90s too, and we got smashed by the two best teams of that generation consistently - Australia and South Africa.

I remember the Carlton and United Series in 99/2000, where we were literally helpless against a rampaging Australia. The same helplessness we feel when we face strong teams today.

I get it. But achievement isn’t just silverware. Aus was too good during their team.
It was a much more enjoyable and watchable side. It may not have won the final of 99, but at least it reached the final which we haven’t done since.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I get it. But achievement isn’t just silverware. Aus was too good during their team.
It was a much more enjoyable and watchable side. It may not have won the final of 99, but at least it reached the final which we haven’t done since.

You have reached 2 T20 world cup finals, 1 T20 world cup win and 1 CT win.
90s are just mooching of by their hypothetical aura and jazbaa .. They got lucky in 92 and their special tactics as technology improved the scrutiny. How funny were the freak injuries around major matches?? Avoid drug tests or failing them or match fixing??

 

[Farabi]

You have reached 2 T20 world cup finals, 1 T20 world cup win and 1 CT win.
90s are just mooching of by their hypothetical aura and jazbaa .. They got lucky in 92 and their special tactics as technology improved the scrutiny. How funny were the freak injuries around major matches?? Avoid drug tests or failing them or match fixing??

That 90s-early 2000s Pakistan team was just different.

- Openers went hard in the Powerplay—Saeed, Aamir, Imran Nazir, even Afridi on his day. None of the BS backward tuk tuk of today.
- Middle order had class—Inzi, Yousuf, Ijaz, all proper batters who rotated the strike rather than blocking marathons since Misbah era.
- The Ws were unreal—both ended up with 400+ ODI wickets, and then you had Shoaib of 1997-2003 bowling 155+. How many fast bowlers are bowling 155+ again? Let alone 10 over spells.
- Spinners? Saqi and Mushi fighting for a spot, both world-class. Saqi’s doosra invention bamboozeled everyone in the 90s. There was innovation.
- Razzak of later 90s early 2000s was as solid an all-rounder as you could ask for. He had the kind of powerhitting most teams want.

Sure, they didn’t always win, but man, they were fun to watch. More skill, more flair, and just more exciting cricket overall.