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Everyone remembers the match winning knocks against Australia and England in 2021 but there have been an equally high number of matches where he has cost India badly with his irresponsible shot selection

- The 2019 ODI Semi Final vs NZ

- The 2021 World Test Championship final second innings vs NZ

- The 2024 4th test against Australia at the MCG both innings

I am sure he's recklessly thrown away his wicket in other games as well where it can be argued that he cost India the game

At the start of his career he was a fit player who could do back flips without using his hands but now you see a chubby overweight pudding who doesn't have the same agility and mobility at the start of his career.

Maybe it's time for the Indian selectors to bench him or drop him with instructions to improve his fitness, shot selection, game awareness with some more respect for the match situation.

Surely India has sufficient wicket keeping batting options who can replace him for now.
 
Dhruv Jurel is a fantastic keeper and batsman. But Pant being an X factor won't be dropped easily. They will just try to course correct him rather than drop him altogether. In the absence of Pant, Jurel played two of best knocks by an Indian for the year 2024. Not only saved India from potential loss also won it for them against England. Has way better technique, temperament than current Kohli and Rohit.
 
he has brain fades, but he also has innings which change the game in indians favour. when it comes off everyone is like oooh, aaaah, what a genius, but its a game of numbers and sometimes it wont. you need one innocuous player in a line up with conventional batsmen.

just goes to show how rare gilchrist was, dude did it day in day out and averaged 55 till his reflexes went.
 
ElRaja said:
he has brain fades, but he also has innings which change the game in indians favour. when it comes off everyone is like oooh, aaaah, what a genius, but its a game of numbers and sometimes it wont. you need one innocuous player in a line up with conventional batsmen.

just goes to show how rare gilchrist was, dude did it day in day out and averaged 55 till his reflexes went.
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After injury he is not quiet the same. His 97 at the SCG when India was all set to los led to draw. Subsequent 89 led to win. Then when India was half the side down he blitzed England apart with 146 at the Oval. There also England bowling was running ragged. Then gave his wicket away to Jo root when he threw a wide on with long off in place. He took the bait and holed out. Followed by another 58 in the 2nd dig. Then there was this unplayable South African pitch where he made 102 with next highest was like 10 or 15.He can do things mere mortals can do. His fancy shots are his enemies. He has probably the best defense in the Indian side. Only a fool will call him a hack.
 
sweep_shot said:
I have always considered Pant as a T20 hack.

Just because he played a blinder in Gabba once doesn't mean he is a reliable batter.

Flukes can happen. Consistency is what separates a good player from an average player.
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Tim Paine was captain back then who was too busy with PR photo shots than captaining. Pant's is not a good T20 or ODI player but his T20 hacking skills can be quite devastating in Test matches if the opposing captain is not too careful. The very first boundary he hit yesterday off of some exotic shot was completely unnecessary.
 
sweep_shot said:
I have always considered Pant as a T20 hack.

Just because he played a blinder in Gabba once doesn't mean he is a reliable batter.

Flukes can happen. Consistency is what separates a good player from an average player.
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Pant has centuries in Australia SA and England. Test centuries.

How many Bangladeshis have that many centuries in SENA?

T20 Hack. 😂
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He is a high impact match winner.

Sometimes it doesn't come off.
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They look very good in a good decent set up. GIlchrist was surrounded by 6 inform batsmen almost all the time They rarely failed. But Pant is surrounded by tailenders at the top order. It makes him look worse than he is. OFcourse he has to become mature. It is a given. But a player like him is gold in a half decent batting line up. Not this line up which expects him to be sensible also be X factor. Only reason Australia delays declarations is because of Pant. Pant is a superstar with Australian crowd and commentators. THey owned them in the last 2 tours. But they love him. Why do they set fields like this for pant only because that is the only way the can nail him by ruffling his ego.
 
He's a low IQ player unfortunately, threw away his wicket twice at crucial moments in this test match.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
After injury he is not quiet the same. His 97 at the SCG when India was all set to los led to draw. Subsequent 89 led to win. Then when India was half the side down he blitzed England apart with 146 at the Oval. There also England bowling was running ragged. Then gave his wicket away to Jo root when he threw a wide on with long off in place. He took the bait and holed out. Followed by another 58 in the 2nd dig. Then there was this unplayable South African pitch where he made 102 with next highest was like 10 or 15.He can do things mere mortals can do. His fancy shots are his enemies. He has probably the best defense in the Indian side. Only a fool will call him a hack.
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it will take time for him to get back into the swing of things, if i was an opposition team the two players id worry about the most are jaiswal and pant, and ive said that for the last year or so.
 
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Pant is exceptional player , but that is how he plays , that is how is his natural game is , just like Jaiswal . You have to accept them as they are.
 
He keeps his brain in the kit bag out of the field when he comes out to bat. Stupid batter he is... Sometimes you have to play according to situation and not like how you are playing everytime.
 
Pants brainfades loses matches India because he's the last line of defense. If it comes to the point where due to pant match was lost it means the top order has drastically failed already.

It's futile to blame the lower order players when your top order is playing like a tailender, especially when there's atleast some competent players warming the bench.

I don't even rate pant as a proper batsman. Whatever he makes is just a bonus in my eyes.
 
Everyone fails more than they succeed. It should not be surprising. Gilchrist played 90 tests and has failed in more games than succeeded. It is the overall career average that matters.
 
sweep_shot said:
I have always considered Pant as a T20 hack.

Just because he played a blinder in Gabba once doesn't mean he is a reliable batter.

Flukes can happen. Consistency is what separates a good player from an average player.
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What do you mean by consistency? He averages 42 in Tests despite playing higher number of games in SENA conditions.

KL Rahul and Gill averages in mid-30s. Rohit averages 40 in Test cricket and these guys are not even keeper batsman.

Pant is still very good and 2nd best Indian batsman after Jaiswal. The idea or suggestion of dropping him is absolutely blasphemous because we have 4 specialist batters who average in mid-30s in last 5-6 years time period.

The first discussion should be whether he deserves to be rated as the best keeper batter of this generation and not on whether he merits a place in Indian team.
 
Pant is a lower order hack, the best batsmen in any team play in the top 4.
The onus is on top 4 to get you as close to win as possible.

Indian top 4 in recent times, especially in test matches hasn’t been performing consistently.

Blaming pant is all well and good but he’s not the main batsmen, majority of the blame needs to go to the top 4.
 
sweep_shot said:
I have always considered Pant as a T20 hack.

Just because he played a blinder in Gabba once doesn't mean he is a reliable batter.

Flukes can happen. Consistency is what separates a good player from an average player.
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Believe it or not T20 is probably his worst format.
For all the hype he has, he sucks in T20.
 
Ab Fan said:
What do you mean by consistency? He averages 42 in Tests despite playing higher number of games in SENA conditions.

KL Rahul and Gill averages in mid-30s. Rohit averages 40 in Test cricket and these guys are not even keeper batsman.

Pant is still very good and 2nd best Indian batsman after Jaiswal. The idea or suggestion of dropping him is absolutely blasphemous because we have 4 specialist batters who average in mid-30s in last 5-6 years time period.

The first discussion should be whether he deserves to be rated as the best keeper batter of this generation and not on whether he merits a place in Indian team.
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If he’s considered as the 2nd best batsman of test side then there in lies the biggest problem.

In tests your best batsman should bat in top 4 and in LOIs in top 3.

Pant is more of a lower middle order bat who are never the best batsman of any good team but their role is to finish matches or save the team when required.

Problem with Indian team is the top 4 suck balls so Pant is seen as a proper batsman when he’s not.
 
Itachi said:
Pants brainfades loses matches India because he's the last line of defense. If it comes to the point where due to pant match was lost it means the top order has drastically failed already.

It's futile to blame the lower order players when your top order is playing like a tailender, especially when there's atleast some competent players warming the bench.

I don't even rate pant as a proper batsman. Whatever he makes is just a bonus in my eyes.
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100% agreed, this is the best post on this thread and thread should have been closed after this post.
 
The thread makes no sense as it has no relevant context behind it. If we are saying that he deserves to be dropped for having brain fades then what do we make of his test career average of 42 with hundreds in Aus, SA and Eng and match winning 90s on turning pitches in subcontinent which includes India and BD?

At the moment, India have only two batsman averaging 40+ over a sample of last 5 years- Pant and Jaiswal. Out of these two, Jaiswal’s sample is lower but given how he has done in this series, we should start putting him at #1. Pant is number 2 though and rest seem clearly behind. Hence, this thread has simply no context.

KL Rahul, Gill, Jadeja anyone you can put at #3 or between 3-5. Rohit and Kohli are worst.
 
big_gamer007 said:
If he’s considered as the 2nd best batsman of test side then there in lies the biggest problem.

In tests your best batsman should bat in top 4 and in LOIs in top 3.

Pant is more of a lower middle order bat who are never the best batsman of any good team but their role is to finish matches or save the team when required.

Problem with Indian team is the top 4 suck balls so Pant is seen as a proper batsman when he’s not.
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Pant is a keeper batsman. Every team plays keeper batsman at #6 or 7. India are playing him higher at #5 because they view him as a game changer and a match winner in the same mould as England view Ben Stokes and Australia view Travis Head. The role is different for him and he has done pretty fine in his role as a keeper batsman who looks to take the game away from opposition.
 
He reminds me of Shahid Afridi. No matter the situation. He'll keep playing his game. Even at the cost of the team.

One of the advantages Shahid had is that he was also a proper bowler. So that helped his career and save his place in the team
 
He need to realise his calibre and play more sensibly. There is a potential to be a great keeper batter in him but only if he bats more sensibly.
 
Pant is a top player and the best Indian cricketer at the moment along with Bumrah, but he has let his team down on this tour.

That dismissal in the first innings at MCG is the type of dismissal that should actually result in him getting dropped for one series. No wonder Gavaskar was absolutely livid.
 
RidiculousMan said:
He reminds me of Shahid Afridi. No matter the situation. He'll keep playing his game. Even at the cost of the team.

One of the advantages Shahid had is that he was also a proper bowler. So that helped his career and save his place in the team
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Rishab pant's defense is better than most specialist batsman's defense. That is his strength. Most of the dismissals he had in Australia were a result of lofted shots. Otherwise he would be averaging like 70 there.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Rishab pant's defense is better than most specialist batsman's defense. That is his strength. Most of the dismissals he had in Australia were a result of lofted shots. Otherwise he would be averaging like 70 there.
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What use is that defense to me if he doesn't play to situation and throws it away most of the time?
 
RidiculousMan said:
What use is that defense to me if he doesn't play to situation and throws it away most of the time?
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Ironically that is why he is loved by Aussie fans. His unpredictable nature.

Shane warne summarizes his nature here very well. He sees a ball that viciously spins past his bat. Next ball he went downtown for six. This was during the famous Gabba chase.

 
Coming back to the actual topic. Well he iss a class player, but like many other class batsmen he will also have some off days and play silly shots.

When I saw his car after that accident I never thought he will ever play cricket again, but he has come back and played good cricket, impressive.
 
IAJ said:
What has this thread to do with Bangladesh?
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If a Bangladeshi calls Pant a T20 hack and fluke. He needs to be told in a language he understands that how difficult it is to score that many centuries in SENA.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If a Bangladeshi calls Pant a T20 hack and fluke. He needs to be told in a language he understands that how difficult it is to score that many centuries in SENA.
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Well you obviously don't have many good arguments when you have to bring in other nations players in a discussion about a particular player, but I am not surprised.
 
He has achieved a lot for his team.

It’s better to make threads like these on the wicket keeping bum that plays for Pakistan :rizwan
 
IAJ said:
Well you obviously don't have many good arguments when you have to bring in other nations players in a discussion about a particular player, but I am not surprised.
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Bangladesh has been playing test Cricket for almost 25 years now. Yet they don't have a player who has as many centuries in SENA as Pant.

Yet a BD fan says Pant is hack.

Its obvious who has no arguments.
 
India’s approach on Day 5 of the second innings made their intent clear as they were playing for a draw from the moment they walked out to bat. This strategy was evident in their cautious batting throughout the day, including from Rishabh Pant. While Pant is undeniably a great player, if one were to pinpoint the moment India lost the game, it would be his ill-timed shot in the second innings that allowed Australia to regain control.

Pant was well set at the crease, having already adjusted his game to absorb pressure by playing dot balls and maintaining a low strike rate. At that stage, attempting a six was unnecessary and offered no tangible benefit to India’s position. It was a baffling decision, given that a more responsible approach could have significantly contributed to saving the game.

In cricket, captains and coaches often emphasize the importance of taking responsibility for poor shot selection, especially when a set batter has the potential to influence the outcome. Pant, as an experienced player, would surely realize the gravity of his mistake. His rash shot not only cost India momentum but also became a key factor in their eventual loss in the fourth Test against Australia.
 
Pant should always be among first few names for Test XI - he is among few players who can swing a Test in a session. Probably his best knock came in a loss (SAF), otherwise guy is a frightening batsman whose drop will demoralise the fielding side most against India. He plays aggressively hence sometimes would look silly, but I believe a more mature Pant won’t have played that MCG shot - it’s more to do with his temperament rather than technique.

However, I don’t think he is an international quality WK - may be up to ODI (WK in T20 is basically 1st baseman of baseball - every team has 2/3 in playing XI who can fill the role), but he should play Test as specialist no. 5 batsman.
 
Another brain fade moment from Pant. He could have easily left the ball but he chose to be stupid.

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First thing the guy needs to be ordered to go into fat camp. He's let himself go and not been working on his fitness for a while now.
 
No brain fades this time.... He is just smashing them Aussies...

5 fours and 1 six in 17 balls so far
 
Smashing inning from Pant...50 off just 29 Balls... Sunil Gavaskar watching him???
 
On this challenging pitch, where runs are hard to come by, this innings will likely decide the match. A century here would all but seal the game for India.
 
Truth is, Rishabh is already an Indian test ATG.

Scary what he will be at the end of his career.
 
Pant should have been more careful but he ends up giving his wicket away... 61 off 33 balls. Great inning though but India needed him to stay out there for longer time.
 
pillionrider said:
Truth is, Rishabh is already an Indian test ATG.

Scary what he will be at the end of his career.
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How I wish we had a wicket keeper like him throughout the 90's. Instead we had to put up with imbeciles like Kiran More, Nayan Mongia, and Saba Karim.
 
Fluke inning.

Cannot rely on someone who plays monkey cricket like that , gets out cheaply 7/10 times and 1 fluke knock like that riding luck.

in the context of the match, everybody needs to bat as much as possible.

It’s exciting when the fluke happens and incredibly annoying when it doesn’t mostly.
 
Hitman said:
How I wish we had a wicket keeper like him throughout the 90's. Instead we had to put up with imbeciles like Kiran More, Nayan Mongia, and Saba Karim.
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MSK Prasad, Sameer Dighe (was good in one chase vs Australia), Ajay Ratra, Deep Dasgupta lol
 
pillionrider said:
MSK Prasad, Sameer Dighe (was good in one chase vs Australia), Ajay Ratra, Deep Dasgupta lol
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Yea, almost forgot them. Still remember Sameer Dighe's celebrations after we won the 3rd Test in the BGT in 2001 :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Bhaijaan said:
Fluke inning.

Cannot rely on someone who plays monkey cricket like that , gets out cheaply 7/10 times and 1 fluke knock like that riding luck.

in the context of the match, everybody needs to bat as much as possible.

It’s exciting when the fluke happens and incredibly annoying when it doesn’t mostly.
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Pyar se mil raha hai rakh lo warna………

:kp :inti
 
Good innings. Anyone who scratches around on this surface is a Gonner.

Hopefully, his innings is the blue print for Aussies to approach their second innings, and demoting walking wicket Khawaja to number 11
 
Varun said:
Interesting. Sachin on one end of the scale, Sunny on the other.
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Sachin was not someone that believed everyone should play in classical way , Sachin actually hit the helicopter shot first, and it was extremely elegant lol.
 
If pant doesn't play this way, you don't get victories like the Gabba one.

All these critics will be the first ones heaping praise on him.

He is an entertainer. Sport is made for enjoyment.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Fluke inning.

Cannot rely on someone who plays monkey cricket like that , gets out cheaply 7/10 times and 1 fluke knock like that riding luck.

in the context of the match, everybody needs to bat as much as possible.

It’s exciting when the fluke happens and incredibly annoying when it doesn’t mostly.
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I agree with this, one fluke 60 run innings and people are back on the 'praise Pant' bandwagon.

He has embarrassed himself the whole series. He could have won this for us.
 
Sycamore said:
If pant doesn't play this way, you don't get victories like the Gabba one.

All these critics will be the first ones heaping praise on him.

He is an entertainer. Sport is made for enjoyment.
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In that Gabba knock he batted with a lot of discipline where he blocked, kept out the good balls and attacked the bad ones. He played his innovations and toyed with the field once he was well set. He also kept Lyon at bay who was getting extravagant turn on the Day 5 pitch from the rough.

He didn't show anywhere near the same discipline with the bat this series.
 
After observing Pant's career, I think he is not good on flat surfaces.

He is only effective when pitches are spicy. He can slog and score some quick and useful runs.
 
Sycamore said:
If pant doesn't play this way, you don't get victories like the Gabba one.

All these critics will be the first ones heaping praise on him.

He is an entertainer. Sport is made for enjoyment.
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That Gabba win was already set-up by Pujara and Gill well before Pant came to the crease.

Just like the 2011 WC final chase's credit should primarily go to Gambhir, not Dhoni.
 
Savak said:
In that Gabba knock he batted with a lot of discipline where he blocked, kept out the good balls and attacked the bad ones. He played his innovations and toyed with the field once he was well set. He also kept Lyon at bay who was getting extravagant turn on the Day 5 pitch from the rough.

He didn't show anywhere near the same discipline with the bat this series.
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I am going to cut him slack as he is coming back from near death experience. Given that he had all 3 types of ligaments torn nobody expected him to play well for India after his return. Credit to him his only issue now is mental. He showed two sides of him in the SCG test an ultra slow 40 and ultra aggressive 50. He has impeccable defensive technique. Better than most specialist batsmen in the world. As he gets older he has to use it when needed and take calculate risks. ODIs are fine for now. He is unfit for T20 though
 
Sycamore said:
If pant doesn't play this way, you don't get victories like the Gabba one.

All these critics will be the first ones heaping praise on him.

He is an entertainer. Sport is made for enjoyment.
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A player should not be judged based on 1 innings. Consistency should be the main metric.

If he wins 1 game and loses his team 5 games with his reckless batting, what good does it do?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I am going to cut him slack as he is coming back from near death experience. Given that he had all 3 types of ligaments torn nobody expected him to play well for India after his return. Credit to him his only issue now is mental. He showed two sides of him in the SCG test an ultra slow 40 and ultra aggressive 50. He has impeccable defensive technique. Better than most specialist batsmen in the world. As he gets older he has to use it when needed and take calculate risks. ODIs are fine for now. He is unfit for T20 though
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It won't hurt him to lose some weight and body fat. It hinders his mobility at the crease. I remember in 2018 he used to be very fit and agile. Now in 2024 he is looking like telly tubby.
 
Savak said:
It won't hurt him to lose some weight and body fat. It hinders his mobility at the crease. I remember in 2018 he used to be very fit and agile. Now in 2024 he is looking like telly tubby.
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In due course it will help him. But first and foremost thing a player like him needs is some players who can score runs around him. His failure will look bigger than it is when other batsmen don't score runs. Just because others get out while playing responsible shot won't make them any better than Pant. Net result is the same.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
In due course it will help him. But first and foremost thing a player like him needs is some players who can score runs around him. His failure will look bigger than it is when other batsmen don't score runs. Just because others get out while playing responsible shot won't make them any better than Pant. Net result is the same.
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India missed Pujara and Rahane on this tour. These two players especially Pujara was a master at grinding the opposition down. Rahane too could be relied to block the good deliveries, play out the tough deliveries and score of the bad deliveries. Pujara's role in tiring out the Australian pace attack was under rated in the last two series and it allowed the remaining batters to take advantage.
 
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