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The Rohingya military group Arsa carried out deadly massacres and abductions of the Hindu community in Myanmar’s Rakhine state last year, a new report by Amnesty International has revealed.

Testimony collected by Amnesty from dozens of witnesses and survivors of the attacks in Rakhine in August have detailed how up to 99 Hindu men, women and children were killed by Arsa militants armed with knives, swords and sticks. Only those who agreed to convert to Islam were spared.

According to the report, on 25 August last year, Arsa militants, aided by some local Rohingya, descended on the village of Ah Nauk Kha Maung Seik, in the northern Maungdaw township in Rakhine.

They rounded up all 69 Hindu men, women, and children, before executing 53 of them. Some who agreed to convert from Hinduism to Islam were freed.

Raj Kumari, 18, who witnessed the attack, told Amnesty: “They slaughtered the men. We were told not to look at them. They had knives. They also had some spades and iron rods. We hid ourselves in the shrubs there and were able to see a little. My uncle, my father, my brother – they were all slaughtered.”

Another witness, Formila, 20, told Amnesty that the Arsa fighters had taken the men away to kill them, then “came back with blood on their swords, and blood on their hands”.

She said: “I saw men holding the heads and hair [of the women] and others were holding knives. And then they cut their throats.”

The report also details other Arsa attacks on 26 August, on the outskirts of Maungdaw town, near Myo Thu Gyi village, where more Hindus and Buddhists were killed.

Arsa – the Arakan Rohingya Salvation army – are a group of trained fighters estimated to be in their hundreds. It was formed in around 2012 in reaction to long-term systematic discrimination against the Rohingya community in Rakhine, but only came to prominence in October 2016 after a series of attacks on Myanmar’s security forces.

The Amnesty report, which has been verified through hundreds of witness accounts, is likely to be controversial because it backs up the assertion by Myanmar’s military and government that their .

It was following attacks on the military that the security forces descended on northern Rakhine, attacking, killing and raping Rohingya people in their path. .

Amnesty has described the actions of Myanmar’s security services as “crimes against humanity” and the UN has said they bear the “hallmarks of genocide”.

Arsa’s actions have not yet drawn the same international denouncements and calls for accountability.

Tirana Hassan, crisis response director at Amnesty International, said it was important to stress that justice was needed for those who suffered at the hands of the Myanmar military and Arsa. “Both must be condemned – human rights violations or abuses by one side never justify abuses or violations by the other,” Hassan said.

“It’s hard to ignore the sheer brutality of Arsa’s actions, which have left an indelible impression on the survivors we’ve spoken to. Accountability for these atrocities is every bit as crucial as it is for the crimes against humanity carried out by Myanmar’s security forces in northern Rakhine state.”

It has taken months for the full account to come out mainly because of lack of access to northern Rakhine state. The accounts by witnesses also reveal the level of fear that victims had about telling the truth, and that eight Hindu women who fled to refugee camps in Bangladesh were pressured by Arsa to make videos claiming the Myanmar military carried out the violence against them.

Since the Rohingya were forced to flee from northern Rakhine, Arsa’s presence has mainly been online, though the group has been quiet on social media since January. It is not known whether it has plans to mobilise again.

Laura Haigh, an Amnesty researcher who helped compile the report, said it had been “very difficult to get people to open up about Arsa, they are a very elusive group, and there is a fear among the community now in Bangladesh, with the informant killings last year, not to speak out and that there could be reprisals against those who do.”

She added: “There is some concern among people that shedding light on the abuses means in some way that the actions of the military were justified, that it will undermine the need for accountability for the crimes against humanity, which it absolutely does not. This is just another aspect of what happened in August that needs to be investigated.”

The Myanmar government did not respond to request for comment.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/22/rohingya-militants-massacred-hindus-in-myanmar-says-amnesty
 
Probably a conspiracy against innocent Rohingya Muslims. Killing people and forcing conversion doesn't sound like Islam at all.
 
What about Indian army raping and killing millions of Kashmiris(Muslims, Sikhs etc) in cold blood?
 
No wonder the Rohingyas are finding amnesty with the Kashmiris. Birds of a feather and all that
 
Disgraceful, why attack peaceful Hindus who themselves are a persecuted minority in Myanmar? Hindus aren't even involved in the human rights violations against Rohingyas, the rogue Myanmar army (with Chinese backing) is. By doing all such acts of evil the ARSA will only harm the cause of ordinary Rohingya people.
 
The faster the illegal Rohingyas are deported from India the better for this country.
 
Disgraceful, why attack peaceful Hindus who themselves are a persecuted minority in Myanmar? Hindus aren't even involved in the human rights violations against Rohingyas, the rogue Myanmar army (with Chinese backing) is. By doing all such acts of evil the ARSA will only harm the cause of ordinary Rohingya people.

Agreed brother.
IMO India should welcome Rohingyas with open arms and try to rehabilitate them somewhere around in Tamilnadu so that our new esteemed posters could take great pride in that achievement not to mention the blessings of Pakistanis they crave so much.
 
Just imagine if india was 80 percent muslims and 14 percent hindus. What would have happen to us.
Its not about being secular and all. Indian history is all about that. How half of india got converted and many died.
No wonder one of the most peaceful religion of india budhism decided to take on rohingya terrorists in mynammar.
By the name only is bjp hindutva.They did nothing in favour of hindus except injecting some fear in the minds of cow killers,nothing else. How the hell they let in rohingya muslims and that too in jammu area which is peaceful till now.
Do hell with image. If i was in jammu and living among them i wud have feared for my life and future. India should not think about image. Do america think about image when they have destroyed countries ? Do england think about image when they colonized almost half world ? Do mynamar budhist think about image ? Do isralis think about image ? Do chineese think about image ? Do pakistan think about image ? Do many of muslim countries think about image.
Is secularism and human rights only headache of indians ,who themselves suffered from invasions since centuries and have lost almost half of their land ?
Do hell with image and do what is right for country. Understandable why hindus are known as the weak everwhere in the world and even pakistanis accuses of this. If hindus were not weak then kashmir would have solved a lot earlier and its not that difficult to solve when you have all the resources to tackle
 
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One of the few occasions in recent years I was glad BJP was in power was when the Rohingya situation broke out - believed they wouldn't allow them in. Sadly turned out to be quite the opposite.

It's interesting that they chose to settle them in Hindu-dominated Jammu. Were they unsure about how the Muslims of Kashmir would treat their Muslim brothers?
 
India will be ruled by Muslims again
nobody can stop that.

What the hell is rss doing ??? Are they only suppossed to wear nikar and target some poor people related to cows.

Why cannot they man up and take head on places like kashmir and where rohingyas are living. ??
I dnt think even bjp work for safety of hindus. You need to see west bengal and assam like states regarding the treatment of hindus there.whole media is silent .
A one innocent muslim guy killed in india related to killing of cow.,which is unfortunate and should not happen,and there is 24/7 debate in whole country regarding hindutva. And generalizing whole community and when victim belong to majoritu then no one would even care ro discuss...hypocrites...
 
What the hell is rss doing ??? Are they only suppossed to wear nikar and target some poor people related to cows.

Why cannot they man up and take head on places like kashmir and where rohingyas are living. ??
I dnt think even bjp work for safety of hindus. You need to see west bengal and assam like states regarding the treatment of hindus there.whole media is silent .
A one innocent muslim guy killed in india related to killing of cow.,which is unfortunate and should not happen,and there is 24/7 debate in whole country regarding hindutva. And generalizing whole community and when victim belong to majoritu then no one would even care ro discuss...hypocrites...

What do you think will happen if media runs stories from Assam and West Bengal 24x7? Last thing we need is an anti-Muslim sentiment in the country or we should brace ourselves for another Gujarat. I know it sounds unfair, but for the greater good of our country, Muslim violence needs to be played down by media.
 
One of the few occasions in recent years I was glad BJP was in power was when the Rohingya situation broke out - believed they wouldn't allow them in. Sadly turned out to be quite the opposite.

It's interesting that they chose to settle them in Hindu-dominated Jammu. Were they unsure about how the Muslims of Kashmir would treat their Muslim brothers?

Bjp had actually issued a deportation order for Rohingyas. Tmc Congress Prashant Bhushan etc moved the supreme court. The case is still there.

Rohingyas were moved to Jammu during the congress regime. Salman Khurshid was apparently actively involved.
 
What do you think will happen if media runs stories from Assam and West Bengal 24x7? Last thing we need is an anti-Muslim sentiment in the country or we should brace ourselves for another Gujarat. I know it sounds unfair, but for the greater good of our country, Muslim violence needs to be played down by media.


The more you play it down, the more it will simmer and ultimately lead to a Gujarat. Need is to bring the culprits to law asap irrespective of their religion.
 
Disgraceful, why attack peaceful Hindus who themselves are a persecuted minority in Myanmar? Hindus aren't even involved in the human rights violations against Rohingyas, the rogue Myanmar army (with Chinese backing) is. By doing all such acts of evil the ARSA will only harm the cause of ordinary Rohingya people.

From following the reports of the Burmese ethnic cleansing of the Muslim population, that allowed the jihadi groups from outside a foothold in the area, ostensibly to protect the Muslims from the buddhist aggression. Of course militant groups are never going to be content with just defense, so it might well be that they are doing their own purge of non-Muslims and the general environment of religious hatred has probably aided that.
 
Bjp had actually issued a deportation order for Rohingyas. Tmc Congress Prashant Bhushan etc moved the supreme court. The case is still there.

Rohingyas were moved to Jammu during the congress regime. Salman Khurshid was apparently actively involved.

Ok. Haven't followed this at all. Was under the impression this broke out during the last 2-3 years.
 
Same claims were made last year and this is what they found.

Who really attacked the Rohingya Hindus in Myanmar’s Rakhine state?

The answer is shrouded in fog of claims and counter-claims.

Among the half million Rohingya refugees who have come to Bangladesh, only a handful of them are Hindus. In their statements to many journalists and authorities, these people have described suffering horrors of slaughter and arson just like their Muslim neighbours.

In particular, Rohingya refugees from the Hindu neighbourhood of Fakirabazar in Maungdaw, described how masked assailants clad in black had shot and stabbed people and dumped the bodies in holes in the ground.

Over the last week and a half, however, some of the statements have begun to change. The Hindus, who are mostly gathered in a separate camp in Ukhiya, Cox’s Bazar, have started to blame “militant Muslims” for attacks on the Hindus.

Last week, a group of Rohingya women told AFP they were Hindus, brought forcibly to the Kutupalong refugee camp in Bangladesh by a group of men and told to convert to Islam.

A reporter from Indian news magazine India Today also found a woman from this group. She claimed to have been forced to perform namaz and wear a burqa.

Reuters reports that in late August, a group of Hindu Rohingya women had told them it was Rakhine Buddhists who attacked them. But later on, three of them changed their statements to say the attackers were Rohingya Muslims, who brought them here and told them to blame the Buddhists.

The Myanmar government on September 27 announced it had found a mass grave of Hindus near Fakirabazar, where at least 45 corpses of local Hindus were buried. A group of local and foreign journalists were flown to the spot by the Myanmar army and shown decomposing skeletal bodies laid out in rows on a field outside the village, as distraught relatives wailed nearby.

Rohingya killing Rohingya?
The Myanmar Army blamed the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army for this slaughter. Journalists have no access to Rakhine state outside of these official visits and cannot verify any of the official claims.

The same day, the Rakhine state government urged Hindu refugees who fled to Bangladesh to return, promising they will be cared for in Sittwe, according to reports in Myanmar media.

This correspondent visited the camp of Rohingya Hindus in Ukhiya and found them sheltered in a chicken farm and makeshift houses beside a Hindu temple. The majority of them were from the villages of Chikanchhari, Fakirabazar and Balibazar in Maungdaw.

The refugees said they had fled to save their lives from a group of people clad in black, whom they called “Kala Party” (Black Party). They believed these people were Rohingya Muslims.

“Muslim terrorists have become desperate and started resenting the Hindus who have citizenship in Myanmar,” said Puja Mallik, a young Hindu woman whose husband was killed by the masked men clad in black on August 25.

“The government is willing to give Muslims second class green citizenship card like ours, they do not want that. They demand the first class red citizenship cards that the Moghs [Rakhine] have,” she said.

The Myanmar has three tiers of citizenship, and the green card is for “naturalised citizens,” essentially immigrants.

A number of Hindu refugees while arriving in Bangladesh had told the media that they had lost their fathers and husbands at the hands of Myanmar army for their reluctance to partake in Muslim killing in Rakhine.

Cox’s Bazar Correspondent for New Age Mohammad Nurul Islam said: “They arrived in Bangladesh with the Muslim refugees and told us that the Buddhists had attacked them. We have audio records of their speeches.”

“Myanmar military and Buddhists killed my husband for not participating in killing and ousting Rohingya Muslims,” Anika Dhar, a pregnant Hindu housewife, had told the Daily New Age in late August.

She also told a senior journalist with the Reuters Television that she had taken shelter in a Muslim village after her husband was killed and came to Bangladesh with them.

Another woman, Padma Bala, who arrived in Bangladesh on August 30, told the same journalist: “The Moghs [Rakhine] are cutting us up.” The Reuters journalist is still in possession of the audio recording.

Many Rohingya Hindus have said they received support from Muslim neighbours in escaping the army’s persecution.

“The **** Party with arms, bombs and lethal weapons confined us to our houses for five consecutive days. We managed to escape the confinement with a Muslim neighbour’s help,” Arimahan Rudra told the Dhaka Tribune.

According to him there were 607 Hindus in the camp.

What do Rohingya Muslims say?
The green card citizenship makes the Hindus more privileged than the Muslims. They can study in colleges and universities, they can get jobs and medical treatment from government hospitals, they can travel freely, at least in theory, and they can vote.

On the other hand, Rohingya Muslims demand full-fledged citizenship, acknowledgement as Rohingya, and removal of state-sponsored restrictions; demands that are unlikely to be ever fulfilled.

Many Rohingya Muslims think this is Myanmar’s long-term plan, a classic divide and rule strategy, to create anger and hatred between the two religious groups among the Rohingya.

“We, the Hindus and Muslims, have been living together more than a hundred years in our village. The differences in our religious faiths did not create any trouble,” said Hashu Mia, a Muslim refugee from Fakirabazar village, now in Kutupalong.

“After coming to Bangladesh, I met one of my Hindu neighbours in Kutupalong bazar last week. He was the first to recognise me here. He embraced me tightly and we cried,” he said.

However, some Rohingya Muslims say some members of the Hindu community had sided with the army and Rakhine militia since the violence erupted.

“The Hindus are collaborating with the army and Moghs in Muslim killing. They helped them in looting and torching Muslim houses as they know the localities well,” said Abdus Salam, another Rohingya refugee from Fakirabazar.

“The relation between Hindus and Muslims has significantly deteriorated over a month,” he told the Dhaka Tribune.

Manufacturing a divide
The Rohingya insurgent group ARSA has strongly denounced the allegations brought by the Myanmar army.

“ARSA categorically denies that any of its member of combatants perpetrated murder, sexual violence, or forcible recruitment in the village of Fakirabazar, Riktapur and Chikonchhari in Maungdaw on or about 25 August 2017,” the statement issued on Wednesday said.

Who then, killed the Rohingya Hindus in the Rakhine state?

Rohingya refugees say that since ARSA’s attack, the Myanmar army started a deadly crackdown and killed hundreds of villagers regardless of their religious identities.

“The army is playing a game. The Buddhists and government agents attacked the Hindu villages so that they can justify the military crackdown targeted on Muslim eradication,” Mohammad Ayes, who enrolled himself in ARSA in August, told the Dhaka Tribune.

Mohammad Ayes, who joined ARSA a few days before the insurgent attacks, said the government used the conflict between the Hindus and Muslims, and take side of the Hindus as they were working for them.

Ayes argued that since the ARSA combatants do not have any dress code, they do not need to hide their identity with black masks.

“Whoever uses masks, it means they want to hide their identities and commit atrocities. It is a conspiracy against the Rohingya Muslims to prove that what the army is doing is legal and necessary,”

“If Hindus were really attacked by the Muslims, would they not be afraid to escape with the Muslims to get shelter in Bangladesh?” he asked.

Ayes alleged that since the Rohingya Hindus already had Myanmar citizenship and the government had urged them to return, they were blaming Muslims to express their loyalty towards the government.

Another ARSA member who claimed to be a Jimmadar (commander) told the Dhaka Tribune through a messaging app that the corpses the Myanmar army found could be any Rohingya.

“Now they are showing those bodies and forcing the Hindu people to cry in front of the bodies and say that those corpses were their relatives,” he said.

“UN bodies and others are trying to enter Rakhine state to investigate what atrocities were done by the military. So they buried the bodies of Rohingya. If any investigation is carried out the military will be accused for sure. So to destroy the evidence they are posing Muslim bodies as Hindu bodies,” the militant said.

‘We want to go to India’
Asked why they had come to Bangladesh instead of moving further inland, Bhuban Pal, a refugee in the Hindu camp, said that they perceived all Muslims to be against them and had moved to Bangladesh because it was closer.

“One of our community leaders, Nirmal Dhar, told us we would be safe here and he would arrange our return soon,” he added.

Several refugees, when asked whether they had heard about Rakhine state government’s invitation to the Hindus to return and stay in Sittwe, said they did not feel safe in Myanmar and wanted to go to India.

“I would feel at peace in India. In Myanmar we will never feel safe,” one woman told the Dhaka Tribune.

India issued a prompt response when Myanmar army announced its finding of mass graves, calling on the country’s government to bring to justice perpetrators of the crime.

“We have conveyed our concerns about the affected people to Myanmar. The affected families should be given appropriate compensation,” Raveesh Kumar, the Indian External affairs Ministry spokesperson, told the press.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangla...ally-attacked-the-rohingya-hindus-in-rakhine/
 
Because they would see the light of Islam and convert voluntarily would be my guess.

They stopped seeing the light of Islam now? Considering how so many Rajputs, Jatts, Khatris, Gujjars, Brahmins have converted to Islam when Foreign Muslim rulers occupied Indian subcontinent, what is stopping all the mentioned caste people from converting now? Did they stop seeing the light of Islam?
 
They stopped seeing the light of Islam now? Considering how so many Rajputs, Jatts, Khatris, Gujjars, Brahmins have converted to Islam when Foreign Muslim rulers occupied Indian subcontinent, what is stopping all the mentioned caste people from converting now? Did they stop seeing the light of Islam?

You need to address this question to your compatriots who raised the query to which that was the response,i.e. posts #8 and #18.
 
They stopped seeing the light of Islam now? Considering how so many Rajputs, Jatts, Khatris, Gujjars, Brahmins have converted to Islam when Foreign Muslim rulers occupied Indian subcontinent, what is stopping all the mentioned caste people from converting now? Did they stop seeing the light of Islam?

He was being sarcastic.
 
Because Hindus cannot hold their ground and survive in tough conditions?

Islam and abrahamic religion are in general barbaric. It's politics as well besides religion. I am however sure by the end of twenty first century this world would be dominated by atheists.
A proud atheist!
 
Islam and abrahamic religion are in general barbaric. It's politics as well besides religion. I am however sure by the end of twenty first century this world would be dominated by atheists.
A proud atheist!

Inshallah one day Muslims will learn from the Burmese buddhists how to display tolerance and kindness to members of their minority communities.
 
Inshallah one day Muslims will learn from the Burmese buddhists how to display tolerance and kindness to members of their minority communities.

What if burmese budhists have themselves learnt from them ??
 
This is an old story, the Rohingya denied this and blamed it on the government.

We do know the Rohingya have attacked Bhuddists and the Myanmar security forces but who can blame them after suffering waves of brutal ethnic cleansing.
 
This is an old story, the Rohingya denied this and blamed it on the government.

We do know the Rohingya have attacked Bhuddists and the Myanmar security forces but who can blame them after suffering waves of brutal ethnic cleansing.

This is the latest one . That was the old story,you are talking about. Although not surprised to see you not condemning it. You didnt even condemn chineese as well in other thread.
 
This is the latest one . That was the old story,you are talking about. Although not surprised to see you not condemning it. You didnt even condemn chineese as well in other thread.

Why do you waste your time. Hindu deaths don't count. There are so many other human deaths to mourn over.
 
This is the latest one . That was the old story,you are talking about. Although not surprised to see you not condemning it. You didnt even condemn chineese as well in other thread.

Please read more carefully.

"According to the report, on 25 August last year,"

I condemn whoever killed these people whether it was Rohingas or the Myanmar forces but ironic an Indian friend would mention condemnation when none have ever condemned the murders of people in Kashmir. If I remember you justify it by blaming stones being thrown .
 
Rohingya Refugees are different from Rohingya Militants, its similar to how Tamils displaced in Lanka were not all LTTE.

The only reason for me to put this thread was its very complex story and how religion will always be a tool of destruction in our part of the world.

People denying the story should remember then they are discrediting Amnesty,which is the one talking about most human rights violations that get shared on this forum, so hopefully they will be discrediting them as well.
 
Mynamar and Indian army- A match made in heaven.
Shame on India for showing it's back to poor Rohingya Muslims.
I hope Pakistan take them in thus reaffirming their stance as the protectors of Muslims all around the world.

Anyway quite hypocritical of Indians to take moral high ground when their own army has been on a killing spree in Kashmir slaughtering millions of Sikhs and Muslims and orchestrating Pundit genocide.
Sad
 
What can we gain from these Rohingyas, even in a best case scenario? We are hardly short of labour, particular of the unskilled kind.
 
Inshallah one day Muslims will learn from the Burmese buddhists how to display tolerance and kindness to members of their minority communities.

Well I guess bit of research you would have found the tolerance displayed by ghauri, ghazni, abdali, bin Qasim, butshikan, Nader shah, aurangzeb etc.
 
Mynamar and Indian army- A match made in heaven.
Shame on India for showing it's back to poor Rohingya Muslims.
I hope Pakistan take them in thus reaffirming their stance as the protectors of Muslims all around the world.

Anyway quite hypocritical of Indians to take moral high ground when their own army has been on a killing spree in Kashmir slaughtering millions of Sikhs and Muslims and orchestrating Pundit genocide.
Sad

Guess ur own army isn't washed with milk either with things happening in balochistan and Fata
 
Well I guess bit of research you would have found the tolerance displayed by ghauri, ghazni, abdali, bin Qasim, butshikan, Nader shah, aurangzeb etc.

Sufis played a pivotal role in the spread of Islam in Subcontinent.
If the Muslim rulers were so cruel then how come even today India is 80% Hindu?
The above-mentioned people bar Alamgir (Who btw had been demonised by modern Hindutva propagandists despite being a pious and tolerant ruler who issued Farmaans to repair many temples in his kingdom) were simply Invaders who didn't represent any religion. Every civilization had it's share of maniacs. Can't generalize Islam based on acts of handful of these robbers.
 
Sufis played a pivotal role in the spread of Islam in Subcontinent.
If the Muslim rulers were so cruel then how come even today India is 80% Hindu?
The above-mentioned people bar Alamgir (Who btw had been demonised by modern Hindutva propagandists despite being a pious and tolerant ruler who issued Farmaans to repair many temples in his kingdom) were simply Invaders who didn't represent any religion. Every civilization had it's share of maniacs. Can't generalize Islam based on acts of handful of these robbers.
Sufi Islam was in Kerala the moment attacks started happening the peaceful way it stopped, also everybody know a lot of them were cruel, you got to hand it to the will power as well of Hindus that unlike some a lot of them layed their lives but didn't convert and no Aurangzeb wasn't demonised for no reason, the killing of his own brother and beheading of guru teg bahadur, and regarding invaders part, yes they were invaders but they were driven by religion too, they did it in the name of religion and that is the fact, gave option to people convert or die some agreed, some didn't.
 
Sufi Islam was in Kerala the moment attacks started happening the peaceful way it stopped, also everybody know a lot of them were cruel, you got to hand it to the will power as well of Hindus that unlike some a lot of them layed their lives but didn't convert and no Aurangzeb wasn't demonised for no reason, the killing of his own brother and beheading of guru teg bahadur, and regarding invaders part, yes they were invaders but they were driven by religion too, they did it in the name of religion and that is the fact, gave option to people convert or die some agreed, some didn't.

1)Sufism unlike other sects and religions condemns and renounces violence. The Great Shanshah Akbar was a follower of sufism too and mA look at the prosperity and well being it brought to his kingdom. A man of peace he was. Never resorted to killing innocents like those Jahils of Kerala who have wrongly interpreted the message and strayed from the path.

2)Stop lying through your teeth. Hindus did convert en masse. 90 percent of what is today Pakistan was Hindu once , same goes for Indian Musalamans.

3) Fratricide to get to throne was a common thing back in the day. Even the Great Ashoka whom Indians admire and worship usurped the throne by killing his older brothers. History ain't no black and white. Shahanshah Alamgir was a man of peace who repaird several prominent Hindu temples in his kingdom.

4) People have been manipulating ideologies since time immemorial for their personal gains all the time. Doesn't mean the ideology in itself is wrong.

If you want to blame anyone then start with the defenders of your religion, the Rajputs , a class of cowardly people who got easily subjugated and bowed down to superior Muslim rulers because they weren't brave enough to protect their kingdoms and populace. Simple as that.
 
Sufis played a pivotal role in the spread of Islam in Subcontinent.
If the Muslim rulers were so cruel then how come even today India is 80% Hindu?
The above-mentioned people bar Alamgir (Who btw had been demonised by modern Hindutva propagandists despite being a pious and tolerant ruler who issued Farmaans to repair many temples in his kingdom) were simply Invaders who didn't represent any religion. Every civilization had it's share of maniacs. Can't generalize Islam based on acts of handful of these robbers.

You moved to Chennai bro? ;-)
 
1)Sufism unlike other sects and religions condemns and renounces violence. The Great Shanshah Akbar was a follower of sufism too and mA look at the prosperity and well being it brought to his kingdom. A man of peace he was. Never resorted to killing innocents like those Jahils of Kerala who have wrongly interpreted the message and strayed from the path.

2)Stop lying through your teeth. Hindus did convert en masse. 90 percent of what is today Pakistan was Hindu once , same goes for Indian Musalamans.

3) Fratricide to get to throne was a common thing back in the day. Even the Great Ashoka whom Indians admire and worship usurped the throne by killing his older brothers. History ain't no black and white. Shahanshah Alamgir was a man of peace who repaird several prominent Hindu temples in his kingdom.

4) People have been manipulating ideologies since time immemorial for their personal gains all the time. Doesn't mean the ideology in itself is wrong.

If you want to blame anyone then start with the defenders of your religion, the Rajputs , a class of cowardly people who got easily subjugated and bowed down to superior Muslim rulers because they weren't brave enough to protect their kingdoms and populace. Simple as that.

Hindus did convert but it wasn't just peaceful conversions it was forced and lured conversions too, alamgir was anything but peaceful, the vishwanath problem and Krishna janambhoomi problem is his doing along with destruction of many main temples, rajputs are anything but cowards may be some but not all from Chauhan, bappa rawal,maharana pratap they were brave and Akbar started his own religion deen-e -illahi ,Sufism is like devotion which has been criticized by lots of Muslim's as well. See people often mistook of Hinduism as a polyathiestic religion while in reality it's a polysect religion. Monoathiest,poly(which has 5 principal god's but of which 4 are worshipped), atheists and rationalists.
 
Well I guess bit of research you would have found the tolerance displayed by ghauri, ghazni, abdali, bin Qasim, butshikan, Nader shah, aurangzeb etc.

Please don't start dragging history into this unless you want me to start quoting ancient Hindu texts like Manu Smitri and the terrors inflicted on low borns and women.
 
Please don't start dragging history into this unless you want me to start quoting ancient Hindu texts like Manu Smitri and the terrors inflicted on low borns and women.
Go on unless you want me to tell the mess that is happening against everyone in Land of pure and the punishment for infidels
 
Go on unless you want me to tell the mess that is happening against everyone in Land of pure and the punishment for infidels

Or we could just stick to the topic and talk about what is happening in Myanmar and stick to the context rather than trolling. But whichever way you want to go is ok with me.
 
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