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Ross Taylor is seriously underrated

He just played one of the all time great ODI innings. Was injured and hobbled the last one third of the way.
 
Said so a few weeks back that Ross was a classy batsman. With Guptill, Ross and others New Zealand are not to be taken lightly anymore.
 
One of New Zealand's finest ever batsman.

Still remember his 2011 world cup innings against Pak, he kept scoring 6 after 6. Almost played a gun innings in the 2015 cricket world cup final.
 
Definitely one of the most underrated players of this generation along with Herath, Morne Morkel and Philander.
 
A brilliant knock by Taylor against England. He did what Kane failed to do in the 3rd ODI.

Easily the best Kiwi batsmen of all time.
 
KingKhanWC said:
lol. Is this a comparison thread?

He is also better than ANY Indian batsmen apart from Kohli.
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He has done enough in the last few years to become the #4 ODI batsman of this era after Kohli, Dhoni and de Villiers, although the South African can never play a gutsy innings like this. He would play a flash innings and then throw it away without finishing the job, something that he has done very often in his career.

He might be just about ahead of Rohit and Dhawan at this point, but it is close. Then you have the likes of Warner, QdK and Root in the mix as well.
 
Mamoon said:
He has done enough in the last few years to become the #4 ODI batsman of this era after Kohli, Dhoni and de Villiers, although the South African can never play a gutsy innings like this. He would play a flash innings and then throw it away without finishing the job, something that he has done very often in his career.

He might be just about ahead of Rohit and Dhawan at this point, but it is close. Then you have the likes of Warner, QdK and Root in the mix as well.
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These are just your opinions.

My point was why bring Amla into it when Taylor is better than Sharma, Dhawan and very other Indian bastmen playing right now apart from Kohli?
 
KingKhanWC said:
These are just your opinions.

My point was why bring Amla into it when Taylor is better than Sharma, Dhawan and very other Indian bastmen playing right now apart from Kohli?
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Because he is talked about the best ODI batsman of this era after Kohli, de Villiers and Dhoni. The fact is that he is not as good as Taylor and the other names that I mentioned in my previous post. An extremely overrated ODI player, and a living proof of how misleading statistics can be.
 
People bash Amla because he has great stats but fon't tell full story. Amla has no second gear, can't handle pressure and can't adjust his batting according to run rate. Amla has better stats than all of his contemporaries bar AB and Dhoni, so he will always be bashed until his average drops below 50.
 
Fantastic knock by Taylor!

Got so close to bring the record for the highest score in the 2nd innings of an ODI (held by Shane Watson's 185* vs Bangladesh). Wish he hit the winning six to win the match and break the record instead of Latham.
 
PakLFC said:
I would say it's Martin Crowe. A man of Martin's ability should have scored far more runs then he did.
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I think Taylor has surpassed him in odis.In tests, he is behind Crowe and Williamson.
 
Taylor playing yet another quality inning. His late-bloomer is probably the only reason NZ have managed to have a decent batting lineup.
 
Ab Fan said:
Taylor playing yet another quality inning. His late-bloomer is probably the only reason NZ have managed to have a decent batting lineup.
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This has been anything but a quality innings. He's played over 120 deliveries at a SR of below 70, with the 48th over beginning.
 
Horrible character. There is a reason McCullum doesn't like him (and he likes everyone!)
 
Should have upped the pace of his innings earlier today - I know he was rebuilding but when you’re at the crease for 45+ overs you need a better strike rate than 71.

Nevertheless, he’s been playing really well these last few years.
 
Ross against PAK is becoming what Sir Don was against ENG for 2 decades. Countless times, he was the only difference for a better English generation to lose to AUS. Only time they could manage him to struggle (if in a low scoring series, average of 56 is struggle!!), they won 4-1. Before that in his debut series 4-1 as well (& both times in AUS !!!), but that time he was simply Donald Bradman.
 
CricFan2012 said:
How is he a horrible character for calling out a chucker?

That is calling a cheater in an exam.
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If you, as a student, call out someone for cheating in an exam, you're generally barred from completing the exam.

It's called staying in your lane. Taylor is a batsman, not an umpire.
 
The kind of innings he's played in the last two innings, I don't think any opposition would mind. He makes Misbah look good.
 
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Decent in ODIs :rosco
 
Since the start of 2017 only Kohli averages more than Ross Taylor in ODIs. What a player. That eye surgery sure helped him.
 
Always enjoyed watching him bat.

A few years ago I was lucky enough to watch him batting in the indoor nets at close quarters - what a clean hitter of the ball he is.
 
mak36 said:
Horrible character. There is a reason McCullum doesn't like him (and he likes everyone!)
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Even as a die hard fan of Pakistan cricket, if I met Ross Taylor I would shake his hand and thank him for pointing out such a dodgy action from a repeat offender who is infamous for conveniently altering his action when he's struggling with the legal one. It's blatant premeditated cheating.

Before we begin the character assassinations of other opposition perhaps we need to fix our house first. Your reaction is exactly what a lot of fans thought of Shane Watson but guess what I knew he was right from day one about Ajmal.
 
topspin said:
Even as a die hard fan of Pakistan cricket, if I met Ross Taylor I would shake his hand and thank him for pointing out such a dodgy action from a repeat offender who is infamous for conveniently altering his action when he's struggling with the legal one. It's blatant premeditated cheating.

Before we begin the character assassinations of other opposition perhaps we need to fix our house first. Your reaction is exactly what a lot of fans thought of Shane Watson but guess what I knew he was right from day one about Ajmal.
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Watson wasn't right because at that time Ajmal wasn't called. What Taylor did was poor sportsmanship. In any sport it;s not the job of the players to officate or advise the officials on what they should do.

Taylor as a batsmen is pure class. Yesterday he demoralised the SL bowlers to score a brilliant century. Having an average start to his ODI career, in the latter half Taylor has been as good as anyone in recent years.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Watson wasn't right because at that time Ajmal wasn't called. What Taylor did was poor sportsmanship. In any sport it;s not the job of the players to officate or advise the officials on what they should do.

Taylor as a batsmen is pure class. Yesterday he demoralised the SL bowlers to score a brilliant century. Having an average start to his ODI career, in the latter half Taylor has been as good as anyone in recent years.
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I understand that as a batsman you shouldn't get involved in these situations as a matter of principal however both Taylor and Watson were 100% convinced that Hafeez and Ajmal respectively were chucking - both of these spinners have been guilty of this. At the end of the day a batsman's career and the team's fortunes in the contest are on the line so why should they put up with it when they know what they're seeing isn't legal.

We can agree to disagree whether Watson was right or not but the fact is Ajmal was banned and ineffective after remodelling his action on his return, so ultimately he was proven to be correct.

Ross Taylor is a class act and for me just sits a tier below the likes Kohli, Smith, Williamson and Root as an all format batsman. Ever since the 2011 WC game he's one of the few batsmen who's consistently managed to get the wood on Pakistan.
 
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topspin said:
I understand that as a batsman you shouldn't get involved in these situations as a matter of principal however both Taylor and Watson were 100% convinced that Hafeez and Ajmal respectively were chucking - both of these spinners have been guilty of this. At the end of the day a batsman's career and the team's fortunes in the contest are on the line so why should they put up with it when they know what they're seeing isn't legal.

We can agree to disagree whether Watson was right or not but the fact is Ajmal was banned and ineffective after remodelling his action on his return, so ultimately he was proven to be correct.

Ross Taylor is a class act and for me just sits a tier below the likes Kohli, Smith, Williamson and Root as an all format batsman. Ever since the 2011 WC game he's one of the few batsmen who's consistently managed to get the wood on Pakistan.
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If Im correct when Taylor called him out Hafeez, he was bowling with his new action , which is perferctly fine and why the umpires dismissed him immediatly to carry on bowling. Ajmal may have been dodgy but there are others too. Do you think Waston would ever call out an Indian spinner such as Ashwin who has looked dodgy since day 1? It always seem to be Pakistan whether it's spin, reverse swing etc.

For me in ODI Taylor is above Root and Williamson. It's a tight call between him, Crowe and Williamson as NZ all time great batsmen.
 
He's still good on flat wickets and that's what we'll get at the World Cup. Guptill, Kane, Ross, Nichols, Neesham, Seifert and I'd like to see Latham as a pure batting opener . That's a quality lineup. Can beat any team on their day including England if they all happen to fire.
 
His performance after his eye surgery has been sensational. GOAT ODI batsman at least from NZ and only Kane will possibly overtake him.
 
One of the reasons why is not considered an elite batsman is because he doesn’t pace his innings well.

Even during his golden year, his strike rate is still around 86 which is nothing special, and this includes a few innings where his strike rate was 100+.

He plays too many 30 (50) type knocks. When he doesn’t score big, he plays inconsequential innings and gets bogged down easily.

However, he is still a top player and definitely underrated.
 
Ross Taylor becomes New Zealand’s leading ODI runscorer

Ross Taylor has now scored more ODI runs for New Zealand than any other batsman.

The right-hander surpassed Stephen Fleming’s tally of 8,007 runs during the course of his innings of 64 against Bangladesh in the third ODI at Dunedin on 20 February. He also passed 8,000 runs during the innings, becoming the fourth-fastest batsman to the mark, behind Virat Kohli, AB de Villiers, and Sourav Ganguly.

Long established as one of his country’s greatest ever batsmen, this is simply another accolade to add to the list for Taylor, who has more ODI centuries and half-centuries than any of his countrymen, as well as boasting the highest average of any New Zealand batsman with more than 500 ODI runs.

However, one milestone still eludes him. With Fleming having turned out not just for New Zealand, but for the ICC World XI during his ODI career, his overall ODI runs tally sits at 8,037, an agonising 11 runs clear of where Taylor ended his innings. With the fixtures against Bangladesh set to be New Zealand's last international engagements before this summer's Men's Cricket World Cup, it might be that Taylor has to wait until gracing the grandest stage of all to finally break Fleming's record.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1057950
 
Not talked about enough because he isn’t indian but what a batsman this guy has proved to be.
Brilliant for New Zealand!
 
ODIs: -

Taylor
Astle
Crowe
Guptill
Williamson

Tests(not going too far): -

Crowe
Williamson(till now)
Fleming
Taylor
McCullum

Overall: -

Crowe
Williamson
Taylor
Fleming
McCullum
 
Brilliant player and a great achievement. He is one of the few Kiwi players who has actually done justice to the talent he possess. Williamson is the other one in recent times.
 
I hope he sustains this for the WC. He and Kane are the backbone of this side and we need them badly to perform.
 
The NZ will not not in top 4 team once he retires. He has been so instrumental for NZ in recent years, his batting has kept his team competing with the best.

Will take a special batsman to replace him.
 
shah_1 said:
The NZ will not not in top 4 team once he retires. He has been so instrumental for NZ in recent years, his batting has kept his team competing with the best.

Will take a special batsman to replace him.
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Will Young looks promising. Scored 2 centuries and a fifty in Aus against their first choice Aus bowling line up in a A tour before he WC.
 
Very underrated. It maybe a late bloomer but he is making a strong argument for being considered a great batsmen and not just a very good one.
 
Very underrated batsman in many occasions I have seen him outbatted Kane Williamson.
He is already Newzealand best odi batsman of all time.
 
TBH all NZ players are underrated. Latham has been the best test opener for the last 3 years and no one talks about him. Warping has been the best wicket keeper batsman and no one talks about him. Ross Taylor is very often overlooked. Nicholls has actually had a really good couple years but he too is always over looked.

People just want to talk about Quintin de Kock, KL Rahul, Jason Roy, David Warner, Buttler etc.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It was a dream to play one Test - but to achieve the all-time NZ runs record is truly humbling. Thanks to everyone who’s helped me along the way! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvNZ</a> &#55357;&#56567; = photosportnz @ Sydney Cricket Ground (SCG) <a href="https://t.co/05TW0pvGbO">https://t.co/05TW0pvGbO</a></p>— Ross Taylor (@RossLTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossLTaylor/status/1214103246047977473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2020</a></blockquote>
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3rd best NZ batsman of all time (after Kane Williamson and Martin Crowe).
 
Superb batsman in his time, but 35 now and in obvious and significant decline.
 
Very good batsmen. Even better in ODIs. Still good enough to play for NZ for two-three more years.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It was a dream to play one Test - but to achieve the all-time NZ runs record is truly humbling. Thanks to everyone who’s helped me along the way! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvNZ</a> &#55357;&#56567; = photosportnz @ Sydney Cricket Ground (SCG) <a href="https://t.co/05TW0pvGbO">https://t.co/05TW0pvGbO</a></p>— Ross Taylor (@RossLTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossLTaylor/status/1214103246047977473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Wow am shock to see daniel vettori so high up on that list. I know he could bat, didnt realize he got that many test runs.
 
Criminally underrated but his own fault for not being consistent enough.
 
Ab Fan said:
He has been poor in Asia and averages a meagre 7 in South Africa.
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I've watched both, Taylor is definitely the better player.

Don't need stats to tell me anything when I've seen both their careers.
 
Emotional Taylor credits Martin Crowe after scaling Test record

An emotional Ross Taylor spoke of Martin Crowe’s hand in influencing and shaping his red-ball aspirations, on the day he became New Zealand’s highest run-scorer in Tests.

In one of the few bright spots, as his team slipped to a 279-run defeat to Australia at the Sydney Cricket Ground and lost the series 3-0, Taylor went past Stephen Fleming’s career tally of 7,172 runs during his 22 on Monday, 6 January.

Speaking at the post-match press conference, Taylor spoke of how he had always believed in himself as a white-ball batsman, and how Crowe helped him see past that to become a serious Test batsman. "My goal was to play one Test match,” he said. “I guess it's an emotional time because my mentor Martin Crowe, that was one of the goals he put down for me was to be New Zealand's highest Test run-scorer. To be honest, I didn't believe him, but I'd have loved for him to be here and help celebrate.

"When I first played for New Zealand, I'd had a pretty decent one-day career and only scored three or four first-class hundreds and Twenty20 was just coming through.

"I always thought I was good enough to play one-day cricket, but Test cricket was something I was never quite sure if I was good enough. That's why I'd seek Martin's help to become a better player than the raw, gay abandon player that I was as a youngster."

At 35, Taylor is closer to the end of his career than he is to its beginning, but he believes he still has much value to add to the New Zealand outfit by imparting the wisdom he has gained from his years of experience.

"I still feel I'm good enough to play at this level and feel like I've still got something to offer the team and New Zealand Cricket and the youngsters coming through,” he said. "I don't want to just hang on to just play cricket I still want to feel I earn the right in this side and am still good enough to play.”

As for his aspirations, Taylor wished to see his record broken and for the next generation to set the bar even higher for New Zealand cricket. "Records are meant to be broken,” he said, “and, hopefully, I can give Kane [Williamson] something to chase and then he can set the bar high for the next person to come along."
https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1562875
 
New Zealand batsman Ross Taylor became the third men's cricketer to play in 100 T20Is during the fifth and final match of the series at Mount Maunganui. Pakistan's Shoaib Malik and India's Rohit Sharma are the only two players to have achieved the feat in the shortest format so far. A Kiwi veteran, Taylor has scored 1856 runs in T20Is so far.

Taylor will also become the only player in cricket history to play over 100 matches in all the three formats of the game if he plays in the first Test against India later this month in Wellington.

The New Zealand batsman has appeared for the side in 99 Tests and 228 ODIs.

Rohit, meanwhile, became the only second men's batsman to play in 100 T20I innings. Malik is the only other batsman to do so.

The Indian limited-overs vice-captain was rested for the fourth T20I but returned as captain in the final match of the series after Virat Kohli opted to rest. Rohit Sharma has scored four centuries in the shortest format so far, scoring 2725 runs in T20Is before this game.

Earlier, India won the toss and opted to bat against New Zealand in the fifth and final T20 here on Sunday. India lead the five-match series 4-0.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/...-matches-rohit-sharma-100-t20i-innings-585203
 
Junaids said:
Superb batsman in his time, but 35 now and in obvious and significant decline.
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Why do you always need to mention a players age when talking about them lol? His best run of his career has actually been in the last couple of years. If you had been selector you would have not selected him!
 
^ Good point. Taylor was actually a good batsmen in his 20s but it's after he crossed 30 that he transformed himself from a good to what we call a great batsmen.

Coming back to thread, I will rate him the second best test bat to have come from NZ ever behind Martin Crowe and NZ's best ever in ODI cricket.
 
He looks somewhat less motivated. Also he looks somewhat restricted in shot making. His timing is not all that consistent.
 
Hasan123 said:
Why do you always need to mention a players age when talking about them lol? His best run of his career has actually been in the last couple of years. If you had been selector you would have not selected him!
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Ross Taylor in Australia aged 31:
405 runs in 3 Tests at 81.00

Ross Taylor in Australia aged 35:
152 runs in 3 Tests at 25.33

Azhar Ali in Australia aged 31:
406 runs in 3 Tests at 81.20

Azhar Ali in Australia aged 34:
62 runs in 3 Tests at 15.50

It’s just the Law of Diminishing Returns: the older most batsmen get, the worse the ravages of Father Time are.

Only dead Asian wickets provide some respite.
 
He still makes runs but his Ross The Boss days are long gone. He's now clearly the Bobby to Kane Williamson.

Choking three easy wins is quite bad for a seasoned player.

Sometimes his one dimensional totally based on let side hacks gets badly exposed.
 
Junaids said:
Ross Taylor in Australia aged 31:
405 runs in 3 Tests at 81.00

Ross Taylor in Australia aged 35:
152 runs in 3 Tests at 25.33

Azhar Ali in Australia aged 31:
406 runs in 3 Tests at 81.20

Azhar Ali in Australia aged 34:
62 runs in 3 Tests at 15.50

It’s just the Law of Diminishing Returns: the older most batsmen get, the worse the ravages of Father Time are.

Only dead Asian wickets provide some respite.
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So you judge batters solely on how they perform in Australia lol? Taylor has been scoring in ODIs in the last few years.
 
Ross Taylor's test AVG in last four years are:-

2016- AVG 60( Age -32)
2017- AVG 81( Age -33)
2018- AVG 23( Age- 34)
2019- AVG 55( Age- 35)

In 2020, he has played only one inning.
 
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Very good batter across formats keeping aside his test struggles against Indian spinners in India and against SA pacers in SA.

At same level as Yousuf?
 
freelance_cricketer said:
He still makes runs but his Ross The Boss days are long gone. He's now clearly the Bobby to Kane Williamson.

Choking three easy wins is quite bad for a seasoned player.

Sometimes his one dimensional totally based on let side hacks gets badly exposed.
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Ross is still the boss.
 
What a player.

Easily the best ODI batsman NZ has produced an an All Time Great in ODI.
 
So underrated by the stat brigade. Batting at 4 you will not get that many hundreds in this era of easy runs scoring for the top 3.
Taylor has been a champion ODI batsman.
 
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