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1. If 20% of ball is hitting on review after umpire gave not out, it’s out - not umpires call! This is enough to knock the bails off.

2. If ball hits batsman while he is diving - it’s a dead ball

3. If super over is a tie go to # of wickets or head to head, not # of boundaries!

Sorry for you NZ! Stay strong.
 
1. If 20% of ball is hitting on review after umpire gave not out, it’s out - not umpires call! This is enough to knock the bails off.

2. If ball hits batsman while he is diving - it’s a dead ball

3. If super over is a tie go to # of wickets or head to head, not # of boundaries!

Sorry for you NZ! Stay strong.

Agree or for number 3 continue with the super over until you have a winner
 
All 3 went against us in a WC Final...

Could have been avoided... to have a WC decided on boundaries is not something to be proud of.
 
To summarise the moaning and groaning that will follow here:

Change any rule that costed Pakistan and benefited England.
 
To summarise the moaning and groaning that will follow here:

Change any rule that costed Pakistan and benefited England.

You are the biggest moaner and groaner on this website. To any person who even has a semblance of a brain, 2 and 3 are fair points.
 
There are more.

1. Any matches rained off should be rescheduled between the last group game and the first semi final. The whole basis of your tournament is to have every team face each other. If at the end of the day they don't, what is the point of this format

2. If the super over is a tie, play another one. NBA has OT until there is a result, it should be the same in cricket. It's a World Cup final for gods sake.
 
You are the biggest moaner and groaner on this website. To any person who even has a semblance of a brain, 2 and 3 are fair points.

he is on the moon but this team will never match the australian team who won the wc and test series all over the world.
 
ICC Rule Making body needs to change & be more transparent

A familiar grouse with ICC is that the rules of the game are arbitrary - logically not sound nor understood by the players themselves, reactive rather than being pro-active & also not encompassing the technological advancement in the world. Probability a result of the fact that the rule-making in concentrated in the hands of few oldies of the MCC club in the name of tradition, who are far away from the modern game. What will it take for the ICC to step away from the ‘custodian of the game’ non-sense & have a global rule-making body encompassing technical & technological representatives from all the nations? Updated transparent rules are a necessity, not tradition.
 
Do ICC need to change the overthrows rule?

Forget the umpires awarding 6 runs instead of 5, should overthrows off of batsman be disallowed?
Its not in the hands of the fielding team and in situations like this could be the difference between winning and losing
 
Overthrow rule is fine but if it deflects off batsman then no extra run should be allowed.
 
Yes. It is tragic how unfair this was to NZ. Nobody cares if this happens in over 20 when it won't make a huge difference but for it to happen at the very end, and for nothing less than the world cup being awarded on the back of it, is just too cruel.

The ICC is lucky that this happened to the most polite team in world cricket. Just imagine if this happened to more hot headed countries aka India, Pakistan or even Bangladesh. There would be riots on the streets!
 
Yes it needs a change. You can't punish good Fielding.
To add to this, it was always a poor law. The reason it's been a rule law for so long is that usually batsmen wouldn't run anyways, this is one of the rare times it's gone for a boundary. What makes it worse is it was the biggest occasion of them all.
 
New Zealand coach wants rules review after 'hollow' World Cup defeat

New Zealand coach Gary Stead has called for the Cricket World Cup's rules to be overhauled, labelling the showpiece final “hollow” after England defeated the Black Caps on a technicality.

The teams could not be separated at the end of both regular play and a Super Over shootout, so England were handed victory because they had a superior boundary count.

“It's a very, very hollow feeling that you can play 100 overs and score the same amount of runs and still lose the game, but that's the technicalities of sport,” Stead told reporters in remarks released by New Zealand Cricket on Tuesday.

He said such a thrilling match, which has been hailed by many experts as the greatest one-day game in history, deserved a better way to determine the result.

“There's going to be many things they look at over the whole tournament — I'm sure when they were writing the rules they never expected a World Cup final to happen like that,” he said.

“I'm sure it'll be reviewed (and) there's many different ways that they'll probably explore.”

Stead shrugged off suggestions England had been mistakenly handed an extra run after a throw from a fielder hit the bat of a diving Ben Stokes' and deflected to the boundary in the final over of regular play.

England were awarded six runs but former umpire Simon Taufel said they should only have got five as the batsmen had not crossed for their second run when the throw was made.

Taufel told Fox Sports Australia that the umpires had made a “clear mistake”, as the batsmen had not crossed for their second run when the ball was thrown in by the fielder.

“They should have been awarded five runs, not six,” he said, adding that England's Adil Rashid should have faced the second-last ball instead of Stokes.

“I didn't actually know that,” Stead said about the freak fielding incident. “But at the end of the day the umpires are there to rule.

“They're human as well, like players, and sometimes there's a mistake but that's just the human aspect of sport.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1494412/new-zealand-coach-wants-rules-review-after-hollow-world-cup-defeat
 
Cricket rules which require urgent attention from the ICC

I suppose the first "harshness" of the playing rules to pop out from the recently concluded ODI World Cup was the net run-rate rule which was used as a tie-breaker to advance one team to the semi-finals in the event of ending up with the equal number of points on the table. Whilst it may look harsh, but I still think it´s a fair way to decide, especially given the lack of better alternatives. If people do end up coming up with better alternatives, I´m all for a change. However, below are a number of rules which require urgent attention on the part of the ICC.

1. The Umpire´s Call system:

..... Something should seriously done about the Umpire´s Call system. It leaves too much room for the decisions to go in the favour of one team. Purely by probability, you can have three batsmen from one team not being given out on the Umpire´s Call, and three given out from the other team based on the same system - even if the ball is hitting the stumps on exactly the same spot on all six occasions. I know I´m exaggerating in numbers but we´ve seen it happen in international cricket on two to three occasions in matches.

^ http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-quot-Michael-Holding&p=10306265#post10306265 ^

This is a good enough reason to scrap it. We saw in the match between Australia and the West Indies I think where two batsmen from Australia were adjudged not out, and two from the West Indies were adjudged LBW. Don´t tell me that it was fair! We need to remove this probability, we need to eliminate this to make cricket a little bit more fair.

If the ball is any bit pitching in line, if the impact too is even marginally in line and even if the ball is just clipping the bails or one of the sides of the stumps, ALL batsmen should either be given out on that, or not out in this case. Just be done with this nonsense Umpire´s Call system.

2. One review for whole 300 balls is just too less.

As we saw it in the Final on Sunday, Guptill having wasted that precious review meant that Taylor couldn´t review the LBW decision even when the ball was clearly going over the stumps. It´s a little harsh that as a team you´re only allowed to make one error in judgment for the whole innings. I understand that allowing too many reviews would result in the wastage of time, but just one more review isn´t going to take too much time. If you want fairness in the game, then a minute of stoppage to play is perfectly fine. Another option would be to have a review for each of the 25 overs of the innings.

3. Overthrows off the bat should not result in runs.

I think it´s very cute and romantic that, upholding the spirit of the game, batsmen don´t run for extra runs if the ball rolls away after a deflection off their bat, but it should actually never come down to that at all. The rule requires a change. Any deflection off the bat or any body part of the batsmen, or even helmets etc., should never result in runs even if the ball goes away for four. It heavily changed the result of the World Cup Final on Sunday, and it could happen again on some big occasion if it´s not addressed right away!

4. Number of boundaries hit should never be a tie-breaker!

So, as I get it, the ICC is telling me that myself having run eight runs in an over is kind of a lesser effort than hitting two fours and playing out four dot balls in an over. How on earth and by what logic? Hitting more boundaries automatically means that you´ve played out more dot balls than the other team, and have wasted more number of deliveries in between the boundaries that you hit. What makes boundaries more precious than than the runs run with less dot balls?

Number of wickets lost is a better way to decide upon a winner. To my mind at least, it has no counter arguments, like the one I provided above for the scenario applied under the current rules. The other option could be to decide decide the winner upon the fewer number of balls played to reach a target, in case one of the teams get bowled out.

BUT SCRAP ALL THAT! Why not just play on? Surely, if those cricketers playing on are fit to play two more overs after the full 100 overs, then why can´t they just keep on playing the Super Over till we´ve a winner? It´s something that should definitely be there for an ICC tournament knockout match, especially a final. We want a clear winner, for God´s sake! However, if that can´t be done then just share the trophy and be done with it.

However, what we currently have in cricket, an equivalent of it in soccer for example would be, that if five penalties too are tied on the shoot-out, to choose a winner based on the number of chances created in the 120 minutes of play - completely overlooking that a chance missed is a chance successfully defended by the other team! *Pardon if the analogy just made no sense.*

5. Who bats first in the Super Over?

For no logical reasons, the current rules say that the team batting second gets to bat first in the Super Over. With just two wickets in hand for mere six balls, you cannot overlook that this gives an advantage to the team batting first. This is a plain foolish rule! Either let the captain decide who had won the toss before the match, or the toss should take place again. What logic on earth drives the fact that the team batting second should come out to bat again?

6. The ball should not be declared as dead after the umpire gives out.

This is a bit complicated and requires an explanation. I don´t have the relevant clause to shed light on this, but I shall explain through a couple of scenarios.

A) It´s a World Cup Final - yes, again (pardon the drama) - Pakistan require one run to tie the match, and two to win. Amir edges the ball to the keeper, the finger is raised, the match is over. However, in the hope of having a review left in the bank, Amir runs a "bye" off that delivery and goes upstairs. Here we found out that Amir never edged the ball to begin with, so it should be a valid bye run to have tied the match. We all celebrate, but we then find out that whereas the decision of him being dismissed is reversed, the run doesn´t count because the ball is declared dead the moment the umpire gives it out!

B) Again, the same happens. Pakistan require a boundary to win off the last ball. The ball hits the pad to then roll away to the boundary for a four. The umpire though has given it out. Shaheen Afridi reviews it. He has either hit the ball or the ball is missing the stumps anyway. Surely, the boundary should count and Pakistan should win, but no.... The ball was declared dead the moment raised his finger. Shaheen stays not out, Pakistan lose by three runs.

*Now, I raised this point on the forum in 2011 itself, when the introduction of the DRS was still fresh to the game. If in the meantime, this has been sorted out by the ICC, fair enough, just forget point five from my post. If it hasn´t been sorted out yet, now is the time to do it. All that cricket requires is some imaginative thinking on the part of the administrators.*

As an addition to the above is not necessarily a change of rule that I´d like to see, but maybe kind of a slight change to something: a bad decision is a bad decision, alright; part of the game. But it might well entirely possible be possible that the decision by the umpire´s to award Stokes/England a sixth run came as a result of the umpire´s not being either entirely aware in the heat of the moment, or having kind of overlooked the rules in tension. So there should be someone to intervene in case the umpire´s are acting contrary to the rules of the game. Ideally, the third umpire or the match referee too can do this job.
 
Another thing which needs to be scrapped is the Super Over in T20 cricket for non-knockout matches. We don´t have them for non-knockout ODI matches, why then do we´ve it for T20 cricket? A tied match is a part of the beauty of cricket, or sports in general, so why take it away even for matches where we don´t necessarily require a winner?
 
1) every match should have a reserve day by law. in case of rain delay, finish the alloted overs the next day instead. the india-new zealand match was a very good match, and it
was not have been rain curtailed. South Africa suffered in 2015 world cup semi final.

2) if 20 percent or or more of the ball hits the stumps it is out and not umpires call

3) if the ball hits the batsman or any part of the batsman or the stumps it is dead ball. (no overthrows)

4) super subs for injuries sustained on the field.

5) leg byes do not count as runs, why should a batting side benefit from runs if they are not from the bat i will never understand

6) one new ball , no more two new balls, bring back spinners and reverse swing, low scoring games are more exciting than batathons.

7) in case of tie in super over, have another super over, repeat until one team wins.

8) and finally, remove NRR, simply the higher ranked team qualifies in case of points tie.
 
A few rule changes and potential changes:

Following a two-year trial of concussion replacements in domestic cricket, the ICC approved concussion player replacements in all formats of men’s and women’s international cricket and for First-Class cricket worldwide.

This will be included in ICC playing conditions from 1 August 2019. Decisions on replacements will continue to be made by the team medical representative and the player should be a like-for-like replacement who will need to be approved by the Match Referee.

Following recommendations from the Cricket Committee regarding the pace of play and slow over rates in international cricket, the ICC agreed to the following:

Captains will no longer be suspended for repeated or serious over rate breaches.
All players should be held equally responsible for slow over rates, and as such will be fined at the same level as the captain.
In World Test Championship matches a team that is behind the required over rate at the end of a match will have two competition points deducted for each over it is behind.

The ICC endorsed the Cricket Committee recommendation that there should be further exploration of the use of replays to call No balls, and trials will be conducted over the coming months.
 
Cricket World Cup: Overthrows law that cost Black Caps the final against England to be reviewed

The overthrows law that played a significant part in the Black Caps' loss to England in the Cricket World Cup will be reviewed by the sport's lawmakers.

The Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC), the owner of Lord's and the guardian of the laws of the game, is planning on reviewing the controversial rule, reports The Times.

England were erroneously given an extra run in one of the key moments of the final, when umpires Marais Erasmus and Kumar Dharmasena awarded the eventual winners six overthrows after failing to spot that Ben Stokes and Adil Rashid had not crossed for a second run.

The mistake ultimately cost New Zealand who lost the final by zero runs, with England being crowned champions for having scored more boundaries in their innings.

Former leading umpire Simon Taufel pointed out the error after the match, saying England should have been awarded five runs instead of six.

Taufel, who was named ICC umpire of the year every year between 2004 and 2008, defended the officiating umpires but says they got it wrong.

"There was a judgment error on the overthrow," he told The Age and Sydney Morning Herald.

"The judgment error was the timing of when the fielder threw the ball. The act of the overthrow starts when the fielder releases the ball. That's the act.

"It becomes an overthrow from the instant of the throw."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12251188
 
I dont think overthrow rule off batsmen should
Be changed as it would be licence for fielding team to aggressively throw ball at players on purpose to intimidate them. Its part of beauty and randomness in ckt.
Also dead ball on review has to change as mentioned above.
The super over should have a toss also and the team losing the toss should also get the tie as win. Sort of similar as in chess armageddon where black wins with a draw but receives less time on clock compared to white.
 
6. The ball should not be declared as dead after the umpire gives out.

This is a bit complicated and requires an explanation. I don´t have the relevant clause to shed light on this, but I shall explain through a couple of scenarios.

A) It´s a World Cup Final - yes, again (pardon the drama) - Pakistan require one run to tie the match, and two to win. Amir edges the ball to the keeper, the finger is raised, the match is over. However, in the hope of having a review left in the bank, Amir runs a "bye" off that delivery and goes upstairs. Here we found out that Amir never edged the ball to begin with, so it should be a valid bye run to have tied the match. We all celebrate, but we then find out that whereas the decision of him being dismissed is reversed, the run doesn´t count because the ball is declared dead the moment the umpire gives it out!

B) Again, the same happens. Pakistan require a boundary to win off the last ball. The ball hits the pad to then roll away to the boundary for a four. The umpire though has given it out. Shaheen Afridi reviews it. He has either hit the ball or the ball is missing the stumps anyway. Surely, the boundary should count and Pakistan should win, but no.... The ball was declared dead the moment raised his finger. Shaheen stays not out, Pakistan lose by three runs.

*Now, I raised this point on the forum in 2011 itself, when the introduction of the DRS was still fresh to the game. If in the meantime, this has been sorted out by the ICC, fair enough, just forget point five from my post. If it hasn´t been sorted out yet, now is the time to do it. All that cricket requires is some imaginative thinking on the part of the administrators.*

As an addition to the above is not necessarily a change of rule that I´d like to see, but maybe kind of a slight change to something: a bad decision is a bad decision, alright; part of the game. But it might well entirely possible be possible that the decision by the umpire´s to award Stokes/England a sixth run came as a result of the umpire´s not being either entirely aware in the heat of the moment, or having kind of overlooked the rules in tension. So there should be someone to intervene in case the umpire´s are acting contrary to the rules of the game. Ideally, the third umpire or the match referee too can do this job.

I came here to write this but you have already mentioned it.

These scenario have the potential to cause another massive controversy should they ever become a reality.
 
1, umpires call should be removed, if ball is hitting wicket then out as long as its hitting in line and not pitching outside leg stump

2. Every batsman and every bowler should have 1 review each.

3.runs scored befre a dls should remain, unless batsman is given out!

4. Boundary count to decide ties removed.

5. Team sheets to be handed in after the toss.
 
I came here to write this but you have already mentioned it.

These scenario have the potential to cause another massive controversy should they ever become a reality.

Indeed. All that cricket requires on part of the administrators is a bit of foresight and imaginative thinking. Given what transpired during the Final on Sunday, we cannot afford to be lazy and just sit and relax in the hope that we´ll never come to such scenarios. However, cricket is being played since centuries, and will continue to be played. On a given day, such a scenario can take place, and it´ll make the authorities of the game very foolish - even more so if it happens in the final of a big tournament, or even a series-deciding match.

Wake up, ICC!
 
4. Number of boundaries hit should never be a tie-breaker!

So, as I get it, the ICC is telling me that myself having run eight runs in an over is kind of a lesser effort than hitting two fours and playing out four dot balls in an over. How on earth and by what logic? Hitting more boundaries automatically means that you´ve played out more dot balls than the other team, and have wasted more number of deliveries in between the boundaries that you hit. What makes boundaries more precious than than the runs run with less dot balls?

Number of wickets lost is a better way to decide upon a winner. To my mind at least, it has no counter arguments, like the one I provided above for the scenario applied under the current rules. The other option could be to decide decide the winner upon the fewer number of balls played to reach a target, in case one of the teams get bowled out.

BUT SCRAP ALL THAT! Why not just play on? Surely, if those cricketers playing on are fit to play two more overs after the full 100 overs, then why can´t they just keep on playing the Super Over till we´ve a winner? It´s something that should definitely be there for an ICC tournament knockout match, especially a final. We want a clear winner, for God´s sake! However, if that can´t be done then just share the trophy and be done with it.

However, what we currently have in cricket, an equivalent of it in soccer for example would be, that if five penalties too are tied on the shoot-out, to choose a winner based on the number of chances created in the 120 minutes of play - completely overlooking that a chance missed is a chance successfully defended by the other team! *Pardon if the analogy just made no sense.*

From what I read yesterday in the news, the ICC has addressed point four from my post. The Super Over will now keep on going till we´ve a clear winner. Thank God for that!
 
1 to win from the last ball, Sean Abbott bowls a no-ball and Rinki Singh hits a 6.
But the 6 doesn't count (only the no ball does). They should just count it.


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Umpires to no longer check for caught behind while reviewing stumping appeal​


The ICC has made a change in the playing conditions, according to which the TV umpire will not check for a caught behind when a stumping appeal is referred by the on-field umpires.

The modification came into effect on December 12, 2023, and now if a team wants to review the caught behind when the keeper has also removed the bails, it will have to do so separately via the DRS.

In the series against India early last year, there were several instances when Australian wicketkeeper Alex Carey would appeal for a stumping, and during the referral the TV umpire would also check for an edge without a DRS review being used. Now, stumping referrals will only display images from the side-on camera and umpires will not check for a nick.

"The change confines a stumping review to only check for stumped, therefore preventing the fielding team a free review for other modes of dismissal (i.e, caught behind) without choosing a player review," read ICC's new amendment.

The ICC has also brought more clarity to the concussion substitution rule. Now, the substitute player will not be permitted to bowl if the replaced player was suspended from bowling at the time of the concussion. The ICC also has limited to four minutes the time set for on field injury assessment and treatment.


Source : PTI
 
Even though the ball hit the batter's glove, and the fielder caught it, it was not out, because the bat was not in the hand when there was impact.
But if they ran, it would have counted as a run
a dumb rule that needs to be change.

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Bring back old odi rules, 1 ball i.e., reverse swing.
A super Ball(when bowler is on hat trick )like No-Ball where no fielding restrictions, benefit of doubt goes for bowler , even umpire call should be considered as out.
Bigger Boundaries
Remove No Ball after two bouncers , how about limiting batter to only 2 leg side shots.. Its ridiculous
 
In a significant development, there are reports that the ICC is looking to get away with the two-ball rule in ODI cricket. Notably, the fifty-over format has been under the scanner for a few years, as several cricketers have complained about its dying nature.

Meanwhile, the bowlers too have had a complaint against the ICC for introducing two balls in ODIs, which takes away the reverse swing from the game and the format was accused of favouring the batters. However, in the latest events, according to a report from Cricbuzz, the ICC is looking to amend the new rule.

Notably, the International Cricket Council isn't looking to completely get away with two new balls but is looking to tweak the rules a bit. At present, a new ball is used from both ends, and 25 overs are bowled from one ball.

According to the new proposed plan, a team can use two new balls till the first 25 overs and since the 26th over, they will be allowed to use just one ball for the rest of the innings and the decision lies in the hand of the fielding team as to which one out of the two balls they want to proceed with.

The recommendation is expected to be discussed during the ongoing ICC meetings in Zimbabwe which is going to be attended by board members across all playing members.​
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Garbage! Makes me even more angry. Why was it introduced in the first place? What about the 12 year period where batsman ended up with career average of 55 odd with ease?
 
Even though the ball hit the batter's glove, and the fielder caught it, it was not out, because the bat was not in the hand when there was impact.
But if they ran, it would have counted as a run
a dumb rule that needs to be change.

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Any part of the body doesn't count as caught out for a batsman. This rule has been very consistent. Body also includes hands and fingers (which is covered by gloves).

The only reason touching glove is out in usual shots is because in usual position bat handle is behind the gloves so then gloves become part of the bat. You are hitting with the bat which includes the handle and gloves holding that handle


Why should a hand which is not on the bat be counted as out? This rule is very consistent and makes total sense.

And no, it would not be counted as runs but leg byes, if batsmen had run.
 
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