Saad Rafique says Pakistan cannot have bullet trains, even though this was a PML-N election promise

[WebGuru]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan cannot have bullet trains, even though this was one of the ruling party’s election promises, Khawaja Saad Rafique told the National Assembly on Tuesday.

“When we asked the Chinese about it, they laughed at us. We should consider the 160kmph train under CPEC as a bullet train. We can’t afford an actual bullet train, there’s no market for it,” the railway minister said.

Admitting that their party had faced a lot of criticism over not launching the project, he said that the country didn’t have enough money to build one. “Even if we do, we don’t have such a big range of upper and middle class passengers who will buy tickets.”

In an articulate speech on the floor of the house, Mr Rafique gave members a comprehensive overview of the performance of his department and insisted that he was doing as much as possible to clean up the department and turn it into a profit-making entity.

Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan are not prepared to turn over railway land to the Pakistan Railways, preventing the department from using them to generate more revenue, he told the house.

“The biggest problem with railway lands across the country is that they are owned by the provincial governments while being under the possession of Pakistan Railways. The provinces are not prepared to turn over these lands to us, despite a Supreme Court order to do so,” he said.

“There isn’t a chief minister I haven’t pleaded with over the past three-and-a-half years. Except Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, which turned over 90pc of such lands to us, the other provinces have not handed us a single marla.”

“How can we commercially exploit land whose title doesn’t belong to us?” he asked.

However, he clarified that land that was occupied by traditional dwellers or slum residents would not be touched. “How can we displace those people; where will they go?” he said, while vowing to act strictly against those who used railway land for commercial purposes.

He claimed 1,017 acres of land had been retrieved from encroachments during his tenure.

Although the minister was supposed to respond to a motion regarding the “non-utilisation of lands of Railways in the country”, he covered nearly all aspects of his department in his detailed remarks.

Narrating his experience of negotiating with the Chinese over projects related to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, the minister said that things were not as rosy as they appeared to be.

“We will not buy a pen worth Rs2 for Rs10, not while I am heading this department,” he said, explaining that the Asian Development Bank (ADB) had been asked to fund the Lahore-Peshawar section.

“Our Chinese friends have expressed their displeasure, but we’ve made it clear that we have the discretion. They should limit themselves to the Karachi-Lahore track, we will dualise the [up-country] tracks with the ADB,” he said.

Accusing previous administrations of mismanaging Pakistan Railways’ affairs, he detailed all the ills of the department he inherited — from adulterated and substandard food in dining cars to the practice of removing original parts from locomotives or cannibalising carriages to fix damaged bogies.

Although his predecessor Ghulam Ahmad Bilour was in the house when Mr Rafique began his remarks, the ANP member left the assembly once the minister began to take aim at his track-record.

Talking about the Karachi circular railway, he said that the project was wrongly distributed between the various governments, given that the bulk of the financial burden had been placed on the federal government. “We’re having problems running a national railway network; how can you expect us to build intra-city systems? Across the world, metros and local trains are run by independent authorities.

“Yes, state institutions must operate with a certain amount of losses, but it must break even.”

He also lamented that all trains are repaired manually. “We are looking to move towards greater automation of this process, which will help curtail human error and accidental deaths.”


Source: http://www.dawn.com/news/1299538/pakistan-cant-afford-bullet-trains?preview

 

[WebGuru]

“There isn’t a chief minister I haven’t pleaded with over the past three-and-a-half years. Except Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, which turned over 90pc of such lands to us, the other provinces have not handed us a single marla.”

Still no shame Khawaja ji? Although you are the man standing between KP Govt and the Mass Transit project but still KP is the only province to help you recover the railway land when your own party in Punjab isn't helping.

Isko kehte hen tabdeeli aa nae rahi tabdeel aa gae he...

 

[Slog]

“There isn’t a chief minister I haven’t pleaded with over the past three-and-a-half years. Except Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, which turned over 90pc of such lands to us, the other provinces have not handed us a single marla.”]

wow

 

[PakLFC]

For them promises are made to be broken. Our people are so naïve that they'll continue to vote for the whilst expecting great and positive change.

 

[petercat]

Bullet Train costs are very high.Now India is building one with Japan and Japan is financing that project with 0.1% interest loan with 50 year payment schedule with a long moratorium. So unless Pakistan gets a better deal it wont make economic sense for Pakistan to build one.

 

[Syed1]

Bullet Train costs are very high.Now India is building one with Japan and Japan is financing that project with 0.1% interest loan with 50 year payment schedule with a long moratorium. So unless Pakistan gets a better deal it wont make economic sense for Pakistan to build one.

Bullet Train doesn't make economic sense for Pakistan. Even freaking US (the world's richest country) doesn't have bullet trains.

It is an expensive venture just for "show-baazi". I'd much rather have them improve the existing railway network inside of laying completely new lines for the bullet train.

 

[Bewal Express]

We need dams because of the Indian threat and possible climate change, bullet trains, orange trains are vanity projects with little value to the man on the street.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Mardan 8th March 2013 :


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[karthikc]

Bullet Train doesn't make economic sense for Pakistan. Even freaking US (the world's richest country) doesn't have bullet trains.

It is an expensive venture just for "show-baazi". I'd much rather have them improve the existing railway network inside of laying completely new lines for the bullet train.

True..even in India they should try to improve existing infra in raiways and maximise government revenue from goods trains also which is what China is doing I guess.

 

[Mian]

haha CJ ne aaj achi class li he is lohe ke chane ki aaj

 

[Wonderwoman]

Bullet Train doesn't make economic sense for Pakistan. Even freaking US (the world's richest country) doesn't have bullet trains.

It is an expensive venture just for "show-baazi". I'd much rather have them improve the existing railway network inside of laying completely new lines for the bullet train.

Hyper loop is the furture!!

 

[BlackShadow]

We need dams because of the Indian threat and possible climate change, bullet trains, orange trains are vanity projects with little value to the man on the street.

True. Just like the Tree Tsunami, what Pakistan needs the most today is a Dam Tsunami.

 

[Mian]

Yaar is bande ke sath aaj kuc hzyada he buri hui he

 

[DRsohail]

Sona ha Loha k channay chabanay walal k barri kaharab halat Tay. [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

 

[Bewal Express]

Sona ha Loha k channay chabanay walal k barri kaharab halat Tay. [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

I saw the report earlier-I am loving it. I just want the NAB court decision quickly on both father crook and crooked daughter.

 

[Syed1]

"Supreme Court mein aj humari do koori ki izzat hogayi"

 

[Mian]

I saw the report earlier-I am loving it. I just want the NAB court decision quickly on both father crook and crooked daughter.

According to CJ this khawaja went to some powerful person to put pressure on CJ

 

[USHK]

Will that make any difference if there ever was? It is not like people accepted Metro projects at first. Metro projects had hard time convincing people that it was practical move due to congested traffic. Since it was considered waste of money and resources for years until now that it is no longer considered waste of money and resources since certain leader deem it to be halaal now.

Given the recent situation, it is best for PMLN to focus on laws and orders with too many rapes cases pilling up recently and has been for years.

 

[Bewal Express]

Will that make any difference if there ever was? It is not like people accepted Metro projects at first. Metro projects had hard time convincing people that it was practical move due to congested traffic. Since it was considered waste of money and resources for years until now that it is no longer considered waste of money and resources since certain leader deem it to be halaal now.

Given the recent situation, it is best for PMLN to focus on laws and orders with too many rapes cases pilling up recently and has been for years.

Why not focus on clean water first. You sound like a Noora sympathiser so you must have read that in Punjab over 4bn was stolen. Just a thought Maybe even find who stole the 4bn(Showbiz)

 

[Waseem]

No we don't need bullet trains please, stop this non sense.

Lohay ka chana aaj sahi pighla hai

 

[Mian]

No we don't need bullet trains please, stop this non sense.

Lohay ka chana aaj sahi pighla hai

 

[USHK]

Why not focus on clean water first. You sound like a Noora sympathiser so you must have read that in Punjab over 4bn was stolen. Just a thought Maybe even find who stole the 4bn(Showbiz)

Since when clean water is more important than rape cases pilling up due to recent girls being kidnapped left and right?

As for water crisis, the nation had chance to support Kalabaag dam but they deemed it political conspiracy which some of them enjoy political influence in PTI alone. With kalabaag dam, water crisis along with energy crisis could have been easily resolved as well as the floods that could have been averted.

Water crisis is something that requires divine miracle which ALLAH is only capable of resolving the conflict, not Nawaz Sharif nor Imran Khan. Until then, Diamer-Bhasha would be logical choice but even then, it doesn't provide enough range for the nation to survive unfortunately. Ultimately, we are heading for water war very soon, unfortunately.

 

[Bewal Express]

Since when clean water is more important than rape cases pilling up due to recent girls being kidnapped left and right?

As for water crisis, the nation had chance to support Kalabaag dam but they deemed it political conspiracy which some of them enjoy political influence in PTI alone. With kalabaag dam, water crisis along with energy crisis could have been easily resolved as well as the floods that could have been averted.

Water crisis is something that requires divine miracle which ALLAH is only capable of resolving the conflict, not Nawaz Sharif nor Imran Khan. Until then, Diamer-Bhasha would be logical choice but even then, it doesn't provide enough range for the nation to survive unfortunately. Ultimately, we are heading for water war very soon, unfortunately.

They are not mutually exclusive, you can do both by creating working institutions. The reason that rape is out of control is that the Police use crime and its victims as a pay day. Who has been in power in Punjab for the last 27 of the 33 years, and who has made no effort to professionalise the Police, who uses the Police as a private army? And its interesting that you ignored the theft of the 4bn, in Noora eyes its petty cash.
As far as the Kalabagh dam, i am with you. It cant be built by a democratic govt because of the mistrust of Punjab, on a dictator could have built it.

 

[USHK]

They are not mutually exclusive, you can do both by creating working institutions. The reason that rape is out of control is that the Police use crime and its victims as a pay day. Who has been in power in Punjab for the last 27 of the 33 years, and who has made no effort to professionalise the Police, who uses the Police as a private army? And its interesting that you ignored the theft of the 4bn, in Noora eyes its petty cash.
As far as the Kalabagh dam, i am with you. It cant be built by a democratic govt because of the mistrust of Punjab, on a dictator could have built it.

The system existed long before PMLN came to the power. By the way, PMLN has been in powers for three time and each time get interrupted by Pakistan army. Never once PMLN has been able to complete the term - most of time the term ended within 1-2 years in each term. Even in this term, PMLN is ended within 3 and half years before replaced by nobody that is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of Pakistan establishment.

Blame on PMLN all you want but that doesn't change the fact that only PPP exceptZulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Pakistan establishment enjoyed uninterrupted ruling for decades had chance to invest on dams, reformation on the police systems and the systems. But they didn't.

If there is any chances like motorway express, metro projects, all those development projects were taken place under PMLN ruling despite its short-lived ruling. So where does 20 years ruling of Pakistan fit in when PMLN never once completed the term in the history of Pakistan politics?

The problems is that even some of development projects exist is due to PMLN. If we take PMLN out, we have none of them. What does that say about the leaders that came before PMLN?

I cannot complain about PMLN because it dealt with the situation which was responsible by Musharraf and Zardari [Musharraf exit stragety] which started unstable economy to terrorism and the promises of energy projects remained unfulfilled until the emergence of PMLN which made inroads for solar energy, Diamer-Bhasha dam, wind energy and all kinds that are expected to roll ready within 2020 or later since those projects are initiated at the year 2014.

As for the polices systems, PMLN has never known for its reformative on police system so i am not surprised as to why PMLN failed whereas PMLN strength was developments where it succeeded. But unfortunately you cannot have everything.

Whereas for PTI has failed to curb rape rising despite so called promising of ending all the violence through its so called reformative system in police. Even PTI has failed to curb the violence does suggest it is better than the system and everyone should be joining together against the crime like they all did against terrorism except PTI given Imran Khan pro-stances on Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP for years.

Stop politicizing rape cases since that is not helping. Instead of complaining about lack of metro rails which you guys would have complained either way, better to concentrate on laws and orders hence the suggestion earlier to curb down the violence.

If you are interested in creating the drama where there is none, then there is nothing i can do about it.

 

[USHK]

Correction:

Whereas for PTI has failed to curb rape rising despite so called promising of ending all the violence through its so called reformative system in police. Even PTI has failed to curb the violence does suggest it is bigger than the system and everyone should be joining together against the crime like they all did against terrorism except PTI given Imran Khan pro-stances on Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP for years.

 

[www787]

The system existed long before PMLN came to the power. By the way, PMLN has been in powers for three time and each time get interrupted by Pakistan army. Never once PMLN has been able to complete the term - most of time the term ended within 1-2 years in each term. Even in this term, PMLN is ended within 3 and half years before replaced by nobody that is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of Pakistan establishment.

Blame on PMLN all you want but that doesn't change the fact that only PPP exceptZulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Pakistan establishment enjoyed uninterrupted ruling for decades had chance to invest on dams, reformation on the police systems and the systems. But they didn't.

If there is any chances like motorway express, metro projects, all those development projects were taken place under PMLN ruling despite its short-lived ruling. So where does 20 years ruling of Pakistan fit in when PMLN never once completed the term in the history of Pakistan politics?

The problems is that even some of development projects exist is due to PMLN. If we take PMLN out, we have none of them. What does that say about the leaders that came before PMLN?

I cannot complain about PMLN because it dealt with the situation which was responsible by Musharraf and Zardari [Musharraf exit stragety] which started unstable economy to terrorism and the promises of energy projects remained unfulfilled until the emergence of PMLN which made inroads for solar energy, Diamer-Bhasha dam, wind energy and all kinds that are expected to roll ready within 2020 or later since those projects are initiated at the year 2014.

As for the polices systems, PMLN has never known for its reformative on police system so i am not surprised as to why PMLN failed whereas PMLN strength was developments where it succeeded. But unfortunately you cannot have everything.

Whereas for PTI has failed to curb rape rising despite so called promising of ending all the violence through its so called reformative system in police. Even PTI has failed to curb the violence does suggest it is better than the system and everyone should be joining together against the crime like they all did against terrorism except PTI given Imran Khan pro-stances on Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP for years.

Stop politicizing rape cases since that is not helping. Instead of complaining about lack of metro rails which you guys would have complained either way, better to concentrate on laws and orders hence the suggestion earlier to curb down the violence.

If you are interested in creating the drama where there is none, then there is nothing i can do about it.

PML-N is completing the term, Nawaz Sharif isn't. So, PML-N is removed this time.

Stop reading after this.

 

[www787]

isn't *

 

[Bewal Express]

The system existed long before PMLN came to the power. By the way, PMLN has been in powers for three time and each time get interrupted by Pakistan army. Never once PMLN has been able to complete the term - most of time the term ended within 1-2 years in each term. Even in this term, PMLN is ended within 3 and half years before replaced by nobody that is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of Pakistan establishment.

Blame on PMLN all you want but that doesn't change the fact that only PPP exceptZulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Pakistan establishment enjoyed uninterrupted ruling for decades had chance to invest on dams, reformation on the police systems and the systems. But they didn't.

If there is any chances like motorway express, metro projects, all those development projects were taken place under PMLN ruling despite its short-lived ruling. So where does 20 years ruling of Pakistan fit in when PMLN never once completed the term in the history of Pakistan politics?

The problems is that even some of development projects exist is due to PMLN. If we take PMLN out, we have none of them. What does that say about the leaders that came before PMLN?

I cannot complain about PMLN because it dealt with the situation which was responsible by Musharraf and Zardari [Musharraf exit stragety] which started unstable economy to terrorism and the promises of energy projects remained unfulfilled until the emergence of PMLN which made inroads for solar energy, Diamer-Bhasha dam, wind energy and all kinds that are expected to roll ready within 2020 or later since those projects are initiated at the year 2014.

As for the polices systems, PMLN has never known for its reformative on police system so i am not surprised as to why PMLN failed whereas PMLN strength was developments where it succeeded. But unfortunately you cannot have everything.

Whereas for PTI has failed to curb rape rising despite so called promising of ending all the violence through its so called reformative system in police. Even PTI has failed to curb the violence does suggest it is better than the system and everyone should be joining together against the crime like they all did against terrorism except PTI given Imran Khan pro-stances on Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP for years.

Stop politicizing rape cases since that is not helping. Instead of complaining about lack of metro rails which you guys would have complained either way, better to concentrate on laws and orders hence the suggestion earlier to curb down the violence.

If you are interested in creating the drama where there is none, then there is nothing i can do about it.

Any party that is worth a grain of salt starts with creating a An effective, Professional Police answerable to the public, not a private army for the corrupt to intimidate and oppress the public. How long does it take for a political party that has the will to that? You know why they dont reform,because the mafia will lose its power to intimidate and steal.
You talk about making roads as if its difficult to do, it isnt. All you do is to hire a contractor and make the road and take a nice commission to buy flats in London. Btw Mush added much to the road network than the Nooras. As far the economy is concerned this govt has been a disaster, the growth is barely above the PPP and the external debt increase is unmatched in PK history.
As for politicizing the rape cases, it is a total cop out from you, when a young girl is murdered in Kasur( one of 8) and the local Police under the direct control of the CM asks for reward money for recovering the body. And then the idiot CM turns up like a knight in shining armour and claims credit for finding the murderer, making no mention of the fact that 7 other girls had also been murdered.
As far as the PML dealing with the security situation, they didnt. The army after the APS decided enough was enough and sorted out the terrorists. NS was a spectator.

One final point, it was the army that created the Nooras and you rewriting history and making it as if NS was a victim. Here is a little fact for you he conspired to send 3 PM's home.

 

[Bewal Express]

PML-N is completing the term, Nawaz Sharif isn't. So, PML-N is removed this time.

Stop reading after this.

Its amazing that this duffer still has supporters.

 

[USHK]

PML-N is completing the term, Nawaz Sharif isn't. So, PML-N is removed this time.

Stop reading after this.

If you take out Nawaz Sharif as face of PMLN, then it is confirming that this PMLN is nothing but puppet whose voice has been nullified so therefore, that rules out accountability as well.

Even in the third time, PMLN [Nawaz Sharif] has been disqualified so it is too late to complain. He is disqualified so that means he is free from accountability in regards to ruling which he barely finished in each terms. The only thing he can be accountable for his financial background which is still open for grab.

 

[USHK]

Any party that is worth a grain of salt starts with creating a An effective, Professional Police answerable to the public, not a private army for the corrupt to intimidate and oppress the public. How long does it take for a political party that has the will to that? You know why they dont reform,because the mafia will lose its power to intimidate and steal.
You talk about making roads as if its difficult to do, it isnt. All you do is to hire a contractor and make the road and take a nice commission to buy flats in London. Btw Mush added much to the road network than the Nooras. As far the economy is concerned this govt has been a disaster, the growth is barely above the PPP and the external debt increase is unmatched in PK history.

All i hear complaint on PMLN which has been established while ignoring PMLN achievements on Pakistan which changed the fate of Pakistan in terms of developments.

But what about other leaders before Nawaz Sharif that not only enjoyed uninterrupted ruling but had ample opportunities to invest on the reformation of police forces, motor and metro projects, energy sectors,....etc?

The only leader that comes to mind is Ayub Khan who stint was ended in late 60. After that, all those development projects we had to wait to happen under PMLN authority whose ruling has been short-lived to make gradual change on the politically and socially economic problems, public transportation, reformation on police forces,....etc.

It is really hard to criticize the government whose stint has been short-lived in each term which many of stints were ended within 2-3 years. So how do you make gradual change on those systems within few years while leaders like Zia-ul-Haq, Musharraf that truly enjoyed uninterrupted ruling for almost decade could not bother to some changes if not all in regards to development, political and social, economically wise and much more. Even to the point where leaders with Army background are expected to run the nation in regards to reformation on police enforcement better than any political leaders with lack of background on Army or Police for that.

Nawaz Sharif background was economy which was expected from to excel in that area which he did - even punched above the weight within 3 and half years while dealing dharnas constantly to undermine the stability of economy which ended up costing 500 billion rupees while cleaning the mess [terrorism] which was allowed to happen thanks to Imran Khan pro-stance on Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP, silence from General Kiyani and the secret deal between Musharraf and Zardari in regards to exit strategy that sets Pakistan two to three decades behind which is now being almost undone thanks to short-lived ruling of Nawaz Sharif in the short period of time from the developments to energy sectors and military operations which then expansions to Karachi to stabilize the biggest economical port of Pakistan that was once lost to MQM thanks to Musharraf who is officially fond of MQM.

As for politicizing the rape cases, it is a total cop out from you, when a young girl is murdered in Kasur( one of 8) and the local Police under the direct control of the CM asks for reward money for recovering the body. And then the idiot CM turns up like a knight in shining armour and claims credit for finding the murderer, making no mention of the fact that 7 other girls had also been murdered.
As far as the PML dealing with the security situation, they didnt. The army after the APS decided enough was enough and sorted out the terrorists. NS was a spectator.

It is not total cop out. It is reality unfortunately. The system that has been there since the days of British Kingdom which is totally obsolete and failure in addressing the crime is nothing short of surprising.

If leaders with Army background like Ayub Khan, Zia-ul-Haq and Musharraf despite their uninterruptedly ruling couldn't make police reinforcement as effective tool despite their background in Army/discipline and Imran Khan with his promo about reformative police systems that not only lied about keeping the rape case secret but also denied in public which has failed indicates PMLN with no promising on reformative while no background on Army/discipline stands no chance at all.

You need Raheel Sharif that can strengthen police enforcement to provide better protection for Pakistan, not Nawaz Sharif. Nawaz Sharif is only good at stabilizing the economy. Whereas for Imran Khan, good at keeping promises [marriage]. So that leaves to what alternative? Zardari with his 10% who blunt turned his head the other way when TTP was busy bombing Pakistan left and right while kept General Kiyani in defensive mode?

I am asking alternative. It is easier to criticize but the solution isn't there nor the alternative. The next best is PTI which is no difference either given its cover on rape case recently.

One final point, it was the army that created the Nooras and you rewriting history and making it as if NS was a victim. Here is a little fact for you he conspired to send 3 PM's home.

If it was Army that created Nawaz Sharif, then it was very same Army that dismembered very shortly thus not allowing Nawaz Sharif to rule uninterruptedly in each term. So why install the puppet only to dismember him very shortly? Again, the same Army that is also responsible for MQM has been forced to clean the mess through the expansion military project called Zarb-e-Azb. And responsible for good and bad Taliban projects as well. So we are going blame everything on PMLN? Will that change anything?

Now that Nawaz Sharif is disqualified so he is no longer part of the government so what is the point of complaint on the short-lived government now? Best to wait for next election and hope that the next government even if it means Imran Khan, then so be it, to complete the term uninterruptedly so we can hold the government accountable as accordingly.

 

[USHK]

Its amazing that this duffer still has supporters.

Nothing has changed. You are still same old that takes short cut resorting to name calling instead of being open to constructive debate. So it is gonna be like this? I need to know so i don't have to waste my time with you who will be busy resorting to name calling and whatnot instead of having grown up civilized debate.

It doesn't matter if i claim that i am not supporter of Nawaz Sharif but GOD forbids if we call out fair accountability that involves PTI authority figure into question, then it is chaos.

 

[Bewal Express]

All i hear complaint on PMLN which has been established while ignoring PMLN achievements on Pakistan which changed the fate of Pakistan in terms of developments.

But what about other leaders before Nawaz Sharif that not only enjoyed uninterrupted ruling but had ample opportunities to invest on the reformation of police forces, motor and metro projects, energy sectors,....etc?

The only leader that comes to mind is Ayub Khan who stint was ended in late 60. After that, all those development projects we had to wait to happen under PMLN authority whose ruling has been short-lived to make gradual change on the politically and socially economic problems, public transportation, reformation on police forces,....etc.

It is really hard to criticize the government whose stint has been short-lived in each term which many of stints were ended within 2-3 years. So how do you make gradual change on those systems within few years while leaders like Zia-ul-Haq, Musharraf that truly enjoyed uninterrupted ruling for almost decade could not bother to some changes if not all in regards to development, political and social, economically wise and much more. Even to the point where leaders with Army background are expected to run the nation in regards to reformation on police enforcement better than any political leaders with lack of background on Army or Police for that.

Nawaz Sharif background was economy which was expected from to excel in that area which he did - even punched above the weight within 3 and half years while dealing dharnas constantly to undermine the stability of economy which ended up costing 500 billion rupees while cleaning the mess [terrorism] which was allowed to happen thanks to Imran Khan pro-stance on Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP, silence from General Kiyani and the secret deal between Musharraf and Zardari in regards to exit strategy that sets Pakistan two to three decades behind which is now being almost undone thanks to short-lived ruling of Nawaz Sharif in the short period of time from the developments to energy sectors and military operations which then expansions to Karachi to stabilize the biggest economical port of Pakistan that was once lost to MQM thanks to Musharraf who is officially fond of MQM.



It is not total cop out. It is reality unfortunately. The system that has been there since the days of British Kingdom which is totally obsolete and failure in addressing the crime is nothing short of surprising.

If leaders with Army background like Ayub Khan, Zia-ul-Haq and Musharraf despite their uninterruptedly ruling couldn't make police reinforcement as effective tool despite their background in Army/discipline and Imran Khan with his promo about reformative police systems that not only lied about keeping the rape case secret but also denied in public which has failed indicates PMLN with no promising on reformative while no background on Army/discipline stands no chance at all.

You need Raheel Sharif that can strengthen police enforcement to provide better protection for Pakistan, not Nawaz Sharif. Nawaz Sharif is only good at stabilizing the economy. Whereas for Imran Khan, good at keeping promises [marriage]. So that leaves to what alternative? Zardari with his 10% who blunt turned his head the other way when TTP was busy bombing Pakistan left and right while kept General Kiyani in defensive mode?

I am asking alternative. It is easier to criticize but the solution isn't there nor the alternative. The next best is PTI which is no difference either given its cover on rape case recently.




If it was Army that created Nawaz Sharif, then it was very same Army that dismembered very shortly thus not allowing Nawaz Sharif to rule uninterruptedly in each term. So why install the puppet only to dismember him very shortly? Again, the same Army that is also responsible for MQM has been forced to clean the mess through the expansion military project called Zarb-e-Azb. And responsible for good and bad Taliban projects as well. So we are going blame everything on PMLN? Will that change anything?

Now that Nawaz Sharif is disqualified so he is no longer part of the government so what is the point of complaint on the short-lived government now? Best to wait for next election and hope that the next government even if it means Imran Khan, then so be it, to complete the term uninterruptedly so we can hold the government accountable as accordingly.

All i hear is excuses. How long does it take to reform the Police, yes a year or 2 but your duffer had no interest in reforming the Police because an honest Police would catch the thief.
Why is hard to criticise a govt who have controlled Punjab for the last 27 of the 33 years. How much longer do they need. You keep being evasive about corruption as if it wasnt a problem, but here is a fact, NS spent a year out of the country out of the 4 that he was in power spending close to 70 crore on his visits. Is that what you mean by not having enough time because he is always on holiday in the UK.

 

[Bewal Express]

As far as the economy goes, what is the great success that you keep going on about. The growth rate is barely higher the PPP and much lower than the Mush, the SOE are a total mess and the FBR is corrupt and incompetent and yet another amnesty is being offered. Exports are dropping and both budget deficit and Balance of Payments are increasing to record levels, is this the success you are talking about. More money had been borrowed by this govt than any in history and we are heading towards another IMF bailout. Yes this is why NS is all about the economy and the best of it is that the Finance Minister is on the run.

 

[Bewal Express]

Rather than going around in circles, answer a simple a wuestion, do you believe that NS is corrupt?

 

[USHK]

All i hear is excuses. How long does it take to reform the Police, yes a year or 2 but your duffer had no interest in reforming the Police because an honest Police would catch the thief.
Why is hard to criticise a govt who have controlled Punjab for the last 27 of the 33 years. How much longer do they need. You keep being evasive about corruption as if it wasnt a problem, but here is a fact, NS spent a year out of the country out of the 4 that he was in power spending close to 70 crore on his visits. Is that what you mean by not having enough time because he is always on holiday in the UK.

If that was the case, then what does that say about the previous leaders with uninterruptedly ruling terms for decades? Same can be applied to Imran Khan whose campaign has been about reformation on police systems also has failed.

I just gave you lengthy post which discusses the pro and con of PMLN. PMLN has never been much for discipline, on the top of it Nawaz Sharif was disqualified within 3 years while battling terrorism, dharnas, failing economy, unstable nation, and the crime in Karachi. Despite that, he managed to spare for metro projects, energy sectors within 2014 before dharnas cornered Nawaz Sharif into power-sharing agreement with General Raheel that allows Pakistan establishment to enjoy more than 50% influence on foreign policy.


Even then, PMLN has failed on reformation police which i have explained in the lengthy post as to why. Despite the odds and negative, some positives have been highlighted which unfortunately we had to wait for PMLN to come to the powers to witness those positives. Before PMLN, it was disaster from the get go as mentioned in the lengthy post. I am not gonna repeat.

Nobody is supporting Nawaz Sharif and not even i but that Nawaz Sharif is now disqualified. Whereas Imran Khan is still government. Best to focus on the government that has powers to reform the police systems to eradicate crime including rape instead of hiding the rape cases to make PTI politically good.

With the election approaching, Nawaz Sharif is disqualified for life so every time we talk about Imran Khan, you are going to bring Nawaz Sharif as distraction who has been disqualified for a while now?

And how do you rule 27 to 33 years when you have been usurped by Pakistan establishment three term in a row and that too within 2-3 years stint in each term. So how do you make account for 27 to 33 years?

 

[USHK]

Rather than going around in circles, answer a simple a wuestion, do you believe that NS is corrupt?

It doesn't matter what i or you believe. It only matters with the evidence. Even then, Nawaz Sharif is now disqualified so what is the point of talking about it now. But you use Nawaz Sharif as crutch which has become daily habit so i am afraid even if Nawaz Sharif is long gone whether in jail for corruption if proven or in hereafter, you people would use Nawaz Sharif as distraction to protect Imran Khan which is clearly the case here.

Best to talk about Imran Khan whose government still leaves a lot desired in terms of performance, and reformation in police which clearly has been failure to curb the crime especially the rape cases.

 

[USHK]

As far as the economy goes, what is the great success that you keep going on about. The growth rate is barely higher the PPP and much lower than the Mush, the SOE are a total mess and the FBR is corrupt and incompetent and yet another amnesty is being offered. Exports are dropping and both budget deficit and Balance of Payments are increasing to record levels, is this the success you are talking about. More money had been borrowed by this govt than any in history and we are heading towards another IMF bailout. Yes this is why NS is all about the economy and the best of it is that the Finance Minister is on the run.

Pakistan was the verge of collapsing. It was imperative to stabilize the economy. Nawaz Sharif joined at the time when the economy was collapsing. And Nawaz Sharif was disqualified after the economy has been stabilized to make inroads for future governments like Imran Khan who can take credit for including energy sectors that has been initiated in 2014 thanks to Nawaz Sharif.

Don't talk about Musharraf who resorted to aids in 2005 to avoid bankruptcy while allowed MQM roamed freely to destabilize Karachi as the only major economical port of Pakistan while failed to take care of terrorism issue big time when mattered the most. On the top of it, the promising energy that was planned in 2007 was immediately scrapped thanks to Musharraf exit-strategy with Zardari who managed to set Pakistan economy way back including silent over terrorism that plagued all over Pakistan while the crime became daily routine in Karachi impacting the economy since Karachi was the only major economical port of Pakistan and still is even with CPEC into the picture which Nawaz Sharif has role to play as well.

Musharraf has been utter failure in regards to developments, energy sectors, economy and stability as nation. I don't get why he is idolized despite enjoyed uninterruptedly ruling throughout the term while did nothing with all the times he had like 7 years which was three times more than Nawaz Sharif could afford due to military takeover. Yet Nawaz Sharif brought development projects, metro projects, energy sectors, military operations, CPEC within 2-3 years that Musharraf can only dream in his seven years unopposed.

 

[Bewal Express]

It doesn't matter what i or you believe. It only matters with the evidence. Even then, Nawaz Sharif is now disqualified so what is the point of talking about it now. But you use Nawaz Sharif as crutch which has become daily habit so i am afraid even if Nawaz Sharif is long gone whether in jail for corruption if proven or in hereafter, you people would use Nawaz Sharif as distraction to protect Imran Khan which is clearly the case here.

Best to talk about Imran Khan whose government still leaves a lot desired in terms of performance, and reformation in police which clearly has been failure to curb the crime especially the rape cases.

As you keep defending him, answer the question is he corrupt or not?

 

[Bewal Express]

Pakistan was the verge of collapsing. It was imperative to stabilize the economy. Nawaz Sharif joined at the time when the economy was collapsing. And Nawaz Sharif was disqualified after the economy has been stabilized to make inroads for future governments like Imran Khan who can take credit for including energy sectors that has been initiated in 2014 thanks to Nawaz Sharif.

Don't talk about Musharraf who resorted to aids in 2005 to avoid bankruptcy while allowed MQM roamed freely to destabilize Karachi as the only major economical port of Pakistan while failed to take care of terrorism issue big time when mattered the most. On the top of it, the promising energy that was planned in 2007 was immediately scrapped thanks to Musharraf exit-strategy with Zardari who managed to set Pakistan economy way back including silent over terrorism that plagued all over Pakistan while the crime became daily routine in Karachi impacting the economy since Karachi was the only major economical port of Pakistan and still is even with CPEC into the picture which Nawaz Sharif has role to play as well.

Musharraf has been utter failure in regards to developments, energy sectors, economy and stability as nation. I don't get why he is idolized despite enjoyed uninterruptedly ruling throughout the term while did nothing with all the times he had like 7 years which was three times more than Nawaz Sharif could afford due to military takeover. Yet Nawaz Sharif brought development projects, metro projects, energy sectors, military operations, CPEC within 2-3 years that Musharraf can only dream in his seven years unopposed.

Mush made mistakes but NS is utter disaster. There is no economic policy, its just borrow lots of money and spend money to showcase projects and pick up commissions. Btw, didnt they promise they would solve the power outages within 6 months, 5 years on close to 1000bn Rps spent on circular debt and we are back to square one, where did the money go. Any audits done?

 

[USHK]

As you keep defending him, answer the question is he corrupt or not?

I already mentioned it.

It doesn't matter what i or you believe. It only matters with the evidence. Even then, Nawaz Sharif is now disqualified so what is the point of talking about it now.

If we go by personal opinion without established evidence to back with, is it safe to assume that Imran Khan is guilty of fathering illegitimate child out of wedlock would be true? That would completely disqualify him for life meaning no PM of Pakistan at all.

At the end, it is not your and mine call. It is the call of the court that relies on verified evidences to ascertain whether certain figure is corrupt or not.

As for now, he is disqualified for life so whether he is corrupt or not would be pointless since his government performance is out of question for now.

Let's focus on the government that is still operating by the rights of laws should be questioned legitimately.

 

[USHK]

Mush made mistakes but NS is utter disaster. There is no economic policy, its just borrow lots of money and spend money to showcase projects and pick up commissions. Btw, didnt they promise they would solve the power outages within 6 months, 5 years on close to 1000bn Rps spent on circular debt and we are back to square one, where did the money go. Any audits done?

When Nawaz Sharif came to the power, Pakistan was already declared bankrupt with the economy collapse on the top of it, and no money on the bank either. From the load shedding to the terrorism that plagued Pakistan economy including the lives that were took more than 100,000 people including children and women while Imran Khan was busying dancing on the street professing his love for Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP for its terrorism.


What do you think the money came from for the metro projects, energy sectors, development projects, CPEC, military projects including its expansion in Karachi? They cost money and it is very those borrowed money that came to the handy, stabilized the economy by investing on the military operations, development projects including CPEC that gave rising hope for Pakistan, energy sectors that will be operational full time by the year of 2020 and beyond.

It is very those moments that will be game changer started in 2014 as soon as PMLN came to the power. Even with short stint and restricted power due to power-sharing agreement with General Raheel in 2014, PMLN still managed to punch above the weights - more than any leaders with fully powers enjoyed uninterrupted term for decades could dream of.

Let's revise the ruling of Musharraf;

* Musharraf illegally took over democracy and installed Marshal Law against the wills of Pakistan.
* Musharraf took charge of running the nation when the economy was already stable.
* Musharraf revived MQM when PMLN was so close to finish MQM off.
* TTP was born under the ruling of Musharraf and Musharraf failed to eradicate terrorism back then.
* Musharraf allowed MQM to openly wreck the only major economical port of Pakistan.
* Musharraf allowed migration from Afghanistan excessively which became hotbed for crime activities widespread like prostitution, drug, weapons and all kinds and safe haven for TTP for years.
* Musharraf bankrupted Pakistan from the stable economy and relied on aids to revive the economy for the time being.
* So-called energy project was proposed in 2007 which was the last year of Musharraf, and even then, it took more than seven years to propose for energy project that never took off.
* Musharraf exit-strategy with Zardari after the way Benazir Bhutti was killed suspiciously, and allowed Zardari to wreck the entire Pakistan with 10% including letting MQM and TTP kill people left and right and ruined the economy.
* By the time Zardari ruling was over, Pakistan was considered failed and bankrupt nation - unsafe for investors and unsuitable nation to live in. That was the year of 2012.

Fast forward to 2014, all that had changed drastically which gave hope for Pakistan and made inroads in terms of all those projects as mentioned in the future will be silver lining for Pakistan. And it is all about 3-years-short-lived stint that managed to punch above the weight despite its restrained power due to power-sharing agreement with General Raheel in 2014 whereas which many leaders of Pakistan did comparatively while enjoyed uninterruptedly term with almost one decade and lots of time to think, plan, and execute.

Don't let blind hatred cloud the judgement where you cannot even tell the silver lining that is indeed game changer for Pakistan from the nothingness.

And it is pointless to carry the debate since Nawaz Sharif is already disqualified for life. Our focus should be on the active governments including KPK despite its so-called reformation on police still failed to curb the crimes especially rape where KPK polices were caught covering up the rape cases in order to avoid making PTI looks bad. That is real issue that should not be covered up under the carpet at all. And that is the figure people want for the next election.

 

[Bewal Express]

I already mentioned it.



If we go by personal opinion without established evidence to back with, is it safe to assume that Imran Khan is guilty of fathering illegitimate child out of wedlock would be true? That would completely disqualify him for life meaning no PM of Pakistan at all.

At the end, it is not your and mine call. It is the call of the court that relies on verified evidences to ascertain whether certain figure is corrupt or not.

As for now, he is disqualified for life so whether he is corrupt or not would be pointless since his government performance is out of question for now.

Let's focus on the government that is still operating by the rights of laws should be questioned legitimately.

No, is NS corrupt or not? I asked for your opinion?

 

[Bewal Express]

When Nawaz Sharif came to the power, Pakistan was already declared bankrupt with the economy collapse on the top of it, and no money on the bank either. From the load shedding to the terrorism that plagued Pakistan economy including the lives that were took more than 100,000 people including children and women while Imran Khan was busying dancing on the street professing his love for Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP for its terrorism.


What do you think the money came from for the metro projects, energy sectors, development projects, CPEC, military projects including its expansion in Karachi? They cost money and it is very those borrowed money that came to the handy, stabilized the economy by investing on the military operations, development projects including CPEC that gave rising hope for Pakistan, energy sectors that will be operational full time by the year of 2020 and beyond.

It is very those moments that will be game changer started in 2014 as soon as PMLN came to the power. Even with short stint and restricted power due to power-sharing agreement with General Raheel in 2014, PMLN still managed to punch above the weights - more than any leaders with fully powers enjoyed uninterrupted term for decades could dream of.

Let's revise the ruling of Musharraf;

* Musharraf illegally took over democracy and installed Marshal Law against the wills of Pakistan.
* Musharraf took charge of running the nation when the economy was already stable.
* Musharraf revived MQM when PMLN was so close to finish MQM off.
* TTP was born under the ruling of Musharraf and Musharraf failed to eradicate terrorism back then.
* Musharraf allowed MQM to openly wreck the only major economical port of Pakistan.
* Musharraf allowed migration from Afghanistan excessively which became hotbed for crime activities widespread like prostitution, drug, weapons and all kinds and safe haven for TTP for years.
* Musharraf bankrupted Pakistan from the stable economy and relied on aids to revive the economy for the time being.
* So-called energy project was proposed in 2007 which was the last year of Musharraf, and even then, it took more than seven years to propose for energy project that never took off.
* Musharraf exit-strategy with Zardari after the way Benazir Bhutti was killed suspiciously, and allowed Zardari to wreck the entire Pakistan with 10% including letting MQM and TTP kill people left and right and ruined the economy.
* By the time Zardari ruling was over, Pakistan was considered failed and bankrupt nation - unsafe for investors and unsuitable nation to live in. That was the year of 2012.

Fast forward to 2014, all that had changed drastically which gave hope for Pakistan and made inroads in terms of all those projects as mentioned in the future will be silver lining for Pakistan. And it is all about 3-years-short-lived stint that managed to punch above the weight despite its restrained power due to power-sharing agreement with General Raheel in 2014 whereas which many leaders of Pakistan did comparatively while enjoyed uninterruptedly term with almost one decade and lots of time to think, plan, and execute.

Don't let blind hatred cloud the judgement where you cannot even tell the silver lining that is indeed game changer for Pakistan from the nothingness.

And it is pointless to carry the debate since Nawaz Sharif is already disqualified for life. Our focus should be on the active governments including KPK despite its so-called reformation on police still failed to curb the crimes especially rape where KPK polices were caught covering up the rape cases in order to avoid making PTI looks bad. That is real issue that should not be covered up under the carpet at all. And that is the figure people want for the next election.

This what we hear Maryams media cell every day. Your narrative is the Noora narrative. The country stands on the verge of bankruptcy, the power shortages after a trillion rupees has been paid for circular debt which has never been audited, have returned only a couple of months after it was proclaimed that we had surplus energy and the institutions like FBR and SOE have not only deteriorated financially but remain totally unreformed. The security situation has improved because the army has taken the bull by the horn. Do you really think that this duffer who couldnt reform the Punjab Police solve an incredibly difficult security situation in Fata, KP, Punjab and Karachi.Remember his prevarication over the millitant groups in Punjab. It was Gen Raheel and only Gen Raheel.

 

[USHK]

No, is NS corrupt or not? I asked for your opinion?

Seriously, you are repetitively annoying. I already gave you my opinion and i stand by it.

It doesn't matter what i or you believe. It only matters with the evidence. Even then, Nawaz Sharif is now disqualified so what is the point of talking about it now.

 

[Bewal Express]

Seriously, you are repetitively annoying. I already gave you my opinion and i stand by it.

No you didnt, in your opinion is he corrupt or not? A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

[USHK]

This what we hear Maryams media cell every day. Your narrative is the Noora narrative. The country stands on the verge of bankruptcy, the power shortages after a trillion rupees has been paid for circular debt which has never been audited, have returned only a couple of months after it was proclaimed that we had surplus energy and the institutions like FBR and SOE have not only deteriorated financially but remain totally unreformed. .

Pakistan was already declared bankruptcy when Zardari term was over. Pakistan was already declared failed nation when Zardari term was over. Pakistan was already declared unsuitable to inhabit at when Zardari term was over. Pakistan was already declared terrorist nation when Zardari government refused to launch military operation and allowed TTP/MQM to destabilize the nation.

Do you have reading comprehension issues? Because i have covered the great length on this topic which is above your post.

Let me post the quote again.

What do you think the money came from for the metro projects, energy sectors, development projects, CPEC, military projects including its expansion in Karachi? They cost money and it is very those borrowed money that came to the handy, stabilized the economy by investing on the military operations, development projects including CPEC that gave rising hope for Pakistan, energy sectors that will be operational full time by the year of 2020 and beyond.

It is very those moments that will be game changer started in 2014 as soon as PMLN came to the power. Even with short stint and restricted power due to power-sharing agreement with General Raheel in 2014, PMLN still managed to punch above the weights - more than any leaders with fully powers enjoyed uninterrupted term for decades could dream of.

Bear in mind that those borrowed money increases the debt ratio with higher interest rate invested on those lists as mentioned in the post will be paid in full in return when those projects become operational by the year of 2020 and beyond. By then, Pakistan will be making a lot more than Pakistan will owe to which will seem peanut in compared. In the long run, those borrowed money invested on the development projects will prove to be worth it, In Sha Allah. It is just matter of being patience.

As for 6 months for electricity promoted by Shabhaz Sharif, then that is Shabhaz Sharif for you. Why do you think PMLN appears to be finished now that Nawaz Sharif is disqualified? Because Nawaz Sharif is the sanest option compares to the hothead immature figures that is lined up whether in PMLN camp, the opposition party such as Imran Khan, and Zardari with his 10%.

Since Nawaz Sharif is disqualified for life which also rules him for the forthcoming election, and accountability in term of governing affair as well except the financial background which appears to be on-going case i believe, then that leaves to the active governments including provincial governments that are not disqualified yet therefore are not exempt from the accountability.

So what do you say about PTI governing affair in regards to failure to curb the crime especially the rising rape cases in spite of so-called reformative in police force systems which reformed police forces were caught covering up the rape cases not long ago in order to avoid making PTI looks bad?

In the last three posts, you have avoided this question especially concerning the matter of KPK governing affairs which KPK government is still active and therefore should be questioned for accountability. Why aren't you concerned about the active governments that is planning to contest for the federal elections?

 

[USHK]

The security situation has improved because the army has taken the bull by the horn. Do you really think that this duffer who couldnt reform the Punjab Police solve an incredibly difficult security situation in Fata, KP, Punjab and Karachi.Remember his prevarication over the millitant groups in Punjab. It was Gen Raheel and only Gen Raheel

General Musharraf was busy not launching military operations against TTP while his beloved MQM was allowed to ruin the only major economical port of Pakistan.

General Kiyani was being silent and defensive despite Zardari government persistent in refusal to launch the military operation against Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP despite TTP was bombing Pakistan left and right.

Even in COAS meeting at the year of 2013-2014, General Kiyani proposed the military project to Nawaz Sharif which then countered by Imran Khan who brought peace proposal with TTP over the military operation [which Imranistan seems to avoid talking about it].

After COAS meeting, Imran Khan lied about General Kiyani saying that the military operation has 40% of succeeding. Later, General Kiyani clarified that the military operation will eradicate 40% of terrorism at the first stage and more are needed to eradicate the remaining portion of terrorism. And including Afghanistan as last stage whether it is major source of terrorism due to Afghanistan collaboration with India for sponsoring terrorism through Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP.

Then, TTP broke peace treaty again for the umpteenth times then the decision was made clear for PMLN. The military operation was last resort which was launched with the cooperation of General Raheel. General Raheel has no authority to launch the military projects but he can only cooperate. Only the federal government has the authority to launch the military projects.

Then the followed by the military expansion to Karachi against MQM. Remember that PMLN has history of launching military against MQM. And in fact, PMLN was very close to finish MQM before the military takeover by Musharraf which allowed his beloved MQM to ruin the only major economical port of Pakistan and unable to take care of Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP which then proved to be dangerous course for Pakistan in the history of the world thus proving to be destabilizing factor for Pakistan in all fronts; the politically, socially and economically.

As usual, PMLN was found cleaning the mess [MQM] made by Pakistan establishment despite the fact that it is also the product of Pakistan establishment as well. Then, due to incompetence of Musharraf, Nawaz Sharif once again came to the rescue through Zarb-e-Azb mission eradicating terrorism which should have been taken care off under Musharraf.

For all good and bad, if you give bad credit for PMLN but then it is only fair that PMLN is also entitled for good credit as well. You cannot have the cake and eat it. That is selective which has been the case recently given the silent on the accountability for Musharraf and Imran Khan [concerning the illegitimate child].

 

[USHK]

No you didnt, in your opinion is he corrupt or not? A simple yes or no will suffice.

I did. But if you are gonna be repetitively annoying while refuse to see wisdom in my post, then i will leave imagination to you. All the best.

 

[IMMY69]

I can’t be bothered with debating with these people but anyone who says NS’s forte is economics and business is either extremely deluded or shares the same theiving, fraudulent practices as NS himself.

I would like to add more but then that would lead to a lifetime ban..

 

[Syed1]

I can’t be bothered with debating with these people but anyone who says NS’s forte is economics and business is either extremely deluded or shares the same theiving, fraudulent practices as NS himself.

I would like to add more but then that would lead to a lifetime ban..

Completely agree... can't believe there are some people out there who still have their hopes tied with Nawaz Sharif.



Even if you ignore the thieving and the looting and the plundering for a second, Nawaz has been PM for three freaking times. He had 4 years of uninterrupted rule this time, what did he achieve? Our exports are lower than PPP era. Our debt numbers are atrocious. Our tax to GDP has remained stagnant. What are his business and economic achievements? Heck in his three terms as PM he couldn't even build a single hospital where his own wife could be treated.

 

[Bewal Express]

I did. But if you are gonna be repetitively annoying while refuse to see wisdom in my post, then i will leave imagination to you. All the best.

Just for my sake, please enlighten us with a Yes or No.

 

[Mian]

Heck in his three terms as PM he couldn't even build a single hospital where his own wife could be treated.

Please help me to find these 46 or even 6 state of the art hospitals they were supposed to be open by April 2018 and federal govt was working on them.

 

[Waseem]

The system existed long before PMLN came to the power. By the way, PMLN has been in powers for three time and each time get interrupted by Pakistan army. Never once PMLN has been able to complete the term - most of time the term ended within 1-2 years in each term. Even in this term, PMLN is ended within 3 and half years before replaced by nobody that is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of Pakistan establishment.

How do i read beyond that??

For your information it is still PMLN's government and current PM doesn't even consider himself Prime Minister, he says Nawaz is his Prime Minister.

PMLN is completing it's term for the first time, last time i checked Abbasi, Kh Saad, Kh Asif, Abid Sher Ali, Sanaullah etc are ALL PMLN leaders and they are very much PMLN???

Now even bigger question, why did your leader get involved in conspiracy to send Gilani home? Can we say that PPP couldn't perform because Nawaz Sharif and his favourite judge Iftikhar Chauhdry conspired to throw a democratic government??????If you compare Gilani and Sharif's crimes, Gilani just refused to send a letter whereas Nawaz got busted in an international leaks where his undeclared family wealth was exposed.

Let's not even go into Nawaz helping throw 3 governments before in 80s and 90s.

 

[USHK]

How do i read beyond that??

For your information it is still PMLN's government and current PM doesn't even consider himself Prime Minister, he says Nawaz is his Prime Minister.

PMLN is completing it's term for the first time, last time i checked Abbasi, Kh Saad, Kh Asif, Abid Sher Ali, Sanaullah etc are ALL PMLN leaders and they are very much PMLN???

Now even bigger question, why did your leader get involved in conspiracy to send Gilani home? Can we say that PPP couldn't perform because Nawaz Sharif and his favourite judge Iftikhar Chauhdry conspired to throw a democratic government??????If you compare Gilani and Sharif's crimes, Gilani just refused to send a letter whereas Nawaz got busted in an international leaks where his undeclared family wealth was exposed.

Let's not even go into Nawaz helping throw 3 governments before in 80s and 90s.

PMLN is but not Nawaz Sharif. Nawaz Sharif has always been face of PMLN for years. If you take him out, then the next election is your. That is why i am optimist that Imran Khan might win the election.

As the history indicates, Nawaz Sharif has never finished his term in the history of political career and it will stay that way. And with the forced power-sharing agreement, constantly interruption through Military takeover within 1-2 years and 3-and-half-years in this term, so even with the all the odds, Nawaz Sharif did a lot more than many leaders could dream despite ruling Pakistan for decades who truly enjoyed all the powers and the ruling unopposed.

Even the decisions on 2014 in regards to CPEC, energy sectors, development projects, metro projects, military operations within one year right after coming to the power in 2013 will always be silver lining for Pakistan in the time to come. That cannot be deniable.

 

[USHK]

Just for my sake, please enlighten us with a Yes or No.

What enlighten? How can i enlighten you when you have already been enlightened repeatedly and still refuse to see the wisdom of the enlightenment?

 

[Bewal Express]

What enlighten? How can i enlighten you when you have already been enlightened repeatedly and still refuse to see the wisdom of the enlightenment?

Yes or No would suffice!

 

[USHK]

Yes or No would suffice!

You mean you have been enlightened? That is yes. You see the wisdom of the enlightenment? That is No. What more do you want?

 

[Bewal Express]

You mean you have been enlightened? That is yes. You see the wisdom of the enlightenment? That is No. What more do you want?

So many semantics to avoid answering a simple question. Nevermind,it was ever thus for Nooras.

 

[USHK]

So many semantics to avoid answering a simple question. Nevermind,it was ever thus for Nooras.

Of course i will be seen avoiding answering a simple question but that is because you perceive it as that way. The answer is there but your eyes are fixed on elsewhere. Reading comprehension issues are common with Imranistan.

 

[Bewal Express]

Of course i will be seen avoiding answering a simple question but that is because you perceive it as that way. The answer is there but your eyes are fixed on elsewhere. Reading comprehension issues are common with Imranistan.

All Nooras are crooks, they steal from the poor and you lack of answer speaks louder than your answer.

 

[USHK]

All Nooras are crooks, they steal from the poor and you lack of answer speaks louder than your answer.

If i speak like you, you would be in jail simply by assumption alone. And that is the kind of answer you are waiting for me. I already clarified for the umpteenth time which still fails you. #Shocker [sarcasm]

It doesn't matter what i or you believe. It only matters with the evidence. Even then, Nawaz Sharif is now disqualified so what is the point of talking about it now.

Since you are against the theft, then why support Imran Khan who has personally elected Khattak as chairman of PTI? The same chairman of PTI with the history of corruption, anti-kalabaag-dam, pro-TTP, anti-racial, and shady background is now part of PTI - the same man that made Imran Khan apologize for his pro-kalabaag-dam long ago.

I don't have evidence so it is based on the rumor albeit strong one but at the end, weak evidence is no evidence. So what do you say about Imran Khan being acceptance of Khattak despite his shady background while promote the hypocrisy?

 

[Bewal Express]

If i speak like you, you would be in jail simply by assumption alone. And that is the kind of answer you are waiting for me. I already clarified for the umpteenth time which still fails you. #Shocker [sarcasm]




Since you are against the theft, then why support Imran Khan who has personally elected Khattak as chairman of PTI? The same chairman of PTI with the history of corruption, anti-kalabaag-dam, pro-TTP, anti-racial, and shady background is now part of PTI - the same man that made Imran Khan apologize for his pro-kalabaag-dam long ago.

I don't have evidence so it is based on the rumor albeit strong one but at the end, weak evidence is no evidence. So what do you say about Imran Khan being acceptance of Khattak despite his shady background while promote the hypocrisy?

Yes evasion and theft are old Noora tactics. As a Noora you seem worst than your guys at the top. How is is Ishaq Dar these days. Still ill on holiday?

 

[USHK]

Yes evasion and theft are old Noora tactics. As a Noora you seem worst than your guys at the top. How is is Ishaq Dar these days. Still ill on holiday?

Judging by your response; your own quote might serve you well for the time being.

All Nooras are crooks, they steal from the poor and you lack of answer speaks louder than your answer.

 

[Napa]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan cannot have bullet trains, even though this was one of the ruling party’s election promises, Khawaja Saad Rafique told the National Assembly on Tuesday.

“When we asked the Chinese about it, they laughed at us. We should consider the 160kmph train under CPEC as a bullet train. We can’t afford an actual bullet train, there’s no market for it,” the railway minister said.

Admitting that their party had faced a lot of criticism over not launching the project, he said that the country didn’t have enough money to build one. “Even if we do, we don’t have such a big range of upper and middle class passengers who will buy tickets.”

In an articulate speech on the floor of the house, Mr Rafique gave members a comprehensive overview of the performance of his department and insisted that he was doing as much as possible to clean up the department and turn it into a profit-making entity.

Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan are not prepared to turn over railway land to the Pakistan Railways, preventing the department from using them to generate more revenue, he told the house.

“The biggest problem with railway lands across the country is that they are owned by the provincial governments while being under the possession of Pakistan Railways. The provinces are not prepared to turn over these lands to us, despite a Supreme Court order to do so,” he said.

“There isn’t a chief minister I haven’t pleaded with over the past three-and-a-half years. Except Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, which turned over 90pc of such lands to us, the other provinces have not handed us a single marla.”

“How can we commercially exploit land whose title doesn’t belong to us?” he asked.

However, he clarified that land that was occupied by traditional dwellers or slum residents would not be touched. “How can we displace those people; where will they go?” he said, while vowing to act strictly against those who used railway land for commercial purposes.

He claimed 1,017 acres of land had been retrieved from encroachments during his tenure.

Although the minister was supposed to respond to a motion regarding the “non-utilisation of lands of Railways in the country”, he covered nearly all aspects of his department in his detailed remarks.

Narrating his experience of negotiating with the Chinese over projects related to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, the minister said that things were not as rosy as they appeared to be.

“We will not buy a pen worth Rs2 for Rs10, not while I am heading this department,” he said, explaining that the Asian Development Bank (ADB) had been asked to fund the Lahore-Peshawar section.

“Our Chinese friends have expressed their displeasure, but we’ve made it clear that we have the discretion. They should limit themselves to the Karachi-Lahore track, we will dualise the [up-country] tracks with the ADB,” he said.

Accusing previous administrations of mismanaging Pakistan Railways’ affairs, he detailed all the ills of the department he inherited — from adulterated and substandard food in dining cars to the practice of removing original parts from locomotives or cannibalising carriages to fix damaged bogies.

Although his predecessor Ghulam Ahmad Bilour was in the house when Mr Rafique began his remarks, the ANP member left the assembly once the minister began to take aim at his track-record.

Talking about the Karachi circular railway, he said that the project was wrongly distributed between the various governments, given that the bulk of the financial burden had been placed on the federal government. “We’re having problems running a national railway network; how can you expect us to build intra-city systems? Across the world, metros and local trains are run by independent authorities.

“Yes, state institutions must operate with a certain amount of losses, but it must break even.”

He also lamented that all trains are repaired manually. “We are looking to move towards greater automation of this process, which will help curtail human error and accidental deaths.”


Source: http://www.dawn.com/news/1299538/pakistan-cant-afford-bullet-trains?preview

Khawaja Saad Rafique seems like a straight shooting and pragmatic guy. Hope he succeeds and is able to help his country.