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Sadaf Hussain's continued domination in domestic cricket but still no chance at international level?

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First Class Record since 2010:
2010: 64 wkts at 16.13 avg
2011: 49 wkts at 19.55 avg
2012: 25 wkts at 17.88 avg
2013: 38 wkts at 19.13 avg
2014: 36 wkts at 17.88 avg
2015: 36 wkts at 19.55 avg
2016: 28 wkts at 23.07 avg
2017: 47 wkts at 15.02 avg

List A Record :
2014: 21 wkts at 13.86 avg
2015: 20 wkts at 16.55 avg
2016: 13 wkts at 26.54 avg
2016: 9 wkts at 22.56 avg
2017: 18 wkts at 20.11 avg

*2016 I presume was both dep't and regional (Records arent as well kept)

Anyways this record is amazing.

I know people will talk about him being a trundler, getting to bowl on green pitches, poor opposition yada yada. But point is whatever that is surely such performances merit a call-up?

He can only perform in whats in front of him.

Heck - Despite his ATG domestic stats in List A, he doesnt get selected even for Pentagular One Day Tournaments. And never has played for Rawalpindi Rams in domestic T20 despite his unbelievable List A record

I really would like this mystery to be solved one day. Forget internationals. He is not even deemed good enough for Pentagulars and Domestic T20?
 
i really do feel bad for him tbh

you put your head down, work so hard and most importantly, deliver the results yet you are never rewarded or recognized

he is a minority from a humble background and we have had clowns after clowns play for Pakistan and get PSL money but this guy can get neither eventhough he has outperformed all of them whenever they are playing same competition
 
Slog said:
i really do feel bad for him tbh

you put your head down, work so hard and most importantly, deliver the results yet you are never rewarded or recognized

he is a minority from a humble background and we have had clowns after clowns play for Pakistan and get PSL money but this guy can get neither eventhough he has outperformed all of them whenever they are playing same competition
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In Pakistan keeping your head down and working hard does nothing for the person who's doing it all.

The only ones that succeed are those whom are always looking at shortcuts for everything they want to do and achieve.

We have two cases infront of us which have been continuously debated for years- Fawad and Sadaf and where are they today? Still toiling hard in the domestic circuit with knowing that they will never get paid for this all effort of years and years they have put in.
 
Have you seen the domestic wickets? They are green mambas. Even umar amin would be a superstar on those pitches. A few years ago people were hyping up Mir Hamza and he turned out to be a complete dud in PSL. :sarf2
 
Railu Katta said:
Have you seen the domestic wickets? They are green mambas. Even umar amin would be a superstar on those pitches. A few years ago people were hyping up Mir Hamza and he turned out to be a complete dud in PSL. :sarf2
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They are same for everyone. Okay one was dud, what about others? You need to trust your system somehow. If you cant play your top performer then whats the point of having a setup at first place?
 
This is a very strange scenario. When a bowler performs for so many years in the domestic set up, you need toto at least give him a chance. Isn't this the same set up where some of the international batting failures are legends? Just because the last few years have been bowling friendly, you cannot discredit 8 years of hard work and performance. He may fail, but at least should be given a chance. Pakistan have played far worse cricketers over the last few years to become Frank.
 
I think as [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] put it there, he's a minority and that is the only reason I can see he's not getting a chance. Our countrymen are the most pathetic people when it comes to discriminiation based on belief.
 
PCB has no way out of this. They are to blame whether they select him and he fails or they don't select them at all. Simply put, if they don't select him because they feel he isn't good enough then why don't they get off their backsides and try and fix our domestic cricket instead of flattering themselves with a circus T20 tournament that isn't even 1/10th of the IPL.

When the 2 best domestic cricketers of the last 10 years - Fawad Alam and Sadaf Hussain- are deemed not good enough for the international level then what does that say about your domestic cricket? What does that say about the quality of pitches, quality of balls, coaching, etc? The reason they don't select these 2 is because they know they aren't good enough, and instead of putting in the hard yards and trying to invest heavily in domestic cricket, they are fooling everyone with a random T20 league that is full of has-beens and takes credit for "producing" young cricketers that have been coached and developed for many years by the same domestic system that they seem to have total disregard for.
 
There is no doubt that on merit Sadaf Hussain deserved an opportunity to be tried in the national team and there were plenty of vacancies in the team to accomodate him. Surely he could have done a much better job than Rahat Ali. His stats in domestic cricket indicate that he knows how to take wickets.
 
Should be given a chance asap when duds like Rahat can get numerous chances.
 
Ok whatever the reason, may be he is not good enough, have we not had enough of similar threads on him. Let’s move on and talk about someone else now. Forget about him.
 
Railu Katta said:
Have you seen the domestic wickets? They are green mambas. Even umar amin would be a superstar on those pitches. A few years ago people were hyping up Mir Hamza and he turned out to be a complete dud in PSL. :sarf2
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Yet on the same green mambas Fawad alam averages 50+ as a batsmen.. Surely he deserves to be automatic choice for overseas tests?
 
big_gamer007 said:
Yet on the same green mambas Fawad alam averages 50+ as a batsmen.. Surely he deserves to be automatic choice for overseas tests?
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but-but-but he plays most his games at NSK which deems a 50+ avg null and void :facepalm: - If we use this logic then Tabish Khan automatically becomes a GOAT domestic bowlers. Sadaf needs to be given a go - period!
 
Railu Katta said:
Have you seen the domestic wickets? They are green mambas. Even umar amin would be a superstar on those pitches. A few years ago people were hyping up Mir Hamza and he turned out to be a complete dud in PSL. :sarf2
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even if that is true he is still outbowling the competition so he should be ahead of them regardless..

its not a one or 2 season performance
 
PCB should select Sadaf for two or three ODIs and T20s against Zimbabwe or West Indies and get over with it just as they did with Rafatullah.
Fawad Alam should be selected in test matches played in subcontinent as he is a good player of spin.
 
Its gross injustice.

Players are playing Domestic to be selected , otherwise why Domestic cricket is played.
 
Justcrazy said:
Its gross injustice.

Players are playing Domestic to be selected , otherwise why Domestic cricket is played.
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Top wicket taker by a distance in the Departmental One Day Cup, best SR, Ave, everything. Is then selected for Rawalpindi in the Regional Cup, but is not being played in the last few games. What is going on? And what happened to the interview with Azhar about him?
 
New Yorker said:
Top wicket taker by a distance in the Departmental One Day Cup, best SR, Ave, everything. Is then selected for Rawalpindi in the Regional Cup, but is not being played in the last few games. What is going on? And what happened to the interview with Azhar about him?
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Yes.
Really waiting to see Azhars reply on the non selection as basically there is NO reason to ignore him.
 
hes mediocre. Pak fans always clutching onto straws. pp experts think hes better than amir and hasan ali. hes decent but not a bowler to get one excited. 80 mph trundler with abit of swing and height at best
 
New Yorker said:
Top wicket taker by a distance in the Departmental One Day Cup, best SR, Ave, everything. Is then selected for Rawalpindi in the Regional Cup, but is not being played in the last few games. What is going on? And what happened to the interview with Azhar about him?
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This is Bizarre.

I got the answer.


Sadaf Hussain the top wicket taker of Departmental One Day Cup few days ago was not picked for any initial squad of National One Day Cup of regions.



He played 1st 3 matches for Rawalpindi as a replacement of Umar Amin who was on national duty.



Hell.
 
He's a trundler who bowls 130kph only. Unfit as well.

Pakistan team deserves the best Pakistani test pacer Mohammad Amir, who bowls heat consistently.... Oh wait.... Amir also bowls 130 kph and gets tired often. Nevermind.
 
Awful player. So slow and good only for taking wickets over and over again in all conditions, not fit enough to bowl 10 overs over and over again, top wicket taker in domestic tourneys, Man of the Series in List A tours, averages less over multiple years than any other bowler of his generation in domestic List A history. Clearly it is not in the interest of Pakistani cricket to ever let this man bowl in internationals, because we are now overflowing with ODI bowling talent in the shape of Hasan, and Hasan, and there's Hasan. If only we could find another bowler who has been as good as Hasan in domestics in recent years, taking even more wickets than Hasan. Oh wait, I know a name...

No mystery why he is not selected. A website reported it. Got on the wrong side of Shakeel Shaikh.
 
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If he doesn't posses pace, maybe he's the kind of bowler who gets into the mind of batsmen and outwits them? Maybe he's the kind of bowler who has enough mental fortitude to remain unfazed when struck for boundaries and keep coming back? Maybe he's a trundler like McGrath who can pitch the ball on the same spot all day? Maybe he's a grit over flair kind of player?

Being flashy isn't everything.
 
Ocelot said:
If he doesn't posses pace, maybe he's the kind of bowler who gets into the mind of batsmen and outwits them? Maybe he's the kind of bowler who has enough mental fortitude to remain unfazed when struck for boundaries and keep coming back? Maybe he's a trundler like McGrath who can pitch the ball on the same spot all day? Maybe he's a grit over flair kind of player?

Being flashy isn't everything.
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Taking wickets is everything.
 
New Yorker said:
Awful player. So slow and good only for taking wickets over and over again in all conditions, not fit enough to bowl 10 overs over and over again, top wicket taker in domestic tourneys, Man of the Series in List A tours, averages less over multiple years than any other bowler of his generation in domestic List A history. Clearly it is not in the interest of Pakistani cricket to ever let this man bowl in internationals, because we are now overflowing with ODI bowling talent in the shape of Hasan, and Hasan, and there's Hasan. If only we could find another bowler who has been as good as Hasan in domestics in recent years, taking even more wickets than Hasan. Oh wait, I know a name...

No mystery why he is not selected. A website reported it. Got on the wrong side of Shakeel Shaikh.
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What happened? Do you know the full story?
 
How did Shakeel Sheikh get so powerful? He even included his sons in domestic cricket even though they were utter rubbish and no official in the whole country dared to question him.
 
Railu Katta said:
Have you seen the domestic wickets? They are green mambas. Even umar amin would be a superstar on those pitches. A few years ago people were hyping up Mir Hamza and he turned out to be a complete dud in PSL. :sarf2
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According to your logic,the exclusion criteria for Pak national team is playing in Pak domestic league and inclusion criteria is playing in foreign league on fantastic pitches OK?!!! So,why Aamir,Wahab,Sohail,Abbas,Shinwari were and are in the team? Didn't they perform on same pitches?
 
Railu Katta said:
Have you seen the domestic wickets? They are green mambas. Even umar amin would be a superstar on those pitches. A few years ago people were hyping up Mir Hamza and he turned out to be a complete dud in PSL. :sarf2
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At least try to find an example that supports your point, however tenuous it may otherwise be. Mir Hamza averages a rather poor 29 in List A cricket. Whoever was hyping Hamza for a spot in limited overs wasn't doing so on the basis of performance in that format.

The green mamba excuse is otherwise precisely that. Everyone bowls on the same pitches. The selection criterion does not change. You don't pick based on who has done well; you pick on the basis of who has done better, relatively speaking. And no pace bowler in recent history has done as well, as consistently, in List A cricket, as has Sadaf .
 
Oligochaetes said:
How did Shakeel Sheikh get so powerful? He even included his sons in domestic cricket even though they were utter rubbish and no official in the whole country dared to question him.
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Who are his sons?

Never heard of this guy before. Crazy if this guy has so much power he can select who he wants and not select others based on personal dislike. Should be kicked out the PCB if he's abusing his power like that.
 
Coming back to discrimination ... again - he might have issues with Sheikh (This guy is the punching bag in PP and as if QeA will start to produce games with 4 innings like 450, 353, 170, 256 ... in 4 days and 372 overs), but Shakeel Sheikh isn't GOD - he might have a hold on Pindi/Islamabad region, but that guy doesn't control every other region, every corporate, every selector & every PSL franchise.

Why, this guy didn't change his region?
Why he didn't join any other corporate than KRL, based at Pindi?
Why he is hardly picked in any draft system tournament with 5 to 8 teams?
Why the guy wasn't "hunted" by PSL teams?

I won't put any word that disputes the dynamic system run by PCB, but there has to be some logical answer - guy's domestic numbers are like George Lohman, "Terror" Turner, JJ Ferris, Tom Richardson and "Demon" Spoforth from 1880s & 1890s ........
 
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I feel sorry for him that he hasn't even got 1 chance. He might not be good enough but he deserved a chance to prove himself. Surely nepotism is involved in the decision not to give him 1 chance.
 
This is real confusion for Pak, should selectors trust the performance in domestic or not. At the moment it is very selective justice!
 
Senseless Selectors!

Then ho come Fawad is never selected although his performance is best on these super green and bowler friendly wickets!
 
25-28 wicket in whole season on country's most bowler friendly wicket, that's what you call domination :maqsood
 
Hasan123 said:
I feel sorry for him that he hasn't even got 1 chance. He might not be good enough but he deserved a chance to prove himself. Surely nepotism is involved in the decision not to give him 1 chance.
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The rule is, if your performances arent televised, you simply will not be picked by the selectors. Rarely such a player gets selected as an exception rather than a rule.
 
This has to be one of the biggest mysteries of Pakistan cricket as to why this guy continues to be ignored. I mean not selecting him for the national team is one thing but he can't even make it to the list of players available for the PSL draft! It's just baffling really.
 
Red Devil said:
This has to be one of the biggest mysteries of Pakistan cricket as to why this guy continues to be ignored. I mean not selecting him for the national team is one thing but he can't even make it to the list of players available for the PSL draft! It's just baffling really.
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What could be the potential reasons?

Imo :

1) not playing enough televised games. He must play more televised games.

2) Poor marketing. He needs to create awareness about his performances through multiple social media platforms.

3) Too much self-respect. He needs to be shameless and cry foul on national television many times.
 
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Madplayer said:
What could be the potential reasons?

Imo :

1) not playing enough televised games. He must play more televised games.

2) Poor marketing. He needs to create awareness about his performances through multiple social media platforms.

3) Too much self-respect. He needs to be shameless and cry foul on national television many times.
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There's plenty of awareness, everyone knows about him. We have been crying about him here on PP for years now. Plus if the selectors knew about Abbas then they sure as hell know about Sadaf too.
 
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PCB hasn't learnt from Bangladesh. Bangladesh's improved performances over the years is due to selection of domestic performer players in national team. Latest example is inclusion of Fazle Rabbi in ODO team against Zimbabwe. Rabbi is a complete new face in the team and one of the topmost performer in domestics with the bat in last few years.
 
Red Devil said:
There's plenty of awareness, everyone knows about him. We have been crying about him here on PP for years now. Plus if the selectors knew about Abbas then they sure as hell know about Sadaf too.
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And the fact is that Abbas’ performances takes away all the arguments about bowling speed and style away and show that if you are domestic beast you will make Ann impact in international cricket most likely

So if Abbas is doing well how come Sadaf who smokes Abbas’ record in domestic cannot get a gig
 
Abid Z said:
Let alone the international squad, he isn’t even picked In psl
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That's because Inzi the champion of morality will have a right dilemma if he is picked and performs in PSL. There is a defacto ban on him for reasons only Inzi knows best. Perhaps Sadaf should hope his chachu also becomes chief selector then he will get a free pass to the side.
 
Syed1 said:
That's because Inzi the champion of morality will have a right dilemma if he is picked and performs in PSL. There is a defacto ban on him for reasons only Inzi knows best. Perhaps Sadaf should hope his chachu also becomes chief selector then he will get a free pass to the side.
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This so called ban predates inzi. What I find astonishing is that even people like waqar who must know of him as he was in the touring squad against West Indies and England in the UAE alongside Yasir Shah in 2012 (or there abouts) also ignore him and don’t mention on air. I mean heck, this guy even got a mention in the guardian newspaper in England 6 years ago. So I’m astonished that in all these interviews with Mickey Or inzi we don’t regularly bring up sadaf.
 
I’ve given up on hopes of him playing
For players like him and Fawad I wouldn’t be annoyed if they gave up their hopes to play in Pakistan and settle in another country to boost their chances
 
Sadaf hussain continues to pile up his wickets tally in domestic Cricket. Today, he took 5-44 against NBP in first innings playing for KRL at KRL Stadium Rawalpindi.

Are we ever going to see this gem in Pakistani colors or has the boat already sailed for him. I wonder what else does he need to do to get the attention of selectors.
 
Madplayer said:
What could be the potential reasons?

Imo :

1) not playing enough televised games. He must play more televised games.

2) Poor marketing. He needs to create awareness about his performances through multiple social media platforms.

3) Too much self-respect. He needs to be shameless and cry foul on national television many times.
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The bolded is very true, but we desperately need less of this to move forward as a nation, cricketing wise and in general.
 
This is extreme injustice to a player and extreme deprivation for your national team, I think it is only found in Pakistan. He would have played 8 years by now in BD national jersy if he were a Bangladeshi,I can assure you.Our selectors rightly value domestic performers.
 
Syed1 said:
That's because Inzi the champion of morality will have a right dilemma if he is picked and performs in PSL. There is a defacto ban on him for reasons only Inzi knows best. Perhaps Sadaf should hope his chachu also becomes chief selector then he will get a free pass to the side.
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Imam has proven worthy of his free pass.
 
This is a big issue in Pakistan. Selectors are reluctant to give any credit to first class matches. This is leading to no where . Performances in first class has to be made criteria of selection.
 
Ah but he can't bat.
Ah but he can't field.

Are the reasons being given.
 
Saj said:
Ah but he can't bat.
Ah but he can't field.

Are the reasons being given.
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Are we picking him for his batting and fielding or his bowling?

It’s funny how some players get picked and get chances repeatedly over many years without any sort of performance rhyme and reason and some like fawad and Sadaf hardly a game

I guess it’s who you know and whether the face fits that matters more
 
Bowling currently in a teleivsed match (Khan Research Laboratories vs Multan Region).
 
Has anyone ever asked a question directly to Inzamam about Sadaf? I am really curious. There have been questions about Fawad Alam but never in my memory about Sadaf.

What about Mickey Arthur?

I am not interested in speculation - but really to hear from the decision makers what stops them?
 
he bowled well today within his limitations and took a wicket as well,
 
People who have seen Sadaf think he is not of international standard, good only for domestic cricket and that too on Rawalpindi wicket only.
 
Trundlers like wahab and Rahat are getting series after series whereas this poor guy doesn't even get selected in Pakistan A team. What will be his confidence level? And what will be the effect of it to future generation fast bowlers?
 
4 less games than Mohammad Abbas in first-class and has a bowling average of 18.57, in comparison to Mohammad Abbas's bowling average of 19.48, oh and they're both 28 years old. PCB time to give him a chance?
 
Is there any video of this mysterious bowler that we haven’t seen? I keep reading his name popping up in this forum, but I am yet to see footage of him.
 
Slog said:
First Class Record since 2010:
2010: 64 wkts at 16.13 avg
2011: 49 wkts at 19.55 avg
2012: 25 wkts at 17.88 avg
2013: 38 wkts at 19.13 avg
2014: 36 wkts at 17.88 avg
2015: 36 wkts at 19.55 avg
2016: 28 wkts at 23.07 avg
2017: 47 wkts at 15.02 avg

List A Record :
2014: 21 wkts at 13.86 avg
2015: 20 wkts at 16.55 avg
2016: 13 wkts at 26.54 avg
2016: 9 wkts at 22.56 avg
2017: 18 wkts at 20.11 avg

*2016 I presume was both dep't and regional (Records arent as well kept)

Anyways this record is amazing.

I know people will talk about him being a trundler, getting to bowl on green pitches, poor opposition yada yada. But point is whatever that is surely such performances merit a call-up?

He can only perform in whats in front of him.

Heck - Despite his ATG domestic stats in List A, he doesnt get selected even for Pentagular One Day Tournaments. And never has played for Rawalpindi Rams in domestic T20 despite his unbelievable List A record

I really would like this mystery to be solved one day. Forget internationals. He is not even deemed good enough for Pentagulars and Domestic T20?
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2019 Average: 48.40
 
So one somewhat bad season is enough to erase years of consistent success? He’s not picked in the Northern squad this year it seems. Even in second eleven. There really are different standards for him it seems
 
Slog said:
So one somewhat bad season is enough to erase years of consistent success? He’s not picked in the Northern squad this year it seems. Even in second eleven. There really are different standards for him it seems
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Hammad Azam averaged 17 for three seasons shall we also select him. Selection is not about quantitative stats one has to look at the player. We played with a grays ball on undercooked pitches for years which is why such guys did well. One look at him and you can tell he's not quality. He falls away is his action has no real bite. Is not fit and has no real potential to improve. Rahat ali is a far better bowler
 
zarak said:
Hammad Azam averaged 17 for three seasons shall we also select him. Selection is not about quantitative stats one has to look at the player. We played with a grays ball on undercooked pitches for years which is why such guys did well. One look at him and you can tell he's not quality. He falls away is his action has no real bite. Is not fit and has no real potential to improve. Rahat ali is a far better bowler
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So you’re saying he doesn’t merit domestic selection either :))

Also if everyone had the same conditions why didn’t they do better?
 
Maybe he should have been given a few chances to play for Pakistan given his domestic stats. The selectors back then kept commenting don't be fooled by his stats, he is a green top bully and will be exposed when he plays on international pitches and with the kookaburra ball
 
Sadaf was picked for the WI tour in 2011 when Waqar was the head coach and Misbah was the captain. Why did these guys not give him just one opportunity on that tour?
 
Slog said:
So you’re saying he doesn’t merit domestic selection either :))

Also if everyone had the same conditions why didn’t they do better?
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In my opinion no he does not merit domestic selection. Regarding your second question, other people didn't do better because his style is well suited to the grays ball and under cooked pitches. I Gave you the example of Hammad Azam who averaged 18 bowling at 120 kph. Few years ago a 40 year old pacer named Rashid Latif topped the charts. Mir Hamza is also another example of someone who did great with the grays ball. With flatter pitches and the kookooburra ball these guys are not well suited. If you watch last seasons domestic matches you will get what I mean.
 
Slog said:
First Class Record since 2010:
2010: 64 wkts at 16.13 avg
2011: 49 wkts at 19.55 avg
2012: 25 wkts at 17.88 avg
2013: 38 wkts at 19.13 avg
2014: 36 wkts at 17.88 avg
2015: 36 wkts at 19.55 avg
2016: 28 wkts at 23.07 avg
2017: 47 wkts at 15.02 avg

List A Record :
2014: 21 wkts at 13.86 avg
2015: 20 wkts at 16.55 avg
2016: 13 wkts at 26.54 avg
2016: 9 wkts at 22.56 avg
2017: 18 wkts at 20.11 avg

*2016 I presume was both dep't and regional (Records arent as well kept)

Anyways this record is amazing.

I know people will talk about him being a trundler, getting to bowl on green pitches, poor opposition yada yada. But point is whatever that is surely such performances merit a call-up?

He can only perform in whats in front of him.

Heck - Despite his ATG domestic stats in List A, he doesnt get selected even for Pentagular One Day Tournaments. And never has played for Rawalpindi Rams in domestic T20 despite his unbelievable List A record

I really would like this mystery to be solved one day. Forget internationals. He is not even deemed good enough for Pentagulars and Domestic T20?
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He is Fawad Alam of pace bowling
 
Slog said:
So you’re saying he doesn’t merit domestic selection either :))

Also if everyone had the same conditions why didn’t they do better?
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Based on his stats he warrants a place u can only play on the pitches are you given
 
He is now 30 years old.

Slowly but slowly approaching Misbah's selection radar.
 
shamaan said:
Based on his stats he warrants a place u can only play on the pitches are you given
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If selection is about stats then why have selectors. Just get a computer to spit out the squads. One look at the guy and you can tell that he is not international level
 
There really needs to be some standardization when it comes to bowling. People just dismiss bowling stats down to getting weak players out, conditions, division etc.

What I would do is have a few matches every now and again where the best domestic bowlers along with the current international bowlers get to bowl to the international Pakistan team batsmen. Then the scorecards to be published publicly. Then we can see how these domestic bowlers compare to the international ones.
 
He has been exposed since the revamp of domestic structure and better quality pitched and bowls.
 
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