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Sadiq Sanjrani becomes Chairman Senate (1st time from Baluchistan), What a tactical move Imran Khan!

Establishment se yaad aaya so called "Mullah-Military" alliance (JI and JUIF) both voted for PMLN in these elections, ab woh jamhoori ho gaye hain?
 
Bewal Express said:
This is such a terrible justification from the children of Zia that its not worth replying to but suffice to say that IK was a brilliant cricketer with or without Zia(one of the best ever on every scale) but your duffer was nothing without his daddy. NS is Zias child and without the patronage he was nothing. So everytime you blabber about the establishment, just remember the Noora king owes his whole career to the establishment.
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He is a three time PM of this country and IKs achievements stand pale compared to that winning a world cup on hid 3rd attempt. Nawaz became PM two times me after Zia, but the closest Imran came to becoming PM was when daddy Musharraf spoon fed him a position 18 years ago otherwise he is as close to that as a penguin learning how to fly :))
 
Imran is not even the best test captain in this country he is 3rd stats wise behind Misbah and Miandad
 
waleed88 said:
He is a three time PM of this country and IKs achievements stand pale compared to that winning a world cup on hid 3rd attempt. Nawaz became PM two times me after Zia, but the closest Imran came to becoming PM was when daddy Musharraf spoon fed him a position 18 years ago otherwise he is as close to that as a penguin learning how to fly :))
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Being a prime minister thrice is no achievement when you have never been able to complete a full tenure due to incompetency and corruption.
 
waleed88 said:
He is a three time PM of this country and IKs achievements stand pale compared to that winning a world cup on hid 3rd attempt. Nawaz became PM two times me after Zia, but the closest Imran came to becoming PM was when daddy Musharraf spoon fed him a position 18 years ago otherwise he is as close to that as a penguin learning how to fly :))
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Laughing at own jokes doesnt make it funny, its rather sad. The duffer is Zias child and has been helped by the establishment to be PM all 3 times, so where is the great achievement? As pointed previously the guy cant string a sentence together and all his life was the establishment man, without whose help he would be some Middle Income Lohar( this is based one his dads tax returns).
As far as IK is concerned Zia offered him positions in govt, he turned them down, Mush offered, he turned them down because he isnt greedy like your duffer.
And as far as your knowledge on cricket goes, well its worse than your knowledge on politics. IK is one the best cricketers ever to play the game, one of the best captains of PK , if not the best and he doesn't require a certificate from an illiterate Noora to authenticate it.
 
PPP nominates Sherry Rehman as Senate opposition leader

The PPP on Wednesday started lobbying for Senator Sherry Rehman after party Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari nominated her for the position of the leader of opposition in the Senate.

A PPP delegation comprising Senator Rehman; the newly elected Senate deputy chairman, Saleem Mandviwalla; National Assembly opposition leader, Khursheed Shah; and others met members of the upper house of parliament from Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) on Wednesday.

The delegation thanked Fata senators for their role in the victory of Senate Chairman Sadiq Sanjrani and Mandviwalla and sought their support for Senator Rehman's election.

The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI), which has 12 members in the Senate, has been informed of the decision by the PPP, sources in the PTI said. The party, which supported Sanjrani and Mandviwalla, has decided not to back Rehman and put forward its own candidate for the post, sources added.

Khursheed Shah also met with Sanjrani to congratulate him on becoming the chairman of the upper house where the latter requested the former to pray for his success as the post was a huge responsibility for him.

Shahrbano Rehman, better known as Sherry Rehman, was born on 21st December 1960 in Karachi. She was educated at Smith College and later at the University of Sussex where she studied Art History and Political Science.

Rehman has served as an MNA and a minister in the centre for various departments including health, women development and information. She has also served as Pakistan's ambassador to United States in PPP-led government's recent term.

The Senate elects the chairman, deputy chairman, leader of the house and leader of the opposition every three years after elections for half of its members are held. While the chairman and deputy chairman were elected on Monday, elections for the leader of the house and opposition are yet to take place.

The leader of the opposition is chosen by a majority vote of members of the opposition.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1395213/ppp-nominates-sherry-rehman-as-senate-opposition-leader
 
Jamhuryat ke champions aik dictator se oath lete hue :yk

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saeedhk said:
Being a prime minister thrice is no achievement when you have never been able to complete a full tenure due to incompetency and corruption.
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Yes its no achievement getting millions of people to vote for you, ofcourse otherwise we would always have the army in power if it wasn't for the people
 
saeedhk said:
Yes and then?How has that helped Imran Khan’s politics?

Very naive and illogical argument.
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Well lapping up whatever is thrown at you is leftovers not politics :)) which is what Khan got, if he had just accepted that and not been a melodrama like he has always been, we would have seen him as Musharraf's PM and we would have gotten rid of the menace that Imran Khan is today... and all you fans would have your 'bruised ego' rested about Khan bringing change to Pakistan..

Pakistani politics would be a more peaceful atmosphere right now
 
Mian said:
Jamhuryat ke champions aik dictator se oath lete hue :yk

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Well they knew Musharraf was on his way out after ending his term, so no need to create hue and cry about it... this was 2008 btw when PPP won the elections.

This was not a 'pseudo' parliament that Musharraf had rigged in his favor and was controlling through military means
 
Bewal Express said:
Laughing at own jokes doesnt make it funny, its rather sad. The duffer is Zias child and has been helped by the establishment to be PM all 3 times, so where is the great achievement? As pointed previously the guy cant string a sentence together and all his life was the establishment man, without whose help he would be some Middle Income Lohar( this is based one his dads tax returns).
As far as IK is concerned Zia offered him positions in govt, he turned them down, Mush offered, he turned them down because he isnt greedy like your duffer.
And as far as your knowledge on cricket goes, well its worse than your knowledge on politics. IK is one the best cricketers ever to play the game, one of the best captains of PK , if not the best and he doesn't require a certificate from an illiterate Noora to authenticate it.
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All these people who have an inferiority complex and love to serve ***** are embarrassed by a guy who can't speak english. These people need to learn from India, China and Turkey as examples.

But thanks to our military establishment, who love to speak in their real owners language, even half their commands orgiinate in English words, yehi asal ghulaam hain mulk kay
 
Senate election was dress rehearsal for what to expect in few months. Only party victorious out of that is the one that does not run for anything and controls everything. They are already making another IJI, like they have always done. All kind of lota cracy **** was going on thought out this process, who was managing all this, the same beloved Army. They are controlling all the pieces.

PTI and PPP are now in bed, who is bigger thief Zardari or NS? - It was bad enough for IK to have their left over lotas in his party, now he is making alliance with one of them. It is 1980s Pakistan all over again. An IJI engineered by Pak Army to make sure political institutions never get out of control... PPers may not have red history of Pakistan carefully, it was the Army who brought lota cracy and money into the politics in a central way back in 80s to get rid of then rogue element aka Benezir Bhutto, they had non-parties election, created Muslim League, then IJI all sponsored by Army...We have never get out of that cycle...

Pakistan does not have corruption problem but a cultural problem, there is no way to fix corruption until you fix the culture. As long as Army is the king, this country has no future :faceplam:
 
yasir said:
Senate election was dress rehearsal for what to expect in few months. Only party victorious out of that is the one that does not run for anything and controls everything. They are already making another IJI, like they have always done. All kind of lota cracy **** was going on thought out this process, who was managing all this, the same beloved Army. They are controlling all the pieces.

PTI and PPP are now in bed, who is bigger thief Zardari or NS? - It was bad enough for IK to have their left over lotas in his party, now he is making alliance with one of them. It is 1980s Pakistan all over again. An IJI engineered by Pak Army to make sure political institutions never get out of control... PPers may not have red history of Pakistan carefully, it was the Army who brought lota cracy and money into the politics in a central way back in 80s to get rid of then rogue element aka Benezir Bhutto, they had non-parties election, created Muslim League, then IJI all sponsored by Army...We have never get out of that cycle...

Pakistan does not have corruption problem but a cultural problem, there is no way to fix corruption until you fix the culture. As long as Army is the king, this country has no future :faceplam:
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Very true. The supporters of some political parties are considering it a win for their respective parties without dvelving or opting to dvelve into the mechanisms how a senator without any political affiliation can be chosen for the biggest seat in upper house of parliament. They are failing to recognize the fact that this process was initiated 2 months back with the resignation of Balochistan CM; was further helped by judiciary on the way, and culminated in selection of a chairman, whose only loyalty has been with the most powerful party all these years. And this time most powerful party was our holy Establishment, so decision was quite easy for him.

After all this work by Rabbani, the Senate has finally been neutralized. Turn your horses towards lower house now, boys! Next step, neutralizing and subduing National Assembly.
 
Excuses coming in already, we heard exactly same stuff in 2013 and then turns out that 100 PMLQ/PPP members joined PMLN and they got more seats than ever before in history.

As Hamid Mir said few days ago that General Kyani also helped PMLN and i won't be surprised if this happens again, there was a reason why both Sharifs were called by their masters in Saudi Arabia just couple of months ago.
 
You know things are bad when your revolutionary leader and so called next DEMOCRATIC hope is the biggest beneficiary of establishment and most corrupt in history of country responsible for conspiring against many governments in 3 decades :))
 
waleed88 said:
Well they knew Musharraf was on his way out after ending his term, so no need to create hue and cry about it... this was 2008 btw when PPP won the elections.

This was not a 'pseudo' parliament that Musharraf had rigged in his favor and was controlling through military means
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lol at defending every act of nooras btw who allowed him to go out? dont tell me nawaz shareef did it to make establishment happy :yk
 
Mian said:
lol at defending every act of nooras btw who allowed him to go out? dont tell me nawaz shareef did it to make establishment happy :yk
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Yes, and a case was started against Musharraf but we all know who conducted the 2014 dharnas.... and who got him out, which Musharraf confessed to be Raheel Sharif the one who 'removed' the pressure on the courts. He said this in one of the interviews.
 
waleed88 said:
Yes, and a case was started against Musharraf but we all know who conducted the 2014 dharnas.... and who got him out, which Musharraf confessed to be Raheel Sharif the one who 'removed' the pressure on the courts. He said this in one of the interviews.
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Who was PM and ruling party with a clear majority when Mush went out? NS should be thankful to Raheel who saved his @$$ twice once in dherna and once in dawn leaks it's not that NS got nothing in exchange of that deal. Noora is known to break any deal to save his @$$ starting from 1985 there are enough examples
 
Mian said:
Who was PM and ruling party with a clear majority when Mush went out? NS should be thankful to Raheel who saved his @$$ twice once in dherna and once in dawn leaks it's not that NS got nothing in exchange of that deal. Noora is known to break any deal to save his @$$ starting from 1985 there are enough examples
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Yes, so basically if an elected government has a right to end its term, the credit should be given to the military establishment for not taking over from the government. Which they already are with all our foreign policies and CPEC, but whatever is left of the government mandate is not taken away and army should be credited for that? Bhai aap do goli disprin khayein and pray for Martial law... because there is no point talking with people who want to see martial law again
 
waleed88 said:
Yes, so basically if an elected government has a right to end its term, the credit should be given to the military establishment for not taking over from the government. Which they already are with all our foreign policies and CPEC, but whatever is left of the government mandate is not taken away and army should be credited for that? Bhai aap do goli disprin khayein and pray for Martial law... because there is no point talking with people who want to see martial law again
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Martial law wesa he wala jo nawaz sharif ke sayasai waalid Zia ne lagaya tha and nawaz ne apne he PM junejo ko kickout kerwa dya tha?
 
waleed88 said:
Yes, and a case was started against Musharraf but we all know who conducted the 2014 dharnas.... and who got him out, which Musharraf confessed to be Raheel Sharif the one who 'removed' the pressure on the courts. He said this in one of the interviews.
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As NS let Mushy go, is NS a coward?
 
Mian said:
Martial law wesa he wala jo nawaz sharif ke sayasai waalid Zia ne lagaya tha and nawaz ne apne he PM junejo ko kickout kerwa dya tha?
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Dont ask awkward questions that dont fit in with his narrative. He already told us that the guy is a coward who is power hungry and doesnt have any courage to stand up to anyone.
 
Getting the poor to vote for you by threatening them through feudals, goons and police is no achievement.
 
waleed88 said:
Well lapping up whatever is thrown at you is leftovers not politics :)) which is what Khan got, if he had just accepted that and not been a melodrama like he has always been, we would have seen him as Musharraf's PM and we would have gotten rid of the menace that Imran Khan is today... and all you fans would have your 'bruised ego' rested about Khan bringing change to Pakistan..

Pakistani politics would be a more peaceful atmosphere right now
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What are you trying to say? I cannot comprehend you. I asked, "How did that help Imran Khan's politics?"
 
saeedhk said:
What are you trying to say? I cannot comprehend you. I asked, "How did that help Imran Khan's politics?"
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If Imran didn't have an army background? Do you really think he would be backed the way he is right now? Are you in denial?
 
waleed88 said:
If Imran didn't have an army background? Do you really think he would be backed the way he is right now? Are you in denial?
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You were talking about Zia and how Imran Khan licked his boot by coming out retirement to lead Pakistan to world cup glory to which I asked how did they help Imran Khan's political career. Now, you are talking about Imran Khan's army background. Too much sidetracking! And, how do you know he has backing of the army?
 
saeedhk said:
You were talking about Zia and how Imran Khan licked his boot by coming out retirement to lead Pakistan to world cup glory to which I asked how did they help Imran Khan's political career. Now, you are talking about Imran Khan's army background. Too much sidetracking! And, how do you know he has backing of the army?
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Thats common knowledge. General Pasha and the ISI boosted his image from the first jalsa he conducted in 2011 in december to all the time he was supported by Raheel Sharif in his two dharnas of 2014 and 2016.

All this is available online on multiple forums you can search yourself
 
waleed88 said:
Thats common knowledge. General Pasha and the ISI boosted his image from the first jalsa he conducted in 2011 in december to all the time he was supported by Raheel Sharif in his two dharnas of 2014 and 2016.

All this is available online on multiple forums you can search yourself
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First thing that wasn't his first jalsa (and it happened in oct not dec) he already had many jalsas before that jalsas and wave was already building up there. Next you think ISI is strong enough to arrange a few lakh people for jalsas lol? Your last point is wrong again the blame of 2014 dherna was on ISI chief Zaheer ul Islam not Army Chief Raheel Shareef and even nooras allegation was ISI chief bypassed Raheel Shareef to arrange that dherna and Raheel Shareef helped them get out of it safely. As you recommended next time do some research yourself before posting "common knowledge shared over internet"
 
waleed88 said:
Thats common knowledge. General Pasha and the ISI boosted his image from the first jalsa he conducted in 2011 in december to all the time he was supported by Raheel Sharif in his two dharnas of 2014 and 2016.

All this is available online on multiple forums you can search yourself
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A person can say anything and back it up with , ‘It’s common knowledge.’ Not good enough.
 
Mian said:
First thing that wasn't his first jalsa (and it happened in oct not dec) he already had many jalsas before that jalsas and wave was already building up there. Next you think ISI is strong enough to arrange a few lakh people for jalsas lol? Your last point is wrong again the blame of 2014 dherna was on ISI chief Zaheer ul Islam not Army Chief Raheel Shareef and even nooras allegation was ISI chief bypassed Raheel Shareef to arrange that dherna and Raheel Shareef helped them get out of it safely. As you recommended next time do some research yourself before posting "common knowledge shared over internet"
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If you read up, the only one who benefitted from the Dharna 2014 was General Raheel Sharif, as he gathered some political space which Nawaz lost. It also helped the Army get rid of Musharraf as all the cases on him were let go and he was allowed to leave the country on health issues.

After the Dharna, Nawaz actually towed to Raheel's line for quite a while until he finally tried to do something via Dawn Leaks.

If you think Raheel Sharif was really innocent in all this, remember nothing can move an inch in this country without the army's permission. If the Islamabad Dharna was happening, it was because 'someone' allowed it to happen in the center of the capital of this country.

If the Faizabad Dharna happened, it was obvious someone wanted to get his political toes wet. The statement 'Apnay hi logo par kaisay action lay lain' should ring a bell.

The only country that allows Army generals/ chief of army staff to have their own 'doctrine' is a country where all of his indirectly or directly ends up benefitting the army at the cost of civilian leadership and the powers they have is Pakistan.

As far as 2011 Jalsas go, yes General Pasha was behind it, secondly the one in KArachi happened in december, and that was also backed by Gen. Pasha. SInce nobody came to Khans jalsas before this
 
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waleed88 said:
If you read up, the only one who benefitted from the Dharna 2014 was General Raheel Sharif, as he gathered some political space which Nawaz lost. It also helped the Army get rid of Musharraf as all the cases on him were let go and he was allowed to leave the country on health issues.

After the Dharna, Nawaz actually towed to Raheel's line for quite a while until he finally tried to do something via Dawn Leaks.

If you think Raheel Sharif was really innocent in all this, remember nothing can move an inch in this country without the army's permission. If the Islamabad Dharna was happening, it was because 'someone' allowed it to happen in the center of the capital of this country.

If the Faizabad Dharna happened, it was obvious someone wanted to get his political toes wet. The statement 'Apnay hi logo par kaisay action lay lain' should ring a bell.

The only country that allows Army generals/ chief of army staff to have their own 'doctrine' is a country where all of his indirectly or directly ends up benefitting the army at the cost of civilian leadership and the powers they have is Pakistan.

As far as 2011 Jalsas go, yes General Pasha was behind it, secondly the one in KArachi happened in december, and that was also backed by Gen. Pasha. SInce nobody came to Khans jalsas before this
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So in short Army is evil and ISI can arrange lakhs of people to attend jalda ok fine got it thanks
 
Mian said:
So in short Army is evil and ISI can arrange lakhs of people to attend jalda ok fine got it thanks
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nope. It was a mixture of Q supporters pervez elahi and shujaat hussain in lahore and alot of mqm supporters in karachi as well. I was also at the karachi jalsa so i know. Along with the neutrals who showed up and ofcourse pti supporters. But lakh people dont form just like that you need the numbers. Army/ISI can't mobilize masses they just organize stuff.

Otherwise our army would win elections everytime.
 
Mian said:
So in short Army is evil and ISI can arrange lakhs of people to attend jalda ok fine got it thanks
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Noora logic, dont argue agains it. ISI forces people to go to jalsas. This was the guy who couldnt explain why Nooras attacked IK when its the maulvis attacked them.
 
waleed88 said:
nope. It was a mixture of Q supporters pervez elahi and shujaat hussain in lahore and alot of mqm supporters in karachi as well. I was also at the karachi jalsa so i know. Along with the neutrals who showed up and ofcourse pti supporters. But lakh people dont form just like that you need the numbers. Army/ISI can't mobilize masses they just organize stuff.

Otherwise our army would win elections everytime.
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You SERIOUSLY do not understand that passion and support in masses cannot be planted, please wake up and smell some coffee. Imran Khan is not a planted leader like Nawaz, he had 1 seat for fist 15 years of his career even though he was honest, educated, popular and high achiever.

No Pasha could ever influence people to attend jalsas and rallies, i personally know many overseas Pakistanis who travelled to Pakistan only to vote for Imran Khan, my school friends who HATED politics travelled all the way to even KPK (from Punjab) to attend rallies of Imran Khan often getting in trouble from parents (as there were massive terrorism issues back in 2010-2013)

Yes establishment plays lots of games and lot happens behind the scenes, there is a very good reason biggest crooks like Nawaz and Zardari still end up ruling us. Nawaz Sharif has been the biggest beneficiary of establishment in history of Pakistan so if you really have issue with establishment then Nawaz is the LAST person anyone should support.
 
Waseem said:
You SERIOUSLY do not understand that passion and support in masses cannot be planted, please wake up and smell some coffee. Imran Khan is not a planted leader like Nawaz, he had 1 seat for fist 15 years of his career even though he was honest, educated, popular and high achiever.

No Pasha could ever influence people to attend jalsas and rallies, i personally know many overseas Pakistanis who travelled to Pakistan only to vote for Imran Khan, my school friends who HATED politics travelled all the way to even KPK (from Punjab) to attend rallies of Imran Khan often getting in trouble from parents (as there were massive terrorism issues back in 2010-2013)

Yes establishment plays lots of games and lot happens behind the scenes, there is a very good reason biggest crooks like Nawaz and Zardari still end up ruling us. Nawaz Sharif has been the biggest beneficiary of establishment in history of Pakistan so if you really have issue with establishment then Nawaz is the LAST person anyone should support.
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My own extended family, cousins aunts, uncles traveled to dharnas from UK, Canada and within Pakistan. Noone forced them at all.
 
Most hilarious part of this debate is that people suspect there might be hidden hands supporting a party that has NEVER come to power but they have no issues supporting the man who has PROVEN case of accepting money from ISI and has been responsible for throwing 3 governments and due to those hidden hands became:

1) Finance minister (ZERO MERIT OR EFFORT but father's contacts with General Zia ul HAQ helped)
2) Chief Minister (ZERO MERIT OR EFFORT but father's contacts with General Zia ul HAQ helped)
3) Prime Minister (After accepting money as per Asghar Khan case from ISI to throw Benazir gov)
4) Prime Minister& brother Chief minister (After throwing another Benazir government)
5) Prime Minister & brother chief minister (After proudly disqualifying sitting Prime Minister Gilani on much less serious charges)

Ye aap k inqilaabi hain :))
 
Pakpak said:
My own extended family, cousins aunts, uncles traveled to dharnas from UK, Canada and within Pakistan. Noone forced them at all.
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Yaar i know dozens of close friends and extended family members who did this.

Personally, i left Pakistan as a teenager and have been away for 22 years (spent around 6 months in total in Pakistan during that time) so what on earth is Pasha or even Imran Khan giving me to spend so much time worrying about Pakistan?
 
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Imran Khan has checkmated all recent moves of Zardari. He wanted his Chairman Senate Mandwiwala and made huge investments in Balochistan on MPs, Khan stopped tha from happening. Zardari bought PTI people in KP to get 2 senate seats and also to use these candidates later in GE2018 against PTI, IK exposed them and really damaged their political career and Zardari's future game.

Lekin Imran ko sayasat nae aati :))
 
Mian said:
Imran Khan has checkmated all recent moves of Zardari. He wanted his Chairman Senate Mandwiwala and made huge investments in Balochistan on MPs, Khan stopped tha from happening. Zardari bought PTI people in KP to get 2 senate seats and also to use these candidates later in GE2018 against PTI, IK exposed them and really damaged their political career and Zardari's future game.

Lekin Imran ko sayasat nae aati :))
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It's as if IK read my post last night on electables and the threat they posed and decided to sort it out straight away :)))
 
Eagle_Eye said:
It's as if IK read my post last night on electables and the threat they posed and decided to sort it out straight away :)))
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He even warned those electables by saying in same press conf that if someone is paying big money to any PTI leader for tickets than stop wasting your money because i am not gonna give you ticket like that. (Last time javed hashmi made good money by giving tickets)
 
He survives against joint opposition but imran ko siasat nae ati na? :yk
 
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