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Since his return he has played in 4 tournaments. These include:

1. Patron's One Day Cup
2. Pakistan Cup
3. Afghan T20 League
4. National T20 Cup (ongoing)

However there is only one tournament worth mentioning where he actually faced decent competition.

For Patron's One day Cup where he played for WAPDA the around top 20 players in the country were out for Asia Cup/WT20. Secondly there were dozen+ departmental and domestic teams diluting the quality of teams especially when the top players were out of the country

Kind of similar story with the ongoing National T20 Cup

Afghan T20 league consisted of players where even Afghan rejects were playing so I dont think that was higher than club cricket level

The Pakistan Cup is higher level than the other 2 because all the top players in the country were appearing and the best talent in the country was consolidated in 5 teams thus increasing the quality of competition

In the 5 matches, Butt averaged a poor 27 at a Strike Rate of 64.6. This is in a tournament where Khalid Latif averaged 126.00, Imam ul Haq - 102.00, Ahmed Shezad 74, Azhar Ali 70, Khurram Manzoor, Sami Aslam, Misbah and Fakhar Zaman all above 55+

So in comparison to them Salman Butt was poor

His individual scores were:

League matches-
10 (13) vs Hasan Ali, Irfan and Gohar
9 (26) vs Tanvir, Junaid Khan, Gul
77 (114) vs Zia ul Haq, Rahat Ali, Zohaib Khan, Yasir
Final -
0 (2) vs Zia ul Haq

So as you can see his performance was poor all round and only match where he scored runs were against the weakest attack (at SR of 67)
 
And somehow [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] feels he can survive against Australia....
 
Problem is,

He still performed better than Sharjeel Khan, Shoaib Malik, Sohaib Maqsood, Sarfraz Ahmed (our captain!), and Nasir Jamshed.

Either they're all rubbish or you can call it a wash and realize this isn't much of a sample size at all.

I wouldn't put too much weight on 4/5 matches (one way or the other). Look at how he performs throughout the domestic season.
 
If anyond thinks that the board will let him play in Pakistan team ever again after being the head of the spot fixing scandal then I have bad news for you. Even the most besharam board in the world wouldn't do such a thing. And Salman Butt even if allowed to play is mediocre at best.
 
kingusama92 said:
Problem is,

He still performed better than Sharjeel Khan, Shoaib Malik, Sohaib Maqsood, Sarfraz Ahmed (our captain!), and Nasir Jamshed.

Either they're all rubbish or you can call it a wash and realize this isn't much of a sample size at all.

I wouldn't put too much weight on 4/5 matches (one way or the other). Look at how he performs throughout the domestic season.
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he didint

and these 4-5 matches are only ones which are worth considering

the upcoming fc season will be actual test
 
Only real competition was in Pakistan Cup where he failed miserably.

Let's see what he can do in upcoming 4 day matches.
 
Slog said:
Salman Butt was poor.......His individual scores were:

League matches-
10 (13) vs Hasan Ali, Irfan and Gohar
9 (26) vs Tanvir, Junaid Khan, Gul
77 (114) vs Zia ul Haq, Rahat Ali, Zohaib Khan, Yasir
Final -
0 (2) vs Zia ul Haq

So as you can see his performance was poor all round and only match where he scored runs were against the weakest attack (at SR of 67)
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You are twisting facts here, IMHO.

For example, you mention his 0 from 2 balls against Zia-ul-Haq, and underplay that he also scored 77 and 95 against the same bowler in other matches this year.

Salman Butt's overall record in every 20 and 50 over match since his return in January 2016 is:

22 Matches
22 Innings
7 not out
1070 runs
1 x 100
9 x 50
AVERAGE 71.33

Starting backwards from yesterday, here is what he has done in every single innings that he has played, in reverse order:

NATIONAL T20 (August 2016)
81 v Sohail Khan + Mir Hamza
32* v Junaid Khan + Mohammad Irfan
84* v Rahat Ali + Zafar Gohar

AFGHAN T20 (August 2016)
31
20
44*
48*
1
7
51*

Pakistan Cup (May 2016)
0 v Zia-ul-Haq
39 (run out) v Mohammad Amir + Sohail Khan
10 v Hasan Ali + Mohammad Irfan + Mohammad Abbas
77 v Zia-ul-Haq + Rahat Ali + Yasir Shah
9 v Sohail Tanvir + Junaid Khan + Umar Gul

National One Day Cup (January 2016)
90 v Sadaf Hussain + Majid Ali
95 v Zia-ul-Haq + Mohammad Asghar
81* v Amad Butt
30 v Sohail Tanvir + Yasir Arafat
6 v Lahore Whites (no stars)
99* v Ghulam Mudassar
135 v FATA (no stars)

I really don't see what more he could have done.

By all means hate him for his criminal past. And I'm the first to say that I don't think he scores fast enough for modern 20 and 50 overs cricket.

But that's an awesome record in 2016. He should be the first batsman on the teamsheet in Tests.
 
Slog said:
he didint

and these 4-5 matches are only ones which are worth considering

the upcoming fc season will be actual test
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Maybe, yet you minimise the innings of 39 (run out) against Mohammad Amir and Sohail Khan in the penultimate match of the Pakistan Cup.

He played Mohammad Amir better than any other Pakistan batsman has since his return, and notably better than Misbah-ul-Haq and Mohammad Hafeez in particular.

Sure, he got out second ball to a peach of a delivery from Zia-ul-Haq in the Final. But he hit the same bowler for 77 a week earlier and for 95 in January.
 
Junaids bhai itna follow to Butt ko uske ghar waale be nae kerte jitna aap australia main beth ker kerte ho aik aik domestic match ka record lol :))
 
Weird thread....

He averages 189 in the current T20 tournament in which Umar Akmal averages 114 and he is supposed to be Pakistan's best T20 batsman.

He averages better than every batsman OP has included on his list in this tournament.
 
Junaids said:
You are twisting facts here, IMHO.

For example, you mention his 0 from 2 balls against Zia-ul-Haq, and underplay that he also scored 77 and 95 against the same bowler in other matches this year.

Salman Butt's overall record in every 20 and 50 over match since his return in January 2016 is:

22 Matches
22 Innings
7 not out
1070 runs
1 x 100
9 x 50
AVERAGE 71.33

Starting backwards from yesterday, here is what he has done in every single innings that he has played, in reverse order:

NATIONAL T20 (August 2016)
81 v Sohail Khan + Mir Hamza
32* v Junaid Khan + Mohammad Irfan
84* v Rahat Ali + Zafar Gohar

AFGHAN T20 (August 2016)
31
20
44*
48*
1
7
51*

Pakistan Cup (May 2016)
0 v Zia-ul-Haq
39 (run out) v Mohammad Amir + Sohail Khan
10 v Hasan Ali + Mohammad Irfan + Mohammad Abbas
77 v Zia-ul-Haq + Rahat Ali + Yasir Shah
9 v Sohail Tanvir + Junaid Khan + Umar Gul

National One Day Cup (January 2016)
90 v Sadaf Hussain + Majid Ali
95 v Zia-ul-Haq + Mohammad Asghar
81* v Amad Butt
30 v Sohail Tanvir + Yasir Arafat
6 v Lahore Whites (no stars)
99* v Ghulam Mudassar
135 v FATA (no stars)

I really don't see what more he could have done.

By all means hate him for his criminal past. And I'm the first to say that I don't think he scores fast enough for modern 20 and 50 overs cricket.

But that's an awesome record in 2016. He should be the first batsman on the teamsheet in Tests.
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Where have I underplayed his 77 lol. I did mention it. Can't do much if I have to actually state the fact that he did that at a strike rate of 70s.

Fact is butt has done well against attacks whose bulk of bowling is by poor bowlers
 
22 (36) today

Akmal Jr made 115 (48)
 
Here is Salman Butt's updated 2016 record, every innings in every game.

Salman Butt's overall record in every 20 and 50 over match since his return in January 2016 is:

22 Matches
26 Innings
7 not out
1086 runs
1 x 100
10 x 50
AVERAGE 57.16

Starting backwards from yesterday, here is what he has done in every single innings that he has played, in reverse order:

NATIONAL T20 (August 2016)
61 v Anwar Ali, Ghulam Mudassar
11 v Aamer Yamin (that famous spell)
12 v Rumman Rees, Bilawal Bhatti, Saeed Ajmal
22 v Aizaz Cheema, Yasir Arafat, Zulfiqar Babar
73 v Sohail Khan + Mir Hamza
32* v Junaid Khan + Mohammad Irfan
84* v Rahat Ali + Zafar Gohar

AFGHAN T20 (August 2016)
31
20
44*
48*
1
7
51*

Pakistan Cup (May 2016)
0 v Zia-ul-Haq
39 (run out) v Mohammad Amir + Sohail Khan
10 v Hasan Ali + Mohammad Irfan + Mohammad Abbas
77 v Zia-ul-Haq + Rahat Ali + Yasir Shah
9 v Sohail Tanvir + Junaid Khan + Umar Gul

National One Day Cup (January 2016)
90 v Sadaf Hussain + Majid Ali
95 v Zia-ul-Haq + Mohammad Asghar
81* v Amad Butt
30 v Sohail Tanvir + Yasir Arafat
6 v Lahore Whites (no stars)
99* v Ghulam Mudassar
135 v FATA (no stars)
 
Junaids said:
Here is Salman Butt's updated 2016 record, every innings in every game.

Salman Butt's overall record in every 20 and 50 over match since his return in January 2016 is:

22 Matches
26 Innings
7 not out
1086 runs
1 x 100
10 x 50
AVERAGE 57.16

Starting backwards from yesterday, here is what he has done in every single innings that he has played, in reverse order:

NATIONAL T20 (August 2016)
61 v Anwar Ali, Ghulam Mudassar
11 v Aamer Yamin (that famous spell)
12 v Rumman Rees, Bilawal Bhatti, Saeed Ajmal
22 v Aizaz Cheema, Yasir Arafat, Zulfiqar Babar
73 v Sohail Khan + Mir Hamza
32* v Junaid Khan + Mohammad Irfan
84* v Rahat Ali + Zafar Gohar

AFGHAN T20 (August 2016)
31
20
44*
48*
1
7
51*

Pakistan Cup (May 2016)
0 v Zia-ul-Haq
39 (run out) v Mohammad Amir + Sohail Khan
10 v Hasan Ali + Mohammad Irfan + Mohammad Abbas
77 v Zia-ul-Haq + Rahat Ali + Yasir Shah
9 v Sohail Tanvir + Junaid Khan + Umar Gul

National One Day Cup (January 2016)
90 v Sadaf Hussain + Majid Ali
95 v Zia-ul-Haq + Mohammad Asghar
81* v Amad Butt
30 v Sohail Tanvir + Yasir Arafat
6 v Lahore Whites (no stars)
99* v Ghulam Mudassar
135 v FATA (no stars)
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The strike rates in national t20 and Pakistan cup for the most part were atrocious.

Through his performances he seems out of touch with modern cricket when in one day domestics he is striking at 70 or so and in t20s barely at 100. Shehzad and even Shafiq strike at 90 in domestic one days and 110+ in domestic t20s

Let's see how he does in domestic FC
 
test can be an option but certainly not LOIs... But bringing him in would bring the age old rubbish back in...I think they should look forward with Sami and shelve this guy forever...Though there is some leeway for Amir for quite few reasons which I agree but for this guy being the leader of the ring, I would never ever give him a chance...
 
I don't think he would find a place in the playing 11 but the anti and pro butt brigade is entertaining. :yk
 
ask_analyse_act said:
test can be an option but certainly not LOIs... But bringing him in would bring the age old rubbish back in...I think they should look forward with Sami and shelve this guy forever...Though there is some leeway for Amir for quite few reasons which I agree but for this guy being the leader of the ring, I would never ever give him a chance...
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I am the first to say that he plays an outdated form of 20 and 50 over cricket and should not be considered for selection in those formats.

But he clearly still is one of the best two or three batsmen in the country, and I don't think you can afford not to have him as at worst your reserve Test opener.
 
Junaids said:
I am the first to say that he plays an outdated form of 20 and 50 over cricket and should not be considered for selection in those formats.

But he clearly still is one of the best two or three batsmen in the country, and I don't think you can afford not to have him as at worst your reserve Test opener.
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I would better give that chance to shehzad or UA even if i dont like their attitude... Pak should look forward to go with young prospects like Babar , Rizwan, Saud, Umar Amin, Imam ul haq etc... Going back to a tainted 30 year old player is not a right way to me tbh as he brings in lot of old dirty baggages, Moreover he is not allowed to get a visa to eng until CWC'19, that should pretty much it for him as pak also expected to comeback to eng in 2018...
 
ask_analyse_act said:
I would better give that chance to shehzad or UA even if i dont like their attitude... Pak should look forward to go with young prospects like Babar , Rizwan, Saud, Umar Amin, Imam ul haq etc... Going back to a tainted 30 year old player is not a right way to me tbh as he brings in lot of old dirty baggages, Moreover he is not allowed to get a visa to eng until CWC'19, that should pretty much it for him as pak also expected to comeback to eng in 2018...
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I think you're missing the point, with respect.

Umar Akmal, Babar Azam and Saud Shakeel are the three potential middle-order batsmen to replace Younis Khan and Misbah-ul-Haq when they retire 15 weeks from now.

But every Test team needs three opening batsman - two to play, and one to step in for injury or loss of form.

Pakistan's only Test quality openers are Azhar Ali and Sami Aslam, and Sami Aslam has only just started out.

The three options are Shan Masood (who clearly can never be a Test quality batsman), Ahmed Shehzad (who is a nervous wreck against pace since Corey Anderson fractured his skull, and has never scored a single Test run outside Asia anyway) and Salman Butt, who has made Test centuries against Mitchell Johnson at his peak, Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne.

It's an absolute no-brainer that with a tour of Australia coming up - where Salman Butt is Pakistan's Greatest Batsman of All Time - that it has to be him.

I see Jaahid Ali emerging, and I hope that he can knock either Azhar Ali or Salman Butt out of the squad. I share Mickey Arthur's published belief that a Test team should have a maximum of 2 batsman over 30, and none over 35, and I'd love to see Jaahid Ali push Salman Butt, Azhar Ali or Asad Shafiq out of the squad next year.

But you're about to play 3 Tests in Australia. And in Australia, Salman Butt should be the first batsman selected.
 
Though it was a Hyderabad Pitch but 90 against Majid, Sadaf & Yasir Ali cannot be ignored when Sadaf got 4 wickets in that match.


I am not his Supporter or Fan but He will definitely Push Youngsters for Opening Spot in Pakistan Odi & Test Team. Though I agree He will be a slight Upgrade of Ahmed Shehzad in Odi team because He is playing Old School Limited Overs Cricket of 2010.
 
Junaids said:
I think you're missing the point, with respect.

Umar Akmal, Babar Azam and Saud Shakeel are the three potential middle-order batsmen to replace Younis Khan and Misbah-ul-Haq when they retire 15 weeks from now.

But every Test team needs three opening batsman - two to play, and one to step in for injury or loss of form.

Pakistan's only Test quality openers are Azhar Ali and Sami Aslam, and Sami Aslam has only just started out.

The three options are Shan Masood (who clearly can never be a Test quality batsman), Ahmed Shehzad (who is a nervous wreck against pace since Corey Anderson fractured his skull, and has never scored a single Test run outside Asia anyway) and Salman Butt, who has made Test centuries against Mitchell Johnson at his peak, Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne.

It's an absolute no-brainer that with a tour of Australia coming up - where Salman Butt is Pakistan's Greatest Batsman of All Time - that it has to be him.

I see Jaahid Ali emerging, and I hope that he can knock either Azhar Ali or Salman Butt out of the squad. I share Mickey Arthur's published belief that a Test team should have a maximum of 2 batsman over 30, and none over 35, and I'd love to see Jaahid Ali push Salman Butt, Azhar Ali or Asad Shafiq out of the squad next year.

But you're about to play 3 Tests in Australia. And in Australia, Salman Butt should be the first batsman selected.
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Ya i missed jaahid ali, Salman will be the last resort if pak drops to no.9 in tests and lose the status of playing tests other than that. As u say and I'm sure with MICKEY salman's future is very weak.. He has to be very lucky to keep performing and scoring runs continuously for the next 2 years across all formats and pakistan keep losing every game for the next 2 years and his inclusion will be a forceful change...
 
Salman needs to continue scoring runs across formats to put pressure on the selectors. Personally I want him back for Pakistan.
 
I don't know why but he is batting very slow and it's not as if he can not bat a bit faster. He is talented enough to hit these mediocre domestic bowlers for a couple of boundaries.

It's like he is working on getting that average up and to stay in the headlines. Seems to be a plan there.
 
Junaids said:
You are twisting facts here, IMHO.

For example, you mention his 0 from 2 balls against Zia-ul-Haq, and underplay that he also scored 77 and 95 against the same bowler in other matches this year.

Salman Butt's overall record in every 20 and 50 over match since his return in January 2016 is:

22 Matches
22 Innings
7 not out
1070 runs
1 x 100
9 x 50
AVERAGE 71.33

Starting backwards from yesterday, here is what he has done in every single innings that he has played, in reverse order:

NATIONAL T20 (August 2016)
81 v Sohail Khan + Mir Hamza
32* v Junaid Khan + Mohammad Irfan
84* v Rahat Ali + Zafar Gohar

AFGHAN T20 (August 2016)
31
20
44*
48*
1
7
51*

Pakistan Cup (May 2016)
0 v Zia-ul-Haq
39 (run out) v Mohammad Amir + Sohail Khan
10 v Hasan Ali + Mohammad Irfan + Mohammad Abbas
77 v Zia-ul-Haq + Rahat Ali + Yasir Shah
9 v Sohail Tanvir + Junaid Khan + Umar Gul

National One Day Cup (January 2016)
90 v Sadaf Hussain + Majid Ali
95 v Zia-ul-Haq + Mohammad Asghar
81* v Amad Butt
30 v Sohail Tanvir + Yasir Arafat
6 v Lahore Whites (no stars)
99* v Ghulam Mudassar
135 v FATA (no stars)

I really don't see what more he could have done.

By all means hate him for his criminal past. And I'm the first to say that I don't think he scores fast enough for modern 20 and 50 overs cricket.

But that's an awesome record in 2016. He should be the first batsman on the teamsheet in Tests.
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Very good performance indeed.This thread is invalid.
 
I'm not a big fan of Sulman Butt, in fact I hate him for what he did as captain, match fixing. But, this is a universal law that once a person had completed his punishment, he has all the right to apply for the job he is qualified for and should be treated on merit.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
There is no pro butt brigade.

Just a warrior.

Lone warrior.

Obsessed with butt. :D
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I'm sure you mean me! :)

I will always be disgusted by what he did in 2010. But he has served his punishment, and he has proved with the bat that he should at least be back in the Test squad.
 
Junaids said:
I'm sure you mean me! :)

I will always be disgusted by what he did in 2010. But he has served his punishment, and he has proved with the bat that he should at least be back in the Test squad.
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How many teams would you say he could walk in as test opener aside from Pak?
 
Suleiman said:
How many teams would you say he could walk in as test opener aside from Pak?
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Sure, but we are talking about a team that usually selects Mohammad Hafeez.

Even Martin Guptill or Alex Hales are better than that.
 
Junaids said:
I'm sure you mean me! :)

I will always be disgusted by what he did in 2010. But he has served his punishment, and he has proved with the bat that he should at least be back in the Test squad.
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Salman Butt should be in the next test XI, opening. Can't believe Iftikhar Ahmed played in the last test !
 
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If he can be considered to be selected. Then why not kamran akmal. His record in last two years has been excellent. And with azhar ali as one permanent opener we need akmal type of batsman.

Maybe umer amin can do the job. He looks quite mature and has all the shorts.
 
Sami92 said:
Salman Butt should be in the next test XI, opening. Can't believe Iftikhar Ahmed played in the last test !
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No he shouldn't.Azhar Ali and Sami Aslam should be our new test openers.Babar should play at #6 with Asad Shafiq at 3.
 
Arham_PakFan said:
No he shouldn't.Azhar Ali and Sami Aslam should be our new test openers.Babar should play at #6 with Asad Shafiq at 3.
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Azhar Ali has been doing decently at 3 for many years now. Why do you want to change that which is working ?
 
Sami92 said:
Azhar Ali has been doing decently at 3 for many years now. Why do you want to change that which is working ?
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In the last match vs England Mickey tried a combo of Sami and Azhar at the top and Asad at 3.It worked well.And I would rather blood Babar at 6.
 
Junaids said:
Here is Salman Butt's updated 2016 record, every innings in every game.

Salman Butt's overall record in every 20 and 50 over match since his return in January 2016 is:

22 Matches
26 Innings
7 not out
1086 runs
1 x 100
10 x 50
AVERAGE 57.16

Starting backwards from yesterday, here is what he has done in every single innings that he has played, in reverse order:

NATIONAL T20 (August 2016)
61 v Anwar Ali, Ghulam Mudassar
11 v Aamer Yamin (that famous spell)
12 v Rumman Rees, Bilawal Bhatti, Saeed Ajmal
22 v Aizaz Cheema, Yasir Arafat, Zulfiqar Babar
73 v Sohail Khan + Mir Hamza
32* v Junaid Khan + Mohammad Irfan
84* v Rahat Ali + Zafar Gohar

AFGHAN T20 (August 2016)
31
20
44*
48*
1
7
51*

Pakistan Cup (May 2016)
0 v Zia-ul-Haq
39 (run out) v Mohammad Amir + Sohail Khan
10 v Hasan Ali + Mohammad Irfan + Mohammad Abbas
77 v Zia-ul-Haq + Rahat Ali + Yasir Shah
9 v Sohail Tanvir + Junaid Khan + Umar Gul

National One Day Cup (January 2016)
90 v Sadaf Hussain + Majid Ali
95 v Zia-ul-Haq + Mohammad Asghar
81* v Amad Butt
30 v Sohail Tanvir + Yasir Arafat
6 v Lahore Whites (no stars)
99* v Ghulam Mudassar
135 v FATA (no stars)
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One more 50 for you to add to this list

And again please conveniently forget to mention the number of deliveries it took
 
Slog said:
One more 50 for you to add to this list

And again please conveniently forget to mention the number of deliveries it took
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Sallu Butt after his innings "I have been consistent through out the tournament after my return, you can see my average" :)))
 
Junaids said:
I am the first to say that he plays an outdated form of 20 and 50 over cricket and should not be considered for selection in those formats.

But he clearly still is one of the best two or three batsmen in the country, and I don't think you can afford not to have him as at worst your reserve Test opener.
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[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]
Why do you accuse me of ignoring his scoring rate? I wrote this the other day.

But still you won't acknowledge that he didn't get out while two Akmals plus their cousin got out cheaply which is why he had to hold the innings together.

At present, the question is whether for the Tests in Australia the sixth batsman should be Iftikhar Ahmed, Babar Azam or Salman Butt.

I'd be picking the bloke who in the year 2016 has 1161 runs at an average of 60.05, plus is Pakistan's GOAT batsman in Tests in Australia.

I don't suggest picking him in 20 or 50 overs cricket. But I think that his continued omission from the Test squad is only justifiable if he fails in First Class cricket. But if he succeeds in First Class cricket next month, then failing to pick him starts to cross into the territory of wilful dereliction of duty.
 
Junaids said:
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]
Why do you accuse me of ignoring his scoring rate? I wrote this the other day.

But still you won't acknowledge that he didn't get out while two Akmals plus their cousin got out cheaply which is why he had to hold the innings together.

At present, the question is whether for the Tests in Australia the sixth batsman should be Iftikhar Ahmed, Babar Azam or Salman Butt.

I'd be picking the bloke who in the year 2016 has 1161 runs at an average of 60.05, plus is Pakistan's GOAT batsman in Tests in Australia.

I don't suggest picking him in 20 or 50 overs cricket. But I think that his continued omission from the Test squad is only justifiable if he fails in First Class cricket. But if he succeeds in First Class cricket next month, then failing to pick him starts to cross into the territory of wilful dereliction of duty.
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His selection for the Test squad can only be even debated if he scores crazy in the FC season starting next month

Don't base his test credentials on match losing t20 innings
 
Salman Butt was pretty poor in Test Matches.

In OD he was okay , not a world beater , but capable of scoring hundreds.
 
Performing in domestic matches should never be a criteria for mediocre rubbish to make a comeback, let alone crooks making comeback through it.
 
What is the point of all of this? What a bunch of corrupt people you must be to think that Salman Butt should ever play for Pakistan again.
 
Let's not pretend, he has an awesome record since his return in domestic.

Still doesn't mean we should have him back. We have better options that can score at better strike rates in LOI. As for test cricket, we already have two openers in Azhar and Sami Aslam. See no need to bring back a guy who was a failure as an opener at international level.
 
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] congratulations, he may get a chance against WI according to some reports :)))

Seems selectors took your thread very seriously.
 
I see the source for that rumor now

He has been hit and miss recently

If the folks at Dawn start peddling this then ill start to get worried, they tend to be most reliable ever since Younis and Afridi stopped blabbing to their 'friend' at geo
 
The day Salman Butt gets selected in Pakistan National squad i will quit watching pakistani cricket ..
I cannot forgive this guy as simple as that, this guy humiliated us being the captain. Just think apart from lords match fixing how many fixing he might have done privately.
I will also loose respect for Inzi if this rubbish gets selected.
 
I'll be frank, Salman could have developed into a decent batsman in the past and as of late is in fairly decent form. However, irrespective of how many runs he scores at the FC level I don't want him to play for Pakistan ever again. He was instrumental in killing the career of Asif and almost succeeded doing just that when it came to Amir to, those two are equally responsible for their actions but Salman was the Architect.
 
Deception said:
The day Salman Butt gets selected in Pakistan National squad i will quit watching pakistani cricket ..
I cannot forgive this guy as simple as that, this guy humiliated us being the captain. Just think apart from lords match fixing how many fixing he might have done privately.
I will also loose respect for Inzi if this rubbish gets selected.
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How does that work?

The prosecution case against Butt both in the ICC case and the criminal one was that he was able to be tempted by a newspaper into the "victimless crime" of the newspaper buying no balls because he was jealous that teammates were being paid handsomely to lose while he was poorer because he was clean.

The whole point was that it was the fact that he wasn't selling matches - unlike many of the others - which led him into this.

So this inference of other fixing is both ludicrous and libellous.
 
So Salman Butt's terrible form continues

Golden duck against Peshawar
 
Junaids said:
How does that work?

The prosecution case against Butt both in the ICC case and the criminal one was that he was able to be tempted by a newspaper into the "victimless crime" of the newspaper buying no balls because he was jealous that teammates were being paid handsomely to lose while he was poorer because he was clean.

The whole point was that it was the fact that he wasn't selling matches - unlike many of the others - which led him into this.

So this inference of other fixing is both ludicrous and libellous.
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Where do you manufacture this story?

So Salman butt who was caught for fixing wasn't actually doing that lol
 
Slog said:
Where do you manufacture this story?

So Salman butt who was caught for fixing wasn't actually doing that lol
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It was the prosecution argument in court!

It doesn't excuse his crime. But it makes clear that others got away with worse ones.
 
Junaids said:
It was the prosecution argument in court!

It doesn't excuse his crime. But it makes clear that others got away with worse ones.
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The prosecution put this argument? Any link for proof?
 
Slog said:
Where do you manufacture this story?

So Salman butt who was caught for fixing wasn't actually doing that lol
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Slog said:
The prosecution put this argument? Any link for proof?
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The ICC Tribunal report are not allowed to be circulated, unfortunately.

I'm on a train, but I'll look for the court reports for you.
 
shaz619 said:
I'll be frank, Salman could have developed into a decent batsman in the past and as of late is in fairly decent form. However, irrespective of how many runs he scores at the FC level I don't want him to play for Pakistan ever again. He was instrumental in killing the career of Asif and almost succeeded doing just that when it came to Amir to, those two are equally responsible for their actions but Salman was the Architect.
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I often get this at school when a mother will blame the other children for the poor behaviour of their innocent lamb.
 
Slog said:
Where do you manufacture this story?

So Salman butt who was caught for fixing wasn't actually doing that lol
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Slog said:
The prosecution put this argument? Any link for proof?
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Slog said:
Thank you

Will read through it or any other if you share and then reply
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I am very cautious about uploading any of the ICC determination, but I would be happy to privately share passages of it with you. One is now absolute dynamite: in paragraph 233 the ICC accepts that Asif was not paid to fix and that the only evidence against him is the video - which of course is now discredited. It also states that he did not admit guilt.

I know he did it, but the evidence against him is now non-existent.

Bear in mind too that another Pakistan fast bowler bowled a huge Amir style no ball too at over 11.2 which the ICC reports that Asif's barrister raised suspicions about. This is footnote 26 on page 34.

Overall, the criminal and ICC guilty verdicts are "correct" but probably now legally unsound and indefensible.

And the extra no-ball quoted raises the possibility that the Fake Sheikh doctored the evidence - like he has now been jailed for doing - to incriminate only the star bowlers.
 
There was no cricketing performance to even recall him anyway.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yup.

Pakistan had better options than him (Sharjeel, Fakhar, Imam etc.).
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In tests shan masood,abid ali,imaam,imran butt,omair bin yousuf are all better in tests

In odis imaam fakhar sharjeel abid ali haider ali all better in tests
 
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