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At 17 years old these are the stats of Sam Curran, left arm fast bowler playing in England for Surrey and I believe has lived in Zimbabwe before moving back to England recently

List A - 5 matches, 22 average, 10 wickets with best figures of 4/32

First Class - 1 match, 8 wickets, 15 average best figures of 5/101

Now I know what you're thinking, jeez Donal he's played barely any games calm down, but this guy having just turned 17 years old is clocking 85 mph earlier today as he took 3/49 on a flat deck live on sky vs Worcs. 85 mph at 17, hugely impressive. One of the sky commies even said his action reminded him of Wasim Akram.

Honestly, I think this guy has what it takes to play at the top level for England in future assuming he continues developing, I mean if he's this fast already he could definitely be express pace by the time hes an adult. Definitely one to watch out for in future.

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Hopefully the highlights of tonights game will be up soon so someone can post the video, because this guy is a very impressive bowler
 
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England should take this guy as soon as possible as pakistan did with aamir (obviously not now but they should keep him under close watch).
 
Serious talent. It's no joke clocking 85mph at 17 years of age. Plus he was also getting the ball to swing back in to the right handed. Definitely one to look out for.
 
Impressive first ball! Swung it back into the right hander! Action is decent. Looking forward to his domestic career!
 
Good prospect, very raw but has the tools. Hopefully he isn't ruined by playing a thousand games per season in county.
 
Fast bowlers should be picked when they are young and quick. Pick him when he is 19.
 
he is the son Kevin Curran of Zimbabwe,although he is born in England but basically they are from Zim and he has even played for Zim U-15
 
Technically no import but are the children of immigrants the only people playing cricket in England?
 
Donal Cozzie said:
At 17 years old these are the stats of Sam Curran, left arm fast bowler playing in England for Surrey and I believe has lived in Zimbabwe before moving back to England recently

List A - 5 matches, 22 average, 10 wickets with best figures of 4/32

First Class - 1 match, 8 wickets, 15 average best figures of 5/101

Now I know what you're thinking, jeez Donal he's played barely any games calm down, but this guy having just turned 17 years old is clocking 85 mph earlier today as he took 3/49 on a flat deck live on sky vs Worcs. 85 mph at 17, hugely impressive. One of the sky commies even said his action reminded him of Wasim Akram.

Honestly, I think this guy has what it takes to play at the top level for England in future assuming he continues developing, I mean if he's this fast already he could definitely be express pace by the time hes an adult. Definitely one to watch out for in future.

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Hopefully the highlights of tonights game will be up soon so someone can post the video, because this guy is a very impressive bowler
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English guns are 2-3 mph faster compared to BD guns. He looked to be 80 mph and no faster than that. Odd action too...nothing like Wasim's. Zaheer Khan had a Wasim type action. His stats are good, but he doesn't look like anything amazing yet. Long way to go to get to England's senior side. England doesn't have a shortage of quicks.
 
Brett Lee and Shaun Tait could already bowl 90mph at the same age.

Not sure about Akhtar but I'd imagine he'd have been the same
 
Shutdown Corner said:
English guns are 2-3 mph faster compared to BD guns. He looked to be 80 mph and no faster than that. Odd action too...nothing like Wasim's. Zaheer Khan had a Wasim type action. His stats are good, but he doesn't look like anything amazing yet. Long way to go to get to England's senior side. England doesn't have a shortage of quicks.
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I think it's like Wasim in the way he doesn't jump - just runs straight through his action and his arm comes over very quickly. Also in the way he runs to the slips when he takes a wicket!
 
England should bring him in the team right now or he will disappear like Matt Fisher
 
good player, will get better with age, his brother seems to be a good bowler too also plays for surrey.
 
Firebreaker said:
England should bring him in the team right now or he will disappear like Matt Fisher
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They won't pick a 17-year-old. He won't even get regular County games just yet. They will wait for his body to fill out so he is more proof against injuries. Even Ian Botham did not get picked by England until age 21.
 
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Genuine pace bowlers are able to hit 90 miles + at a young age. With age, they get the ability to keep bowling at that pace for a longer duration of time.

Looks a good bowler despite of that from the short video.
 
Bowling on sky at the moment, very impressive as usual and still only 18. Surely an international career ahead for him.
 
He’s definitely better than his brother. Will do decently in English conditions but needs to improve his batting further if he wants to become a mainstay in the side for Tests abroad.
 
Thought he was a makhan medium pacer, but kid showed real skills today. Nipping out India's top 3 in a single spell is something to be proud of
 
Thought he was a weak spot in this England team and I even said that on another thread but boy he has proved me wrong!
 
Loves bowling the yorker and attacking the stumps. Also very classy with the bat.
 
another south african import? its dissapointing that England has a massive pool of asian cricketers that they can encourage yet they keep going for curran types.

Yes he looked good today. Caught India on the hop a bit but I dont think he can sustain this in the long term. And I also dont think he can do much in asia. I could be wrong...
 
Will pick 300+ wickets for england and score few thousand runs as well.
 
Kids only 20, a season with the national team and he'll surely be bowling faster by next year.
 
Sam Curran is like having another Ben Stokes, says Joe Root

Joe Root says that having Sam Curran in the side is like having two Ben Stokes’ in the England team.

The 20-year-old all-rounder was named man of the match after taking five wickets and hitting a vital half-century in just his second Test as England beat India by 31 runs in an instant classic at Edgbaston.

Stokes himself inspired England on the fourth morning, taking three wickets, including the key scalp of Virat Kohli, and Root sees similarities between his former vice-captain and Curran.

"Brilliant, brilliant game. [He showed] a huge amount of skill and he didn't seem to feel any sort of pressure with the bat," Root said.

"He seems to just love the occasion, he loves playing Test cricket and he's great to have within the side. It's like having two Ben Stokes', which is a great thing.

"But obviously, just two Tests in, it's very easy to get carried away but he's a very exciting, promising cricketer."

Meanwhile, despite the prospect of a nail-biting finish, Root said he remained calm and praised the patience of his bowlers as they went in search of the final Indian wickets.

"I felt quite calm, I might not have appeared to be, that's something to work on!" he added.

"That sort of atmosphere is what it's about, that's what makes Test cricket so brilliant. It can throw so many different things at you in the course of three or four days and you have to really think your way around it, stay strong as a group, keeping believing in one another and special things can happen - just like today.

"I knew there was still a lot of hard work to do [after the Kohli wicket]. The temptation then is to chase the game and I think we were quite good at staying calm, trusting the things that had worked for us previously and making sure we didn't get ahead of ourselves.

"I'm really proud of the group. There was some great cricket within the three and a bit days - from both sides - and I'm sure it made for a fantastic watch."

http://www.skysports.com/cricket/ne...-like-having-another-ben-stokes-says-joe-root
 
He is a fiesty little player. I would like him in the ODI and T20 squads.
 
His bowling style is traditional and aesthetic coupled with ability to move the new ball and then toe crushing yorkers in the middle (the one to Pandaya was just beautiful). Not to mention the fact that he just hit his debut 50 which saved England in the second innings. Total fighter. I will be keeping any eye on this lad. Top top prospect. He alone is better than the whole Indian test fast bowling lineup.
 
Not a bad bowler by any means. He needs to bowl at 85-87mph regularly and he could be someone England can look at to lead the attack once the great Anderson hangs up his boots
 
I don't get the hype really.

I guess it's because the standard of pace bowling has deteriorated in recent times.

He's s decent medium fast bowler but in previous eras I don't think he would have been rated that highly.
 
Saj said:
I don't get the hype really.


I guess it's because the standard of pace bowling has deteriorated in recent times.

He's s decent medium fast bowler but in previous eras I don't think he would have been rated that highly.
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He has talent no denying it but more than that it was his mental toughness. He delivered with both bat and ball but yes I agree with your point to an extent... all bowlers were getting prodigious swing, so it was not really extra ordinary
 
the Great Khan said:
another south african import? its dissapointing that England has a massive pool of asian cricketers that they can encourage yet they keep going for curran types.
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No [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION]. His dad played for Zimbabwe but Sam was born in Northampton.

He is the left-armer we have needed for some time, at least in places where it swings so he should do well in SL this winter.

If he gets another yard of pace o,n he will do well everywhere.
 
Could go on to be a good bowling all-rounder for England. Although I his bowling really caught my attention the way he was getting it to swing back into the right handlers, was very good. If he was a couple inches taller and bowled a few Km’s faster he would be deadly.
 
the Great Khan said:
another south african import? its dissapointing that England has a massive pool of asian cricketers that they can encourage yet they keep going for curran types.
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Not everything is racism. The kid was born in England, moved to zimbabwe as a kid, came back as a young teen (In the Surrey system from under 15s onwards).

There are plenty of asian cricketers given attention as well despite some of them not working out(some too many, Bopara, Ali in Tests, Rashid).
 
Saj said:
I don't get the hype really.

I guess it's because the standard of pace bowling has deteriorated in recent times.

He's s decent medium fast bowler but in previous eras I don't think he would have been rated that highly.
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I agree with this. He still has much to improve before he gets there, but he's one to watch. But let's be honest, Amir was being touted the next Akram while bowling at an average above 30, had one good series, and is still over 31 in average. It doesn't take much to get the hyperbole and Akram comparisons rolling with any left arm quick with a good game on these threads.
 
Pros: Excellent control, particulraly for his age. Genuine swing bowler. Terrific batter as well.
Cons: His height will limit him in conditions where the ball doesn't swing. Needs to add a yard of pace for that.

Overall he's better than I thought. But right now he's a 125-130 k swing bowler, and its hard to be successful at that pace unless you have immaculate control.
 
Honestly yes he did wonderful in this match and should be praised for that however I see 2 weakness in his game, his height and pace is limitation it would be interesting to see him in non swinging conditions plus, 2 although he scored run but his feet are stuck at crease when he was playing pacers his feet were not moving, he likes to play from crease, though he play straight bat shot but that is a big weakness if exploited, India missed 2 guys Bumrah and Kuldeep,both could have run through tail, even ashwin didn't bowl to him early on.
 
Slim said:
His bowling style is traditional and aesthetic coupled with ability to move the new ball and then toe crushing yorkers in the middle (the one to Pandaya was just beautiful). Not to mention the fact that he just hit his debut 50 which saved England in the second innings. Total fighter. I will be keeping any eye on this lad. Top top prospect. He alone is better than the whole Indian test fast bowling lineup.
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Did you watch the match, bowlers were not at fault it was batters who did Jack barring Kohli he got wickets in 1st innings so did Indian bowlers.
 
England's batting at the WC would be,

J Roy
J Bairstow
J Root
E Morgan *
J Buttler +
B Stokes
M Ali
C Woakes
D Willey
S Curran
A Rashid


David Willey, opener for his county, comes at #9, Sam Curran at #10 and, Rashid with 10 FC centuries comes in at #11.😢😢😢😢


Opposition is never in the game until they take the 10th wicket 😢
 
Too early to make a firm judgment but he had a great match.
 
Bubby said:
Did you watch the match, bowlers were not at fault it was batters who did Jack barring Kohli he got wickets in 1st innings so did Indian bowlers.
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You are just discounting his performance and being a sore loser about it.
 
Kohli said:
England's batting at the WC would be,

J Roy
J Bairstow
J Root
E Morgan *
J Buttler +
B Stokes
M Ali
C Woakes
D Willey
S Curran
A Rashid


David Willey, opener for his county, comes at #9, Sam Curran at #10 and, Rashid with 10 FC centuries comes in at #11.😢😢😢😢


Opposition is never in the game until they take the 10th wicket 😢
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The down side of having batting that deep is their bowling is powderpuff on flat wickets.
 
Kohli said:
England's batting at the WC would be,

J Roy
J Bairstow
J Root
E Morgan *
J Buttler +
B Stokes
M Ali
C Woakes
D Willey
S Curran
A Rashid


David Willey, opener for his county, comes at #9, Sam Curran at #10 and, Rashid with 10 FC centuries comes in at #11.��������


Opposition is never in the game until they take the 10th wicket ��
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plunkett won't be dropped.
 
Saj said:
I don't get the hype really.

I guess it's because the standard of pace bowling has deteriorated in recent times.

He's s decent medium fast bowler but in previous eras I don't think he would have been rated that highly.
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Pace bowling quality nowadays is pretty decent. Anderson, Broad, Boult, Southee, Hazelwood, Stark, Cummins, Rabada, Ngidi are all quite decent.
 
Savage said:
plunkett won't be dropped.
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You don't know about the approach of England in ODIs. They're ready to take a bowler who can bat over a bowler. Again, it's not like Plunkett is some Starc, Amir or Bumrah.

Ali and Rashid are sure starters (atleast against Non Asians)
Woakes and Willey won't be dropped as they're new ball bowlers who can swing.

That leaves Plunkett vs Curran and, I think Plunkett would make way for Curran.
 
Savage said:
plunkett won't be dropped.
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Kohli said:
You don't know about the approach of England in ODIs. They're ready to take a bowler who can bat over a bowler. Again, it's not like Plunkett is some Starc, Amir or Bumrah.

Ali and Rashid are sure starters (atleast against Non Asians)
Woakes and Willey won't be dropped as they're new ball bowlers who can swing.

That leaves Plunkett vs Curran and, I think Plunkett would make way for Curran.
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And moreover they also have Stokes to support Curran if needed.
 
Kohli said:
You don't know about the approach of England in ODIs. They're ready to take a bowler who can bat over a bowler. Again, it's not like Plunkett is some Starc, Amir or Bumrah.

Ali and Rashid are sure starters (atleast against Non Asians)
Woakes and Willey won't be dropped as they're new ball bowlers who can swing.

That leaves Plunkett vs Curran and, I think Plunkett would make way for Curran.
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Plunkett won't be making way for Curran. Willey's the only one they would potentially drop for him but I doubt they will.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congrats <a href="https://twitter.com/CurranSM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CurranSM</a> on your first Man of the Match for England. This is just the start son. Very proud of you. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SurreyLad?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SurreyLad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENDvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENDvIND</a></p>— Azhar Mahmood (@AzharMahmood11) <a href="https://twitter.com/AzharMahmood11/status/1025838365369946113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Slim said:
You are just discounting his performance and being a sore loser about it.
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I am not discounting anything, I said to say he was better than whole Indian bowling lineup is hyperbole, he had a novelty factor as not many players had faced him.
 
Easily has shown enough, even by the 1st Test, that he will be a better all-rounder for England than Stokes going forward.
 
He has been fantastic in this series. England should persist with him for long now.
 
Josh said:
Lol mark my words .. Sam Curran will be a nobody bowler outside England.
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You clearly havent seen him bowl and are just seeing the scorecard. The kid can swing both ways and is a left hander bowling at 83-85 mph. He can bat against pace and spin and hardly has a weakness. If he doesnt suceed then no-one will..
 
The thing is England need bowlers who can do well overseas for them. I see Curran and Woakes have to prove their worth by performing outside of England.
 
Tbh yes he has batted well and credit goes to him, but I genuinely feel we haven't bowled full enough to him, the guy likes to hang back on back foot quite a bit, if you notice when bowl fuller his feet tends to stuck on crease, I can see likes of philander, Rabada and Starc all over him, even our own lot if they bowl fuller can get him out.
 
gazza619 said:
You clearly havent seen him bowl and are just seeing the scorecard. The kid can swing both ways and is a left hander bowling at 83-85 mph. He can bat against pace and spin and hardly has a weakness. If he doesnt suceed then no-one will..
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Bhai he has a weakness it's just that it hasn't been exploited yet his feet get stuck on crease, I would also like to see his game against short pitch stuff
 
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