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Sarfaraz Ahmed - Captaincy Watch

Can't blame him. He is either exposing TTFs: Shehzad and Tanvir intentionally, or he is being forced to play them.
 
Don't know why he held back Riaz.

The guy was reversing it and was the best chance at getting back into the game.

Huge blunder.
 
Barragan said:
Don't know why he held back Riaz.

The guy was reversing it and was the best chance at getting back into the game.

Huge blunder.
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Because Lewis finished the game in the over after Wahab's. So Sarfraz threw in the towel.
 
Rayyman said:
Because Lewis finished the game in the over after Wahab's. So Sarfraz threw in the towel.
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Just looking back at the scorecard and in fact, he didn't make a mistake with Riaz.

Wrong on my part.
 
Ellipsism said:
Don't be salty that Hasan has been outperforming Amir.

Hasan is a special bowler, some people will fail to understand.
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How is he outperforming when his economy is always the highest,even the likes of Tanvir and Wahab bowl better and have better economy rates.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
How is he outperforming when his economy is always the highest,even the likes of Tanvir and Wahab bowl better and have better economy rates.
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Amir's economy since his return is 5.15

Hasan's economy rate is 5.93.

You still have to take into account Amir bowls the majority of his overs in the first ten whlist Hasan bowls in the middle-later part of the innings.

Can't back your argument with averages or strike rates now we're turning to economy rates.
 
Ellipsism said:
Amir's economy since his return is 5.15

Hasan's economy rate is 5.93.

You still have to take into account Amir bowls the majority of his overs in the first ten whlist Hasan bowls in the middle-later part of the innings.

Can't back your argument with averages or strike rates now we're turning to economy rates.
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Wow,you sure know how to change tracks. We were talking about T20I and you went to ODIs.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Wow,you sure know how to change tracks. We were talking about T20I and you went to ODIs.
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Lol, anyone Tom, Dick or Harry could perform in T20 cricket- its meaningless.If you want to go look at T20 stats go ahead my fiend.
 
Ellipsism said:
Amir's economy since his return is 5.15

Hasan's economy rate is 5.93.

You still have to take into account Amir bowls the majority of his overs in the first ten whlist Hasan bowls in the middle-later part of the innings.

Can't back your argument with averages or strike rates now we're turning to economy rates.
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If you don't know,first 10 overs are the overs in which opposition batsman take charge on bowlers bcoz of 2 fielders outside so in reality it's Hasan who has been saving his economy by bowling in the overs where many fielders are outside and still it is too much,as far as later part is considered Amir bowls in the death.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
If you don't know,first 10 overs are the overs in which opposition batsman take charge on bowlers bcoz of 2 fielders outside so in reality it's Hasan who has been saving his economy by bowling in the overs where many fielders are outside and still it is too much,as far as later part is considered Amir bowls in the death.
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And Amir is trash at the death.

Amir can save his stats all you want you still couldn't shun the fact that Hasan has outclassed Amir and will do so in the test arena as well when he gets picked for the upcoming series.
 
Ellipsism said:
Amir's economy since his return is 5.15

Hasan's economy rate is 5.93.

You still have to take into account Amir bowls the majority of his overs in the first ten whlist Hasan bowls in the middle-later part of the innings.

Can't back your argument with averages or strike rates now we're turning to economy rates.
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I can back my argument,go and look at the averages of both in their ODI and T20I careers,Amir still beats him.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
I can back my argument,go and look at the averages of both in their ODI and T20I careers,Amir still beats him.
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Oh poor fella you need to go back six years to defend your argument- look at Amir's post ban stats
 
Ellipsism said:
Oh poor fella you need to go back six years to defend your argument- look at Amir's post ban stats
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Why put a certain criteria,he was Amir 6 years ago he is Amir now both stats include,if you want to do like this go Check last match of Hasan vs Aus.
 
^^^ Hassan Ali is not half the bowler Amir is. I dont go into stats but believe in what I see.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Why put a certain criteria,he was Amir 6 years ago he is Amir now both stats include,if you want to do like this go Check last match of Hasan vs Aus.
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The only similarity between Amir post ban and pre ban is the name- Amir is a completely different bowler; A bowler who is now being outdone by older and younger counterparts. He was outdone by Hasan and Sohail with the new ball in the PSL, Sohail has done better in every test match they've played together and I'm confident Hasan if given the new ball in Test Cricket can outdo Amir in the test format.

The only thing Amir is capable of these days is beating the bat.
 
Ellipsism said:
The only similarity between Amir post ban and pre ban is the name- Amir is a completely different bowler; A bowler who is now being outdone by older and younger counterparts. He was outdone by Hasan and Sohail with the new ball in the PSL, Sohail has done better in every test match they've played together and I'm confident Hasan if given the new ball in Test Cricket can outdo Amir in the test format.

The only thing Amir is capable of these days is beating the bat.
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He is the same or only marginally less what he was before,only difference is that fielders are dropping catches on his bowling which they were holding before his ban,otherwise his stats would have been similar or might have been even better and what is Hasan good at,getting spanked by low level West Indies batsman.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
He is the same or only marginally less what he was before,only difference is that fielders are dropping catches on his bowling which they were holding before his ban,otherwise his stats would have been similar or might have been even better and what is Hasan good at,getting spanked by low level West Indies batsman.
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Yet I remember Amir getting spanked in the PSL.

I couldn't care less about T20 performances.
 
Ellipsism said:
Yet I remember Amir getting spanked in the PSL.

I couldn't care less about T20 performances.
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Hasan is Pakistans best bowler right now. Should always open and come back to bowl at the death
 
Ellipsism said:
Yet you fail to remember him outdoing Amir with the new ball.
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How many matches?
Amir too out bowled him in some matches and if you look from one PSL,then M Sami who completely out did Hasan in every match should be selected as the new bowl bowler,why Hasan?
 
So now Hasan Ali is a better bowler than Amir not because any stat or metric says it but because some PP experts who probably haven't played a proper match in their lives think so.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
His only consistency has been having 8-9 economy rates in T20I and near 6 in ODIs,looks like the second coming of Wahab Riaz.
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6 is pretty respectable in odis. Remind me, how many 5 wicket hauls did aamir manage in the odis in Australia
 
Syed1 said:
So now Hasan Ali is a better bowler than Amir not because any stat or metric says it but because some PP experts who probably haven't played a proper match in their lives think so.
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Nope.
1 - Most ppl saying Hasan is outperforming Amir at the moment.
2 - aamir comeback now long enough to judge that it's not the same bowler
 
todfod 11 said:
^^^ Hassan Ali is not half the bowler Amir is. I dont go into stats but believe in what I see.
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You are right,this is acknowledged everywhere Amir plays that he is a World Class bowler and Australian commentators too said that he is the pick of the bowlers of summer even better then Starc and Hazelwood, only his luck is not with him but that too will not last long and he will soon become the No.1 bowler in the world again,yet people are comparing him with likes of Hasan who will be dropped after his lucky break his over.
 
Pete Rose said:
6 is pretty respectable in odis. Remind me, how many 5 wicket hauls did aamir manage in the odis in Australia
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6 means 300 in a 50 over game,do you seriously back our batsmen to chase 300 every time they go onto bat.
 
Syed1 said:
So now Hasan Ali is a better bowler than Amir not because any stat or metric says it but because some PP experts who probably haven't played a proper match in their lives think so.
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To appease your fetish for stats Hasan has outperformed post ban Amir in each aspect except ER.
 
I think last game was his weakest as far as captaincy goes . .

First sending Imad when you had Fakhar . . (i like the thinking . . just the execution was a bit off)
Wahab was your best bowler and he only bowled 2 overs for 6 . .
Selecting sohail tanvir when ruman raees brings the same brand of bowling to the team plus a much better fielder
Opening hte bowling with imad when these are low and slow wickets, not the skiddy ones . . you're better off bowling imad in the middle . .

Having said that though . . this is a really weird team selected by Pakistan . . Idk what you can do?

Babar, Sarfaraz, Malik, Shehzad . . they are all similar players . . and you could only have a maximum 3 of such players in a T20 . .

In addition, I understand fakhar has domestic performances to warrant a place in the side. . but from what i saw yesterday . . i just dont see how he will be successful in intl cricket . .

so its a little difficult to balance this team . .
 
Nothing exceptional so far. Average.

Have to wait by end of ODI series for further evaluation.

Couldn't bowl out WI in any of first three T20s. That's a bad bad omen for ODIs. I'm fearing a series loss in ODIs.
 
A big test of character for Inzamam. Let's see if he accepts he made a mistake in appointing Sarfaraz as captain.

Azhar Ali was a below par captain, and Sarfaraz doesn't look to be better than Azhar Ali. In fact Azhar was better than Sarfaraz.
 
Ellipsism said:
Last time I checked Hasan doesn't bowl all 50 overs...
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We should be thankful that he doesn't,otherwise we would go onto lose every match.
What I meant to say was his economy of 6 allows opposition to make big totals and it is only because of Amir and Imad that we sometimes restrict oppositions to targets that we can chase.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
We should be thankful that he doesn't,otherwise we would go onto lose every match.
What I meant to say was his economy of 6 allows opposition to make big totals and it is only because of Amir and Imad that we sometimes restrict oppositions to targets that we can chase.
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Unfortunately in modern day LOI cricket restriction only really works against minnows like us- without wickets at the back end the batsman can go at 8-10 RPO.
 
last_knight said:
A big test of character for Inzamam. Let's see if he accepts he made a mistake in appointing Sarfaraz as captain.

Azhar Ali was a below par captain, and Sarfaraz doesn't look to be better than Azhar Ali. In fact Azhar was better than Sarfaraz.
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Wow!!!
7 wins and only 1 loss,still people make such claims as if he is not a human who will never lose,he is a proven leader who has had success in U-19,Domestic,PSL and international cricket too,maybe we don't deserve Sarfraz as the Captain and rather Azhar who is a living statue and does not do anything out of the box,maybe he can take Pakistan to prestigious World Cup Qualifiers and we can be happy if we top the tournament.
 
Ellipsism said:
Unfortunately in modern day LOI cricket restriction only really works against minnows like us- without wickets at the back end the batsman can go at 8-10 RPO.
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As if Hasan is taking bundles of wickets and others are dead statues,there is only a slight difference between the averages of Post ban Amir and Hasan,also they are not minnows like us whose tails are bling sloggers or incompetent,wickets or not there tail enders still are capable of making 10 per over in final stages as nowadays batting goes down to number 10-11 of most teams.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Wow!!!
7 wins and only 1 loss,still people make such claims as if he is not a human who will never lose,he is a proven leader who has had success in U-19,Domestic,PSL and international cricket too,maybe we don't deserve Sarfraz as the Captain and rather Azhar who is a living statue and does not do anything out of the box,maybe he can take Pakistan to prestigious World Cup Qualifiers and we can be happy if we top the tournament.
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Jack of all trades and not a master.

Prepare yourself for a loss in ODI series.

T20 is his strongest suit as a captain. And these wins have not been influenced by his Captaincy.

To lead for 100 overs is simply beyond him.
 
last_knight said:
Jack of all trades and not a master.

Prepare yourself for a loss in ODI series.

T20 is his strongest suit as a captain. And these wins have not been influenced by his Captaincy.

To lead for 100 overs is simply beyond him.
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You prepare yourself for a whitewash on West Indies.
 
last_knight said:
A big test of character for Inzamam. Let's see if he accepts he made a mistake in appointing Sarfaraz as captain.

Azhar Ali was a below par captain, and Sarfaraz doesn't look to be better than Azhar Ali. In fact Azhar was better than Sarfaraz.
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POTW

hats off to you :salute:salute
 
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I was extremely impressed with his captaincy in the first 2 games. I loved how he was talking to the bowler after every single delivery and was even scolding the lads when they did something he'd already told them not to. Hasan Ali defending the runs in the last over was primarily because of the Sarfraz instilled confidence and dare I say Sarfi reminded me of Dhoni.

However, last night, I felt like Sarfraz totally lost the plot while fielding. Had no clue what to do and was just sticking to the plan. Didn't even use Wahab properly. Other than that, very disappointed with his persistence with Tanvir and even Shehzad.
 
Third series win as captain against world cup finalists.

Very good on-field captaincy.
Needs to better at team selection and batting order.
 
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last_knight said:
A big test of character for Inzamam. Let's see if he accepts he made a mistake in appointing Sarfaraz as captain.

Azhar Ali was a below par captain, and Sarfaraz doesn't look to be better than Azhar Ali. In fact Azhar was better than Sarfaraz.
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Had Sarfraz lost every single match as captain he would still look better than Azhar Ali.

On the field Azhar Ali makes baby lambs look like Genghis Khan.

Ok, now back to trolling you go...
 
ExpressPacer said:
I was extremely impressed with his captaincy in the first 2 games. I loved how he was talking to the bowler after every single delivery and was even scolding the lads when they did something he'd already told them not to. Hasan Ali defending the runs in the last over was primarily because of the Sarfraz instilled confidence and dare I say Sarfi reminded me of Dhoni.

However, last night, I felt like Sarfraz totally lost the plot while fielding. Had no clue what to do and was just sticking to the plan. Didn't even use Wahab properly. Other than that, very disappointed with his persistence with Tanvir and even Shehzad.
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No one seems to have considered the possibility that Wahab looked particularly good that match
because he only bowled two overs. If I were a captain and had managed to get two economical
overs out of spray gun Riaz I might be very tempted to wipe my brow with relief and quit while I
was ahead, as the poker term goes.
 
New Yorker said:
Had Sarfraz lost every single match as captain he would still look better than Azhar Ali.

On the field Azhar Ali makes baby lambs look like Genghis Khan.

Ok, now back to trolling you go...
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Sarfaraz the captain Should had been limited to T20s only for 20 odd matches before giving him Captaincy in ODIs. I think he will be exposed in 50 overs format as of now.

As I said earlier, will wait till completion of this ODI series to further evaluate his captaincy. Hence we can debate it later. Till then, it's just my opinion.

For me, Sarfaraz is most likeable player in this team but this doesn't mean I should be overlooking his shortcomings.
 
Extremely unfair captain; look how he treated the rookie Fakhar Zaman who is an opener but Sarfraz played him in lower middle order :facepalm: such a biased captain should be fired
 
Batting is all over the place, won't be winning these many games if the team keeps batting like this
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Wow!!!
7 wins and only 1 loss,still people make such claims as if he is not a human who will never lose,he is a proven leader who has had success in U-19,Domestic,PSL and international cricket too,maybe we don't deserve Sarfraz as the Captain and rather Azhar who is a living statue and does not do anything out of the box,maybe he can take Pakistan to prestigious World Cup Qualifiers and we can be happy if we top the tournament.
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Yes Hafeez and malik are there who can score centuries and make them a top team in that tournament...
 
I believe he is still not strong enough of a captain. In order to play fakhar up in the order, sarfraz has to fight akmal and hafeez mafia. He is not there yet
 
asma_cricfan said:
I believe he is still not strong enough of a captain. In order to play fakhar up in the order, sarfraz has to fight akmal and hafeez mafia. He is not there yet
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These are just excuses. The reality is that he is captain with full authority and yet he did not play Fakhar at the right position. In the 4th T20I Sarfraz was absolutely most selfish captain coming in to bat before Fakhar. Extremely selfish behaviour from a captain :facepalm:
 
last_knight said:
Sarfaraz the captain Should had been limited to T20s only for 20 odd matches before giving him Captaincy in ODIs. I think he will be exposed in 50 overs format as of now.

As I said earlier, will wait till completion of this ODI series to further evaluate his captaincy. Hence we can debate it later. Till then, it's just my opinion.

For me, Sarfaraz is most likeable player in this team but this doesn't mean I should be overlooking his shortcomings.
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Seems to me you didn't wait to evaluate, that was the curious thing.

What are these shortcomings?

He won a U-19 WC in the LOI format so I am optimistic. Certainly if the alternative is Azhar.
 
New Yorker said:
Seems to me you didn't wait to evaluate, that was the curious thing.

What are these shortcomings?

He won a U-19 WC in the LOI format so I am optimistic. Certainly if the alternative is Azhar.
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For ecample:
1=Good Captains don't bowl out their best bowler by 15th over, doesn't matter if he happens to be a spinner in his debut series.

Shadab not bowling in PP and death overs suggests that he wasn't considered a strike bowler.

If he had held back Shadab for 18/19th overs, Targets Could easily had been 10 runs fewer than what Pak actually had to chase. At least in 2 matches.

In ODIs, If he continues to bowl out Shadab by 35-40th over, that's not optimal use of resources. In situations where opposition is 6 down by 33rd over, he can go for the kill and bowl out Shadab earlier in hunt of wickets. Otherwise, Shadab should have 3 overs remaining by the 40th over. 6th bowler having bowled 4 overs by then.

2= Imad likes pace on ball and he sent him when Badree was bowling.

3= Good captains prefer to utilise Part timers when bowling first. They usually don't prefer part timers when defending.

I repeat, further evaluation with held.
Might be the case of my looking too much into circumstantial incidences. Waiting to see if these things rhymes again in ODIs or were just circumstantial.
 
last_knight said:
For ecample:
1=Good Captains don't bowl out their best bowler by 15th over, doesn't matter if he happens to be a spinner in his debut series.

Shadab not bowling in PP and death overs suggests that he wasn't considered a strike bowler.

If he had held back Shadab for 18/19th overs, Targets Could easily had been 10 runs fewer than what Pak actually had to chase. At least in 2 matches.

In ODIs, If he continues to bowl out Shadab by 35-40th over, that's not optimal use of resources. In situations where opposition is 6 down by 33rd over, he can go for the kill and bowl out Shadab earlier in hunt of wickets. Otherwise, Shadab should have 3 overs remaining by the 40th over. 6th bowler having bowled 4 overs by then.

2= Imad likes pace on ball and he sent him when Badree was bowling.

3= Good captains prefer to utilise Part timers when bowling first. They usually don't prefer part timers when defending.

I repeat, further evaluation with held.
Might be the case of my looking too much into circumstantial incidences. Waiting to see if these things rhymes again in ODIs or were just circumstantial.
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Point 1 is the prime example of a horribly defensive mindset. Saving your best bowlers for the end is the worst possible strategy anyone can apply. In the modern game the only way survive the death overs as a bowling side is to take wickets throughout so that batting teams have to limit risk taking at the death. If you have wickets remaining at death I don't care if you are a combination of Holding/steyn/McGrath of Warne/ashwin/Saqlain you will get murdered in the death.
 
samiakh said:
Point 1 is the prime example of a horribly defensive mindset. Saving your best bowlers for the end is the worst possible strategy anyone can apply. In the modern game the only way survive the death overs as a bowling side is to take wickets throughout so that batting teams have to limit risk taking at the death. If you have wickets remaining at death I don't care if you are a combination of Holding/steyn/McGrath of Warne/ashwin/Saqlain you will get murdered in the death.
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Once you have them 4 down inside 50% of overs, batting teams mostly wait for slog overs. In that case you should save some overs from strike bowlers.
 
last_knight said:
Once you have them 4 down inside 50% of overs, batting teams mostly wait for slog overs. In that case you should save some overs from strike bowlers.
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Wrong!! If you have them 4 down you try to get them 6 and 7 and 8 down. Don't sit and wait you will lose that game for sure.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
three series wins against world cup finalists despite having ttfs.
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He's done all that could be asked, which is to say win. But really I am talking about basic observable
behaviour. Is the captain pro-active, does he adjust to changing match situations? Does he motivate
his players, make smart tactical decisions, at the very least avoid making silly mistakes? This is where
the difference with Azhar has always been plain to see, unless you are Pete Rose.
 
Pete Rose said:
Beating West Indies in any format of the game is not a guide to anything as Azhar ali discovered in Australia. We can pick this up after the champions trophy.
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The question is not whether and how much the team has improved; it's whether the captaincy has improved. You can tell these things if you watch the captain at work, much as you can tell whether a particular player is taking more wickets, or scoring more runs, quite irrespective of what are the fortunes of the team as a whole. We can see that Sarfraz is proactive on the field, that he motivates the players and that he does not commit awful tactical blunders as a matter of course. In all of these respects he is already a manifestly better captain than Azhar. Which is not in and of itself such a remarkable achievement, because Azhar was truly awful, your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
 
New Yorker said:
The question is not whether and how much the team has improved; it's whether the captaincy has improved. You can tell these things if you watch the captain at work, much as you can tell whether a particular player is taking more wickets, or scoring more runs, quite irrespective of what are the fortunes of the team as a whole. We can see that Sarfraz is proactive on the field, that he motivates the players and that he does not commit awful tactical blunders as a matter of course. In all of these respects he is already a manifestly better captain than Azhar. Which is not in and of itself such a remarkable achievement, because Azhar was truly awful, your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
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Sure all of what you wrote could be valid or just subjective nonsense post CT
 
How can you justify treatment of Fakhar Zaman by Sarfraz? An opener newbie was forced to play as a slogger in lower middle order :facepalm:

And in the last T20l, Sarfraz committed the worst selfish act ever when he come into bat before Fakhar when the match was almost finished. :facepalm: times millions. I would have fired him from captaincy at the spot after that decision.
 
srh said:
How can you justify treatment of Fakhar Zaman by Sarfraz? An opener newbie was forced to play as a slogger in lower middle order :facepalm:

And in the last T20l, Sarfraz committed the worst selfish act ever when he come into bat before Fakhar when the match was almost finished. :facepalm: times millions. I would have fired him from captaincy at the spot after that decision.
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I know you're trolling, but it's not Sarfraz's fault that Inzi "the Revolutionary" picked TTFs- Shehzad and Akmal. He is kind of forced to play them and let'em open.
 
Best option at the moment for T20Is and ODIs.

There's a sense of urgency when he's out in the field. He keeps his players on their toes and knows what his plans are.

Yes he's learning and there is room for improvement, but so far, so good.
 
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