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This is not the first time that Sarfraz decided to send Hassan before him. It's surprising since he didnt come out to bat.
 
Look at the game situation and look at what batters remain. Hasan Ali can slog it.

A great captain knows their own limitation and understand's other player's potential.
 
in the last four over, Asif, Imad, Faheem should have absolutely come before Sarfraz. With 3 balls to go, Hassan is probably better than Sarfraz too.

The only argument can be whether Sarfraz should have come before Haris in the power play. Haris clearly did well, but Sarfraz could have been a good option in that situation too
 
Why does it have to be any of these two options? Perhaps he wants to give younger player a chance to shine. Let's support our players instead of always try to look for negatives.
 
He's not scared. The players who came in above him were more ideal people for the given situation
 
He was protecting his position because he doesn't know how to bat anymore, Sarfraz reminds me of the chip shop men in the UK inner city's, yes mate, I would like some chilly and mayo on my chips
 
He is a toxic captain who takes no responsibility as a player but continues to shout at his teammates who are actually playing and shaping wins for him.

It is only a matter of time before he loses the dressing room and a group of players show him the mirror.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a toxic captain who takes no responsibility as a player but continues to shout at his teammates who are actually playing and shaping wins for him.

It is only a matter of time before he loses the dressing room and a group of players show him the mirror.
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His media guys have that angle covered for people like him not getting support from the dressing room, they've had this angle covered from 1960's and 70s onwords. 😉
 
Not scared.

Right thing to do - he's useless as a batsman, he himself knows that as well.

That's why he wouldn't come to bat at the right time. Tbh, even Hasan Ali is a better batsman than Sarfraz.

So, right thing to do. However, Sarfraz fan club will still invent a reason for him to stay in the team.
 
Hawkeye said:
Not scared.

Right thing to do - he's useless as a batsman, he himself knows that as well.

That's why he wouldn't come to bat at the right time. Tbh, even Hasan Ali is a better batsman than Sarfraz.

So, right thing to do. However, Sarfraz fan club will still invent a reason for him to stay in the team.
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It shows your knowledge of cricket when you say Hasan Ali is a better batsman than Sarfaraz....
 
No point playing Imam UL Haq at no.3 in a t20. Stupidity at the highest level.

If hafeez is injured then play abid as an opener if u want. If don’t want to disturb babar as an opener then that’s fine too.

Asif Ali Haris sarfraz and Imad can easily fill up the vacancy in the middle order.
 
As we don't have many power hitters in the lower order Sarfaraz tends to hold himself back for that reason. Waqar rightfully pointed out this as being a major concern for Pak in the coming WC. Thing is that Sarfaraz does not fill that role either:afridi
 
Needs to bat at 4 like he's been saying to the press.
 
Not only his batting position but his captaincy was poor today. We talk about PSL, look at every match how Hassan Ali was used by Sammy in every game. He was used as 5th change today
 
He knows his capabilities. It's not like he's stokes or Russell and is scared to come up.
 
Forum363 said:
It shows your knowledge of cricket when you say Hasan Ali is a better batsman than Sarfaraz....
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What [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] is clearly trying to say, is that Hasan Ali has better hitting skills than Sarfraz has and he's right he does.

Since 2018, Hasan Ali has 2 half centuries in the last 12 innings (batting at 8/9) whereas Sarfraz has managed the same number of 50s but in 17 innings during the same period.

Since 2018, Hasan Ali has a strike rate of around 110 whereas Sarfraz is in the mid 70s.

Perhaps you might want to retract your above statement?
 
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Nasty Naz said:
Look at the game situation and look at what batters remain. Hasan Ali can slog it.

A great captain knows their own limitation and understand's other player's potential.
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So Sarfraz is a great captain now? That's better than all Amy Schumer's jokes combined.
 
topspin said:
What [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] is clearly trying to say, is that Hasan Ali has better hitting skills than Sarfraz has and he's right he does.

Since 2018, Hasan Ali has 2 half centuries in the last 12 innings (batting at 8/9) whereas Sarfraz has managed the same number of 50s but in 17 innings during the same period.

Since 2018, Hasan Ali has a strike rate of around 110 whereas Sarfraz is in the mid 70s.

Perhaps you might want to retract your above statement?
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Absolutely not, why would I retract my completely fine statement.

If you want to talk about hitting skills - you could argue Hassan has better hitting skills than most of the team bar Fakhar and Imad to an extent. And even those two are more boundary hitters where as Hassan hits clean sixes. But what does that prove.

No one is arguing that Sarfraz is going through a lean patch and has been rubbish with the bat lately, but this guy has scored centuries in ODI and test match cricket. To argue that a tail ender is better than him because of a small sample size shows...... like I said before .... shows how limited a knowledge you have of cricket.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
No point playing Imam UL Haq at no.3 in a t20. Stupidity at the highest level.

If hafeez is injured then play abid as an opener if u want. If don’t want to disturb babar as an opener then that’s fine too.

Asif Ali Haris sarfraz and Imad can easily fill up the vacancy in the middle order.
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Yeah let's just hope that was for WC prep, Imam should be let nowhere near the T20 team.
 
Forum363 said:
Absolutely not, why would I retract my completely fine statement.

If you want to talk about hitting skills - you could argue Hassan has better hitting skills than most of the team bar Fakhar and Imad to an extent. And even those two are more boundary hitters where as Hassan hits clean sixes. But what does that prove.

No one is arguing that Sarfraz is going through a lean patch and has been rubbish with the bat lately, but this guy has scored centuries in ODI and test match cricket. To argue that a tail ender is better than him because of a small sample size shows...... like I said before .... shows how limited a knowledge you have of cricket.
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Except Sarfraz had a "Purple patch" for 1 year and has been on a lean patch for next 02 years.

Which might show that its not actually a lean patch, but his true batting ability.

I quite dont agree Hasan is a better batsmen though.

Better bowler and hitter, sure.
 
The match situation demanded Sarfraz batted lower today. If the third wicket had gone down quickly, Sarfraz would definitely have walked out. If imam had hung around and built a partnership with babar or even Fakhar had stayed until the 14/15th over than Asif / Imad / Faheem / Hassan would come up even higher before Haris / Imam.

Why?

Because that makes sense.

When a wicket falls at the end of the innings you send your best hitters in because even a 12 of 5 balls type innings is useful.

The number of people spewing hate for Sarfaraz and calling him cowardly for batting low today is ridiculous. His batting has been rubbish lately and deserves criticism, but at least be sensible about things.
 
Forum363 said:
Absolutely not, why would I retract my completely fine statement.

If you want to talk about hitting skills - you could argue Hassan has better hitting skills than most of the team bar Fakhar and Imad to an extent. And even those two are more boundary hitters where as Hassan hits clean sixes. But what does that prove.

No one is arguing that Sarfraz is going through a lean patch and has been rubbish with the bat lately, but this guy has scored centuries in ODI and test match cricket. To argue that a tail ender is better than him because of a small sample size shows...... like I said before .... shows how limited a knowledge you have of cricket.
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Don't worry man these guys are always ready to pounce on Sarfraz, as you say he is having a lean period but even if he was in a great form any sane captain would send a hitter rather than a classical batsmen with few overs to go. Though I agree we do not need Imam UL Haq inT20z, and And Sarfraz can bat in his place; Asif Ali should be replaced by Abid Ali atleast for ODIs and for T20s by Hafeez or Malik.
 
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PakPremi said:
Don't worry man these guys are always ready to pounce on Sarfraz, as you say he is having a lean period but even if he was in a great form any sane captain would send a hitter rather than a classical batsmen with few overs to go. Though I agree we do not need Imam UL Haq inT20z, and And Sarfraz can bat in his place; Asif Ali should be replaced by Abid Ali atleast for ODIs and for T20s by Hafeez or Malik.
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At least your post makes sense.

I have begun to lose patience with Sarfraz but it was frustrating to see some of the ridiculous statements today such as bring in Rizwan (who is even worse at striking the ball and not even a proper keeper) and Umar Akmal who has the brain of a 5 year old child to go with the awful attitude, poor fitness and crap technique.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Except Sarfraz had a "Purple patch" for 1 year and has been on a lean patch for next 02 years.

Which might show that its not actually a lean patch, but his true batting ability.

I quite dont agree Hasan is a better batsmen though.

Better bowler and hitter, sure.
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The funny thing is, in his ‘lean patch’ Sarfaraz averages high 20’s which is around the same / better than Kamran Akmals whole career. And everyone always quote Kami as some amazing batsman who was let down by his poor keeping..
 
Forum363 said:
Absolutely not, why would I retract my completely fine statement.

If you want to talk about hitting skills - you could argue Hassan has better hitting skills than most of the team bar Fakhar and Imad to an extent. And even those two are more boundary hitters where as Hassan hits clean sixes. But what does that prove.

No one is arguing that Sarfraz is going through a lean patch and has been rubbish with the bat lately, but this guy has scored centuries in ODI and test match cricket. To argue that a tail ender is better than him because of a small sample size shows...... like I said before .... shows how limited a knowledge you have of cricket.
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I'm not saying Hasan Ali is a better batsman but there is no doubt the stats prove Hasan Ali has been a bigger asset with the bat from 2018 onwards in 50 over cricket, as evident from his strike rate and conversion rates to 50+ runs.

This is not a debate about who's achieved more with the bat in their careers, it's about how much Sarfraz has regressed to tail end status. Stop trying to making excuses like "It's a lean patch". What kind of captain and so-called batsman hides down the order behind tail enders in the side? Clearly has no confidence or belief in his batting ability, otherwise he would come in as the last recognised batsman or move up the order and play the accumulator role.

To actually think Hasan Ali has more hitting ability than Babar and Haris Sohail (who hit 4 x sixes between them today), perhaps shows you're the one with a limited knowledge of cricket or more likely to be just a blind follower. So which one is it?

When evidence is brought to the table, all you can come up with is "lean patch" and call everyone who have share the same concerns about him as "haters".
 
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Well the situation today didnt need him to bat. I am with Sarfraz on this one.

The weak links today were Faheem, Imam and Asif.
 
He’s a good player. Should focus on ODI and Test now.

I think Pakistan will not be missing out on anything by employing Umar Akmal as a specialist T20 player/keeper batsman.
 
topspin said:
I'm not saying Hasan Ali is a better batsman but there is no doubt the stats prove Hasan Ali has been a bigger asset with the bat from 2018 onwards in 50 over cricket, as evident from his strike rate and conversion rates to 50+ runs.

This is not a debate about who's achieved more with the bat in their careers, it's about how much Sarfraz has regressed to tail end status. Stop trying to making excuses like "It's a lean patch". What kind of captain and so-called batsman hides down the order behind tail enders in the side? Clearly has no confidence or belief in his batting ability, otherwise he would come in as the last recognised batsman or move up the order and play the accumulator role.

To actually think Hasan Ali has more hitting ability than Babar and Haris Sohail (who hit 4 x sixes between them today), perhaps shows you're the one with a limited knowledge of cricket or more likely to be just a blind follower. So which one is it?

When evidence is brought to the table, all you can come up with is "lean patch" and call everyone who have share the same concerns about him as "haters".
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Well thats the statement you jumped in to defend - when I pointed out that saying Hassan Ali is a better batsman than Sarfaraz is ridiculous. But you’ve confirmed that you are no longer saying that, instead you are saying that Hassan Ali has been more useful than Sarfaraz over a 12 match sample when comparing 50s and strike rate? I am sure you could find many better batsmen than Sarfaraz who would lose out to Hassan Ali over a specific portion of their career when you compare their strike and number of 50s. What does that prove?

Sarfaraz in this regression period averages mid 20s. Thats rubbish but its not tail end status, especially given he has been performing in his primary job as a keeper and dont have a replacement. If he keeps on averaging 25 for the next 15 odd matches then he will probably be dropped anyway.

As for why he ‘hid’ behind others, read my post #23 above on match situation. If you disagree with any of it, and think Sarfaraz should have come in before the hitters to show how ‘fearless’ he is then we can debate it some more.

Anyone who has watched Babar and Haris play know they are not big hitters. They have sublime timing and, when set, can hit sixes but that doesnt make them big hitters. Hassan on the other hand, has shown on many occasions that he can just hit cleanly through the line without too many balls to warm up, and his shots travel a lot further. Some batsman just have a knack for it ie maxwell, butler, afridi etc. Theyre not the biggest of guys but they have the knack. Hassan, while a worse batsman overall, has that ability.

Who did I call a hater?

I simply stepped in because it seems to be a Sarfaraz free for all today. Specifically to point the stupidity of claiming Hassan is a better batsman and secondly that he was scared to send the hitters before him in the batting order.
 
He just doesn't have skills he is just awful with bat.He can't score runs against Pacers and his game against spin has gone down too.He should be dumped as soon as possible.Pathetic player.
 
He is just not a good bat. He just had couple of good years and people started expecting great things from him. It is unfair on him as well as he was never as good as people though he was.
 
He knows his limitation. It seems like he has lost all confidence on his batting and is happy with playing as a specialist keeper captain.
 
he is not a t20 player....so this will keep happening until he is done with t20
you will see this happen in the odi's as well if the top three bat till the 40th over.
He will only come to bat at a 4 in odi if its between overs 10 to 35-40.
 
He will get exposed that's why. He is the biggest coward i have ever seen.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
He is just there to shout when something does not go to his wishes. ��
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No he should smile at the players when they misfield or bowl at wrong lines and lengths. Intact he should order them a bouquet for their hotel room.
Sarfraz just is not a big hitter and should be removed from T20s, despite being a decent captain.
 
Sarfaraz has said he will bat at 4 or 5 in the World cup, and i believe he will do so in the One day series as well.
This was a T20 and the situation did not demand him to come and bat, as there were other players available who are better striking big Than sarfaraz. Faheem and Imad played useful cameos to support that.

I honestly dont get the logic of some people on this forum.

Lets have this debate after the one day series not after a solitary T20 which will not have much bearing on our world cup preparation.
 
GreenKhan said:
Sarfaraz has said he will bat at 4 or 5 in the World cup, and i believe he will do so in the One day series as well.
This was a T20 and the situation did not demand him to come and bat, as there were other players available who are better striking big Than sarfaraz. Faheem and Imad played useful cameos to support that.

I honestly dont get the logic of some people on this forum.

Lets have this debate after the one day series not after a solitary T20 which will not have much bearing on our world cup preparation.
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As I said earlier they are just waiting to pounce on Sarfaraz, even when he is not playing. Posters here have their favorites who can do no wrong and the ones they hate can do no right.
 
PakPremi said:
No he should smile at the players when they misfield or bowl at wrong lines and lengths. Intact he should order them a bouquet for their hotel room.
Sarfraz just is not a big hitter and should be removed from T20s, despite being a decent captain.
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I have never seen Williamson or Morgan shouting at their players. It only demoralizes players. Even Kohli who shows aggression after a dismissal rarely shouts at his players.

Sammy never shouted at Hasan Ali once, just used him properly in PSL and he was simply outstanding in PSL and was the highest wicket taler. Got the same Vince out who played in the last T20 international in the very first over.

Also there is no point in shouting, he should concentrate on tactics and filed settings and if someone isnt bowling well just remove him from the attack and bring him back after some overs. Just cant understand what purpose has shouting served as our record except T20s has been horrible in last 2 years.
 
He is shouting less now, and I have not heard any player raise this as a concern, even if they would not dare do it in public they would have spoken to management. Pakistani players are not very professional and lose their focus easily, therefore there needs to be a captain or wicket keeper keep reminding them of their goals. We saw that during Malik captaincy stint.
 
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Its not about being scared instead i think he knows that he is not going to be able to play like required instead his knock will probably garner him criticism.So he has to send somebody else because deep down he knows that he is not good enough.Doesnt reflect well on him either way but that's how it is.
 
All depends on the situation. However, I don't think he's good enough to bat at 4 or 5 in the upcoming ODI's. His batting has been mince interlaced with some good knocks here and there. For all the criticism, Rizwan has shown more promise but he misses out completely. In summary, you need a proper batsman to play in the upper order.
 
Is this post about Sarfaraz shouting or his batting position? What this seems like is a Sarfaraz bashing thread where all logic is thrown out the window . Either way he is our captain and let’s back him for the World Cup as ultimately we should all want Team Pak to do well.
 
He is aware of his ability. He rather send guys who are more capable to hit.
 
Mercurial said:
He should be opening with Fakhar. He is useless in the lower order.
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1.Fakhar Zaman
2.Sarfraz Ahmed
3.Abid Ali/Imam Ul Haq
4.Babar Azam
5.Haris Sohail
6.Mohammad Hafeez
7.Imad Wasim
8.Shadab Khan
9.Hasan Ali
10.Mohammad Amir
11.Shaheen Afridi
 
We'll find out in the Odis. There will be a time in this series when Sarfraz will have to bat with 5 or 6 down on the board. He's put himself in this situation and I don't get why he sends Imad before himself. Time to prove his worth. He made a place in the squad because of his batting and he needs to be scoring for his captaincy to click.
 
Chokli said:
1.Fakhar Zaman
2.Sarfraz Ahmed
3.Abid Ali/Imam Ul Haq
4.Babar Azam
5.Haris Sohail
6.Mohammad Hafeez
7.Imad Wasim
8.Shadab Khan
9.Hasan Ali
10.Mohammad Amir
11.Shaheen Afridi
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Two specialist fast bowlers are more than enough.
 
Chokli said:
1.Fakhar Zaman
2.Sarfraz Ahmed
3.Abid Ali/Imam Ul Haq
4.Babar Azam
5.Haris Sohail
6.Mohammad Hafeez
7.Imad Wasim
8.Shadab Khan
9.Hasan Ali
10.Mohammad Amir
11.Shaheen Afridi
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This is a good XI
 
CadPakFan said:
This is a good XI
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I strongly disagree. You are shifting Babar and Haris one spot down the order when it is very clear they are our best bats at 3, 4.

If Sarfaraz opens then we dont need imam or Abid at number 3 especially when Babar is doing well there.

Also 3 fast bowlers in English conditions is a risky ploy. Ideally you want 4 pacers and 2 spinners . I would go if Sarfaraz was to open given the current squad announced.

Sarfaraz
zaman
babar
Harris
Hafeez
Asif/malik
shadab/imad
Faheem
Hassan
shaheen
amir/junaid

This 11 is based on the squad announced. Theres issues there but its the best i could muster if Sarfaraz was to open. 20 overs of potential spin if needed.
 
Mercurial said:
Two specialist fast bowlers are more than enough.
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If we only went with two specialist fast bowlers we will be conceding 300 plus all the time. How do you expect the overs to be distributed with only 2 specialist fast bowlers?
 
GreenKhan said:
If we only went with two specialist fast bowlers we will be conceding 300 plus all the time. How do you expect the overs to be distributed with only 2 specialist fast bowlers?
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2 specialist fast bowlers, Shadab, Imad, Malik or Hafeez. Even if you concede 300 plus, you can still chase it with a lengthy batting line up.
 
GreenKhan said:
I strongly disagree. You are shifting Babar and Haris one spot down the order when it is very clear they are our best bats at 3, 4.

If Sarfaraz opens then we dont need imam or Abid at number 3 especially when Babar is doing well there.

Also 3 fast bowlers in English conditions is a risky ploy. Ideally you want 4 pacers and 2 spinners . I would go if Sarfaraz was to open given the current squad announced.

Sarfaraz
zaman
babar
Harris
Hafeez
Asif/malik
shadab/imad
Faheem
Hassan
shaheen
amir/junaid

This 11 is based on the squad announced. Theres issues there but its the best i could muster if Sarfaraz was to open. 20 overs of potential spin if needed.
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Lol and yet you post horrible XI in response.

Asif and Malik at 6? Really? One guy isn't even a batsman and the other averages 13 in England since 2001.

You have Shadab at 7 who is not an all rounder and you have Faheem at 8 who can't bat or bowl.
 
This not a fantasy 11! I have picked an 11 based on the squad selected and it’s the best I can muster .

Defo not an ideal 11 and I certainly would not even have Malik in the squad let alone the starting 11. That’s why I feel Sarfaraz is defo better of playing at 4-5 as he has done before successfully in England and hopefully can repeat his form .
 
That is an awful bowling attack . This is not the UAE where you need 4 spinners. Malik and Hafeez don’t even bowl regularly. That bowling attack will concede 350 most days .
 
Sarfaraz has been saying he will bat at number 5 at the World Cup - where is he then?
 
This is why he doesn't come to bat.

Because he's useless!
 
It was the right call to promote Asif today. Considering Sarfaraz is not that great of a hitter.
 
Sarfaraz today has outbatted the two biggest darlings of Pakistan fans (and two of the crappiest batsmen) Bhateeja and Haris.

His captaincy alone justifies his place in the side, leave alone his superior batting capability compared to Bhateeja and Haris
 
Awful innings. 2 boundaries in 32 deliveries at this stage is unforgivable.
 
I think we need Imam Ul Haq out of the team Sarfaraz can open the bat and Hafeez can be drafted into the team.. It will be a good combination in my opinion..
 
Mamoon said:
Awful innings. 2 boundaries in 32 deliveries at this stage is unforgivable.
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Still was striking at 140.... you are becoming the clown of the forum with each passing day. People point at you and say look at this loser.
 
Sarfraz is the biggest match loser in our history!!

I’ve had enough of this incompetent player and needs to be booted out ASAP!!

Can’t believe how Rizwan must be feeling right now.

Sarfraz can’t hit when required at all - so frustrating to watch the last two overs go to waste today... 😖
 
msb314 said:
I’ve had enough of this incompetent player and needs to be booted out ASAP!!

Can’t believe how Rizwan must be feeling right now.

Sarfraz can’t hit when required at all - so frustrating to watch the last two overs go to waste today... ��
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I would agree with this, but Malik recently flopped a chase in a similar scenario and we ended up losing by a few runs against Australia. I don't know which game but it was 1 of the 5 ODIs.
 
The problem is our team got outplayed in death bowling. All are leg sided hoicks and english bowlers bowled on the off stump. We had no answer whatsoever
 
Awful innings.

Playing for his average.

What on earth was he doing.
 
I am not a Sarfraz fan but it's a hard task he played pretty well to score off the last two over is never easy if asif Ali or even imad were around we could have done it. I do agree Rizwan is a better wicket keeper and batsman as well but him too he isn't a big hitter either.

Regardless I am pleased with the result I was ready to be happy with Pakistan losing by 70 runs the fact that it was by 12 runs was really amazing
 
comes in at #6 scores 41(32) Yes he missed few boundaries but how come its solely his fault?? the certified AR Imad and Faheem FAILED. HArry FAILED. blame should go to them first
 
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