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Sarfraz Ahmed poor keeping wicket to spinners

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It's noticeable that many of Sarfraz's errors on the tour of Australia have been when keeping wicket to the spinners.

Surprising really considering he will have been brought up keeping wicket to the spinners.

His form seems very up and down when keeping wicket; from very good to rather poor.
 
Why the free pass for Sarfraz Ahmed?

Considering the robust discussion and debate of other players form- why the free pass (and even captaincy discussion :O )for Sarfraz?

He dropped Steve Smith at the Gabba (a big turning point in the match) and missed 3 stumpings at the SCG alone. A few 30s & 40s with the bat makes up for this?

I think fans misunderstand that a dropped chance kills your bowlers confidence, worsens their figures, forces them to bowl more overs and tires/blunts them and loses you matches.

Criticism of the bowlers has been ruthless but it's partly the missed chances which are causing their poor performance. A team like Pakistan needs the best keeper to minimise their other fielding weaknesses.
 
Completely unimpressed by Sarfraz in this series not only by his keeping but also by his batting. We need a better keeper in test cricket.
 
He has been criticized. We don't have a better replacement currently.

Regarding giving him captaincy, it's because of the lack of options and Azhar being an inferior version of Misbah tactically with no leadership qualities.
 
If Adnan is safe keeper then he he should be preferred over Sarfraz. Its one thing to miss odd bye but catching and missing stump can be very costly.
 
Completely unimpressed by Sarfraz in this series not only by his keeping but also by his batting. We need a better keeper in test cricket.

Had a good series with the bat, averaged over 50, with those half centuries coming in dire circumstances when the rest of his team was faltering.

Wicket keeping has been awful and doesn't seem to be getting better. However unfortunately looks like the best wicketkeeper we have. The fact he averaged well with the bat in this series IMO has put him back in captaincy debate. Though still would rather he improve his keeping, but realistically don't think he's going to get any better.
 
Don't let his stats fool you, he's been god awful this series. Garbage keeping and could't keep himself from slashing at any single frigging delivery.
 
Had a good series with the bat, averaged over 50, with those half centuries coming in dire circumstances when the rest of his team was faltering.

Wicket keeping has been awful and doesn't seem to be getting better. However unfortunately looks like the best wicketkeeper we have. The fact he averaged well with the bat in this series IMO has put him back in captaincy debate. Though still would rather he improve his keeping, but realistically don't think he's going to get any better.

Not really. Those half centuries were completely useless to the team. Scored a 70 odd in the second innings of the last match when the game was already lost and scored a 50 odd in the first innings of the first match. Where he has required to stay on the field to help the team win or draw a game he went missing. We needed him to score in the 2nd innings of the 1st test. Had he scored a 50 odd there we could've won the game or had he stayed on in the 2nd innings of the 2nd test we may have drawn the game.

His keeping was absolutely horrific and the less we talk about it the better but his batting wasn't much to write home about either. His 50's were similar to YK scoring in the last game. He goes missing when needed.
 
Not really. Those half centuries were completely useless to the team. Scored a 70 odd in the second innings of the last match when the game was already lost and scored a 50 odd in the first innings of the first match. Where he has required to stay on the field to help the team win or draw a game he went missing. We needed him to score in the 2nd innings of the 1st test. Had he scored a 50 odd there we could've won the game or had he stayed on in the 2nd innings of the 2nd test we may have drawn the game.

His keeping was absolutely horrific and the less we talk about it the better but his batting wasn't much to write home about either. His 50's were similar to YK scoring in the last game. He goes missing when needed.

Then every innings was useless as we lost every match. In fact the only guy who scored runs upfront giving us a chance to win/draw was Azhar second test then. The first test, first inning 59 was a good innings as the rest of the them folded for 142. Again the 70 odd last game he scored when the rest mostly failed.

He also in fairness got quite a few really good deliveries. He didn't throw his wicket like YK or Misbah did this series. In the past yes he often does throw his wicket mindlessly, but this series I feel the times he got out, it was mostly good bowling.

Batting wasn't amazing, but it was decent, and definitely for a wicketkeeper. Just no other keeper gives the allround worth that Sarfraz does. Don't think anyone comes even close. The only two keepers who are thought to have any ability with the bat besides from Sarfraz are Rizwan and Kamran who are worse batsmen and worse keepers. And as I've said Adnan just isn't a perfect keeper, he's just merely a decent one.
 
Sarfaraz has been very poor this series.. a 73* in the final innings did little to salvage his reputation as a destructive force in the side... he's been ordinary specially facing pace bowling, he's looked clueless in front of Starc and his feet movement gets exposed to his in-dippers.

Not to forget his missed stumpings in the final game
 
Actually makes Wade look like a half decent keeper which is an amazing achievement in itself
 
Sarfraz has been hot and cold with his keeping. Definitely made things a lot harder for Yasir this series. Missed a fair few chances off his bowling. Younis Khan too dropped a few behind the wicket.
 
Primary job of the keeper is to be excellent with the gloves and even convert half chances, it is a specialist position. The primary job of the keeper is to ensure NO catch/stumping is missed. The missed chances many times prove costly and demoralize the bowlers.

Is there is none better than Sarfaraz as a pure keeper in Pakistan? I was hearing earlier to bring in Kami for ODIs, so no one better in Pakistan?
 
It's the chances missed and the deflating effect on the bowlers which I see as a big negative for the team, and it's not like he's making up for it with match-defining innings in any series.

I'd keep him (pun!) for another series or two as he does have talent but he'll need to do one of these to continue in my opinion:

a) reduce the error rate, missing an average of more than 1 chance a test really is unforgivable in a keeper (unless they bat like a Gilchrist)

b) start converting to some bigger scores.
 
Keeping has been pathetic. batting has been useless because it came at the time when there was no pressure. Doesn't seem like he has skills to survive underpressure and perform.
 
Don't let his stats fool you, he's been god awful this series. Garbage keeping and could't keep himself from slashing at any single frigging delivery.

Not really. Those half centuries were completely useless to the team. Scored a 70 odd in the second innings of the last match when the game was already lost and scored a 50 odd in the first innings of the first match. Where he has required to stay on the field to help the team win or draw a game he went missing. We needed him to score in the 2nd innings of the 1st test. Had he scored a 50 odd there we could've won the game or had he stayed on in the 2nd innings of the 2nd test we may have drawn the game.

His keeping was absolutely horrific and the less we talk about it the better but his batting wasn't much to write home about either. His 50's were similar to YK scoring in the last game. He goes missing when needed.

Sarfaraz has been very poor this series.. a 73* in the final innings did little to salvage his reputation as a destructive force in the side... he's been ordinary specially facing pace bowling, he's looked clueless in front of Starc and his feet movement gets exposed to his in-dippers.

Not to forget his missed stumpings in the final game

Keeping has been pathetic. batting has been useless because it came at the time when there was no pressure. Doesn't seem like he has skills to survive underpressure and perform.

Cricket needs a new yardstick for stats called "impact quotient".

Its high time ICC creates some formula for it cos averages can be terribly misleading in short sample sets. For some, even in big sample sets.

I will give you an example.

Rahane averaged 30s in the England tour and 50s in the India-SA series played on rank turners.

On first glance, it would look like he couldn't deal with English conditions but was a champ in the spin conditions.

Reality however was 180 degrees opposite. He was COMFORTABLY the worst batsman from India in that Indo SA series and the BEST batsman from India during the Eng series.

When India-SA it was alive, he averaged teens in those tough tracks. Then followed it with a good century on a normal track in the final test and then followed that by a stat boosting 100 in the 2nd innings where we were looking to declare. But end average was 50 while the real performers Vijay and Pujara (who enabled India to win the series) averaged much less.

However in the England series, he played a knock that would be talked about for decades and followed it up with several knocks where he would look solid only for the team to crumble around him. He looked the best bat even though Vijay averaged 40 in that series. Now a case can be made that Rahane didn't make full use of his form in that series (which would be true) but what can't be questioned is his impact.

Now coming back to Sarfraz, he may average 50 but did ANYONE from Pakistan or Aus ever feel confident or threatened by him at any point during the series? No. He failed when it mattered and scored a few runs when all was said and done and remained not out. Classic case of stat boosting runs.

In this overseas cycle, I found the following bats to be impactful - I don't know about their stats.

England - Azhar Ali, Sami Aslam, Misbah, Asad Shafiq
NZ - Azhar Ali
Aus - Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq (to an extent)

The last time I felt Sarfraz was impactful was during Aus tour of UAE. After that, he has been blowing hot and cold. He did score a few impact runs in England (if I am not wrong) but overall, his impact has been pretty low series after series for a LONG time now.
 
Sarfraz has been really poor.

His keeping isn't great and he's not a good enough batsman. Struggles a lot against pace especially.
 
Keeping has been pathetic. batting has been useless because it came at the time when there was no pressure. Doesn't seem like he has skills to survive underpressure and perform.

So the solution is to bring back kami bhai then?:afridi1
 
So the solution is to bring back kami bhai then?:afridi1

tests no. I don't think so. kamran is too old for tests and just like Sarfi he is also vulnerable in the longer formats. I think we need some one who is very good in the primary job i.e keeping. We need a proper keeper,batting should be additional. Pakistan heavily relies on bowling to win matches and now we don't even have bowlers to give so many back to back chances so there is no way we can afford missing chances every innings.

but I believe Kamran is still the best LOI opener and should be in the team on merit especially the way he has performed in the last 4 years in the domestic cricket. but there is no merit nor any accountability in Pakistan cricket..hence what crimes Kamran did may not be seen on Sarfraz hands and he may still get to ride his luck with those meaningless 50s he has been putting on once in a while.
 
But h'es a busy cricketer. a fighter, an aggressive batsmen, street smart.....that's all the commies say every series yet i don't see him do much
 
Keeping yes, he has to be blamed. Batting no, he was better than most. However, we don't have any replacement really. Rizwan would have done worse. Adnan Akmal would not have crossed 30. He was actually overperforming when he averaged 24 in tests. And let's not talk about Kami.
 
The biggest reason Sarfraz has escaped the criticism he deserves is because the critics have bigger fish to pick on. He has been below average with the gloves and with the bat. Asad despite averaging 40 compared to Sarfraz's 56 has been twice the batsman this series. Sarfraz needs to get his act together.

The problem is that his contenders are Rizwan and Adnan Akmal both of whom are inferior batsmen. Adnan is marginally better with the gloves whereas Rizwan is quite terrible. Apart from that years of Kamran Akmal has numbed us to the extent that Sarfraz's terrible keeping seems OK to some of us.

Another possible reason is the fact that the Karachi media has had Sarfraz's back for quite a while now so they aren't laying into him the way they would had he been from some other part of the country.
 
I think all the captaincy talk is getting to his head and he is now getting complacent.
It's been a long while since we have found a wicket keeper batsman worth investing in. A performing Sarfraz can do wonders for the team and will add dimension to our Xi which we have been missing. For this to happen though management needs to sit down with him and make it clear that he needs to work on his primary role in order to have a long and successful career. A specialist coach should also be appointed to work with him for atleast the next 3 years. Leading him on for captaincy is the wrong way to groom him.
 
He's a rubbish keeper,but a decent batsman,can get you some runs.He probably cost us the Gabba test when he dropped Smiths catch.
 
A keeper who can't do his primary job is a huge liability irrespective of the runs he scores with the bat. It was the main reason why i wanted Kamran Akmal dropped and if Sarfaraz shows the same problems, he deserves to be dropped as well.
 
The biggest reason Sarfraz has escaped the criticism he deserves is because the critics have bigger fish to pick on. He has been below average with the gloves and with the bat. Asad despite averaging 40 compared to Sarfraz's 56 has been twice the batsman this series. Sarfraz needs to get his act together.

The problem is that his contenders are Rizwan and Adnan Akmal both of whom are inferior batsmen. Adnan is marginally better with the gloves whereas Rizwan is quite terrible. Apart from that years of Kamran Akmal has numbed us to the extent that Sarfraz's terrible keeping seems OK to some of us.

Another possible reason is the fact that the Karachi media has had Sarfraz's back for quite a while now so they aren't laying into him the way they would had he been from some other part of the country.

Asad has not been twice the batsman at all, every time when the real pressure was on, Asad went missing. Sarfaraz is the better pressure player while granted his keeping is average at the moment.
 
His keeping has got to be improved, he did okay with the bat. Just needs to stop throwing his wicket away.
 
But h'es a busy cricketer. a fighter, an aggressive batsmen, street smart.....that's all the commies say every series yet i don't see him do much

I actually agree that he IS all that, I think he has a few positives as a player-
as a batsman he reminds me of a 21st century Ian Healy type batsman, not always pretty but often chipped in with runs, kept the scoreboard ticking somehow but wasn't a match winner with the bat, nor was he expected to be. Just a guy who would give his best when required.

Difference is Healy was a top class keeper, 99% of matches (ok, a nonsense stat but Healy missed so rarely you actually remember them years later). I have seen top-class keeping from Sarfraz, some really sharp stuff but it seems he's only good in 75% of matches. Not quite good enough at either discipline unless he gains some consistency.

PS. whatever happened to Zulq Haider?
 
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Another stumping missed just now.

Dropped Watson the other day also.

Not impressed with his wicket-keeping.
 
Sarfaraz Ahmed is trying to directly contradict everyone who tried to support his captaincy and his claims as a keeper...

This is nothing, he is in for a tough ride at International level if he carries on like this
 
He has pressure and he needs to get over it soon.
 
Sarfaraz Ahmed is trying to directly contradict everyone who tried to support his captaincy and his claims as a keeper...

This is nothing, he is in for a tough ride at International level if he carries on like this

Can't believe I was his biggest supporter on this forum.

But neutral fans should realize and accept when a player has regressed and becomes a liability. [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

He keeps on piling up weight, wicket keeping is poor now, can't hit and attack esp pacers. With other similar accunulators around him, I'm not sure how long we can persist with him in LOIs.

THIS is the reason why everyone will be regretting he's made LOI captain and calling for his head after 2 years.
 
Can't believe I was his biggest supporter on this forum.

But neutral fans should realize and accept when a player has regressed and becomes a liability. [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

He keeps on piling up weight, wicket keeping is poor now, can't hit and attack esp pacers. With other similar accunulators around him, I'm not sure how long we can persist with him in LOIs.

THIS is the reason why everyone will be regretting he's made LOI captain and calling for his head after 2 years.

That's the story with every Pakistani Limited overs captain to date.. Even Imran Khan was not spared the scrutiny..

(Not saying Sarfaraz is Imran Khan or anything)

Baby steps right now... but he has a big litmus test against Lahore today as a chasing side
 
Sarfraz Ahmed's keeping against spin bowling

Wonderful keeping by this guy.

I think he gets bashed for his keeping, but he done very well in this test against spin bowling

The hetmyer catch was just wonderful
 
Has definitely improved his keeping against spinners. Well done Sarfaraz!
 
The most visible thing in his approach has been that he's moving much more nimbly than 6-8 months ago and that is clearly due to the fact that he's lost a good amount of weight during the last half a year.

For a keeper to be efficient he needs to be nimble footed and his body should be light so that he can dive around and move swiftly. The demise of Kami started when he lost focus on fitness and became a pot belly hack who couldn't hold on to catches to save his life.

I am happy that Sarfaraz isn't going the same route and keeps his head in check even though he's bound to become captain for all the three formats pretty soon.
 
He has been excellent behind the stumps in 2017.

Keeping -> good
Captaincy -> v.good
Batting -> ok

One thing i want from him is to construct his test innings better and move to no.4 in odis.
 
It's a hard life being a keeper, you do your job well 9 times out of 10 but people remember you for the tenth time much more than they remember you for the other 9 times.
 
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