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Sarfraz Ahmed should not be our Test captain!

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He is good only for the shortest format of the game , his poor captaincy against india has removed all my doubts about him. On top of his cluelessness as a captain he is hardly presentable at press conferences and at tosses. If we are going with clueless why not go with a young guy , why not babar azam? I wont mind if a short stint is given to malik in odis.
 
He is good only for the shortest format of the game , his poor captaincy against india has removed all my doubts about him. On top of his cluelessness as a captain he is hardly presentable at press conferences and at tosses. If we are going with clueless why not go with a young guy , why not babar azam? I wont mind if a short stint is given to malik in odis.


Azhar, Sarfraz & Babar Azam are not Caltaincy material.



Ok Let's be straight.


Two Ex Super Stars who were Match Fixers lead Pak Test and Odi Team pre and post Match Fixing.


Two Ex Stars & one being one of the best Batsman we produced were Match Fixers pre and Post Captaincy. Did Match & Spot fixing in ICL too.


References ? ?

1. Malik Qayuum report, Amir Sohail, Basit, Rashid, Aqib's statements over the years.

2. Miandad's reports to PCB aswell as media statements about a Test Captain while He was Coach.


3. Mohammad Ilyas & Salim Altaf's leaked phone call available on Youtube.


So Salman butt Spot fixer is a lesser Sinner/Criminal who got 5 years punishment too unlike the Super Stars and Stars of Past.



Moral Brigade: Don't quote or mention me. Rules are same for all Citizens including Sportsmen.
 
Azhar, Sarfraz & Babar Azam are not Caltaincy material.



Ok Let's be straight.


Two Ex Super Stars who were Match Fixers lead Pak Test and Odi Team pre and post Match Fixing.


Two Ex Stars & one being one of the best Batsman we produced were Match Fixers pre and Post Captaincy. Did Match & Spot fixing in ICL too.


References ? ?

1. Malik Qayuum report, Amir Sohail, Basit, Rashid, Aqib's statements over the years.

2. Miandad's reports to PCB aswell as media statements about a Test Captain while He was Coach.


3. Mohammad Ilyas & Salim Altaf's leaked phone call available on Youtube.


So Salman butt Spot fixer is a lesser Sinner/Criminal who got 5 years punishment too unlike the Super Stars and Stars of Past.



Moral Brigade: Don't quote or mention me. Rules are same for all Citizens including Sportsmen.

Too old. We need young guys and not the old ttfs
 
Too old. We need young guys and not the old ttfs


Younis & Misbah played until 43, 44.


There are fitness tests to determine fitness.


What were Azhar's Test numbers outside Asia when he was 25 ? And what were Salman's Test numbers outside Asia when He wad 25 ?

Today Azhar is our Best Test batsman. Was he TTF when he was 25 ?


Salman got banned at the age of 25. By that time He had played 17 Tests outside Asia.


Azhar played 16 Tests outside Asia by the time he was 29 years Old.


Don't forget that at 25 and 27 Batsnen aren't at same level wrt experience, maturity & performances.


Was Azhar and Salman's record Failure outside Asia in Test Cricket when they were 25 & 29 ?


Always look at Stats in Context & Circumstances.

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 

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sarfraz haters are starting one thread after another to crucify him

sarfraz is not to be blamed for anything, anybody who deserves the blame is mickey arthur and PCB management for not letting sarfraz do captaincy freely
 
sarfraz haters are starting one thread after another to crucify him

sarfraz is not to be blamed for anything, anybody who deserves the blame is mickey arthur and PCB management for not letting sarfraz do captaincy freely

Definitely deserves blame for his shoddy field placements and odd bowling changes.

Remaining blame should be shared.
 
Younis & Misbah played until 43, 44.


There are fitness tests to determine fitness.


What were Azhar's Test numbers outside Asia when he was 25 ? And what were Salman's Test numbers outside Asia when He wad 25 ?

Today Azhar is our Best Test batsman. Was he TTF when he was 25 ?


Salman got banned at the age of 25. By that time He had played 17 Tests outside Asia.


Azhar played 16 Tests outside Asia by the time he was 29 years Old.


Don't forget that at 25 and 27 Batsnen aren't at same level wrt experience, maturity & performances.


Was Azhar and Salman's record Failure outside Asia in Test Cricket when they were 25 & 29 ?


Always look at Stats in Context & Circumstances.


[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

But his major years are gone when he could have developed ( i dont rate him at all) but after 7 years in exile he is 32 and has poor numbers. Out of practice for so long and and all possibility be around 34 actually. Thanks , but no thanks.
 
sarfraz haters are starting one thread after another to crucify him

sarfraz is not to be blamed for anything, anybody who deserves the blame is mickey arthur and PCB management for not letting sarfraz do captaincy freely

Lol mickey didnt even know why hafeez didnt bowl and you talking about mickey not allowing sarfraz freedom. This is the lamest excuse possible.
 
Younis & Misbah played until 43, 44.


There are fitness tests to determine fitness.


What were Azhar's Test numbers outside Asia when he was 25 ? And what were Salman's Test numbers outside Asia when He wad 25 ?

Today Azhar is our Best Test batsman. Was he TTF when he was 25 ?


Salman got banned at the age of 25. By that time He had played 17 Tests outside Asia.


Azhar played 16 Tests outside Asia by the time he was 29 years Old.


Don't forget that at 25 and 27 Batsnen aren't at same level wrt experience, maturity & performances.


Was Azhar and Salman's record Failure outside Asia in Test Cricket when they were 25 & 29 ?


Always look at Stats in Context & Circumstances.


[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

off the topic but please eloborate coming fast bowling talent like ahmad bashir etc their strength and speed plus fitness level,,,,,i am interested..
 
Salman Butt will be step back. Sami Aslam and Azhar are ideal test openers. Test captaincy requires patience, technique, right combination, utilizing new/old ball, slip field and many other things. You need to be flexible and take the game session by session, Misbah though was defensive but calm and intelligent captain.

Sarfraz has nothing to be praised for as a captain.
 
Definitely deserves blame for his shoddy field placements and odd bowling changes.

Remaining blame should be shared.

i have already quoted the selection of imad wasim in the game as an 'attacking option' by mickey arthur, mickey, sarfraz cannot be blamed for team selection, strategies are already decided before the game, a captain just doesnt decide to open with spinner at the very beginning of the game.

you just need to read cricinfo article and comments by mickey
 
Lol mickey didnt even know why hafeez didnt bowl and you talking about mickey not allowing sarfraz freedom. This is the lamest excuse possible.

ask mickey if it was sarfraz's decision to drop sohail khan from the team in the first place and select wahab riaz
 
ask mickey if it was sarfraz's decision to drop sohail khan from the team in the first place and select wahab riaz


The decisions are taken backdoor. Ultimately its a decision of all concerned authorities. No professional will tell you or me that who said what ? Who demanded what ? So this query won't be answered wrt S Khan.
 
Salman Butt will be step back. Sami Aslam and Azhar are ideal test openers. Test captaincy requires patience, technique, right combination, utilizing new/old ball, slip field and many other things. You need to be flexible and take the game session by session, Misbah though was defensive but calm and intelligent captain.

Sarfraz has nothing to be praised for as a captain.


Discussion is about Captaincy not playing eleven. If you don't have a captain than you have to compromise.


Any Mike Brearley in domestic ? Not in my knowledge.
 
I am gonna make a prediction here. Sarfaraz will lose his place in the odi side after our tour to South Africa and the same could happen with his test place
 
Sarfaraz,mickey arthur and the management need to be blamed for this embarrasing defeat. The strategic decisions by the management and sarfaraz for inability to attack the indians by making poor choices right from the start Sarfaraz needs to pick his game up and start making his own decisions if he has to survive. He needs to reason with mickey arthur who undoubtedly is the one making strategic decisions.
I do still believe that there is no one else besides sarfaraz and with him we'll have to go. This will be harsh for him to be expected of giving results agaisnt the top 8. We got exposed and that is the reality. Our issues run much more deeper and axing captain after captain will not solve this. Our cricket is in decline, the political inteference for player inclusions, crap domestic structure etc they all contribute. What we saw is a summary of the whole system yesterday. No matter how much effort we put and no matter how much we blame it on sarfaraz and mickey. Our issues are deeper.
At this moment i can only see sarfaraz being an extremely easy scapegoat.
 
Lets be honest we all know what the outcome of our next match will be!!! We're only hurt coz we've consistently lost to india now.
If sarfaraz can manage to express himself freely, i hope he can use his street smartness.
Saying that he has to understand the dynamics very well. Out of the box doesnt mean giving your spinner BTW who doesnt spin to bowl 6 overs to start with. This pitch needs a 4 pacer strategy and obviously he'll have to drop imad for the remaining fixtures.
 
i have already quoted the selection of imad wasim in the game as an 'attacking option' by mickey arthur, mickey, sarfraz cannot be blamed for team selection, strategies are already decided before the game, a captain just doesnt decide to open with spinner at the very beginning of the game.

you just need to read cricinfo article and comments by mickey

Team management makes selections together. Until proven otherwise, Sarfraz deserves equal share of the blame.

Even if we're to believe Sarfraz was forced to open with Imad Wasim, he wasn't forced to use him for such an extended period. Captains have to adjust on the field and that has nothing to do with their coach. He wasn't able to make the right adjustments and paid the price.
 
Then Who? Tell me one player who has the capacity to stay in the Pakistan Team on merit, as technically player with safe place in the side is made captain. That wonder boy Babar Azam has also been exposed does'nt have the strike rate to match with international players from top 5, not a consistent oerformer against 9th, 1oth rank associate teams also. Shoaib Malik, Umar Akmal and Kamran Akmal are the ones guaranteed due to their political backing rather than merit. Political backing is also subjected to fail, if players get involved in other issues like fitness and disciplinary.
 
Team management makes selections together. Until proven otherwise, Sarfraz deserves equal share of the blame.

Even if we're to believe Sarfraz was forced to open with Imad Wasim, he wasn't forced to use him for such an extended period. Captains have to adjust on the field and that has nothing to do with their coach. He wasn't able to make the right adjustments and paid the price.

mickey arthur pre match press conference clearly states that he chose imad wasim as an attacking option so it makes sense that imad was opened as an attacking option

when it comes to hasan ali, he was considered too inexperienced to open

had it been junaid khan or sohail khan, they would have definitely opened

but as he states, planned was already prepared and sarfraz only executed the plan as scripted, he didnt change anything

for captain to execute his own plan, he needs to have 'his own' selection of players he can trust to deliver

cricinfo had already highlighted that sending such an inexperienced team at champions trophy was a very bad idea

all important questions need to be asked from selection committee and mickey arthur nothing else

people are just complaining since the players didnt played well, which all comes down to selection, sarfraz would be hailed as a hero if pakistan had restricted india and batted good enouh to win.

there was no right combination made before CT to begin with
 
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Someone like Sarfraz who has no personality and communication skills should be nowhere near captaincy, but the fact that he is the only viable candidate shows how much Pakistan cricket has fallen.
 
Someone like Sarfraz who has no personality and communication skills should be nowhere near captaincy, but the fact that he is the only viable candidate shows how much Pakistan cricket has fallen.

The viability of any player being quality or captaincy worthy is like a ship waiting to hit the shore of a tough series.
 
The viability of any player being quality or captaincy worthy is like a ship waiting to hit the shore of a tough series.

Yes, but you have got to pick the best of a terrible lot. Sarfraz is the only player who just about gets into the team in all formats. At this point, it's difficult to consider alternatives.
 
Yes, but you have got to pick the best of a terrible lot. Sarfraz is the only player who just about gets into the team in all formats. At this point, it's difficult to consider alternatives.

oh i am fine with that...as long you stick with him after the tough series.
 
We have Azhar two years that too after getting blanked by Bangladesh

Sarfraz should get at least another year
 
Sarfraz should not be captain, period. He shouldn't have anything to do with our limited over teams as a player too, he is not good enough for no.6, and there are better players for 3 ,4 and 5 (Babar, Haris, Malik).
 
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And who should be our captain? Sarfraz is the best available choice as captain and we have to live with it.

There are posters here who said Imad Wasim should be captain after Pak Cup and now saying he should be dropped. Thats the vision of Pak fans. You cant change captains after every match or series. Sarfraz should get a run till 2019 world cup in all formats and lets hope we build a future captain till that time.
 
We have Azhar two years that too after getting blanked by Bangladesh

Sarfraz should get at least another year

Surely, you know better than most that time is not the issue, its this generally timid approach that is cross generational. to me it matters little who captain pakistan. they are a sorry lot held back by some very mediocre senior players. what will make sarfaraz a here in my books if he gets rid of the 4 to 5 guys we have been bashing.
 
When will people realize captain and coach does not matter when your team is THIS bad!

First priority should be finding good young players. Once and only once you do that should you decide if you need to replace captain and/or coach.

You can make anyone captain right now. They're still not winning anything.
 
Sarfraz should seriously man up and boot mediocre players like Azhar, Shehzad, Hafeez, Wahab from the odi side. Need to take some bold steps after CT.
 
And who should be our captain? Sarfraz is the best available choice as captain and we have to live with it.

There are posters here who said Imad Wasim should be captain after Pak Cup and now saying he should be dropped. Thats the vision of Pak fans. You cant change captains after every match or series. Sarfraz should get a run till 2019 world cup in all formats and lets hope we build a future captain till that time.

And there was no match played by Imad Wasim between Pak cup final and yesterday's match. Such is the vision of Pak fans that they even beat PCB.
 
Typical Pakistan fans.

Lets replace A with B, then B with C, then go back to A and recycle. Oh, and the one not playing is always the best player.

The root cause is what needs to be fixed, which is management, board and the cricketing system in Pakistan. Unless that is done, nothing will change.

Good example is Kohli. He really doesn't seem like a good captain at all, I haven't seen anything standing out from him but because of their cricketing system they are able to always have good team and perform to their potential.
 
Sarfaraz tries hard to be street smart but not so good. Street smart captaincy is more suited for ODIs and not test
So he must not be test captain for Pakistan.
 
Surely, you know better than most that time is not the issue, its this generally timid approach that is cross generational. to me it matters little who captain pakistan. they are a sorry lot held back by some very mediocre senior players. what will make sarfaraz a here in my books if he gets rid of the 4 to 5 guys we have been bashing.

Only time will tell

This tournament was a right off for me the moment I realised the direction they were going with the selections
 
Extremely disappointed with Sarfraz - both his captaincy and batting has been terrible so far.

His captaincy in which he let WI chase 300+ score was as bad as Azhar's the day he let NZ win the game after 6 down for 80 something score.
 
His captaincy is worse than Azhar.

His captaincy *record*, in all the matches he has captained is superior to Azhar. Not that Azhar is any standard. But if we are to sack captains after one bad performance this will be a fun merry go round ride.
 
For tests get fawad Alam into the team and make him captain. He has experience and is the only option atm.
In odis and t20s give sarfraz a few more chances or else give captaincy to mohammad amir or shoaib malik .
 
Even before this match I felt that sarfraz should only be captain in limited overs and some1 like fawad alam should be made test captain. He had a bad day yesterday sarfraz but I still trust that he will learn and get better. I say give him captaincy till 2019 wc and if he succeeds he can continue, if not then make some1 else captain.
 
Should stick with him for a while. But he doesn't seem to be the MSD that his fans were championing him as. Interesting how they went into hiding on the threads that were critizing him.
 
Someone like Sarfraz who has no personality and communication skills should be nowhere near captaincy, but the fact that he is the only viable candidate shows how much Pakistan cricket has fallen.


If we are still not willing to be uniform in implementing rules, ethics & morals and want to make another Saleem Malik/Atta ur Rehman than we must look at the person we were grooming to be next Captain. Umar Amin.


Ok He is Soft but so what ? Isn't Kane Williamson a Soft character ?

U Amin has improved his fitness & performances quite abit.


But I won't forget couple of things :

1. News of World Video

2. Confession of knowing Yousuf bookie through league Cricket since 2014 (Sharjeel tribunal)


But allow me to say He will do better than Azhar & Sarfraz.
 
If we are still not willing to be uniform in implementing rules, ethics & morals and want to make another Saleem Malik/Atta ur Rehman than we must look at the person we were grooming to be next Captain. Umar Amin.


Ok He is Soft but so what ? Isn't Kane Williamson a Soft character ?

U Amin has improved his fitness & performances quite abit.


But I won't forget couple of things :

1. News of World Video

2. Confession of knowing Yousuf bookie through league Cricket since 2014 (Sharjeel tribunal)


But allow me to say He will do better than Azhar & Sarfraz.

Amin first needs to prove his credentials as an international player. His mentality is doubtful already, and I have no hope that he can sustain the pressure of captaincy especially when has not established himself as a player. The only similarities between him and Williamson are that both are human beings and play professional cricket. Apart from that, Williamson is a great in the making and was already an established world class performer before he got the captaincy.
 
Amin first needs to prove his credentials as an international player. His mentality is doubtful already, and I have no hope that he can sustain the pressure of captaincy especially when has not established himself as a player. The only similarities between him and Williamson are that both are human beings and play professional cricket. Apart from that, Williamson is a great in the making and was already an established world class performer before he got the captaincy.


England earmarked Root, NZ earmarked Williamson as Future Test Captains when they were playing Under 19 Cricket. They haven't even started playing Int Cricket than.


We also tried to do the same with Umar Amin.


He smacked a 267 runs Fc innings and scored around 800 runs 3-4 years ago and what did we do ? We picked him for Pakistan T20 team. Wow.
 
MS dhoni already had a good team made by ganguly, he was not given a weak team like pakistan

you have to do some planning before entering a team in champions trophy, pakistan had no planning what so ever in place.

you only make sarfraz captain in one day of westindies whereas waste azhar ali as cptin in all important series including england, australia, newzealand etc

it is very unfair to judge sarfraz's captaincy based on one match and specially mickey arthir and PCB not letting him freely do captaincy

PCB doesnt let free thinkers remain captain like what happened to younis khan is all infront of us

PCB doesnt like captain exerting themselves and if sarfraz ahmed cannot make this team better, no one ever will
 
I am gonna make a prediction here. Sarfaraz will lose his place in the odi side after our tour to South Africa and the same could happen with his test place

The predictions we made about Sarfraz are coming true lool.

What I said during the West Indies tour, that these same guys, who are huge Sarfraz fans will be calling for his as soon as the team starts playing against any half decent side.

The Sarfraz, Malik, Hafeez etc. fan club always is short sighted whenever they win against Zimbabwe, West Indies or Bangladesh.
 
MS dhoni already had a good team made by ganguly, he was not given a weak team like pakistan

you have to do some planning before entering a team in champions trophy, pakistan had no planning what so ever in place.

you only make sarfraz captain in one day of westindies whereas waste azhar ali as cptin in all important series including england, australia, newzealand etc

it is very unfair to judge sarfraz's captaincy based on one match and specially mickey arthir and PCB not letting him freely do captaincy

PCB doesnt let free thinkers remain captain like what happened to younis khan is all infront of us

PCB doesnt like captain exerting themselves and if sarfraz ahmed cannot make this team better, no one ever will

Sure, the only difference between Dhoni and Sarfraz is that the former was not given a weak team. Very deep analysis. As far as the 'free thinking' captain is concerned, he lost the dressing room within 9 months of taking over, and the players ended up taking an oath against him in Inzamam's house.
 
nobody has any answer as to why sohail khan was dropped and wahab was selected in the match against India

to be honest people are looking for some guy to be crucified and sarfraz is their best choice since many people hate sarfraz ahmed to the core even before he became the captain

nobody is asking the right questions which can make the team better

they are just displaying their egoes here and nothing else to make the team better

they are clueless about who will take over captaincy if not sarfraz, clueless about how to solve this problem

sarfraz has all the credentials to lead the team there is no question about that, we need to ask the right questions about management failure and poor selection and dictatorship of mickey not letting captains thrive
 
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nobody has any answer as to why sohail khan was dropped and wahab was selected in the match against India

to be honest people are looking for some guy to be crucified and sarfraz is their best choice since many people hate sarfraz ahmed to the core even before he became the captain

nobody is asking the right questions which can make the team better

they are just displaying their egoes here and nothing else to make the team better

sarfraz has all the credentials to lead the team there is no question about that, we need to ask the right questions about management failure and poor selection

Sarfraz has problems too.
Few are:
Team selection
Batting order
Yes man to seniors

Needs to work on these things.
 
Sure, the only difference between Dhoni and Sarfraz is that the former was not given a weak team. Very deep analysis. As far as the 'free thinking' captain is concerned, he lost the dressing room within 9 months of taking over, and the players ended up taking an oath against him in Inzamam's house.

im not comparing MS Doni only replying to the guy comparing sarfraz with MS Dhoni

sarfraz was no an automatic choice for PCB honestly and thats why was removed from vice captaincy to make azhar ali captain

PCB had pressure of making sarfraz captain due to his PSL performance
 
Sarfraz has problems too.
Few are:
Team selection
Batting order
Yes man to seniors

Needs to work on these things.

sarfraz will have to become bold and make his own decisions and voice his own opinions rather playing second fiddle to selectors/mickey arthur

and i find it very difficult until mickey arthur is at helm of the affairs, this guy has been totally exposed during karachi kings match when he shouted at sohail khan.

mickey has become very notorious guy and putting all negative pressure on the team should be fired immediately after CT
 
He is good only for the shortest format of the game , his poor captaincy against india has removed all my doubts about him. On top of his cluelessness as a captain he is hardly presentable at press conferences and at tosses. If we are going with clueless why not go with a young guy , why not babar azam? I wont mind if a short stint is given to malik in odis.

I dont think he's clueless. His captaincy was pretty decent in my opinion. There's not much he can do when his bowlers are bowling rubbish and can't figure out a way to keep the pressure on. Give Malik a short stint? I think you're just too impulsive in your mind.
 
Changing the captaincy is not going to change this team.

Malik is already a TTF in captaincy, it won't be long before people start screaming for Malik to be sacked.
 
I think Sarfraz will be just fine and doesn't need lectures on tactics from armchair Stephen Flemings on PP.
 
yes, Azhar should be made Test captain.. its about time we started seeing spread out fields regularly in test matches
 
Mushfiq is a better captain than Azhar and Misbah (ODIs), but if he is leading your team then you have to wonder the direction the team is heading in. He doesn't have the profile to lead a top team, and he doesn't live up to the standards Pakistani captains have set in the distant past.
 
Mushfiq is a better captain than Azhar and Misbah (ODIs), but if he is leading your team then you have to wonder the direction the team is heading in. He doesn't have the profile to lead a top team, and he doesn't live up to the standards Pakistani captains have set in the distant past.

For the next few years he is easily the best option. Better than anyone we've had since Wasim
 
Mushfiq is a better captain than Azhar and Misbah (ODIs), but if he is leading your team then you have to wonder the direction the team is heading in. He doesn't have the profile to lead a top team, and he doesn't live up to the standards Pakistani captains have set in the distant past.

He needs to take a stand against Deadwood seniors.
 
I never thought a change in captain can bring about a change in the team's fortunes... but Sarfraz does have a midas touch about his captaincy, whatever he touches turns to gold..


Brings in Junaid and Amir and they turned the match on its head.

No one liked Imad Wasim in the side after his performance against India, but he got the trump cards of SA AB devillers and turned the game on its head
 
I never thought a change in captain can bring about a change in the team's fortunes... but Sarfraz does have a midas touch about his captaincy, whatever he touches turns to gold..


Brings in Junaid and Amir and they turned the match on its head.

No one liked Imad Wasim in the side after his performance against India, but he got the trump cards of SA AB devillers and turned the game on its head

He is the best captain in Pakistan and if you dont have an agenda it is very clear to see. Best is a relative term here and he is far better than his contemporaries. Only one whocomes close to him in Pakistan as far as captaincy is concerned is Zohaib Khan of Peshawar.

But no lets make Fakhar, Umar Amin , Imad , Hafeez, Amir, Azhar the captain.
 
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