Say goodbye to Pakistan India series if the law-suits replace on-field battles!

[MenInG]

I am sure many of our resident hotheads are relishing a showdown in courts but think of this.

Unless the courts (not sure which ones will have any jurisdiction) do rule in favour of one, then what are the chances of any of these teams ever wanting to play each other again?

The matter will soon move from cricket to politics once the opening arguments are heard then sport will take a back-seat for good.

Both sides need to think carefully.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The problem is which court can direct the Govt of a Sovereign Nation?Anyone?

PCB is suing in London AFAIK.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

We'll have some legendary patriotism battles on threads though.

"Pfft please, everybody knows India's legal team will never reach the speed of ours due to them not eating beef"

"Oh yeah! Well our main defense attorney represented Colonel H. Sharma in a court martial and got all charges overturned!"

"Probably got court martialled for actions in IO Kashmir!"

"Kashmir belongs to us and will never change, your legal teams defence of this suit is atrocious and you've recalled Kamran Akmal to the witness box for no reason whatsoever!"

Some fascinating lawyer vs lawyer comparison threads to be made

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

honestly i dont want any indo pak match.
with this pak team never.
unless pak improves overnight and start playing modern day cricket.

 

[Shafi]

Instead of playing mockery of only ICC tourney its better both we don't play with them at all.

 

[Ph_11]

This will happen in London.

This is pushed by Pakistanis living in London.

This has Ehsan Mani written all over it.

This will be the final nail in the coffin.

 

[Junaids]

I disagree.

The BCCI is clearly dependent on ICC handouts due to its out-of-control spending.

But if the PCB wins a lawsuit - and the sum of $200 million is being thrown about - then the ICC would have to deduct that from the BCCI's handout.

Given that the ICC has just voted to reduce the BCCI's handout down to $293 million in this 8 year cycle, the BCCI could easily find itself getting less ICC money even than Zimbabwe Cricket (which is due to get $94 million).

I don't think that the BCCI is capable of adapting its spending to its income. They would probably have to schedule series against Pakistan because they would need the cash.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This will happen in London.

This is pushed by Pakistanis living in London.

This has Ehsan Mani written all over it.

This will be the final nail in the coffin.

I want to see what the court has to say to the govt of India.And how will they enforce their judgement.

 

[Zahid87]

I disagree.

The BCCI is clearly dependent on ICC handouts due to its out-of-control spending.

But if the PCB wins a lawsuit - and the sum of $200 million is being thrown about - then the ICC would have to deduct that from the BCCI's handout.

Given that the ICC has just voted to reduce the BCCI's handout down to $293 million in this 8 year cycle, the BCCI could easily find itself getting less ICC money even than Zimbabwe Cricket (which is due to get $94 million).

I don't think that the BCCI is capable of adapting its spending to its income. They would probably have to schedule series against Pakistan because they would need the cash.

Sorry, please explain your idea of handouts? When did the ICC start giving handouts out?

Please understand that a handout is different to a share of income which you are legally entitled to. I know this is very exciting for you, but calm down a bit.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Would't happen anyway. They must honor their agreements or pay out.

 

[big_gamer007]

We'll have some legendary patriotism battles on threads though.

"Pfft please, everybody knows India's legal team will never reach the speed of ours due to them not eating beef"

"Oh yeah! Well our main defense attorney represented Colonel H. Sharma in a court martial and got all charges overturned!"

"Probably got court martialled for actions in IO Kashmir!"

"Kashmir belongs to us and will never change, your legal teams defence of this suit is atrocious and you've recalled Kamran Akmal to the witness box for no reason whatsoever!"

Some fascinating lawyer vs lawyer comparison threads to be made

Hahaha fun times ahead on PP can't wait for these threads..

 

[90MPH]

Goodbye to what exactly ?

It's been 10 years since the last time India played a full series.

I'm done with them and so are most Pak fans I know.

The only issue here is the BCCI decided to sign a MOU document a few years ago. Since they decided Not to honour the pledge then the PCB have the right to be legally compensated.

 

[jagatk]

Where exactly is pcb suing india, only real forum they have is CAS, but even with CAS both sides need to agree to go to CAS, one sided case won't work as bcci won't recognise CAS's jurisprudence and CAS won't interfere without both sides coming together, from what i have read they want to go english courts which is beyond me as neither bcci nor pcb are english bodies nor is the issue in concern have anything to do with england, the most hilarious one is ICJ, someone needs to tell pcb it for serious business not for solving petty cricket board issues.

 

[Junaids]

Sorry, please explain your idea of handouts? When did the ICC start giving handouts out?

Please understand that a handout is different to a share of income which you are legally entitled to. I know this is very exciting for you, but calm down a bit.

They are handouts.

In sport, a national federation or board doesn't get a kickback of a percentage of the money that its nation's TV stations pay the world governing body for TV rights.

FIFA doesn't give the English FA a share of the $1 billion that British TV pays for World Cup rights.

The IOC doesn't give US Track and Field a share of the $2 billion that NBC pays for the rights for the summer and winter Olympics.

But the BCCI is desperate for an undeservedly large handout from the ICC because it spends more money than it earns and it can't survive without handouts.

 

[big_gamer007]

Not like the series was happening anytime soon anyways..

 

[Zahid87]

They are handouts.

In sport, a national federation or board doesn't get a kickback of a percentage of the money that its nation's TV stations pay the world governing body for TV rights.

FIFA doesn't give the English FA a share of the $1 billion that British TV pays for World Cup rights.

The IOC doesn't give US Track and Field a share of the $2 billion that NBC pays for the rights for the summer and winter Olympics.

But the BCCI is desperate for an undeservedly large handout from the ICC because it spends more money than it earns and it can't survive without handouts.

Sport is not a generalised business. The way the ICC is structured entitles its members to a share of revenue. It would be grossly unjust to each and every member to refer to that legally entitled share of revenue as a 'handout', when the word itself has an entirely different connotation altogether.

Would a partner of a firm, upon recieving his share of a firm's profit, having bought in and contributed to the firm's revenue, refer to his salary as a handout?

You know precisely what you are doing, chosing your words and twisting them to suit a narrative which your are peddling. Like I said, I know this is exciting for you, and you have created a whole thread for it. Please keep your nonsense on this topic limited to that thread, and do not ruin other ones.

I almost wish Pakistan were touring Australia again. Maybe that would keep you distracted.

 

[Monsee]

Goodbye to what exactly ?

It's been 10 years since the last time India played a full series.

I'm done with them and so are most Pak fans I know.

The only issue here is the BCCI decided to sign a MOU document a few years ago. Since they decided Not to honour the pledge then the PCB have the right to be legally compensated.

Exactly!!!

Indian trolls can huff and puff all they want, India will have to explain why they signed a contract without first taking the Indian govt in to confidence on the matter; sometimes you are too smart for your own good, this is the time when BCCI found it out that they are it

 

[JibranAnsari]

Its been 10 years already .. Another 10 can go like this.

Pakistan india played cricket 2 3 years after kargil war so you cant really say that cricket between these countries wont happen again , but if its does there is nothing to worry

 

[sshakir411]

Well, we can't sit around and wait for India to play us when THEY find it convenient. The Big 3 model has been trashed and hopefully no cricketing nation has to rely on a series with India for financial stability. Pakistan has chased India's carrot for too long and finally figured out that snakes don't keep their word. Pakistan should pursue all legal avenues it can and worry about an India series when the hissy government is ready to resume bilateral relations.

 

[zn426]

I want to see what the court has to say to the govt of India.And how will they enforce their judgement.

I seem to be replying to you a lot.

I'll make it nice and easy for you. Do you think all of BCCI's accounts are located in india? Do you think all of their financial assets are in India? I doubt it.
All the court has to do is enforce a claim against Indian assets in the UK. Given that London is a major financial center, I'm sure the BCCI (and government of India as well) keeps accounts there. They do not need to go after assets in India to enforce a judgment.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

PCB should keep going forward in this matter without looking back and speculating any future. Anyhow India is not going to play with Pakistan. If PCB wins the law suit they will get the compensation, if not then at least you sent a message to INDIA that false promises are not tolerated.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Good

India is not playing against Pakistan anyways so there are no negative consequences

 

[Arsalan Pro]

They weren't going to play with us anyways.

 

[Junaids]

I seem to be replying to you a lot.

I'll make it nice and easy for you. Do you think all of BCCI's accounts are located in india? Do you think all of their financial assets are in India? I doubt it.
All the court has to do is enforce a claim against Indian assets in the UK. Given that London is a major financial center, I'm sure the BCCI (and government of India as well) keeps accounts there. They do not need to go after assets in India to enforce a judgment.

But it's more than that.

The BCCI has made it obvious these last 36 hours that it needs welfare payments in the form of ICC handouts to remain solvent.

The BCCI has overspent its way to the verge of bankruptcy. They can't pay their bills without ICC handouts.

So if the PCB wins a court case and the ICC redirects the BCCI welfare handouts to the PCB, they are in real trouble.

 

[Major]

i dont see how India could even lose this when they stated in the MOU that a tour could only happen once govt gives permission. Indian govt never gave permission.

 

[shravan]

i dont see how India could even lose this when they stated in the MOU that a tour could only happen once govt gives permission. Indian govt never gave permission.

This.Not a lot of people seem to grasp this fact.

 

[captain crook]

i dont see how India could even lose this when they stated in the MOU that a tour could only happen once govt gives permission. Indian govt never gave permission.

Indian government is headed by a stupid lunatic. Can Pakistan legally showcase this and move forward in case? Is there a possibility?

 

[Junaids]

This.Not a lot of people seem to grasp this fact.

Because

1. They failed to cancel the Pakistan tour.
2. They failed to notify the PCB that the GOI had not approved the series..

They did exactly what they had done to South Africa 12 months earlier. Keep them on tenterhooks for months by not finalising anything, then let them down.

It probably gave them a lot of pleasure not to reply to the PCB's registered letters.

But now it just looks negligent. The PCB wouldn't have a case at all were it not for the fact that the BCCI failed to advise them that the series was cancelled and that the GOI had blocked it.

It means that the PCB can demonstrate that they were left no way to schedule an alternative tour.

 

[captain crook]

Because

1. They failed to cancel the Pakistan tour.
2. They failed to notify the PCB that the GOI had not approved the series..

They did exactly what they had done to South Africa 12 months earlier. Keep them on tenterhooks for months by not finalising anything, then let them down.

It probably gave them a lot of pleasure not to reply to the PCB's registered letters.

But now it just looks negligent. The PCB wouldn't have a case at all were it not for the fact that the BCCI failed to advise them that the series was cancelled and that the GOI had blocked it.

Man, I love your posts. You also seem to have a good understanding and legal howabouts regarding this matter. Is there a possibility you can help the PCB clowns to pursue this matter please? I'm sure they can use a helping hand like yours!

 

[dildildalwalla]

I am sure many of our resident hotheads are relishing a showdown in courts but think of this.

Unless the courts (not sure which ones will have any jurisdiction) do rule in favour of one, then what are the chances of any of these teams ever wanting to play each other again?

The matter will soon move from cricket to politics once the opening arguments are heard then sport will take a back-seat for good.

Both sides need to think carefully.

The matter is already political, so there's no more danger of that and considering India refuse to tour, there is no issue here. If the pCB has a strong case, they should win. They already have a victory with the recent anti-big three movement.

 

[Junaids]

I am sure many of our resident hotheads are relishing a showdown in courts but think of this.

Unless the courts (not sure which ones will have any jurisdiction) do rule in favour of one, then what are the chances of any of these teams ever wanting to play each other again?

The matter will soon move from cricket to politics once the opening arguments are heard then sport will take a back-seat for good.

Both sides need to think carefully.

I don't think it will go to court.

It will get quietly settled behind closed doors.

If the PCB's case is unwinnable, this will all die down to nothing.

If the PCB does have a strong case (which requires A jurisdiction, B wrongdoing and C damages) then the BCCI will quietly do a deal. The BCCI is overspending far too badly to pay any real money, and such a deal would almost certainly actually be letting Pakistan be the host for a significant number of Pakistan v india matches.

So if you see a thaw in relations and some series being played, it means that the PCB had a winnable case.

And if you see nothing, it means that the PCB was going to lose the case.

 

[princeuk]

Goodbye to what exactly ?

It's been 10 years since the last time India played a full series.

I'm done with them and so are most Pak fans I know.

The only issue here is the BCCI decided to sign a MOU document a few years ago. Since they decided Not to honour the pledge then the PCB have the right to be legally compensated.

LOL, exactly. India has refused to play pakistan under any circumstances over the last decade and continues to make a mockery and excuses to the PCB but no, the Pakistanis must live in hope that BCCI will allow cricket when the situation is "normal". Why then is there trade between the 2 countries when cricket is not allowed.