Scott Hall/Razor Ramon dies

[PakLFC]

Scott Hall better known as Razor Ramon during his WWF days has died at the age of 63 after suffering three heart attacks in one night. At the peak of his career he won a few titles including the intercontinental title a few times. I don't know if he was ever crowned the WWF champ not that it would have mattered when the whole thing was and is stage managed. He moved to the then WCW before returning to WWE I believe.

I think he had severe drug problems leading to his rather early death.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/15/wwe-...-after-family-turn-off-life-support-16270903/

 

[PakLFC]

That ladder match with Shawn Michaels was just awesome.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Was saddened to hear about the passing of Scott Hall today. Seems it was inevitable given the news from the last few days but it was still very sad to hear.

Truly one of the most underrated workers in the business and a guy with endless levels of charisma. Though its impossible to look at his life without the personal battles he had, its also impossible to look past what he brought to the table. Inspired a generation of guys who are wrestlers today, made the ladder match what it is today, had whopper matches with Shawn, 123 Kid, Bret in WWF that people still talk about today, and was an integral part of arguably the greatest angle in the history of pro wrestling.

RIP Scott Hall.

Bad times don't last, but bad guys do.

 

[Saj]

63.

Wow didn't realise he was that old.

 

[James]

Rest in peace Razor.

 

[shaz619]

Was saddened to hear about the passing of Scott Hall today. Seems it was inevitable given the news from the last few days but it was still very sad to hear.

Truly one of the most underrated workers in the business and a guy with endless levels of charisma. Though its impossible to look at his life without the personal battles he had, its also impossible to look past what he brought to the table. Inspired a generation of guys who are wrestlers today, made the ladder match what it is today, had whopper matches with Shawn, 123 Kid, Bret in WWF that people still talk about today, and was an integral part of arguably the greatest angle in the history of pro wrestling.

RIP Scott Hall.

Bad times don't last, but bad guys do.

RIP to the bad guy, a pioneer of the industry with one hell of a portfolio. Arguably the best to never win the big one but he was a superstar, wouldn’t have shocked me if he won the title had he not jumped ship for the main event NWO run. Those ladder matches with Shawn still stand up decently today

 

[shaz619]

RIP to the bad guy, he struggled a fair bit during his time but did begin to turn a corner. One hell of a career and a memorable run

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

"Hey Yo" was one of my favorite catchphrases in wrestling, and Hall was one of my favorite wrestlers. RIP.

 

[PakLFC]

"Oozing machismo!" is what I will remember the Razor for!

 

[90MPH]

I remember him losing this match to a wrestler called the kid and it was a shocker at the time.

His intro song was also a memorable and he was def a character especially for us 90s wrestling fans. His finishing move was memorable as well.

RIP

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Was saddened to hear about the passing of Scott Hall today. Seems it was inevitable given the news from the last few days but it was still very sad to hear.

Truly one of the most underrated workers in the business and a guy with endless levels of charisma. Though its impossible to look at his life without the personal battles he had, its also impossible to look past what he brought to the table. Inspired a generation of guys who are wrestlers today, made the ladder match what it is today, had whopper matches with Shawn, 123 Kid, Bret in WWF that people still talk about today, and was an integral part of arguably the greatest angle in the history of pro wrestling.

RIP Scott Hall.

Bad times don't last, but bad guys do.

Razor's Edge has been one of my favorite maneuvers. His selling of Stunner at Mania 18 is second to The Rock's IMO.

 

[Firebat]

"Hard work pays off, dreams come true. Bad times don't last, but bad guys do."

A truly iconic quote from an iconic personality. RIP to the great man.

 

[PakLFC]

Though mostly a heel(villain) on the circuit he made it appear cool. Those were the days when the WWF was much better before it became the WWE. The likes of Bret, Hogan, Shawn, Razor, Macho Man, Ric Flair, Mr Perfect, Ultimate Warrior, Roddy Rowdy Piper and The Undertaker are names associated with the vintage days. I remember how the old WWF was a craze with kids collecting pics to fill in their catalogue.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

RIP to the bad guy, a pioneer of the industry with one hell of a portfolio. Arguably the best to never win the big one but he was a superstar, wouldn’t have shocked me if he won the title had he not jumped ship for the main event NWO run. Those ladder matches with Shawn still stand up decently today

Agreed. But then again, few things have impact the business quite like that nWo angle. It went badly sideways eventually but when it started out, it was incredible and unlike anything anyone had ever seen before. And it all began with Hall walking out of the crowd and into WCW.

Funnily enough his most underrated match for me is the Stun Gun Ladder Match with Goldberg...something that could have only happened in WCW. And something that ended up being a fair bit of fun.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Razor's Edge has been one of my favorite maneuvers. His selling of Stunner at Mania 18 is second to The Rock's IMO.

He was always a great worker so that didn't surprise me one bit. It was sad to see him regress the way he did in WCW---as well as later on in WWE due to his problems with addiction---but undeniably he has left an indelible mark on the industry.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He was always a great worker so that didn't surprise me one bit. It was sad to see him regress the way he did in WCW---as well as later on in WWE due to his problems with addiction---but undeniably he has left an indelible mark on the industry.

Definitely. I still remember watching Mania 18 live waking up at 5 in the morning on super sports. Still my favorite mania to date.

Addiction and politics hampered and harmed everyone in and out of the ring in the Kliq I guess apart from Trips who was always clean when it came to drugs.

Plus the great work DDP has done with his rehab and helping other wrestlers like Scott and Jake Roberts in terms of getting clean is extremely commendable. DDP is one guy I would always hate WWE for not treating right.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I remember him losing this match to a wrestler called the kid and it was a shocker at the time.

His intro song was also a memorable and he was def a character especially for us 90s wrestling fans. His finishing move was memorable as well.

RIP

I remember watching that match as a kid.

 

[sweep_shot]

He was one of my favorite wrestlers.

He was entertaining.

 

[Rana]

Very sad news

Him, Kevin Nash and Hollywood Hogan are easily the most iconic heels in wrestling history

 

[sweep_shot]

Very sad news

Him, Kevin Nash and Hollywood Hogan are easily the most iconic heels in wrestling history

New World Order. Yes.

I think they were much better than Evolution and even DX.

 

[James]

<b>Life and obituary: Scott “Razor Ramon” Hall, 1958-2023

‘Say Goodnight to the Bad Guy’</b>

Trained during the twilight of the territorial era of wrestling, Scott Hall got his big break in WWF doing a glorified Scarface impression—then transformed the entire sport after he took his talents to WCW.

Scott Hall died this week at age 63, having suffered multiple heart attacks after developing a blood clot issue after hip replacement surgery.

His death saddened wrestling fans who had followed him throughout his career, but it didn’t exactly come as a surprise—the hard-living “Attitude Era” pioneer had, by his own admission, cheated death multiple times during the previous four decades.

Along the way, his considerable talents ensured that, in his own words, he kept “falling forward,” first as a can’t-miss rising star in the American Wrestling Association who looked like a cross between Hulk Hogan and Magnum T.A.; then as the Scarface-inspired Razor Ramon working among the WWF’s “New Generation” of post-Hulkamania stars; and finally as part of the “Outsiders” tag team with fellow WWF alum Kevin Nash.

Nash’s departure with Hall from WWF for the greener financial pastures of WCW inaugurated the late-1990s promotional wars which many consider the sport’s golden age.

…

Full article, a good one for those interested, available at: https://www.theringer.com/platform/...5/scott-hall-razor-ramon-obituary-wwe-wcw-nwo

 

[Rana]

New World Order. Yes.

I think they were much better than Evolution and even DX.

DX is overrated because Vince bought WCW and with the influence of Paul Lavesque they naturally want to make their own product look superior in comparison to WCW’s product.

Evolution was actually very good, but I don’t think even Rick Flair and HHH would disagree that the original NWO (Hogan, Nash, Hall) were unmatchable. Too much charisma! That brief period in WCW when Bret Hart was close to retiring, Goldberg and Sting at their peak with NWO as the main heels is probably the greatest, briefest period in wrestling history.

The Rock, Stone Cold, Taker, Kane, Mankind, Kurt Angle, HHH period came 3-4 years later and that was WWE’s greatest era!

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Definitely. I still remember watching Mania 18 live waking up at 5 in the morning on super sports. Still my favorite mania to date.

Addiction and politics hampered and harmed everyone in and out of the ring in the Kliq I guess apart from Trips who was always clean when it came to drugs.

Plus the great work DDP has done with his rehab and helping other wrestlers like Scott and Jake Roberts in terms of getting clean is extremely commendable. DDP is one guy I would always hate WWE for not treating right.

When Hall went to DDP about a decade ago, many were saying he was essentially at death's door, and didn't expect him to live long. But credit to DDP who played a massive part in his rehabilitation. He still relapsed a few times after that, but was still able to live a better life after that. Jake aswell was in a similar situation when he went to DDP. And since then has completely turned his life around and been able to get clean aswell. All thanks to DDP. Top guy, this Dallas.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

DX is overrated because Vince bought WCW and with the influence of Paul Lavesque they naturally want to make their own product look superior in comparison to WCW’s product.

Evolution was actually very good, but I don’t think even Rick Flair and HHH would disagree that the original NWO (Hogan, Nash, Hall) were unmatchable. Too much charisma! That brief period in WCW when Bret Hart was close to retiring, Goldberg and Sting at their peak with NWO as the main heels is probably the greatest, briefest period in wrestling history.

The Rock, Stone Cold, Taker, Kane, Mankind, Kurt Angle, HHH period came 3-4 years later and that was WWE’s greatest era!

DX is so overrated. Their entire schtick was so juvenile and childish. It felt like something that was specifically aimed at immature adolescents and teenagers. nWo though were just cool. Probably the first ones who made it cool to be the bad guys.

And the original incarnation of the nWo (before they added every wrestler in WCW) is easily the best faction of all-time.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

DX is so overrated. Their entire schtick was so juvenile and childish. It felt like something that was specifically aimed at immature adolescents and teenagers. nWo though were just cool. Probably the first ones who made it cool to be the bad guys.

And the original incarnation of the nWo (before they added every wrestler in WCW) is easily the best faction of all-time.

The problem with DX was that their lineup changed so quickly. Shawn retired, Rude left and passed away and xpac and new age outlaws were added. It just made them look like something of a sort of nwo ripoff.
But nwo shot themselves in the foot on the other side in wcw thanks to hogan and russo.

DX resonated more with the kids and teens back then cause their shtick was sorta juvenile.

But putting everything aside, I think DX had one of the greatest entrances + themes (both the original one and the run dmc one) in pro wrestling.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The problem with DX was that their lineup changed so quickly. Shawn retired, Rude left and passed away and xpac and new age outlaws were added. It just made them look like something of a sort of nwo ripoff.
But nwo shot themselves in the foot on the other side in wcw thanks to hogan and russo.

DX resonated more with the kids and teens back then cause their shtick was sorta juvenile.

But putting everything aside, I think DX had one of the greatest entrances + themes (both the original one and the run dmc one) in pro wrestling.

I don't know I've just never been a fan. Even of the original line-up. And DX today seems like such a relic of the past. Their stuff has not aged well at all and feels like something that was just a product of the times, rather than something that stands the test of time.

nWo, The Four Horsemen, The Hart Foundation, Evolution, The Shield...these are factions whose stuff stands the test of time and will for years to come.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I don't know I've just never been a fan. Even of the original line-up. And DX today seems like such a relic of the past. Their stuff has not aged well at all and feels like something that was just a product of the times, rather than something that stands the test of time.

nWo, The Four Horsemen, The Hart Foundation, Evolution, The Shield...these are factions whose stuff stands the test of time and will for years to come.

DX didn't do much tbh. It just had 2 highly successful wrestlers in trips and hbk.

I find four horsemen overrated though. their lineup changed faster than big show's heel/face turns.

Think The Brood, New Day and The Dudleys(ECW faction) are pretty underrated.
And The Ministry of Darkness should have been a lot lot lot bigger deal if they hadn't butchered it by combining with the corporation and then hastily breaking it up.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

DX didn't do much tbh. It just had 2 highly successful wrestlers in trips and hbk.

I find four horsemen overrated though. their lineup changed faster than big show's heel/face turns.

Think The Brood, New Day and The Dudleys(ECW faction) are pretty underrated.
And The Ministry of Darkness should have been a lot lot lot bigger deal if they hadn't butchered it by combining with the corporation and then hastily breaking it up.

I'm talking about the original Four Horsemen from the NWA. Not the the other versions which were nothing like the original group and generally a farce. I mean they had Mongo in there towards the end who is arguably one of the worst wrestlers to have ever gotten in a wrestling ring. Honestly once they lost Tully the group was never the same because Tully and Arn were an awesome tag team....in many ways a pre-cursor to FTR.

Ugh I dunno if I agree. Ministry of Darkness, Brood too feel like such relics of the Attitude Era. Like I just can't see those gimmicks working today. Brood had probably one of the coolest entrance themes I have ever heard and was a great launching pad for Edge and Christian but I can't say I cared much for the faction beyond that. The Dudleyz were always more of a tag team for me, rather than a faction. I found the multiple family members schtick in ECW to be really stupid and unfunny. And I absolutely despise New Day because they for me, sum up the kids-friendly PG side of WWE. I've never found them funny and they are the reason why I have a hard time taking Big E or Kofi seriously.

The difference that stands out for me between the factions I mentioned and the ones you added is the level of seriousness with which they were presented. nWo (at the start), Horsemen, Evolution, Shield and Hart Foundation all took themselves seriously. They were pro-wrestlers out there to make money, win titles, beat people up or do all three of those things. They weren't out there making jokes, trying to be funny or pull of some stupid gimmick that you could never buy into. Infact the reason they were so good is because you bought into their personalities and their motivations not only made sense but were grounded in reality.

Heck, even Evolution were basically the modern day version of the Four Horsemen. And The Pinnacle in AEW seemed like a step in that direction too. Which just goes to show how timeless that gimmick is.

 

[PakLFC]

Very sad news

Him, Kevin Nash and Hollywood Hogan are easily the most iconic heels in wrestling history

No Ric Flair was the number one heel.

 

[Rana]

No Ric Flair was the number one heel.

Individually you can argue. So was HHH from 2000 onwards until DX returned for the final time, but in a faction NWO original trio was brilliant. They changed the game big time and threatened to put WWF out of business due to their work in WCW

 

[PakLFC]

Individually you can argue. So was HHH from 2000 onwards until DX returned for the final time, but in a faction NWO original trio was brilliant. They changed the game big time and threatened to put WWF out of business due to their work in WCW

Ric was from a different era. His longevity as a heel is unparalleled. Others are simply no way near him despite the NWO brand introduced much later.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

No Ric Flair was the number one heel.

Couldn't agree more. Ric is the GOAT.

Unfortunately people who started watching after the mid 90s will never truly appreciate what Ric was all about and why he was so successful unless they go back and watch everything he did in the NWA and WCW.

 

[Markhor]

Razor was the 2nd best worker in the Kliq, and the best worker in the NWO. Sold and bumped brilliantly for a big man, and had effortless charisma.

Very underrated mind too, and would've been a great coach had he stayed clean and sober. Sadly it appeared he had PTSD from a shooting incident where he killed a man in self-defence, and self-esteem issues which he tried to mask through drinking.

In a way it's miraculous he made it to 63 given the crazy partying that generation did. I've heard these shoot interview stories about how these guys would take 30 Somas (muscle relaxants) mixed with alcohol !

 

[PakLFC]

Couldn't agree more. Ric is the GOAT.

Unfortunately people who started watching after the mid 90s will never truly appreciate what Ric was all about and why he was so successful unless they go back and watch everything he did in the NWA and WCW.

Indeed Ric was awesome. Today's kids don't recognize his greatness or talent as a heel. It is like my generation can not fully appreciate the greatness of Muhammad Ali the fighter or Pele the footballer. It is understandable we all regard our generation as being the best.

 

[PakLFC]

One of the best matches I've ever seen was Ric Flair vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage at Wrestlemania 8. The Nature Boy was one helluva heel or should I say cheat! He lost that one after a great fight with everyone bloodied up.