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India captain Virat Kohli on Thursday said that Test cricket across the globe should be played with the England-made Duke balls, expressing his displeasure at the poor quality of the SG balls that India use at home.

“The Dukes ball, I think, is the most suited ball for Test cricket. If there’s a situation I would vouch for that to be used all over the world because of the consistency of the ball and how the bowlers are in the game at any stage, even the spinners, because the seam is so hard and upright,” Kohli said on the eve of the second Test against the West Indies.

Currently, there are no ICC specific guidelines and different countries use different balls. While India use their home-made ‘SG Test’ from early ‘90s (Sonnex was the ball before that) manufactured by Meerut-based Sanspareils Greenlands, England and West Indies use the UK’s Dukes with the most pronounced seam. Australia, Pakistan and Sri Lanka use the Kookaburra.

Before Kohli, senior off-spinner Ravichandran Ashwin has also spoken about how he felt better bowling with the Kookaburra than ‘SG Test’. Asked about Ashwin’s complaints about the quality, Kohli supported his lead spinner.

“I totally agree with him. To have a ball scuffed up in five overs is something that we haven’t seen before. The quality of the ball used to be quite high before and I don’t understand the reason why it has gone down.

“A Dukes ball is still good quality, Kookaburra is still good quality. Whatever limitations a Kookaburra might have (seam goes flat), the quality is never compromised,” Kohli explained.

“The seamers as well are benefitted if the ball is hard, you can get that extra pace but if the ball goes so soft in 10-12 overs, then your effort comes down by 20 per cent. I think the quality of the ball has to be maintained, there’s no doubt about that.

“Otherwise, you have too many dead sessions in a Test match, which you don’t want to see. You want to see exciting cricket and guys working hard for runs, being in the battle all day. I totally agree with Ash,” Kohli said.

Earlier, Ashwin, after the first Test, stated that SG balls are of sub-standard quality. “Right now, I would say Kookaburra red ball is a lot better ball, Dukes is also right up there. Pretty disappointed with the current SG ball. It used to be top-notch, the seam used to stand up strong even after 70-80 overs. It’s not the same anymore,” Ashwin had said.

Kookaburra balls are machine-made and have low seam, while the India-made SG balls are handmade and have a wide seam. Duke balls are manufactured in England and are handmade. They darker in colour compared to SG and Kookaburras due to the coating of lacquer


https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricke...ls-in-tests/story-j2hp8V0g0AFE8OUp1LU5DN.html


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The list comprising players who are not happy with the SG ball is getting longer. After the end of the first Test against the Windies, spinner Ravichandran Ashwin said the ball is "disappointing" and India captain Virat Kohli also said that he preferred the Dukes ball. Now, Umesh Yadav has come out and said that the SG ball doesn't help in the process of dismissing the opposition's lower-order. "If you are saying that lower order has scored runs, then you must realise that in India, with SG Test balls on these kinds of flat tracks, you neither get pace nor bounce. So the option to use variations ends," Umesh said at the post-match conference.

"So (with SG) all you can do is to bowl one spot but then you will realise that nothing is happening even off the pitch nor is it swinging. So when middle and lower order comes in they know that ball has become soft and it doesn't come at a pace and batting becomes easier," the fast bowler added.

Umesh ended the first day of the second Test against the Windies with figures of 3 for 83 from 23 overs.

"Tail-enders know that it will neither swing nor reverse. You just have to wait for something to happen and keep trying. But you can't really do it on such a big ground, the ones and twos keep coming. And West Indies' game is like that only," Umesh said.

"Had Shardul been there, it would have been more help for the spinners. Like I got three wickets and if he could have chipped in with a couple, it would have only helped our team. But you can't really do anything in these situations as this is part and parcel of the game.

"If he (Shardul) is not there, I will have to bowl his quota of overs too and I knew he was not going to come back. I didn't want negativity to creep inside me that we are now one bowler short," the Vidarbha pacer said.


https://sports.ndtv.com/india-vs-we...in-umesh-yadav-criticises-the-sg-ball-1931254
 
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Ashwin started it. So i don't know how this is a kohli cry child thing.


Talking about the ball used is not a new thing actually, i have seen this a lot of times with regards to players from various teams. Recently there was a comment about making Dukes the preferred one for test cricket around the world by ex ozzie player Ed Cowan. No eyebrows were raised then. The moment some Indian player talks about it, it becomes crying.

One one hand there was this constant chirping during Tendulkar's time of Indian players not talking too much. And this complete opposite opinion.

Btw, balls quality keeps changing with every year given with which lot of ball is being being used. This are just some minute changes but sometimes they do prove to be significant in the field .
 
Well the article does state that Kohli supported the assertion.

What I am more worried about is them to try to find an excuse every time they don't do well, instead of introspecting. There seem to be other contributing factors like lack of consistent line, length, field placings.

This is ok in India where they will eventually win, but wont work out in England, Australia etc.
 
Yes the quality of SG test ball is down. The seam used to be a wider and more pronounced. I wonder if the laquer and leather quality is an issue?
 
Yes the quality of SG test ball is down. The seam used to be a wider and more pronounced. I wonder if the laquer and leather quality is an issue?

It would be a shame if we replace the SG ball with the Dukes. The SG ball needs to up its game.
 
Yes the quality of SG test ball is down. The seam used to be a wider and more pronounced. I wonder if the laquer and leather quality is an issue?

Im not sure the SG ball quality is that bad now. I suspect that players may be paid to promote the other brands. I can understand kohli's support for Dukes ball but Ashwin supporting kookaburra ? How is kookaburra superior to SG in any way? In recent years, there are times when it has barely lasted a few overs. I suspect Kookaburra reached out to the likes of Ashwin ever since BCCI announced that they might try out white SG balls in ODIs as well. Kookaburra are simply liars at this point. They constantly claim that only their ball can last in conditions like Australia but when Australia used Dukes in Shield, the Duke ball s held up better than the kookaburra ones.
 
SG, Grays (used in PAK domestic), and Kookaburra are the worst balls.

Kookaburra is like a batsman's dream. Bowler's nightmare. Hell difficult to generate any seam movement or swing.


About time cricket adopted the Dukes ball.
 
Wasn’t SG the perfect ball for cricket in subcontinent once?

Most suited to early swing balling, soon and the best ball to prepare for reverse swing?

What happened? We’re we misguided?
 
SG, Grays (used in PAK domestic), and Kookaburra are the worst balls.

Kookaburra is like a batsman's dream. Bowler's nightmare. Hell difficult to generate any seam movement or swing.


About time cricket adopted the Dukes ball.

SG is generally a very good ball with pronounced seam. Its pretty good for the subcontinent as it offers conventional swing, spin and also reverse swing.

The problem is that the quality of the ball seems to have gone down off late. If SG can reverse it, then SG should remain the ball to be used in India.
 
Im not sure the SG ball quality is that bad now. I suspect that players may be paid to promote the other brands. I can understand kohli's support for Dukes ball but Ashwin supporting kookaburra ? How is kookaburra superior to SG in any way? In recent years, there are times when it has barely lasted a few overs. I suspect Kookaburra reached out to the likes of Ashwin ever since BCCI announced that they might try out white SG balls in ODIs as well. Kookaburra are simply liars at this point. They constantly claim that only their ball can last in conditions like Australia but when Australia used Dukes in Shield, the Duke ball s held up better than the kookaburra ones.

SG balls have had complaints for last 2 seasons.But last year BCCI used the SG white ball for domestic limited overs game and this year in march it was decided that the SG white will be used in LOIs that India plays at home. So Kookaburra may lose a big market. Now suddenly players endorsing the Kookaburra. So yes its fishy.
 
SG balls have had complaints for last 2 seasons.But last year BCCI used the SG white ball for domestic limited overs game and this year in march it was decided that the SG white will be used in LOIs that India plays at home. So Kookaburra may lose a big market. Now suddenly players endorsing the Kookaburra. So yes its fishy.

Hopefully we get to see the white SG ball in West indies ODI matches. I've heard it's better for bowlers.
 
Somebody check Ashwin's list of endorsement contracts please. He has got to be taking the ****, the idea that the kookaburra is a better ball for spin bowlers is garbage.
 
SG, Grays (used in PAK domestic), and Kookaburra are the worst balls.

Kookaburra is like a batsman's dream. Bowler's nightmare. Hell difficult to generate any seam movement or swing.


About time cricket adopted the Dukes ball.

Pakistan uses Dukes.
 
Even Oz don't really think the Kookaburra is a better ball. It's ok, it works but I wouldn't mind at all if all cricket switched to Dukes.
 
Even though SG is the perfectly suited ball for Ashwin , he is batting for Duke balls. Kinda wonder why. Kookaburra is the least helpful ball for him.
 
Pakistan uses Dukes.

Hmm, looks like they changed to Dukes in 2017 season. Was grays before that.

And not sure what ball are they using in 2018 season.


In domestics, I really wish they adopt the Kookaburra, because then you'll be better able to judge bowlers and their ability to move that ball...

In international, I'd prefer Dukes, easier for the bowlers there.
 
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