Shaan Shahid wants govt to celebrate local heroes instead of airing 'Dirilis: Ertugrul'

[Savak]

Shaan Shahid wants govt to celebrate local heroes instead of airing 'Dirilis: Ertugrul'

By Entertainment Desk

Published: May 4, 2020

Renowned actor Shaan Shahid is one to talk whenever any debate around patriotism or national narratives starts on social media. This time around the actor is unhappy with the airing of Turkish period drama Dirilis: Ertugrul on Pakistan Television (PTV).

The Waar actor took to social media and shared his thoughts on how the emphasis should be on producing and broadcasting local content instead of international re-runs. Shaan was responding to a tweet by Faisal Javed Khan, who shared how the Dirilis: Ertugrul is now available on YouTube.

“For those who have been asking for Ertugrul Urdu on Youtube – PTV (Pakistan) and TRT (Turkey) has come up with a joint Youtube channel – Here is the link to watch Ertugrul in Urdu,” The PTI leader wrote on Twitter.

To this, the Operation 021 actor responded, “Try to find our own history and its heroes.”

When a user said how Turkish history is part of Islamic history, which essentially makes it Pakistan’s history, Shaan replied, which loosely translated to, “If Islamic history is the same for everyone, then this show should have been dubbed in Arabic and aired in Saudi Arabia.”

Another user shared that the subcontinent’s history is filled with ‘philanderous Mughal kings”, and a lot of content has already been produced about the Partition. The user further added how it was important for the youth to learn Islamic history.

Shaan asserted,” That’s a good thing but for how long would we keep on working with borrowed content? PTV should produce epics like these. Where is the funding?”

One more user went on to question the actor and wrote, “Islamic history is our history. As for OUR dramas and movies. It is very disappointing to see none of our actors taking a stand against the vulgar, crappy, classless plays and movies they agree to do. Is it only Imran Khan’s responsibility to take a stand and demand better? What about you all?

Shaan had an answer to this query as well, “Well without the support of a govt policy we can’t create an infrastructure and without the infrastructure, the Pakistani film and TV producers will keep on making whatever gets them ratings.”

The actor went on to respond to a few more users before he started sharing profiles of legendary Pakistani artists. The actor had shared the same profiles last year under the hashtag #LetsBringOurPrideBack.

Shaan posted about the likes of Qavi Khan, Rahat Kazmi, Shehnaz Sheikh, Marina Khan, Uzma Gillani, Firdous Jamal, and others.

“These are the heroes of our nation, their stories must be told. And there are so many more that our history has not forgotten but the people have. We need to transfer our pride to our children our stories our successes,” he said.

The actor then shared a 2017 report by The Express Tribune on how the state-run channel had been suffering losses.

“No new plays, no new content, only huge losses this is a report from 2017 but nothing has changed it is in ruins, what a great legacy it had and what a dark present and future it holds. You can’t be successful in other’s success.”

Link: https://tribune.com.pk/story/221368...local-heroes-instead-airing-dirilis-ertugrul/

 

[Savak]

Shaan is not here for PTV and PTI endorsing Turkish content

MALIHA REHMAN

SENIOR FASHION WRITER


“I don’t have anything against Ertugrul,” actor Shaan Shahid tells me, “or against any production that is done well.”

His Twitter feed, however, has lately seemed to depict otherwise.

The veteran actor is often in the news because of his very opinionated tweets and this time around, he is unhappy that the government is supporting the airing of the Urdu-dubbed version of Turkish hit drama Erturgrul on PTV.

“I have never said anything against foreign content being aired on a privately aired channel,” continues Shaan.

“Some years ago, Turkish soaps Ishq-e-Mamnoon and Mera Sultan were such huge hits but they were being shown on private channels. But when a state-owned channel for which I pay taxes extends its support to foreign content – and furthermore, my government especially endorses it – I begin to lose hope.”

According to Shaan, his problems with the airing of foreign content have a lot to do with hope.

“This is an insecure time for the entire world and every working professional has certain hopes. Some of our hopes are the same: a lower foreign exchange rate, less inflation. But then, there are hopes that are unique to an industry.

Certain industries will feel hopeful if their government extends support to them by lowering taxes or providing them with aid. My industry similarly needs to feel hopeful. We need to feel like we aren’t just standing alone, paying our taxes but not being supported.”

“Why hasn’t the government ever tweeted on behalf of a local drama that was a hit? A local movie that did well? Even a small statement of encouragement can go a long way. Instead, they choose to tell Pakistani audiences to watch an international production. The government says that they want to reduce imports but what about cultural imports?”

“And if this drama does well, don’t you think that other similar dramas will also become popular? Even private channels will reduce their investment on local productions and bring in international hit dramas, dub them in Urdu and air them on our channels.”

Shaan suggests that PTV should instead make an effort towards creating stories around some of Pakistan’s heroes. This is a great idea except that right now, with the entire entertainment industry quarantined away at home, grandiose new productions really can’t be started off.

“And this reflects on PTV’s performance. They haven’t created any production in recent years that they can be proud of which is why they have to rely on foreign content during this lockdown. All that the state-owned channel gives us is the news. There hasn’t been any entertainment that has emerged from it in years!”

In this evident sad state of affairs, perhaps the government has decided to promote Ertugrul, with its religious roots, in order boost morale during these trying times. Also, it is likely that this drama is indicative of the strengthening of political and cultural ties between Pakistan and Turkey.

“But how does that make me and others in the industry make me feel? Irani films are also brilliant. If tomorrow, the government starts tweeting about those when they haven’t ever acknowledged local cinema, how would that make us feel? I am a tax-payer and I have been in this business for 30 years now. And a time like this has made me reevaluate things: how can I protect my front? How can I try to make changes so that there is some hope left in the industry for the new producers and directors that come in after me?”

Erturgrul, in its Urdu dubbed version, is evidently raking in high ratings. This may be testament to the show’s superior content but, as Shaan points out, it is also indicative of the limited content that PTV has, even in the form of reruns.

PTI Senator Faisal Javed Khan has also tweeted that the PM wants Pakistani audiences to watch another Turkish series, Yunus Emre, so that they could ‘#knowIslamichistory’.

Meanwhjle, Shaan is tweeting that ‘we need to transfer our pride to our children our stories our successes’.

There was a time when patriotic dramas were a norm – one remembers the short plays created to celebrate the martyrs that were awarded the ‘Nishan-e-Haider’. There was a time when new patriotic songs – ‘Milli Naghmay’ – would be coined every year, close to Independence Day.

But that PTV of yore has been long gone. There isn’t any riveting new content. No celebration of local heroes. Perhaps this negligence can be corrected once the coronavirus lockdown has ended?

For now, its Erturgrul – and then, maybe Yunus Emre.

Link: https://images.dawn.com/news/1185212

 

[Giannis]

Ertugrul is popular all over the Muslim world, Shaan should stop being a hater. If he think he can produce a better series then he should go ahead rather than whine about it.

 

[Bigboii]

He is beyond right it should have been an obvious issue but I think our tv needs a bit of competition to make the industry better but I also get his point ptv shouldnt air foreign projects only private channels should be allowed but with a quota limit

 

[Stewie]

He is beyond right it should have been an obvious issue but I think our tv needs a bit of competition to make the industry better but I also get his point ptv shouldnt air foreign projects only private channels should be allowed but with a quota limit

why? why should there be a limitation like that? I think competition is good. Our entertainment sector, especially TV has stagnated a lot. We need a jolt like this.

Is time our producers pulled their socks up and started putting out good content rather than the garbage we see these days.

 

[Giannis]

He is beyond right it should have been an obvious issue but I think our tv needs a bit of competition to make the industry better but I also get his point ptv shouldnt air foreign projects only private channels should be allowed but with a quota limit

Well it was dubbed in Urdu, creating jobs for Pakistani voice over artists and the ad revenue from the series would benefit the channel. No need to get all nationalistic, plus Turkey is a close friend and ally of Pakistan.

 

[Saeed]

Did someone put a ban on celebrating local heroes? Feel free to celebrate them, it looks like Shaan wants to forcefully make people watch Buddha gujjar.

 

[Bigboii]

why? why should there be a limitation like that? I think competition is good. Our entertainment sector, especially TV has stagnated a lot. We need a jolt like this.

Is time our producers pulled their socks up and started putting out good content rather than the garbage we see these days.

I love free market that's why I don't care about competition and it's good in the long run but due to our economy we can't really make these big budget dramas so there should be a bit of consideration but I think 2 to 3 foreighn prime time dramas per channel should be allowed but more than that would be unfair to our drama industry cause they can't come up with that sort of budget but a lil competition will do wonders cause they know public have alternatives so they can't put garbage on our TV screens

 

[King-Misbah]

Turks are our heroes too, two states but one nation. Instead of whining; produce good quality. I believe the first episode of Ethrugul had 7 million viewers watching it, so some people are concerned. Instead of taking someone else down, you need to go up.

 

[Bigboii]

Well it was dubbed in Urdu, creating jobs for Pakistani voice over artists and the ad revenue from the series would benefit the channel. No need to get all nationalistic, plus Turkey is a close friend and ally of Pakistan.

It's not about being nationalist it's about projection American president always use a car from American company to project his trust in American enguinuity and basically increase the prestige of the company same way PTV a government institution should not be airing foreign dramas instead should show pakistani art and culture and it's creativity it's basically like a butcher buying his meat from another butcher why do you want to do that? Don't you trust your own product but I encouraged private channels to air these foreign shows cause competition is always a good thing but government institutions should not be airing a rival product

 

[Giannis]

It's not about being nationalist it's about projection American president always use a car from American company to project his trust in American enguinuity and basically increase the prestige of the company same way PTV a government institution should not be airing foreign dramas instead should show pakistani art and culture and it's creativity it's basically like a butcher buying his meat from another butcher why do you want to do that? Don't you trust your own product but I encouraged private channels to air these foreign shows cause competition is always a good thing but government institutions should not be airing a rival product

Pakistan doesn't have anything like Ertugrul, they just produce the same sappy love stories between cousins and an overbearing mother in-law.

 

[Pakpak]

Pakistan doesn't have anything like Ertugrul, they just produce the same sappy love stories between cousins and an overbearing mother in-law.

This is so accurate Our TV is still stuck in the 60s

 

[Majid Khan]

I’m a big fan of Ertugrul and having seen all 5 series on Netflix , in my humble opinion it’s a truly remarkable TV series that has to be appreciated. Great actors for a start who really get into the character they are playing, the quality of the production is of very high standard, even action scenes with the sword fighting is as good as I’ve seen even compared to Hollywood. And let’s not forget this is not just entertainment but the life of Ertugrul gazi as shown in this series is very educational for us all on core Islamic values and principles such as :

- Courage and fear of none but Allah
- Having faith (Iman) in Allah
- Hope and optimism in Allah’s mercy
- Patience (sabr) during hardship and difficult times
- Gratitude (shukr) to Allah during good times
- Standing up for Justice
- Leadership by example (Season 5)

 

[Abdullah719]

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[last_knight]

Says the guy who most likely uses branded shoes, branded perfumes and branded soaps.
Why not start it with yourself.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They are finding their identity and roots in Arabs and Turks instead of recognizing themselves as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Indian?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Indian</a><br>We are prouding <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghan</a><br>Identity is their main problem<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopStateTerrorism?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StopStateTerrorism</a></p>— Ali Wazir (@Aliwazirna50) <a href="https://twitter.com/Aliwazirna50/status/1258982841129619462?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 9, 2020</a></blockquote>
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"Prouding Afghan"

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They are finding their identity and roots in Arabs and Turks instead of recognizing themselves as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Indian?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Indian</a><br>We are prouding <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghan</a><br>Identity is their main problem<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopStateTerrorism?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StopStateTerrorism</a></p>— Ali Wazir (@Aliwazirna50) <a href="https://twitter.com/Aliwazirna50/status/1258982841129619462?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 9, 2020</a></blockquote>
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"Prouding Afghan"

Turkish TV series set rating records on Afghan channels

Spoiler

Turkish TV series are breaking ratings records in Afghanistan, where Indian series were once mostly broadcast.

Afghans enjoy watching action, crime, romance and drama shows as they see Turkish culture and the Turkish family structure as similar to their own.

Afghan television, which is sensitive in the selection of series, prefers those that are suitable for Afghan culture to avoid a backlash from Islamic communities and Taliban supporters.

- Locals like to watch

Turkish TV series are translated and broadcast in Persian and Pashto among 50 local and national TV channels in Afghanistan.

One such series, ‘Dirilis Ertugrul’, known as ‘Uprising in Afghanistan’, tells the story of how the Ottoman Empire was established and is broadcast on three channels once a week.

‘Cukur’ (Pit) is another favored Turkish series in Afghanistan. Broadcast on the Tolo channel, it has high ratings and its impact can also be seen in daily life.

Other well-known series include ‘Paramparca’ (Shattered), ‘Öyle Bir Geçer Zaman Ki’ (As Time Passes By), ‘Muhteşem Yüzyıl’ (Magnificent Century) and ‘Sen Anlat Karadeniz’ (You Tell Me Black Sea).

- Influence of popular culture on fashion

Icons and characters from Turkish series are printed on t-shirts and sweaters to attract more followers.

Turkish TV series have a considerable impact on Afghan people, store owner Milad Ahmad Giyasi in Kabul told Anadolu Agency.

Giyasi said he orders clothes printed with related icons and characters as they are preferred more than casual clothing.

- Impact on bilateral relationship

Cultural, historical and religious similarities between Turkey and Afghanistan have led to high demand for Turkish products, said Caner Bozat, commercial counselor at Turkey’s embassy in Kabul.

“While Turkish products are rated in the high price segment and appeal to high-income groups, we have observed that demand for Turkish products has increased from the middle- and lower-income groups as a result of the effects of the Turkish series,” Bozat said.

He said most Afghans want to visit Turkey and see the places shown in the series.

“We can see that Turkish TV series have started being watched via satellite or on the internet through Turkish channels, which leads to children willing to learn and speak Turkish,” he added.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacif...set-rating-records-on-afghan-channels/1655351

 

[King-Misbah]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They are finding their identity and roots in Arabs and Turks instead of recognizing themselves as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Indian?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Indian</a><br>We are prouding <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghan</a><br>Identity is their main problem<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopStateTerrorism?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StopStateTerrorism</a></p>— Ali Wazir (@Aliwazirna50) <a href="https://twitter.com/Aliwazirna50/status/1258982841129619462?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 9, 2020</a></blockquote>
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"Prouding Afghan"

He should get out of Pakistan and migrate to Afghanistan. Time that Pakistan does not tolerate nuisances like him as no other country does. Pakistan is too soft on traitors.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

I've not watched and don't intend to but seems like he's better off watching something on the sikh empire, it airs on Sony ..

 

[Sirris]

I haven't watch this show. Don't plan on doing so, though I have some turkish friends. I see some people crying about its popularity to which I say better this show than glorifying shows like The Game of Thrones or The Vikings.

 

[Pakpak]

I haven't watch this show. Don't plan on doing so, though I have some turkish friends. I see some people crying about its popularity to which I say better this show than glorifying shows like The Game of Thrones or The Vikings.

Why? Both the Vikings and GOT are absolutely fantastic shows. GOT falls in quality as it goes on but both are right up there in television in the last decade and have been recognised as such. Everyone has dislikes and likes, I personally find Ertugul rubbish and totally preachy in its tone but I can see why it also has its appeal. Its clean and more family friend than GOT or Vikings. I find Ertugul more similar to the Last Kingdom with its religious tones.

 

[Sirris]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They are finding their identity and roots in Arabs and Turks instead of recognizing themselves as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Indian?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Indian</a><br>We are prouding <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghan</a><br>Identity is their main problem<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopStateTerrorism?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StopStateTerrorism</a></p>— Ali Wazir (@Aliwazirna50) <a href="https://twitter.com/Aliwazirna50/status/1258982841129619462?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 9, 2020</a></blockquote>
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"Prouding Afghan"

Don't let anybody fool you.

Muslims of this region were the staunch supporters of Ottoman empire. Even when Arabs leaders of Hejaz conspired with the British against the Ottoman empire Muslim from the subcontinent stayed loyal to it and tried to prevent it from collapsing with all means possible. Historically the Islamic identity and allegiance was favored over any ethnic identity.

This guy is the confused individual since today Afghan means Uzbek, Tajik, Hazara or other Persian speaking inhabitant of Afghanistan but he wants to be racist and imply Afghan = Pashtuns only!

At the same time we are not Indian, rather Hindu or Hindustani. In geographic terms, since the "Hindoo" in a religious religious context was coined by the British.

 

[Sirris]

Why? Both the Vikings and GOT are absolutely fantastic shows. GOT falls in quality as it goes on but both are right up there in television in the last decade and have been recognised as such. Everyone has dislikes and likes, I personally find Ertugul rubbish and totally preachy in its tone but I can see why it also has its appeal. Its clean and more family friend than GOT or Vikings. I find Ertugul more similar to the Last Kingdom with its religious tones.

Anybody is free to love whatever show they want to.

My comment was in context that I saw quite a few people on social media complaining about how confused Pakistani are and why the show is such a big hit in Pakistan. In that regard I'd prefer this show, since it at least has something to do with our shared religious identity and history. Btw, also less nudity in regards to GOT. I hope so.

 

[Pakpak]

Anybody is free to love whatever show they want to.

My comment was in context that I saw quite a few people on social media complaining about how confused Pakistani are and why the show is such a big hit in Pakistan. In that regard I'd prefer this show, since it at least has something to do with our shared religious identity and history. Btw, also less nudity in regards to GOT. I hope so.

Yeah, which is what I said as well. Due to Islamic history is the main reason and like I said its far more clean and family friendly than the other shows in comparison. Its a shame Pakistan doesn't churn out shows of this quality or even move beyond the rubbish cousin love stories. TV shows can be a great way to educate people about history.

 

[last_knight]

He should get out of Pakistan and migrate to Afghanistan. Time that Pakistan does not tolerate nuisances like him as no other country does. Pakistan is too soft on traitors.

If we remove him, someone else will replace him and State will have to collect profile info from scratch for the new one.
I think thats how these things work. When you have a complete profile record on one miscreant, its easy to track and intercept him. A bitter pill but still better than doing a profile on replacements.

 

[Savak]

Lol, Shaan blamed the failure of his big budget films on Karachites conspiring against Lahorites. He accusses Pakistani actors and actresses working in Bollywood of treason and selling themselves below their FMV. Now he complains about the govt not promoting local talent whereas individuals who really want to get things done do it without depending on the govt. This guy is always criticizing and complaining.

He refused the villain's role in Ghajini claiming it would have been offensive and insulting to Pakistani's and his stature in the Pakistani film industry, but maybe it could have been a career defining role for him which would have led to offers for better roles and characters. Sometimes you have to swallow your ego for long term gains.

 

[Nostalgic]

if Ertugrul and similar Turkish shows can wean our people off of their embarrassing Bollywood obsessions, I’m all for it.

 

[Sirris]

Yeah, which is what I said as well. Due to Islamic history is the main reason and like I said its far more clean and family friendly than the other shows in comparison. Its a shame Pakistan doesn't churn out shows of this quality or even move beyond the rubbish cousin love stories. TV shows can be a great way to educate people about history.

There used to be some classic shows based on a famous Pakistani novelist Nasim Hijazi. One such show was called "Akhri chatan". I only have vague memories of that show from my childhood.

Won't mind a show on Tipu sultan.

 

[Bigboii]

if Ertugrul and similar Turkish shows can wean our people off of their embarrassing Bollywood obsessions, I’m all for it.

True but on second thought wouldn't they be cannabilising on our drama industry cause Bollywood is a different market for films only

 

[Nostalgic]

True but on second thought wouldn't they be cannabilising on our drama industry cause Bollywood is a different market for films only

Or it could spur the drama industry into exploring the uncharted territory beyond the Shaadi-Talaaq storylines it has restricted itself to. I sit down with the wife every evening as she watches drama serials on YouTube, and I have a hard time telling one from the other. It’s as if weddings and divorces are the only topics worth exploring.

Also, any price is worth paying for if it finally leads to a cure for the Bollywood addiction.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We've many beautiful cultures in Pak but many still face a identity crisis which is also seen in our diaspora. Being ourselves often causes "Goras" to confuse us as Indians due to our similarities so we mimicked Arabs tracing our roots to Bin Qasim. Now we're trying being Turks</p>— M. Jibran Nasir (@MJibranNasir) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJibranNasir/status/1259551359512297474?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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tRyInG bEiNg TuRkS

 

[Giannis]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They are finding their identity and roots in Arabs and Turks instead of recognizing themselves as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Indian?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Indian</a><br>We are prouding <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghan</a><br>Identity is their main problem<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopStateTerrorism?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StopStateTerrorism</a></p>— Ali Wazir (@Aliwazirna50) <a href="https://twitter.com/Aliwazirna50/status/1258982841129619462?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 9, 2020</a></blockquote>
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"Prouding Afghan"

LOOL these Afghan nationalist types are really annoying, they're so obsessed with race and whiteness that they think every thing is identity driven. This man somehow managed to make the connection between a world popular Turkish drama and identity politics . They're still stuck in their short lived empire that spanned most of India lol.

 

[Nostalgic]

In the immortal words of Naeem Bukhari, “our ancestors were from Turkey. That’s why we are Thurkey.”

 

[Giannis]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We've many beautiful cultures in Pak but many still face a identity crisis which is also seen in our diaspora. Being ourselves often causes "Goras" to confuse us as Indians due to our similarities so we mimicked Arabs tracing our roots to Bin Qasim. Now we're trying being Turks</p>— M. Jibran Nasir (@MJibranNasir) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJibranNasir/status/1259551359512297474?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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tRyInG bEiNg TuRkS

Pakistani "Liberals" have to make everything about identity lol , it's like that can't sit down and just enjoy something, they got to find the deeper meaning and connect it with their own complexes

 

[Giannis]

Anime and Kpop is popular in the west, according to Pakistani "Liberals" that would mean westerners are trying to be Asian and "finding their roots in Asian' lmaooo

 

[Bigboii]

Anime and Kpop is popular in the west, according to Pakistani "Liberals" that would mean westerners are trying to be Asian and "finding their roots in Asian' lmaooo

I am not so sure about kpop it's not mainstream and thank God it's not don't want feminine "men" on my screaming screaming Gangnam style on my face

 

[Giannis]

I am not so sure about kpop it's not mainstream and thank God it's not &#55357;&#56838; don't want feminine "men" on my screaming screaming Gangnam style on my face

It's still extremely popular among young women.

 

[Bigboii]

It's still extremely popular among young women.

I am sad

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Shaan why don't you produce your own content instead of being jealous that a Turkish show has more popularity than any of your low quality films?

The govt should lift the quota on foreign content, with the exception of Indian, and let consumers decide what they want.

 

[Bigboii]

Shaan why don't you produce your own content instead of being jealous that a Turkish show has more popularity than any of your low quality films?

The govt should lift the quota on foreign content, with the exception of Indian, and let consumers decide what they want.

He answered this question in a tweet mentioned in this article
https://images.dawn.com/news/1185212

 

[Bigboii]

He answered this question in a tweet mentioned in this article
https://images.dawn.com/news/1185212

My bad it's not in this article and not showing up on his Twitter but I definitely remember him saying along the lines that without government support they can't make these big project because of the money problems and tbf to him this drama was produced by trt basically the Turkish PTV

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

He answered this question in a tweet mentioned in this article
https://images.dawn.com/news/1185212

If PTV hasnt done it what stopped him? It should not be the governments job to produce art.

If anything this is good if PTV takes successful shows and dubs them, so this way they will lose less money

 

[Napa]

Also, any price is worth paying for if it finally leads to a cure for the Bollywood addiction.

I am reminded of King Canute and the tide (the commonly believed version).

 

[Slog]

Lol throughout the decade our people have been watching Bollywood movies, Hollywood movies, American shows such as Game of Thrones; but one Turkish show rooted in aspects of Ottoman Islamic history, and the ‘woke’ crowd in jeans and t-shirt is afraid that we are losing our culture )

 

[Bigboii]

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My man with this video you literally took away all of his self-worth, pride whatever he must have felt violated if he saw the thread

It's equivalent to a wwe smackdown

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Our film and tv industry is utter garbage so no thanks

 

[Jin Chacha]

Not a fan of Shaan but he is getting a lot of unnecessary hate. He never said anything about us losing our culture or identity because of watching Turkish plays. He simply said that promotion of Turkish content by the state and by state-owned media may hurt the local industry and this argument is not completely wrong. The quality of our own content is not up to the mark, but it is not as if Turkey has gifted us the rights for Ertugrul. PTV must have paid for it. Money that could potentially have been spent locally. And the comparison with Bollywood is irrelevant. Most Bollywood content consumed by our public is pirated, it is not aired by a state-owned channel.

Having said that my wife loves all Turkish plays so I have to watch them irrespective of what anyone thinks

 

[ahmedzee]

I am perfectly in support of what Shaan mentioned that we need to celebrate our local heroes in history. With that being said, i don't think Pakistan has produced a single historical drama where local heroes were celebrated. So if the content is not there, what can the govt do? There has to be the content for the govt to show. Shaan can start a such a series that rivals Ertugrul.

 

[daytrader]

I am perfectly in support of what Shaan mentioned that we need to celebrate our local heroes in history. With that being said, i don't think Pakistan has produced a single historical drama where local heroes were celebrated. So if the content is not there, what can the govt do? There has to be the content for the govt to show. Shaan can start a such a series that rivals Ertugrul.

When the government is producing content such as ISPR songs, what's stopping it in helping local production houses. The main point Shaan makes is don't air it on PTV, it's a state owned channel funded by public taxes. Our taxes should go to our production. There's no excuse to show anything foreign (no matter how friendly we are) on that channel.

 

[daytrader]

Our film and tv industry is utter garbage so no thanks

That's the point he's making, so it's garbage let's just leave it in the dumps?

 

[daytrader]

Lol, Shaan blamed the failure of his big budget films on Karachites conspiring against Lahorites. He accusses Pakistani actors and actresses working in Bollywood of treason and selling themselves below their FMV. Now he complains about the govt not promoting local talent whereas individuals who really want to get things done do it without depending on the govt. This guy is always criticizing and complaining.

He refused the villain's role in Ghajini claiming it would have been offensive and insulting to Pakistani's and his stature in the Pakistani film industry, but maybe it could have been a career defining role for him which would have led to offers for better roles and characters. Sometimes you have to swallow your ego for long term gains.

His 30 year career is already defined as being the star and pride of Pakistani cinema. Everyone's not Shoaib Akhtar where they need Indian Validation. His pride is Pakistan's pride and him passing on a Bollywood opportunity is in the long term better for Pakistani film industry as it sets the right example for younger stars. Sometimes you have to give up personal gains for the greater good

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Not a fan of Shaan but he is getting a lot of unnecessary hate. He never said anything about us losing our culture or identity because of watching Turkish plays. He simply said that promotion of Turkish content by the state and by state-owned media may hurt the local industry and this argument is not completely wrong. The quality of our own content is not up to the mark, but it is not as if Turkey has gifted us the rights for Ertugrul. PTV must have paid for it. Money that could potentially have been spent locally. And the comparison with Bollywood is irrelevant. Most Bollywood content consumed by our public is pirated, it is not aired by a state-owned channel.

Having said that my wife loves all Turkish plays so I have to watch them irrespective of what anyone thinks

PTV paid for a popular show, and therefore will get higher ratings and should make that money back in increased advertising money. It should not be PTV's job to produce dramas now that we have dozens of television channels.

The real issue is that these actors are scared that if Pakistan starts importing foreign content that is dubbed, they will lose money. So they either play the patrotic card, or worse these liberals play the Islamic card and brand foreign content as against Pakistani values.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

When the government is producing content such as ISPR songs, what's stopping it in helping local production houses. The main point Shaan makes is don't air it on PTV, it's a state owned channel funded by public taxes. Our taxes should go to our production. There's no excuse to show anything foreign (no matter how friendly we are) on that channel.

The goverment does not have money right now to produce quality shows like BBC would. So whats wrong with getting foreign content, as long as its not Indian? You create jobs for actors who are hired to dub the series into Urdu. Not to mention there are lower costs in acquiring a show vs producing it yourself.

 

[Bigboii]

We have to remember his films we're bad but also his films also started the revival of Pak film industry with KKL and Waar

 

[Local.Dada]

I have heard from a lot of Indian Punjabi friends that Pakistani serials used to be the rage back in the day, why wouldn’t they re-telecast those instead of a foreign show, I am sure there are some iconic ones in there somewhere?

Indian government is showing Ramayana which was probably one of the most watched tv shows in the history of television back in the 80s. Nothing religious about it, that show was the craze back then if you lived in India.

It’s not like Indian government is showing the dubbed version of game of thrones or breaking bad

 

[daytrader]

The goverment does not have money right now to produce quality shows like BBC would. So whats wrong with getting foreign content, as long as its not Indian? You create jobs for actors who are hired to dub the series into Urdu. Not to mention there are lower costs in acquiring a show vs producing it yourself.

Maybe they're also paying royalties to air the show? That's usually the standard in the industry so the money argument can work both ways. But the problem is not just money, problem is a government owned channel airing foreign content when we should be promoting our own. That would also create jobs and the concern that veterans like Shaan have, is that with moves like this, that industry suffers

 

[Giannis]

I am perfectly in support of what Shaan mentioned that we need to celebrate our local heroes in history. With that being said, i don't think Pakistan has produced a single historical drama where local heroes were celebrated. So if the content is not there, what can the govt do? There has to be the content for the govt to show. Shaan can start a such a series that rivals Ertugrul.

Yes and Ertugrul can also be considered a hero for the entire Muslim world, the thing is Shaan and a lot of Pakistani "liberals" are thinking in a very ethnocentric and country-specific manner, some heroes are more communal/regional, so a drama about an ottoman emir spreading his faith shouldn't be seen as "foreign", it's no different from how non-Greek westerners love watching Sparta and the Gladiators even if they're from nowhere near Greece because they consider them to part of Western civilization likewise the Ottomans were a huge part of Islamic history.

 

[Giannis]

I have heard from a lot of Indian Punjabi friends that Pakistani serials used to be the rage back in the day, why wouldn’t they re-telecast those instead of a foreign show, I am sure there are some iconic ones in there somewhere?

Indian government is showing Ramayana which was probably one of the most watched tv shows in the history of television back in the 80s. Nothing religious about it, that show was the craze back then if you lived in India.

It’s not like Indian government is showing the dubbed version of game of thrones or breaking bad

I'm sure they do retelecast a lot of old dramas however they are outdated and there's no point showing them in prime time again. You can't compare Ertugrul to game of thrones, he's seen as a hero all over the Muslim world - this series is actually very popular in the Arab world, the Balkans and even south America. I guess you could say it's more similar to Ramayana, Idk what that is but sounds like Hindu TV show so it has a similar religious significance.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

There are too many constraints to make anything close to Ertugrul in Pakistan. In the main, our censorship laws are such that you can’t make a realistic tv show that can have broader appeal. Our society is too indoctrinated to appreciate nuance and we’ll only end up making ahistorical propaganda.

 

[Kaddy]

Humayun Gujjar and Kalu Shahpuriya
More local heroes please.

 

[Syed1]

Funny how so many of our liberals have an issue with airing of Ertugral... The Prime Minister on Twitter and woke crowd ka badsha Jibran Nasir even went as far as to say that airing of Ertugral is us trying to emulate and adopt the Turkish culture. Height of stupidity, so if I watched GoT was I trying to be a dragon or adopt the Westorosi culture? You can expect the woke crowd to be dumb and ignorant.


Read a very good comment of social media that the liberal/woke crowd are showing their displeasure for this show or the Islamic book that IK recommended not on the merit of either of those things but because they were recommended by IK. Long may the pain continue Inshallah.

 

[The Viper]

Shaan is just bitter - Ertugrul teaches moral values and alligns with the countries identity. It is popular and is a clever way to educate the youth.

 

[Sirris]

Okay that's it!

Going to watch the first episode tonight after traweeh!

Watch me together today at 11:15 PM

 

[JaDed]

Funny how so many of our liberals have an issue with airing of Ertugral... The Prime Minister on Twitter and woke crowd ka badsha Jibran Nasir even went as far as to say that airing of Ertugral is us trying to emulate and adopt the Turkish culture. Height of stupidity, so if I watched GoT was I trying to be a dragon or adopt the Westorosi culture? You can expect the woke crowd to be dumb and ignorant.


Read a very good comment of social media that the liberal/woke crowd are showing their displeasure for this show or the Islamic book that IK recommended not on the merit of either of those things but because they were recommended by IK. Long may the pain continue Inshallah.

Shaan supports Imran.. just see it from his perspective, Dramas are still a place where Pakistani artists have a lot of say, all he asked was the govn not do paid promotion for them and instead invest in Pakistani ones, said nothing against telecasting them otherwise.

The other Liberals might be a diff story..

 

[Sirris]

Humayun Gujjar and Kalu Shahpuriya
More local heroes please.

Make it good quality please and I will watch!

I think one of the reason this show is so popular is that beside Islamic heritage it seems to be high quality stuff.

 

[IAJ]

I started watching this serial some years back and have watched all the 5 seasons and now watching Kuruls Osman, where Ertugrul Ghazi’s son Osman is the main character and it was Osman who laid the foundation of the Ottoman Empire.

Sure the series can be biased but the main focus is on Islam and the Turk culture. Some scenes really made you cry when they show that they are doing everything for satisfying Allah SWT. And I also love the much focus on Sufism.

I have bever been so much in to films and TV series before but I really like this one.

 

[Bigboii]

Make it good quality please and I will watch!

I think one of the reason this show is so popular is that beside Islamic heritage it seems to be high quality stuff.

Maulla jutt trailer the new one was awesome I would have loved to watch it, we have good heroes and talent and hopefully we can improve further down the road and I am sure we will

 

[Slog]

I have heard from a lot of Indian Punjabi friends that Pakistani serials used to be the rage back in the day, why wouldn’t they re-telecast those instead of a foreign show, I am sure there are some iconic ones in there somewhere?

Indian government is showing Ramayana which was probably one of the most watched tv shows in the history of television back in the 80s. Nothing religious about it, that show was the craze back then if you lived in India.

It’s not like Indian government is showing the dubbed version of game of thrones or breaking bad

"nothing religion about it (Ramayana)" LMAOOO

please stop it lol

 

[Syed1]

Shaan supports Imran.. just see it from his perspective, Dramas are still a place where Pakistani artists have a lot of say, all he asked was the govn not do paid promotion for them and instead invest in Pakistani ones, said nothing against telecasting them otherwise.

The other Liberals might be a diff story..

I was referring to discussions like these all over social media last couple of days


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistani Elite Logic:<br><br>Elite watches Game of Thrones, House of Cards, Money Heist, Suits and other seasons - perfectly fine; because it’s on Netflix yo. <br><br>Middle class gets access to a FREE show on PTV, dubbed in Urdu for them - not fine at all; this is entertainment to death. <a href="https://t.co/BEMWOJLLZs">https://t.co/BEMWOJLLZs</a></p>— Hassan (@hassans567) <a href="https://twitter.com/hassans567/status/1260342624759754753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Talking about local heroes, when are we making a show on the life and times of Altaf Bhai?

 

[MenInG]

Actor Yasir Hussain has advised state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) to make its own historical drama utilizing the expertise of Pakistani artists and technicians after Turkish drama series Diriliş: Ertuğrul or Ertugrul Ghazi won the hearts of millions of Pakistani fans.

Taking to Instagram, the Baandi actor shared a story where he wrote “PTV should make a historic drama serial and utilize Pakistani artists, who pay taxes and also have expertise in their field besides the technicians. ”

He went on to say sarcastically that imported clothes and Turkish dramas will destroy the local industry.

Turkish drama series Ertuğrul has swept over Pakistan with its Urdu-dubbed version airing on small screens and its episodes are trending on YouTube every day.

The drama series started airing on the state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) on the directives of Prime Minister Imran Khan in Ramadan.

 

[Majid Khan]

Actor Yasir Hussain has advised state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) to make its own historical drama utilizing the expertise of Pakistani artists and technicians after Turkish drama series Diriliş: Ertuğrul or Ertugrul Ghazi won the hearts of millions of Pakistani fans.

Taking to Instagram, the Baandi actor shared a story where he wrote “PTV should make a historic drama serial and utilize Pakistani artists, who pay taxes and also have expertise in their field besides the technicians. ”

He went on to say sarcastically that imported clothes and Turkish dramas will destroy the local industry.

Turkish drama series Ertuğrul has swept over Pakistan with its Urdu-dubbed version airing on small screens and its episodes are trending on YouTube every day.

The drama series started airing on the state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) on the directives of Prime Minister Imran Khan in Ramadan.

These insecure Pakistani actors instead of appreciating their fellow artists from a brotherly country, are acting like ‘dukaandaar’ (shopkeepers) worried that their own mediocre low budget Mother-in-law/daughter in law or cousin marriage themed TV dramas might lose audience if the public gets accustomed to Turkish dramas and has expectations of a slick, top quality production instead of the home grown mediocrity that Pakistani channels are promoting as entertainment.

 

[Savak]

Who are the local heroes that PTV can produce a drama series on?

 

[TrentDevil]

Talking about local heroes, when are we making a show on the life and times of Altaf Bhai?

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[TrentDevil]

Actor Yasir Hussain has advised state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) to make its own historical drama utilizing the expertise of Pakistani artists and technicians after Turkish drama series Diriliş: Ertuğrul or Ertugrul Ghazi won the hearts of millions of Pakistani fans.

Taking to Instagram, the Baandi actor shared a story where he wrote “PTV should make a historic drama serial and utilize Pakistani artists, who pay taxes and also have expertise in their field besides the technicians. ”

He went on to say sarcastically that imported clothes and Turkish dramas will destroy the local industry.

Turkish drama series Ertuğrul has swept over Pakistan with its Urdu-dubbed version airing on small screens and its episodes are trending on YouTube every day.

The drama series started airing on the state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) on the directives of Prime Minister Imran Khan in Ramadan.

This guy talks so much *****, everyday there's a controversy about him, new Amir Liaquat in the making

 

[Kianig89]

What is Shan talking about celebrate local heroes why haven't they made a film on Aitzaz the warrior student of Hango a movie on Arfa Kareem or on a lighter note Pakistan's Al Capone our Sicilian mafia
Or that rat

Harsh reality is we have watched your filth of local heroes what you depicted in your movies #Kalu Shahpuriya Dosa and blah blah

 

[ahmedzee]

Actor Yasir Hussain has advised state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) to make its own historical drama utilizing the expertise of Pakistani artists and technicians after Turkish drama series Diriliş: Ertuğrul or Ertugrul Ghazi won the hearts of millions of Pakistani fans.

Taking to Instagram, the Baandi actor shared a story where he wrote “PTV should make a historic drama serial and utilize Pakistani artists, who pay taxes and also have expertise in their field besides the technicians. ”

He went on to say sarcastically that imported clothes and Turkish dramas will destroy the local industry.

Turkish drama series Ertuğrul has swept over Pakistan with its Urdu-dubbed version airing on small screens and its episodes are trending on YouTube every day.

The drama series started airing on the state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) on the directives of Prime Minister Imran Khan in Ramadan.

This third class actor called yasir Hussain has totally lost it. Why is he feeling so insecure. This garbage actor is not getting any shows it seems. He is a die hard supporter of GOT and some indian movies as well while they were being played in Pakistani cinemas. No voice against it at all. But when a show is shown for middle lower class as they have no access to it otherwise, he is losing it.

Pakistani elite and some actors hve totally lost it.

 

[Greenstorm]

Who are the local heroes that PTV can produce a drama series on?

A series can be made on Mughals, starting from Babar.

 

[Lonewarrior]

A series can be made on Mughals, starting from Babar.

PTV have already made Drama serial on Babar in 90s ..... It was a good one ......

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sharing my response to a post that insinuated our jobs are under threat:<br><br>I don't recall us actors finding ourselves jobless when Ishq-e-Mamnoon or Mera Sultan were all the rage in Pakistan. Nor did Turkish actors 'infiltrate' the local industry & replace us. - contd.</p>— Osman Khalid Butt (@aClockworkObi) <a href="https://twitter.com/aClockworkObi/status/1262380688050880513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2020</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Of course, I'd love it if our national television uses the revenue generated from this series to create our own original content - shows that can rival Ertugrul in narrative if not in scale, and showcase our own historical events.</p>— Osman Khalid Butt (@aClockworkObi) <a href="https://twitter.com/aClockworkObi/status/1262384338831839234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2020</a></blockquote>
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