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Shaan Shahid wants govt to celebrate local heroes instead of airing 'Dirilis: Ertugrul'

It would be great if Pakistani channels took inspiration from Ertugrul and produced series on the following heroes who most of us have heard names of but know very little about :

- Ghouri
- Mehmood Ghaznavi
- Muhammad Bin Qasim
- Tipu Sultan

Even a big budget and slick TV series on Jinnah and the freedom struggle would be great.
 
It would be great if Pakistani channels took inspiration from Ertugrul and produced series on the following heroes who most of us have heard names of but know very little about :

- Ghouri
- Mehmood Ghaznavi
- Muhammad Bin Qasim
- Tipu Sultan

Even a big budget and slick TV series on Jinnah and the freedom struggle would be great.

There is already a famous Indian show on Tipu Sultan actually from the 90s. I don’t know if you are familiar with Sanjay Khan. Well his other credentials are Father in Law to Hrithik Roshan, Brother to Feroze Khan and uncle to Fardeen Khan besides producing a good Tv show.
 
It would be great if Pakistani channels took inspiration from Ertugrul and produced series on the following heroes who most of us have heard names of but know very little about :

- Ghouri
- Mehmood Ghaznavi
- Muhammad Bin Qasim
- Tipu Sultan

Even a big budget and slick TV series on Jinnah and the freedom struggle would be great.

Ibrahim Lodhi, Sher Shah Suri to add a few more.
 
Good series. It might be biased but you learn a lot of new things and Turkish POV of their history. Maybe Shaan should make a series about Chitral scouts and other princely states of Pakistan on their rivalries. If he wants to go more ancient, maybe on Indus civilization.
 
Instead of hating on the show Pakistanis should produce similar content which is inspired by our past.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We've many beautiful cultures in Pak but many still face a identity crisis which is also seen in our diaspora. Being ourselves often causes "Goras" to confuse us as Indians due to our similarities so we mimicked Arabs tracing our roots to Bin Qasim. Now we're trying being Turks</p>— M. Jibran Nasir (@MJibranNasir) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJibranNasir/status/1259551359512297474?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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tRyInG bEiNg TuRkS

Meanwhile in 2013.

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'Resurrection: Ertugrul' producer pitches for joint projects with Pakistan
Set to break the world record for the most new subscribers on YouTube, the Turkish drama "Resurrection: Ertugrul" has become a major hit in Pakistan and its producer is ready to take steps for a co-production.

Mehmet Bozdag, who is also the screenwriter of the drama, told Anadolu Agency that Muslims should not only work together in politics and trade but also in culture and the arts, and so businesspeople should invest in the field of art.

"I am surprised that we did not make any collaborations till this day ... we call each other brother countries," said Bozdag, referring to Turkey and Pakistan.

"However, we have never signed a deal in the field of culture and arts. So then where is the fellowship?"

Bozdag said there should be joint projects where producers and actors come together.
https://www.trtworld.com/art-culture/resurrection-ertugrul-producer-pitches-for-joint-projects-with-pakistan-36613
 
Meanwhile in 2013.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Schezreh211?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Schezreh211</a> bollywood songs teaching us life lessons since forever.</p>— M. Jibran Nasir (@MJibranNasir) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJibranNasir/status/390750678798192641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Jibran Nasir is an attention seeker. If given power he will turn out to be just another individual who spoke a lot outside power where he benefited from the lack of expectations but will be shown up embarrassingly when in the seat.
 
It would be great if Pakistani channels took inspiration from Ertugrul and produced series on the following heroes who most of us have heard names of but know very little about :

- Ghouri
- Mehmood Ghaznavi
- Muhammad Bin Qasim
- Tipu Sultan

Even a big budget and slick TV series on Jinnah and the freedom struggle would be great.

Apart from Tipu Sultan, how others are our heroes? Can you explain that?
 
Apart from Tipu Sultan, how others are our heroes? Can you explain that?

Ok let’s call them local historical figures instead of local heroes but it’s worth knowing more about them .

The question Ertugrul has tried to answer for Turkish people is what is our history, where did we come from and who were our founding fathers?

It would be interesting and very educational for the Pakistani people to learn more about our history and it can’t just start at 1947, we should look back at the origins of Muslims arriving in the subcontinent , were there any great warriors or conquerers, the Mughal dynasty, leading up to the movement for Independence by Jinnah/Iqbal.
 
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Ok let’s call them local historical figures instead of local heroes but it’s worth knowing more about them .

The question Ertugrul has tried to answer for Turkish people is what is our history, where did we come from and who were our founding fathers?

It would be interesting and very educational for the Pakistani people to learn more about our history and it can’t just start at 1947, we should look back at the origins of Muslims arriving in the subcontinent , were there any great warriors or conquerers, the Mughal dynasty, leading up to the movement for Independence by Jinnah/Iqbal.

Do you know Afghan government has objected to Pakistan missile names because they claim all these guys were Afghani natives. See below

How are the invaders heroes of Pakistan? Sure Mughals like Akbar,Shahjahan Or even Tipu you have a point there because these guys were born in this land and ruled the land so regardless of their ethnicity they can be considered Indians/Pakistanis.

Also you know that ancient Indian epics like the Mahabharat in fact took place in many present areas of Pakistan? How come Ghazini or Etrugul’s life stories are more important to Pakistanis than say Mahabharat? If you takeaway the religious aspect.

https://www.dawn.com/news/180037
 
Ok let’s call them local historical figures instead of local heroes but it’s worth knowing more about them .

The question Ertugrul has tried to answer for Turkish people is what is our history, where did we come from and who were our founding fathers?

It would be interesting and very educational for the Pakistani people to learn more about our history and it can’t just start at 1947, we should look back at the origins of Muslims arriving in the subcontinent , were there any great warriors or conquerers, the Mughal dynasty, leading up to the movement for Independence by Jinnah/Iqbal.

I don't consider them to be our heroes and it fascinates me how much our people worship foreign invaders. They came to this land, kill and torture people, loot them and take all the wealth back to their states to make them rich while leaving us poor. Just because they were Muslims and rulers of our regions were Hindus doesn't make them our heroes. Our heroes are likes of Iqbal, Jinnah. If India, Pakistan was not invaded and ruled by foreign forces we wouldn't be living in such a pathetic state right now.

Hopefully our future generations will realize this fact. This distortion of history has to be corrected some day.
 
Do you know Afghan government has objected to Pakistan missile names because they claim all these guys were Afghani natives. See below

How are the invaders heroes of Pakistan? Sure Mughals like Akbar,Shahjahan Or even Tipu you have a point there because these guys were born in this land and ruled the land so regardless of their ethnicity they can be considered Indians/Pakistanis.

Also you know that ancient Indian epics like the Mahabharat in fact took place in many present areas of Pakistan? How come Ghazini or Etrugul’s life stories are more important to Pakistanis than say Mahabharat? If you takeaway the religious aspect.

https://www.dawn.com/news/180037

Pakistan is based upon Islam, that cannot be taken away. Moreover, ancestors of a lot of modern day Pakistanis came into sub-continent with the 'invaders' and decided to settle here.

Islam frees mankind from the shackles of race, ethnicity and regionalism. Any Muslim hero is a hero of Pakistanis. So please spare us your half naked mahabharat 'heroes', we prefer watching stories of our fellow Muslim conquerors like Ertugrul.
 
Pakistan is based upon Islam, that cannot be taken away. Moreover, ancestors of a lot of modern day Pakistanis came into sub-continent with the 'invaders' and decided to settle here.

Islam frees mankind from the shackles of race, ethnicity and regionalism. Any Muslim hero is a hero of Pakistanis. So please spare us your half naked mahabharat 'heroes', we prefer watching stories of our fellow Muslim conquerors like Ertugrul.

Good for you. Arabs have Arab pride of all their wealth and accomplishments, Iranians have Iranian pride with the whole persian empire and all.Clearly Turkish people have promoted their own hero instead of some other torchbearer of islam. It's not like this serial is based on the life of Khilji or Babar or something.

So good to see that you see things beyond nationality and as one happy family. Very impressed.

I wonder out of 1.7 billion subcontinent population, I wonder how many families were actually settlers. I am assuming since Bengalis have their own culture, all of Pakistan consists of the lineage from invaders from Turkey. You learn something new everyday.

However one more question, Punjabis speak the same language as their Indian counterparts and so do Sindhis and Mohajirs speak Urdu a variant of Hindustani, I never knew these people came from elsewhere and spread these Indian languages.
 
Good for you. Arabs have Arab pride of all their wealth and accomplishments, Iranians have Iranian pride with the whole persian empire and all.Clearly Turkish people have promoted their own hero instead of some other torchbearer of islam. It's not like this serial is based on the life of Khilji or Babar or something.

So good to see that you see things beyond nationality and as one happy family. Very impressed.

I wonder out of 1.7 billion subcontinent population, I wonder how many families were actually settlers. I am assuming since Bengalis have their own culture, all of Pakistan consists of the lineage from invaders from Turkey. You learn something new everyday.

However one more question, Punjabis speak the same language as their Indian counterparts and so do Sindhis and Mohajirs speak Urdu a variant of Hindustani, I never knew these people came from elsewhere and spread these Indian languages.

Pakistanis can and do have these conversations amongst themselves to determine their origins, local history and shared folklore; they don't need Indians to butt in and give their version of events. MYOB
 
Good for you. Arabs have Arab pride of all their wealth and accomplishments, Iranians have Iranian pride with the whole persian empire and all.Clearly Turkish people have promoted their own hero instead of some other torchbearer of islam. It's not like this serial is based on the life of Khilji or Babar or something.

So good to see that you see things beyond nationality and as one happy family. Very impressed.

I wonder out of 1.7 billion subcontinent population, I wonder how many families were actually settlers. I am assuming since Bengalis have their own culture, all of Pakistan consists of the lineage from invaders from Turkey. You learn something new everyday.

However one more question, Punjabis speak the same language as their Indian counterparts and so do Sindhis and Mohajirs speak Urdu a variant of Hindustani, I never knew these people came from elsewhere and spread these Indian languages.

Yes, keep the urge and you will learn more. Although, it will take some effort to first unlearn whatever Arnab and his ilks have told you.

As for your further questions, ask them in relevant thread or search for old threads to clear your confusion.
 
I don't consider them to be our heroes and it fascinates me how much our people worship foreign invaders. They came to this land, kill and torture people, loot them and take all the wealth back to their states to make them rich while leaving us poor. Just because they were Muslims and rulers of our regions were Hindus doesn't make them our heroes. Our heroes are likes of Iqbal, Jinnah. If India, Pakistan was not invaded and ruled by foreign forces we wouldn't be living in such a pathetic state right now.

Hopefully our future generations will realize this fact. This distortion of history has to be corrected some day.

Well there you have it - as I said in my earlier post most of us including myself have only heard these names of these historical figures being mentioned and know very little about them. Making historical TV drama series is one way to educate the masses and future generations about any events of historical significance for the region , and clear up any misconceptions if indeed these exist.
 
People take things too seriously at times. this is a cool show , that's why people are watching it. Its a bonus that the show also preaches good values. Watching this show does not make someone a wannabe Turk same way as watching Money Heist doesn't make you a wannabe Spanish bank robber.
 
People take things too seriously at times. this is a cool show , that's why people are watching it. Its a bonus that the show also preaches good values. Watching this show does not make someone a wannabe Turk same way as watching Money Heist doesn't make you a wannabe Spanish bank robber.

Sure. That’s a great point. However I am not sure how many are watching this for the history lesson vs entertainment.
 
Sure. That’s a great point. However I am not sure how many are watching this for the history lesson vs entertainment.
Most are watching for entertainment

It's not airing on history channel is it?
 
Sure. That’s a great point. However I am not sure how many are watching this for the history lesson vs entertainment.

There are plenty of history channels out there, in fact there is a lot of Urdu YouTube channels that recap the history of Ottomans and other Muslim empires from the past, most of those channels do not get many views. If people were interested in history, those channels would also be thriving.

This shows gets millions of views per episode and its not just Pakistan, I believe this show has been dubbed in various other languages and was a hit in a lot of other countries.

Obviously this show has a lot of interest from Muslims and I think that is because it is one of first show of its kind that actually portrays the story from a Muslim point of view rather than showing Muslims as villains as most shows around the world do. and I am sure some enjoy the religious/historical theme but I doubt anybody sees this series as a history lesson.
 
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There are plenty of history channels out there, in fact there is a lot of Urdu YouTube channels that recap the history of Ottomans and other Muslim empires from the past, most of those channels do not get many views. If people were interested in history, those channels would also be thriving.

This shows gets millions of views per episode and its not just Pakistan, I believe this show has been dubbed in various other languages and was a hit in a lot of other countries.

Obviously this show has a lot of interest from Muslims and I think that is because it is one of first show of its kind that actually portrays the story from a Muslim point of view rather than showing Muslims as villains as most shows around the world do. and I am sure some enjoy the religious/historical theme but I doubt anybody sees this series as a history lesson.
I am sure Maduro is also suffering from this disease of pakistani not being proud of their indian heritage

https://youtu.be/wmi4_ytglPc
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just finished watching it what a good effort.. a classic masterpiece. Special thanks to the producers <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mohmatbezdag?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mohmatbezdag</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/kemaltekden?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#kemaltekden</a> directors <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/akifozkan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#akifozkan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/metingunay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#metingunay</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/hakanarslan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#hakanarslan</a> . The cast ♥️ and the technicians who all worked tirelessly to make this epic.thankyou <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Netflix?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Netflix</a> <a href="https://t.co/AydxQU1N3v">pic.twitter.com/AydxQU1N3v</a></p>— Shaan Shahid (@mshaanshahid) <a href="https://twitter.com/mshaanshahid/status/1272183341597499392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I watched it on Netflix</p>— Shaan Shahid (@mshaanshahid) <a href="https://twitter.com/mshaanshahid/status/1272186675205201920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Lol Shaan the nutcase. He was criticizing the govt for spending money on aquiring the rights to the series saying it was available on Netflix. Lol, as if the entire nation has access to netflix.
 
Do you know Afghan government has objected to Pakistan missile names because they claim all these guys were Afghani natives. See below

How are the invaders heroes of Pakistan? Sure Mughals like Akbar,Shahjahan Or even Tipu you have a point there because these guys were born in this land and ruled the land so regardless of their ethnicity they can be considered Indians/Pakistanis.

Also you know that ancient Indian epics like the Mahabharat in fact took place in many present areas of Pakistan? How come Ghazini or Etrugul’s life stories are more important to Pakistanis than say Mahabharat? If you takeaway the religious aspect.

https://www.dawn.com/news/180037

Do you know Afghan is historically synonymous with the Pashtun people? Do you know the majority of Pashtun people live in Pakistan? Do you know that half of the Afghan people are not ethically Pashtun? Do you know that there are millions of people of Pashtun/Pathan descent in Punjab and Sindh? Do you know that unlike Indian pathans who mostly have the surname Khan, in Punjab and Sindh there are people with actual tribal surnames like Durrani, Niazi, Tareen?

Do you know that the Afghan's who established dynasties in the subcontinent, like the Lodhis, Khijlis, etc, never went back? Do you know that these people did not bring women with them, and married local women, and 99% of the time these children were raised Muslim?

Just some questions to ponder.
 
Good for you. Arabs have Arab pride of all their wealth and accomplishments, Iranians have Iranian pride with the whole persian empire and all.Clearly Turkish people have promoted their own hero instead of some other torchbearer of islam. It's not like this serial is based on the life of Khilji or Babar or something.

So good to see that you see things beyond nationality and as one happy family. Very impressed.

I wonder out of 1.7 billion subcontinent population, I wonder how many families were actually settlers. I am assuming since Bengalis have their own culture, all of Pakistan consists of the lineage from invaders from Turkey. You learn something new everyday.

However one more question, Punjabis speak the same language as their Indian counterparts and so do Sindhis and Mohajirs speak Urdu a variant of Hindustani, I never knew these people came from elsewhere and spread these Indian languages
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The same reason that the Normans who conquered England and settled there eventually adopted English, because England became there home, and they lost the ability to speak French after living in England for so long. However because elite spoke French initially, there are tons of French words in English.

So the Same way the the Muslim elite spoke Persian, but eventually they adopted the local languages, because the subcontinent became there home, and they could no longer speak Persian, and because they initially spoke Persian that is why whether the language is Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Kashmiri, Bengali, Sindhi there are tons of Persian Words.
 
Shaan appears to be a quite a nutter. I remember his tweet way back when the lock down was strict in which he posed for a photograph in his lawn with a sports car perfectly nestled in the background. And then, started arguing with random people commenting on him that he was showing off.

Also said something in 90s I had a Mehran and now I have this and that....lol. Came across insecure.
 
Shaan appears to be a quite a nutter. I remember his tweet way back when the lock down was strict in which he posed for a photograph in his lawn with a sports car perfectly nestled in the background. And then, started arguing with random people commenting on him that he was showing off.

Also said something in 90s I had a Mehran and now I have this and that....lol. Came across insecure.

His quote in that tweet was "Work hard to achieve your dreams". For such a senior seasoned actor it was something unbecoming. Shaan has enjoyed a monopoly in Pakistan which is why he doesn't feel the need to go abroad.
 
The fact that a Turkish show is being forced down our throats and our PM himself is personally promoting it sums up where we stand as a nation today. A laughing stock.
 
It should be noted that the only reason why Imran is cheerleading for this is show is because he wants to please his war criminal friend Erdogan.
 
The fact that a Turkish show is being forced down our throats and our PM himself is personally promoting it sums up where we stand as a nation today. A laughing stock.

That show has millions of views on pretty much every episode on YouTube. Is the government forcing people to log in and watch it on YouTube?

It’s simply just a good show, it’s a hit on Netflix and was a hit not only in other Muslims countries but was also watched a lot in non-Muslim countries. I heard it’s especially popular in Mexico and Venezuela.
 
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Do you know Afghan government has objected to Pakistan missile names because they claim all these guys were Afghani natives. See below

How are the invaders heroes of Pakistan? Sure Mughals like Akbar,Shahjahan Or even Tipu you have a point there because these guys were born in this land and ruled the land so regardless of their ethnicity they can be considered Indians/Pakistanis.

Also you know that ancient Indian epics like the Mahabharat in fact took place in many present areas of Pakistan? How come Ghazini or Etrugul’s life stories are more important to Pakistanis than say Mahabharat? If you takeaway the religious aspect.

https://www.dawn.com/news/180037

We are Muslims and Pakistanis, Islam and being a Pakistani is at the forefront of our existence. We have nothing to do with India now and made sure of this in 1947. We may have connections with Indian Punjabis but our connection to Islam and other ethnicities in Pakistan is more firm. We respect the Indian Punjabi and wish them the best but we are not one of them.

My family is mixed of Punjabi, Pashtun and Kashmiri blood. We have more Pashtuns (twice more) in Pakistan then Afghanistan does. Why cant we use the names of our pashtun heroes? Our claim to these heroes is more firm then anybody elses. If someone has an issue then it is their issue.

Indians need to accept us a separate entity as not doing so will only cause adversity. If you respect us then we will respect you. There is no reason to claim that Islam was forced upon us as many Indian people tend to do; we are content with being a Muslim. Our children will in shallah be a Muslim too. Live and let live as we are happy with the choices our forefathers may have made.
 
That show has millions of views on pretty much every episode on YouTube. Is the government forcing people to log in and watch it on YouTube?

It’s simply just a good show, it’s a hit on Netflix and was a hit not only in other Muslims countries but was also watched a lot in non-Muslim countries. I heard it’s especially popular in Mexico and Venezuela.

The head of states in other countries are not advertising it like Imran Khan has, so yes it is being forced down our throats.

Pakistan has an absurd level of obsession with this show because we want to pretend that our ancestors were Turkish. Pehlay Arbio ko baap banaya, ab Turkiyo ko...
 
The head of states in other countries are not advertising it like Imran Khan has, so yes it is being forced down our throats.

Pakistan has an absurd level of obsession with this show because we want to pretend that our ancestors were Turkish. Pehlay Arbio ko baap banaya, ab Turkiyo ko...

Thats funny.

Have heard countless times about " We are descendants of Arab, Turkish, Persian and other Central Asian invaders " :))
 
Thats funny.

Have heard countless times about " We are descendants of Arab, Turkish, Persian and other Central Asian invaders " :))

People in KP have Afghan and Mughal/Turk ancestry, but it quite amusing to see ethnic Punjabis and Mujahirs trying to latch onto Arabs, Turks and Persians.

You would think that their ancestors came to the shores with Muhammad bin Qasim in the 7th century.
 
People in KP have Afghan and Mughal/Turk ancestry, but it quite amusing to see ethnic Punjabis and Mujahirs trying to latch onto Arabs, Turks and Persians.

You would think that their ancestors came to the shores with Muhammad bin Qasim in the 7th century.


the biggest baradari that would be "foreign" that people in Punjab and Sindh claim is Pathan and Baloch. Not Arab, Persian, and Turk. People like Imran Khan and Shiren Mazari dont need a certificate from people of KPK and Baluchistan about there heritage.

Second those Arabs, Turks and Persians who invaded, settled into North India which historically includes Punjab and Sindh. They made it there home and intermarried with the people there. They never left, and therefore they are not foreigners. And since they were the Muslim elite of North India, the other Muslims were assimilated into there culture. So of course they will identify with it. you can read on Indo-Persian culture for more information.
 
Thats funny.

Have heard countless times about " We are descendants of Arab, Turkish, Persian and other Central Asian invaders " :))

Same way only a small amount of Hindus are upper caste, only a small amount of Muslims would have came with the invaders and been of Afghan , Turk, Persian descent. However since those were the Muslim elite, the other common Muslims assimilated into there culture. And now after centuries its impossible to know who those people are.
 
The head of states in other countries are not advertising it like Imran Khan has, so yes it is being forced down our throats.

Pakistan has an absurd level of obsession with this show because we want to pretend that our ancestors were Turkish. Pehlay Arbio ko baap banaya, ab Turkiyo ko...

The day Pakistanis care about a non Muslim Arab or non Muslim Turk show you can make that accusation. Otherwise its complete nonsense. If you make a show on African Muslims Pakistanis will watch it. If you make a show on Indonesian Muslims Pakistanis will watch it. If you make a show on South Indian Muslims Pakistanis will watch it. Its not hard to understand Pakistanis care about things related to Muslims.
 
People in KP have Afghan and Mughal/Turk ancestry, but it quite amusing to see ethnic Punjabis and Mujahirs trying to latch onto Arabs, Turks and Persians.

You would think that their ancestors came to the shores with Muhammad bin Qasim in the 7th century.

Well my ancestors migrated from Yemen - we have a very detailed shajra nasab so its not amusing at all.
 
The head of states in other countries are not advertising it like Imran Khan has, so yes it is being forced down our throats.

Pakistan has an absurd level of obsession with this show because we want to pretend that our ancestors were Turkish. Pehlay Arbio ko baap banaya, ab Turkiyo ko...

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Malaysian queen says 'can't get enough' of Turkish series
https://www.dailysabah.com/arts-cul...-queen-says-cant-get-enough-of-turkish-series

I guess the Venezuelan president and Malaysian queen also want to be Turks lol. Not everything is as deep as you think, it's a good show that's why most watch it.
 
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Lol at Mamoon's fetish to use any topic, subject to bash IK, PTI or criticize the Pakistani nation.
 
Yasir Hussain calls Ertuğrul stars ‘international garbage’

In a recent Instagram story, television actor Yasir Hussain shared a tweet featuring pictures of the two Pakistani individuals who share immense resemblance to the Diriliş: Ertuğrul actors. The tweet deemed them as the ‘Pakistani Turgut and Pakistani Ertuğrul.’

In response to the tweet, Hussain expressed how they could never get the same importance as their Turkish counterparts. “Inko koi nahi poochyga (no one will pay heed to them),” he wrote. “Kyunke ghar ki murgi daal barabar or bahar ka kachra bhi maal barabar (Because home cooked chicken is equivalent to lentils while international garbage is still worth cashing in),” added the celebrity.

Following the circulation of the screenshot of his story, actor Anoushey Ashraf responded to Hussain’s remarks in the comment section of a local magazine’s post.

“Let’s just gently remind Yasir that no one is Kachra (garbage) for one,” she said. “And even if their work isn’t at par to his liking, actors from around the world must be respected,” she added.

Ashraf then elaborated on the “unspoken bond of mutual respect” that artists from around the world must share, given everyone has their own struggles. “Having said that, Ertuğrul is far from garbage, if anything the series is an eye opener,” she added.

The actor believes that ever since Diriliş: Ertuğrul aired on PTV, viewers have begun questioning and rejecting the ‘garbage’ content they are being fed otherwise. “People are finally rejecting ‘kachra’ work at home and looking out for better scripts, shows and budgets,” said Ashraf.

And conclude her point, she pointed out how the people in the picture shared received the attention they did because of the serial, and not because of anybody in Pakistan. “So thanks to the foreign drama that inspiring these guys to come forward. There are always pros and cons to every situation, let’s just look at the good sometimes,” Ashraf concluded.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2262639/yasir-hussain-calls-ertugrul-stars-international-garbage
 
lol at Yasir Hussain. He is one of the worst actors I have seen. What does he know about quality productions and acting?
 
Totally agree with Yasir Hussain.

This mediocre drama is nothing but overrated propaganda and Pakistanis obsession with it is embarrassing.

These actors are milking our nadeeda nation and must be laughing all the way to the bank.

That actress, whatever her name is, is currently featuring in Jazz ads. She is making a fortune from Pakistan’s obsession.

First we were descendants of Arabs. Now we are descendants of Turks.

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Well my ancestors migrated from Yemen - we have a very detailed shajra nasab so its not amusing at all.

My maternal side also have a very detailed shajra nasab dating back to I think (I am not so sure) 1500 yearsto Arabia (they're Syed so they needed the "verification")

But my mom and I did DNA testing and guess what we are mostly indian..

Because of intermarriages between locals groups and migrants no one is racially "pure" unless a group is into cousin marriages (and if you're doing it for that long like 100s of years than consequences of that action are severe)
 
Well my ancestors migrated from Yemen - we have a very detailed shajra nasab so its not amusing at all.

Are you a dawoodi bohra? Very close knit community, know some personally who tell their ancestors are from yemen and they still visit yemen.
 
Local television is a joke. Guys like Yasir Hussain or Shaan cant act.

Pakistani film industry is filled with people who had good looks. Barely anyone of them went to acting school or even did dramas at school

Actors in foreign countries dont become actors only cause of looks. They have to take high school drama courses, join clubs and take part in after school theater.

Real actors really have to work hard to get to the point of fame. Pakistani so called actors are not actors. They are models who get acting contracts due to their looks.

Yasir Hussain or Shan can keep complaining, but people will prefer shows like Ertagul because of the acting.
 
People in KP have Afghan and Mughal/Turk ancestry, but it quite amusing to see ethnic Punjabis and Mujahirs trying to latch onto Arabs, Turks and Persians.

You would think that their ancestors came to the shores with Muhammad bin Qasim in the 7th century.

:)) This is soo true.

I have seen people who take sooo much pride in their cast, such a stupid thing.
Whats funny is that most of the arab cast that exist in Pakistan are made up.

There are people who pretend to be syeds just to get respect in the community. There are people who claim to be qureshi because that is what their dad or grandfather told them. Same for sheikhs aswell.

Arab cast are veryyy old, so you never know if they are true or not. Anyone of the ancestors could had claimed that i am from flana cast and after that everyone follows that.

Anyways, if you belong from syed, qureshi, sheikh(arab cast) or memon, niazi, malik(pakistani casts) people take pride in those and place it with their name.
But someone belonging from the kanjar or marasi cast can never take pride in it and have to hide it.
 
My maternal side also have a very detailed shajra nasab dating back to I think (I am not so sure) 1500 yearsto Arabia (they're Syed so they needed the "verification")

But my mom and I did DNA testing and guess what we are mostly indian..

Because of intermarriages between locals groups and migrants no one is racially "pure" unless a group is into cousin marriages (and if you're doing it for that long like 100s of years than consequences of that action are severe)

This whole Syed thing is a joke. It's a myth similar to the one started by the Arains of how they are descended from Muhammad Bin Qasim's army. The Syed's of the sub-continent do not trace their lineage back to the Prophet's family nor to the Arabs.

Why were these myths perpetuated? It was done so lower status communities could achieve upward mobility specially during the colonial era. Colonial ethnographers used to prepare ethnographic data of the subject populations. The primary reason for this data was to identify who owned land and once you identify that you can identify potential revenues. This data was also used to identify where land would go once the current owner was no longer there and to identify inheritance patterns. Various clans or tribes or castes (whatever you want to call it) were concerned about the type of history the colonial ethnographers were producing and so out of this desire of correcting the "colonial perception" of "our communities". These communities came up with their own histories to counter the colonial perception.

There have been several studies conducted to assess the authenticity of the claimed ancestry of Syeds. If all Syeds really are in direct descent from Hassan and Hussein, the expectation would be that the Y chromosomes of Syeds would be less diverse than those of non-Syeds. Outside the Arab world, we would also expect to find that Syeds share Y chromosomes with Arab populations to a greater extent than they do with their non-Syed geographic neighbours. However, studies have found that the Y chromosomes of self-identified Syeds from India and Pakistan are no less diverse than those non-Syeds from the same regions, suggesting that there is no biological basis to the belief that self-identified Syeds in this part of the world share a recent common ancestry.
 
Local television is a joke. Guys like Yasir Hussain or Shaan cant act.

Pakistani film industry is filled with people who had good looks. Barely anyone of them went to acting school or even did dramas at school

Actors in foreign countries dont become actors only cause of looks. They have to take high school drama courses, join clubs and take part in after school theater.

Real actors really have to work hard to get to the point of fame. Pakistani so called actors are not actors. They are models who get acting contracts due to their looks.

Yasir Hussain or Shan can keep complaining, but people will prefer shows like Ertagul because of the acting.

That’s not true.

Pakistan has some brilliant actors including Shan, and it is not just about looks.

Fawad Khan, Adnan Siddiqui, Hamza Abbasi, Faisal Qureshi, Humayun Saeed, Ahad Raza Mir, Mikaal Zulfiqar etc. are top actors.

There is also a category of brilliant actors who have no looks but have been very successful such as Waseem Abbas, Gohar Rasheed and
Saleem Mairaj.

In the previous generation you had people like Talat Hussain, Qazi Wajid, Qavi, Abid Ali, Rahat Kazmi, Mehmood Aslam etc. are/were brilliant.

Yes there are plenty of average actors as well such as Yasir Hussain, Osman Khalid Butt, Imran Abbas etc., but you will find such actors in every industry.

Our big problem is our script-writing which is usually mediocre. Most of our actors are excellent and the directors do a very good job in high budget projects as well.
 
That’s not true.

Pakistan has some brilliant actors including Shan, and it is not just about looks.

Fawad Khan, Adnan Siddiqui, Hamza Abbasi, Faisal Qureshi, Humayun Saeed, Ahad Raza Mir, Mikaal Zulfiqar etc. are top actors.

There is also a category of brilliant actors who have no looks but have been very successful such as Waseem Abbas, Gohar Rasheed and
Saleem Mairaj.

In the previous generation you had people like Talat Hussain, Qazi Wajid, Qavi, Abid Ali, Rahat Kazmi, Mehmood Aslam etc. are/were brilliant.

Yes there are plenty of average actors as well such as Yasir Hussain, Osman Khalid Butt, Imran Abbas etc., but you will find such actors in every industry.

Our big problem is our script-writing which is usually mediocre. Most of our actors are excellent and the directors do a very good job in high budget projects as well.

come on, Fawad Khan and Shan are joke of actors. They dont know how to act. Hamza Abbasi just makes a dumb face with a dumb pose and calls it acting.

Fawad Khan was a singer and Hamza ALi Abbasi probably never went to theater or acting school.
They are just actors beased on looks.

Yes, Shan went to such schools, but he is still not as good of an actor as hollywood or even bollywood actor.

Now you have a guy like Fahad Mustafa who is a great host. Knows how to host an event, but than because of his skin color and looks you make him an actor.
They even casted Atif Aslam in BOL :)).
 
People in KP have Afghan and Mughal/Turk ancestry, but it quite amusing to see ethnic Punjabis and Mujahirs trying to latch onto Arabs, Turks and Persians.

You would think that their ancestors came to the shores with Muhammad bin Qasim in the 7th century.

You're an educated guy but your comment reeks of racism and elitism. KP is part of Pakistan but you also seem to be ignorant of the Indic provinces of Pakistan such as Punjab and Sindh. KPK just like Punjab and Sindh was also an Indic province not too long ago, it was known as gandhara and Hindko was the majority language. So why is it more believable that people from KP can have foreign heritage but not people from the Indus plains when in reality all of these regions were also invaded. I'm not saying people from Punjab, Sindh or Muslim Indians/Bengalis have Turkic or Arab heritage but even if they do why does that bother you? Also what evidence do you have that people in KP have turkic heritage? Are you using fair skin as evidence even though there is no genaological evidence? On most DNA tests Pashtuns from Pakistan are actually not that different from Punjabis, Sindhis and Kashmiris- they literally cluster around each other, there may be physical differences due to climatic adaptations but if you're acting like you're some totally different foreign race then you're deluded.

Also I've come cross your old comments where you claimed you were half Hindkowan - who by the way are a Punjabi subgroup and mostly belong to clans that are found in Punjab (such as Awans, Abassis etc) but you also claim to be a Pashtun a "Khilji", what evidence do you have that you're a Khilji, a you a Pakistani from Peshawar can claim to be a Khilji then a Lahori or a Karachiite can also claim to be a Mughal or a Durrani based off what their grandparents told them, why are you given a pass but Indic muslims are not? I feel like you're using "white skin" and "facial features" as an argument when it holds no weight when it comes to anthropology, just because someone doesn't look like their ancestor doesn't mean they're a self-hater for acknowledging them. I'll give you an example, Kamala Harris is a prominent African-American politician that is also half indian, she can somewhat pass as both but turns out she's a also descendant of Hamilton Brown - a well known Irish slaveowner in Jamaica, she obviously does not look white but would it make her a self hater if claimed she was 1/16th Irish? Of course not, it's just a fact of history. Now if you're claiming that it's a form of self-hate then you're actually subconsciously attributing value to white skin beacuse you're like "Oh how dare these brownies claim a foreign lineage, they think they're white!!!" but imagine if it was the other way around, you wouldn't say that.



Well my ancestors migrated from Yemen - we have a very detailed shajra nasab so its not amusing at all.

Exactly, I'm well aware of the Bohra communities heritage. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Pakistan is a large and diverse country especially the Indus plains, you shouldn't look down on people and educate yourself about the diversity. For example the Bohra community in Karachi which migrated from Gujarat has a well documented Yemeni lineage, in fact it's supported by genetic studies. I remember reading a paper by a prominent anthropoligst/genetic researcher that the Bohra community had also stayed in Burma and made their way to India before migrating from Yemen, so they had mixed up with people along the way. Are you gonna claim that they're "fabricating" their heritage to "upgrade" themselves just cause they acknowlege. I believe the Bohra's are one of the few communities in Pakistan that also consume camel meat.
 
You're an educated guy but your comment reeks of racism and elitism. KP is part of Pakistan but you also seem to be ignorant of the Indic provinces of Pakistan such as Punjab and Sindh. KPK just like Punjab and Sindh was also an Indic province not too long ago, it was known as gandhara and Hindko was the majority language. So why is it more believable that people from KP can have foreign heritage but not people from the Indus plains when in reality all of these regions were also invaded. I'm not saying people from Punjab, Sindh or Muslim Indians/Bengalis have Turkic or Arab heritage but even if they do why does that bother you? Also what evidence do you have that people in KP have turkic heritage? Are you using fair skin as evidence even though there is no genaological evidence? On most DNA tests Pashtuns from Pakistan are actually not that different from Punjabis, Sindhis and Kashmiris- they literally cluster around each other, there may be physical differences due to climatic adaptations but if you're acting like you're some totally different foreign race then you're deluded.

Also I've come cross your old comments where you claimed you were half Hindkowan - who by the way are a Punjabi subgroup and mostly belong to clans that are found in Punjab (such as Awans, Abassis etc) but you also claim to be a Pashtun a "Khilji", what evidence do you have that you're a Khilji, a you a Pakistani from Peshawar can claim to be a Khilji then a Lahori or a Karachiite can also claim to be a Mughal or a Durrani based off what their grandparents told them, why are you given a pass but Indic muslims are not? I feel like you're using "white skin" and "facial features" as an argument when it holds no weight when it comes to anthropology, just because someone doesn't look like their ancestor doesn't mean they're a self-hater for acknowledging them. I'll give you an example, Kamala Harris is a prominent African-American politician that is also half indian, she can somewhat pass as both but turns out she's a also descendant of Hamilton Brown - a well known Irish slaveowner in Jamaica, she obviously does not look white but would it make her a self hater if claimed she was 1/16th Irish? Of course not, it's just a fact of history. Now if you're claiming that it's a form of self-hate then you're actually subconsciously attributing value to white skin beacuse you're like "Oh how dare these brownies claim a foreign lineage, they think they're white!!!" but imagine if it was the other way around, you wouldn't say that.





Exactly, I'm well aware of the Bohra communities heritage. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Pakistan is a large and diverse country especially the Indus plains, you shouldn't look down on people and educate yourself about the diversity. For example the Bohra community in Karachi which migrated from Gujarat has a well documented Yemeni lineage, in fact it's supported by genetic studies. I remember reading a paper by a prominent anthropoligst/genetic researcher that the Bohra community had also stayed in Burma and made their way to India before migrating from Yemen, so they had mixed up with people along the way. Are you gonna claim that they're "fabricating" their heritage to "upgrade" themselves just cause they acknowlege. I believe the Bohra's are one of the few communities in Pakistan that also consume camel meat.

Not that I care about my lineage, but I am Khilji paternally and Peshawari maternally.
 
come on, Fawad Khan and Shan are joke of actors. They dont know how to act. Hamza Abbasi just makes a dumb face with a dumb pose and calls it acting.

Fawad Khan was a singer and Hamza ALi Abbasi probably never went to theater or acting school.
They are just actors beased on looks.

Yes, Shan went to such schools, but he is still not as good of an actor as hollywood or even bollywood actor.

Now you have a guy like Fahad Mustafa who is a great host. Knows how to host an event, but than because of his skin color and looks you make him an actor.
They even casted Atif Aslam in BOL :)).

Watch Fawad Khan in Humsafar and Kapoor & Sons. Brilliant acting.

Hamza Abbasi was top notch in Alif and Shan has plenty of great work as well.

You are seriously underrating Pakistani actors.
 
Not that I care about my lineage, but I am Khilji paternally and Peshawari maternally.

But you have no evidence of being a Khilji and have no response to the rest of my post. Your comment was elitist and reeked of racial supremacy. Everyone has a right to acknowledge their heritage whether it's Bengali or Persian or Japanese, so why do you think you have the right to mock "Desi Muslims". If you question someones lineage then they have every right to question yours, you're not superior buddy.
 
Not that I care about my lineage, but I am Khilji paternally and Peshawari maternally.

Is Khilji derived from Ghilzai, as in the Pashtun tribes traditionally being seen as either from the Durrani confederacy or the Ghilzai.
 
Peshawarys are Hindkowans so by extension - Punjabis. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mocking "Ethnic punjabis" (which isn't even a thing) is a form of self-hate.
 
Is Khilji derived from Ghilzai, as in the Pashtun tribes traditionally being seen as either from the Durrani confederacy or the Ghilzai.

Dude why give credence to his claims of being a Khilji, he's mocking Desi Muslims for acknowlegeding their lineage yet for some reason we should accept his claims because "fair skin". :))
 
Oh my lord. Finally Mamoon stepping in to defend Pakistan when their entertainment output is being threatened by a Turkish Ottoman empire show rather than Bollywood crap. Oh wait.....
 
But you have no evidence of being a Khilji and have no response to the rest of my post. Your comment was elitist and reeked of racial supremacy. Everyone has a right to acknowledge their heritage whether it's Bengali or Persian or Japanese, so why do you think you have the right to mock "Desi Muslims". If you question someones lineage then they have every right to question yours, you're not superior buddy.

My evidence is the family tree that my father worked out who seems to care a lot about these things and takes great pride in his lineage.

Personally I don’t care about it because even if my lineage is something to be proud of, I am today a Pakistani which is nothing to be proud of.

So whatever my actual lineage is - Khilji or not - means nothing to be. I only lament the fact that I am now a Pakistani.
 
So the Khiljis are a Pashtun tribe that claim they have Turkic heritage just like any mughal from India but of course we should accept it because of colorism.

The Khaljis of the Khalji Dynasty were of Pashtun and Turkic descent whose ancestors, the Khalaj, are said to have migrated from Central Asia and settled in southern and eastern regions of modern day Afghanistan for over 200 years before finally moving to India.They were treated entirely as Pashtuns by the Turkic nobles of the Delhi Sultanate during the reign of the Khalji Sultanate.


Also what evidence is there that username [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] actually belongs to this tribe:)) btw I found out Alauddin Khilji was born in Bengal thus making him a Bengali by birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alauddin_Khalji
 
Peshawarys are Hindkowans so by extension - Punjabis. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mocking "Ethnic punjabis" (which isn't even a thing) is a form of self-hate.

Yeah, hindkowans are descendants of Sikhs.
 
So the Khiljis are a Pashtun tribe that claim they have Turkic heritage just like any mughal from India but of course we should accept it because of colorism.

The Khaljis of the Khalji Dynasty were of Pashtun and Turkic descent whose ancestors, the Khalaj, are said to have migrated from Central Asia and settled in southern and eastern regions of modern day Afghanistan for over 200 years before finally moving to India.They were treated entirely as Pashtuns by the Turkic nobles of the Delhi Sultanate during the reign of the Khalji Sultanate.


Also what evidence is there that username [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] actually belongs to this tribe:)) btw I found out Alauddin Khilji was born in Bengal thus making him a Bengali by birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alauddin_Khalji

Why do you care for “evidence” when even I don’t? I could be anyone’s descendent. My only problem now is that I am a Pakistani.
 
My evidence is the family tree that my father worked out who seems to care a lot about these things and takes great pride in his lineage.

Personally I don’t care about it because even if my lineage is something to be proud of, I am today a Pakistani which is nothing to be proud of.

So whatever my actual lineage is - Khilji or not - means nothing to be. I only lament the fact that I am now a Pakistani.
Yes, the same Punjabi, Sindhi and Muhajir Muslims you're making fun of also have a family tree. Why is your father's claim believable but those of other Pakistanis not? There's so many holes in your reasoning.
 
Why do you care for “evidence” when even I don’t? I could be anyone’s descendent. My only problem now is that I am a Pakistani.

Because you insulted South Asian Muslims and claimed that people of KP (NWFP *) actually have these foreign ancestries but desi muslims claiming these are "self-haters". There's no evidence either way. Now you wanna play the "I am just Pakistani" card.
 
Ghilzai/Ghilzay, the Pashtun tribe.

The apocryphal tale of the three sons of Qais Abdul Rashid being the progenitors of the three Pashtun confederacies is a fascinating one. Not sure if this distinction matters much these days.
 
Yeah, hindkowans are descendants of Sikhs.

No they're not, you seriously ignorant of your own heritage, Hindkowan is just a linguistic group - most of them are Punjabi Muslims belonging to various clans that have been Muslim for centuries or atleast since the Islamic invasions beginning around 1000 AD, Sikhism as a religion only came around 400 years and the descendants of Ranjit Singh's army in Peshawar weren't Hindkowans but actual central Punjabis from the doab and mahja regions, they retained their religion.
 
Yes, the same Punjabi, Sindhi and Muhajir Muslims you're making fun of also have a family tree. Why is your father's claim believable but those of other Pakistanis not? There's so many holes in your reasoning.

I have a family tree and I don’t do bhangra over Turkish achievements.

If others have a family tree that traces back to Turks and they do bhangra over achievements that are not theirs, well I don’t agree with that but they still have some basis.

But most people don’t have a clue about their family tree. They have no idea about their lineage, but they do bhangra over Arabs and Turks because of religious reasons.

These people could have their descendants looted and plundered by the likes of Bin Qasim and Mahmood Ghaznavi, Ahmad Shah Durrani etc. but they would now do bhangra over foreigner invaders simply because they are Muslims.

So if you want to celebrate foreign achievements and take credit, at least make an effort to trace your lineage instead of being parai shaadi me Abdullah deewana.
 
Dude why give credence to his claims of being a Khilji, he's mocking Desi Muslims for acknowlegeding their lineage yet for some reason we should accept his claims because "fair skin". :))

Mamoon and I go way back. It’s been a while since I shot the breeze with him.
 
The apocryphal tale of the three sons of Qais Abdul Rashid being the progenitors of the three Pashtun confederacies is a fascinating one. Not sure if this distinction matters much these days.

Ironically Pashtun nationalists also claim to be either a "lost tribe of Israel" or descendants of Alexander the great's army :)) although both theories have been debunked by genetic studies, even the Syeds of the Pashtun belt also mainly have native ancestry. For some reason the Afghan national anthem mentions Arabs as one of their nations based off the theory that some Afghans have Arab heritage, apparently Afghans claiming Arab heritage is not self-hate but Pakistani and Indian Muslims claiming the same are "ashamed of their roots". [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
Oh by the way, since we’re discussing lineages, my ancestors were from Thurkey, and I can prove it with my antics.
 
Because you insulted South Asian Muslims and claimed that people of KP (NWFP *) actually have these foreign ancestries but desi muslims claiming these are "self-haters". There's no evidence either way. Now you wanna play the "I am just Pakistani" card.

There is evidence. The family tree worked out by my father is sufficient evidence for me. Most large, historically elite families in KP have family trees because it is a source of pride for them.

But most families in Pakistan have not worked out their family trees. Hence, there is no basis or evidence of their lineage. If they choose to celebrate foreign achievements, they do it purely from the perspective of religion.
 
There is evidence. The family tree worked out by my father is sufficient evidence for me. Most large, historically elite families in KP have family trees because it is a source of pride for them.

But most families in Pakistan have not worked out their family trees. Hence, there is no basis or evidence of their lineage. If they choose to celebrate foreign achievements, they do it purely from the perspective of religion.

Do you believe that family tree to be valid?
 
There is evidence. The family tree worked out by my father is sufficient evidence for me. Most large, historically elite families in KP have family trees because it is a source of pride for them.

But most families in Pakistan have not worked out their family trees. Hence, there is no basis or evidence of their lineage. If they choose to celebrate foreign achievements, they do it purely from the perspective of religion.

Once again what evidence do you have? You don't know anything about Punjab or Karachi, elite families in Punjab, Sindh and other parts of the subcontinent have a whole family tree aka shajra and what not about their heritage, you have no idea about us and our heritage. I don't care about my ancestry but your're acting like only your people have done their research lmao, you need to seriously learn more about your countrymen from other regions instead having this superiority complex.
 
Ironically Pashtun nationalists also claim to be either a "lost tribe of Israel" or descendants of Alexander the great's army :)) although both theories have been debunked by genetic studies, even the Syeds of the Pashtun belt also mainly have native ancestry. For some reason the Afghan national anthem mentions Arabs as one of their nations based off the theory that some Afghans have Arab heritage, apparently Afghans claiming Arab heritage is not self-hate but Pakistani and Indian Muslims claiming the same are "ashamed of their roots". [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

The Lost Tribe of Israel theory, like the common descent from Qais Abdul Rashid theory (who supposedly embraced Islam at the hand of the prophet) may well be debunked, but they’re fascinating all the same from an anthropological point of view, in that they influenced how the Pashtuns viewed themselves over the centuries.
 
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