Shadab Khan should be dropped for his own benefit

[BunnyRabbit]

Shadab's bowling has regressed alarmingly in last 1 year.
His variations are easily read while his leg spinner is still as novice as a part timer.
Although his batting is steady and improving as far as far as shorter formats are concerned.
Should be dropped and sent to NCA to work on his bowling(as there is no domestic cricket available amidst the pandemic)

I am afraid he would become just another shoaib malik with how his bowling is going.

 

[Rana]

He got Banton out eventually . Spinners have games where they are taken to the cleaners. Doesn’t mean jack all.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He got Banton out eventually . Spinners have games where they are taken to the cleaners. Doesn’t mean jack all.

Doesn't change the fact his bowling is regressing. It's not about just one game, look at how he has bowled in last one year including PSL.

 

[IMMY69]

Very soon shadab should be Plath g all three formats regularly

The amount of talent this guy has in all three facets of the game, we simply can’t afford to waste it.

He needs to be given a batting position and given certain overs to bowl every game... eventually he will win you game’s with both bat and ball

 

[Rana]

Don’t buy it. Nearly every country in the world would have Shadab Khan in their T20i side. He’s a leg spinner who bats and fields like a gun.

Back him all the way, getting smashed for sixes is bread and butter for spinners

 

[shamaan]

Don’t buy it. Nearly every country in the world would have Shadab Khan in their T20i side. He’s a leg spinner who bats and fields like a gun.

Back him all the way, getting smashed for sixes is bread and butter for spinners

Agreed he would get in every team baring india

 

[shamaan]

Doesn't change the fact his bowling is regressing. It's not about just one game, look at how he has bowled in last one year including PSL.

Stats ?

 

[Rana]

Agreed he would get in every team baring india

Virat Kohli can choose if he wants Kuldeep and Chahal who are top bowlers, or Shadab who is a promising bowler but is electric in the field and can actually bat. That too on the phattas they play on 70% of their cricket.

 

[RazaBadmash]

Shadab's bowling has regressed alarmingly in last 1 year.
His variations are easily read while his leg spinner is still as novice as a part timer.
Although his batting is steady and improving as far as far as shorter formats are concerned.
Should be dropped and sent to NCA to work on his bowling(as there is no domestic cricket available amidst the pandemic)

I am afraid he would become just another shoaib malik with how his bowling is going.

Don’t understand why people criticize players who perform. Give the guy credit he gave up runs but Didn’t quit, he played harder, took two wickets and a run out. Positive on the field and great temperament. He’s a proper athlete and cricketer and he’s still young and is gaining more and more experience!!! Their will be up and owns but we need to Back him up and support him!!

 

[sharmaji]

India doesn't have a great T20 team. The batsmen can't bowl and the bowlers can't bat. Only Jadeja and Hardik Pandya are the allrounders but they are often quite ineffective. A spin allrounder of Shadab's calibre would be welcome in the current Indian team.

Agreed he would get in every team baring india

 

[ManFan]

I think he should work on his batting so he can play in all three formats.

His bowling is one-dimensional since he doesn’t have a great stock ball.

 

[shamaan]

Virat Kohli can choose if he wants Kuldeep and Chahal who are top bowlers, or Shadab who is a promising bowler but is electric in the field and can actually bat. That too on the phattas they play on 70% of their cricket.

About jadeja ?

 

[aloo paratha]

Came back well. 2-33 in 4 overs isn't bad at all. Still though, I feel eventually batting will become his main strength. He can be at 4 or 5 in T20s instead of Malik or Hafeez.

 

[sweep_shot]

I feel only one from Shadab and Imam should play. Both shouldn't play.

 

[Rana]

About jadeja ?

Would be fascinating to have them both. Shadab will finish as the better cricketer IMO. Jadeja’s fielding is the best and his bowling has been brilliant recently, but this came after years and years of development and trust. So I recon this is what Pakistan need to do with Shadab. The boy should be playing all limited overs games for us

 

[Rana]

Came back well. 2-33 in 4 overs isn't bad at all. Still though, I feel eventually batting will become his main strength. He can be at 4 or 5 in T20s instead of Malik or Hafeez.

He will bowl a lot more than those two chuckers. You will see, trust in the young lad will produce a clutch spin bowler by the age of 26-27. He will mature as a bowler and naturally become a batsman

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Shadab came back spectacularly from Banton punishment. Not just the wickets but how he changed his line to wide of off stump and he slowed his bowling speed to make the most of the grip in the pitch.

He isn't going anywhere but he really does need to sort out his nothing balls that go for six. Getting hit for 6 is OK but not so often and not if it is not to a plan.

 

[Firebat]

His batting is still seriously underrated. 2-33 in 4 overs of a T20 match isn't as horrible as people make it sound, and 21 year-olds usually get better and better with experience. We complain about the seniors of the team, at least back the younger guys for at least a fraction of the games that the seniors were backed for.

 

[Mamoon]

People who are comparing him to Jadeja need to understand that Jadeja reinvented himself as a genuine spinner who could do a job with the bat.

Shadab at this point doesn’t have a clue about his strong suit (batting or bowling) other than acting in the field.

In order to have success in the long-term, he will have to reinvent himself as a batting all-rounder or a bowling all-rounder.

At the moment, he bats like a glorified tail-ender and bowls like a glorified part-timer.

 

[Yk313]

Don’t watch PSL closely, or much T20 for that matter, so take this with a pinch of salt.

Looks to have reasonably good temperament, maybe needs to work a little bit on his leg spinner in terms of accuracy and repetition. Improved his faster one quite a bit and it showed in the world cup.

Overall, has improved his batting quite a bit and is decent enough to not be discarded. Ideally far from it, because his LOI temperament is quite good with both, bat and ball. Moreover, if others are doing a holding job, I wouldn’t even mind if he conceded 40 but got 3-4 wickets.

 

[Mamoon]

Jadeja’s place in the Indian team was only cemented after the series vs Australia in 2012-13 where he finished with the second most wickets.

He made his Limited Overs debut in 2009 when he was 21, but he didn’t become a fixture in the Test team until he proved himself to be a genuine specialist spinner.

India clearly didn’t subscribe to the rubbish “sum of the parts” or whatever nonsense people promote to justify the selection of Shadab in the Test side.

He needs to go back to FC cricket and bowl long spells and bat for long periods of time.

 

[topspin]

Jadeja’s place in the Indian team was only cemented after the series vs Australia in 2012-13 where he finished with the second most wickets.

He made his Limited Overs debut in 2009 when he was 21, but he didn’t become a fixture in the Test team until he proved himself to be a genuine specialist spinner.

India clearly didn’t subscribe to the rubbish “sum of the parts” or whatever nonsense people promote to justify the selection of Shadab in the Test side.

He needs to go back to FC cricket and bowl long spells and bat for long periods of time.

Do you see Shadab coming up the ranks if he spends a couple of years or so in FC?

 

[shamaan]

Would be fascinating to have them both. Shadab will finish as the better cricketer IMO. Jadeja’s fielding is the best and his bowling has been brilliant recently, but this came after years and years of development and trust. So I recon this is what Pakistan need to do with Shadab. The boy should be playing all limited overs games for us

Development and pakistan dont look or seen right lol

 

[Shoaibbtt]

This is my thing on Shadab you need to start playing him higher up the order which occupied currently by the gutless Shoaib Malik i.e. no. 4. He's improved as a batsman greatly but look with an allrounder you won't always get both from them. For instance Afridi great bowler but terrible batsman, unless we unearth a Ben Stokes/Shakib ul Hasan level of player we are stuck. Shadab is good but we need to start nurturing his batting talent as he's shown his keenness to do better. If as a bowler he gets no wickets or 1 wicket at an Econ Rate of 7.50 in his 4 overs i'll be happy enough.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

His batting is still seriously underrated. 2-33 in 4 overs of a T20 match isn't as horrible as people make it sound, and 21 year-olds usually get better and better with experience. We complain about the seniors of the team, at least back the younger guys for at least a fraction of the games that the seniors were backed for.

Exactly. He is potentially the second best power hitter in the side after Iftikhar if we are talking about T20's.

Shadab needs to believe in himself and bat more often in the middle order otherwise his progress will be stalled. People on this forum really underestimate Shadab's worth and future potential.

The only mistake he himself has made thus far is choosing T20 leagues over FC cricket. He needs FC cricket and the batting hours to become that firm number 6 in Tests for Pakistan. If someone can talk to him about this then there is nothing stopping Shadab from reaching his potential in every format.

 

[Forum363]

He is the best fielder in the history of Pakistan cricket at age 21.

His batting has shown more improvement of any batsman that Pakistan have debuted over the last 15 years with the exception of Babar.

His bowling remains a concern but how many spinners are world class at 21? He is bowling is adequate enough now to justify a place in the limited over team, when considering the other facets he brings to the the table.

All in all, he has a long long way to go, but he has the potential to be the mainstay in all formats for us for the next decade plus along with Babar and Shaheen.

 

[Ami]

He needs to be given a proper chance in all formats..he is one for the future.

Too much continuous negative vibes from so called experts.

 

[Abdullah]

Lol. Needs to be playing all 3 formats.
Number 7 in tests, 4 in t20s and 5/6 in odis.
He needs to become a batting all-rounder. And he has the potential to be a bloody good one, because his bowling is actually decent

 

[Wreck_It_Rauf]

Look at England's batting depth in T20's. We have no other leg spinner who can compete with Shadab in all 3 departments. He might go for runs but he's young and is a good investment until someone better appears. Should we include Gohar or Nawaz? No point even entertaining that thought as it won't happen. Misbah has his favourites and will stick with them through thick and thin.

 

[hitthestump]

He will bowl a lot more than those two chuckers. You will see, trust in the young lad will produce a clutch spin bowler by the age of 26-27. He will mature as a bowler and naturally become a batsman

This is way too late. He's been learning on the job since 19 - he's nearly 22 now. His legspin hasn't improved and i wonder if that's because he hasn't been able to experiment with his lengths and variations down at FC level.

I am unsure whether chucking in our youngsters in at the deep end has actually produced any great cricketers yet or if we're stifling their potential too soon. Shaheen is another who doesn't look like the finished article yet despite decent international exposure, while guys like Naseem are joining a long list of inexperienced youngsters who fade away after promising starts.

 

[Forum363]

This is way too late. He's been learning on the job since 19 - he's nearly 22 now. His legspin hasn't improved and i wonder if that's because he hasn't been able to experiment with his lengths and variations down at FC level.

I am unsure whether chucking in our youngsters in at the deep end has actually produced any great cricketers yet or if we're stifling their potential too soon. Shaheen is another who doesn't look like the finished article yet despite decent international exposure, while guys like Naseem are joining a long list of inexperienced youngsters who fade away after promising starts.

Can you explain how Naseem has ‘faded away’ after a promising start? He’s played 3 series. Debut in harsh Australian pitches, performed well at home and then failed in his first England series.

And yes you’re completely right. Shaheen has had a year or so international exposure - he should already be the finished article. It doesn’t matter that he’s 20 years old. Remind me where the likes of Anderson and Steyn were when they were 20? Or even when they’d had a year or so in international cricket?

And Shadab has been playing since he’s 19. So he should be doing what no spinner has managed to do in the history of the game and be a top bowler consistently at age 21/22? I don’t know if you’re serious in this post or just trolling..

 

[Junaids]

Pakistan are unbelievably blessed to have Shadab, Shaheen and Naseem aged 21 and under.

Shadab gets all this hate because, like Kohli, he is not deferential to inferior seniors.

There is no reason for Shadab to bow down to Hafeez or Shoaib Malik or Misbah.

Shadab is better at his job than they are at theirs. It’s about time they showed him the respect that his performances have earned.

 

[MMHS]

People who are comparing him to Jadeja need to understand that Jadeja reinvented himself as a genuine spinner who could do a job with the bat.

Shadab at this point doesn’t have a clue about his strong suit (batting or bowling) other than acting in the field.

In order to have success in the long-term, he will have to reinvent himself as a batting all-rounder or a bowling all-rounder.

At the moment, he bats like a glorified tail-ender and bowls like a glorified part-timer.

After 49 Tests, if Shadab indeed can score around 1900 runs at 35 and take 213 wickets at U25..... he’ll justify the hype - I didn’t even mention Jadeja’s fielding,

 

[Varun]

Shadab gets all this hate because, like Kohli, he is not deferential to inferior seniors.

What poor grade trolling. Who is or was the 'inferior senior' alongside Kohli, and when ever did he act 'not deferential' against them?

 

[Mamoon]

After 49 Tests, if Shadab indeed can score around 1900 runs at 35 and take 213 wickets at U25..... he’ll justify the hype - I didn’t even mention Jadeja’s fielding,

Over the last two days, I have seen him getting compared to giants like Viv, Kohli and C. Ronaldo and also win the award for the greatest U22 Pakistani cricketer of all time.

That record of Jadeja should be a walk in the park for a player with such credentials.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This is way too late. He's been learning on the job since 19 - he's nearly 22 now. His legspin hasn't improved and i wonder if that's because he hasn't been able to experiment with his lengths and variations down at FC level.

I am unsure whether chucking in our youngsters in at the deep end has actually produced any great cricketers yet or if we're stifling their potential too soon. Shaheen is another who doesn't look like the finished article yet despite decent international exposure, while guys like Naseem are joining a long list of inexperienced youngsters who fade away after promising starts.

Shaheen was equally rubbish in the Test series. Why is he not considered 'fading away'?

Even yesterday he was rubbish to say the least, quite low on speed aswell.

This push to protect Shaheen is becoming a joke now, honestly.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Majority of ppers want him out of the team just to contradict one poster

He is a decent test batsman and shouldn't have been dropped after the first test.Shadab can average 35+ with the bat and nearly same with the ball so he is good for sena tours.He doesn't have the skills to be the main spinner.

Also there's no comparison with Yasir coz Yasir is probably Pakistan's biggest matchwinner of the last decade.

 

[Ellipsism]

Shaheen was equally rubbish in the Test series. Why is he not considered 'fading away'?

Even yesterday he was rubbish to say the least, quite low on speed aswell.

This push to protect Shaheen is becoming a joke now, honestly.

He bowled 2 overs for 10 runs yesterday with a catch dropped off his bowling. What else was he gonna do in 2 overs?

 

[nextover666666]

Shadab needs to polish his bowling he will go for runs it will happen but needs to keep working at it

 

[Infinitee786]

Shadab is one of the best all rounder in the country. We need to persevere with him and let him flourish.
Genuinely prefer him over Faheem.

 

[JibranAnsari]

shadab does well under pressure , one of very few pakistani players who do. For pakistan team he is diamond standard.

I CANT name a single Pakistani player who can bowl bat and field well. He is our Diamond standard.

 

[Mamoon]

Shadab is PSL’s greatest gift........for other teams.

Playing him effectively means that Pakistan is a batsman and a bowler short.

 

[Mamoon]

shadab does well under pressure , one of very few pakistani players who do. For pakistan team he is diamond standard.

I CANT name a single Pakistani player who can bowl bat and field well. He is our Diamond standard.

His greatest performance under pressure was against Bangladesh in the Asia Cup.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Shadab has a lot of promise to be a genuine all rounder. Perhaps could experiment by batting him at 6 and making him our 6th bowler, similar to stokes for England.
Even as a 5th bowler he does his job - problem is more the other spinner imad wasim is also not good enough to be a frontline spinner therefore we are stuck with 2 non frontline spinners that really shouldn't be playing together if we are brutally honest.
Imad is the one the drop and should be replaced by zafar gohar immediately.

 

[Kenpachi]

People who are comparing him to Jadeja need to understand that Jadeja reinvented himself as a genuine spinner who could do a job with the bat.

Shadab at this point doesn’t have a clue about his strong suit (batting or bowling) other than acting in the field.

In order to have success in the long-term, he will have to reinvent himself as a batting all-rounder or a bowling all-rounder.

At the moment, he bats like a glorified tail-ender and bowls like a glorified part-timer.

I like the guy but agree with everything you’ve said.

A player in limbo at the moment, I think management need to decide what his primary role in the team will be and let him hone his skills from there.

 

[Khan12]

Shaheen was equally rubbish in the Test series. Why is he not considered 'fading away'?

Even yesterday he was rubbish to say the least, quite low on speed aswell.

This push to protect Shaheen is becoming a joke now, honestly.

You need to cut down your hate for Shaheen. Yes he bowled poorly in the tests but yesterday? That's what happens when you hate someone. He set up banton nicely only for itfikhar to drop it and bowled quite a few yorkers with the new ball.

 

[CommonIndian]

His greatest performance under pressure was against Bangladesh in the Asia Cup.

Great for Shadab Khan, at least he performed under pressure. As most of the current pakistani players cant perform under pressure. Also the difference between the quality of both teams at that time wasnt much.Shadab can only improve playing for pakistan team or for a county team.He is not gonna improve playing pakistan domestic cricket which is so poor compared other countries.

 

[MenInG]

Great for Shadab Khan, at least he performed under pressure. As most of the current Pakistani players cant perform under pressure. Also the difference between the quality of both teams at that time wasnt much.Shadab can only improve playing for pakistan team or for a county team.He is not gonna improve playing Pakistan domestic cricket which is so poor compared other countries.

You are making generic statements to please people. What makes you think most of the current Pakistan players cannot play under pressure? what did you see in last night's game that made you think that?

 

[CommonIndian]

You are making generic statements to please people. What makes you think most of the current Pakistan players cannot play under pressure? what did you see in last night's game that made you think that?

Sir,I am realistic.My statements might please some people and hurt some.Pakistan have regressed a lot since 2007 after Woolmer's era.Infact i was jealous of pakistan talent during nineties.Wasim,waqar,,AAquib javed,Saleem Malik,.Anwar, and than came Razzaq,shoaib Akhtar,Mehmood,Afridi,saqlain hell even Ijaz Ahmed used to give us phainties.

But times have changed pakistani players still think about incborn talent instead of putting in time developing skill,fitness,diet etc.Today's cricket i think is power game with mental toughness which pakistani players have lacked since 2007 barring a few occassions.

Sir,Our Indian university players look more fit than some pakistani international players.I am not saying more skilled but more fit.

I did not watch yseterday's game.

 

[MenInG]

Sir,I am realistic.My statements might please some people and hurt some.Pakistan have regressed a lot since 2007 after Woolmer's era.Infact i was jealous of pakistan talent during nineties.Wasim,waqar,,AAquib javed,Saleem Malik,.Anwar, and than came Razzaq,shoaib Akhtar,Mehmood,Afridi,saqlain hell even Ijaz Ahmed used to give us phainties.

But times have changed pakistani players still think about incborn talent instead of putting in time developing skill,fitness,diet etc.Today's cricket i think is power game with mental toughness which pakistani players have lacked since 2007 barring a few occassions.

Sir,Our Indian university players look more fit than some pakistani international players.I am not saying more skilled but more fit.

I did not watch yseterday's game.

You seem to be good at generalizations.

My advice to you is to stick to FACTS.

 

[JibranAnsari]

His greatest performance under pressure was against Bangladesh in the Asia Cup.

even in the last match he held his nerves and came back from 26 runs in 2 overs to 33/2 in 4. He keeps his head right most of the times.

 

[Mamoon]

even in the last match he held his nerves and came back from 26 runs in 2 overs to 33/2 in 4. He keeps his head right most of the times.

I am talking about the 2018 Asia Cup which was played in the ODI format.

It was a must win match for Pakistan which they lost by 37 runs.

Shadab’s brilliant 4 (24) under pressure was nominated as the ODI batting performance of the year.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-pakistan-6th-match-super-four-asia-cup-2018

 

[Markhor]

I see Shadab Khan is back to being flavour of the month again. 2-33 in a T20 against a depleted England team is nothing to scream about. We need to see consistent performances in all formats if Shadab really is this all-round superstar in the making.

Now that's not going to happen unless he bowls long spells in FC cricket which he hasn't done.

In ODIs Shadab has the same bowling average as Joe Root against non-minnows since the 2018 Asia Cup.

 

[Markhor]

I am talking about the 2018 Asia Cup which was played in the ODI format.

It was a must win match for Pakistan which they lost by 37 runs.

Shadab’s brilliant 4 (24) under pressure was nominated as the ODI batting performance of the year.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-pakistan-6th-match-super-four-asia-cup-2018

The 4 (24) wasn't the worst thing - it's the 1-52 from 10 overs despite being the lead spinner on a UAE pitch and with Bangladesh 12-3.

Had we a more penetrative spinner, we'd never would've allowed Bangladesh to recover and post 239. Obviously Sarfraz's captaincy didn't help.

 

[CommonIndian]

I am talking about the 2018 Asia Cup which was played in the ODI format.

It was a must win match for Pakistan which they lost by 37 runs.

Shadab’s brilliant 4 (24) under pressure was nominated as the ODI batting performance of the year.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-pakistan-6th-match-super-four-asia-cup-2018

Stokes also performed brilliantly under pressure in 2016 T20 world cup final against Braithwate of all cricketers. The thing is one innings/match doesnt define a player. As far as Shadab is concerned I think he is a good player considering current Pakistani standards.He is no stokes but he is good talent for pakistani white ball cricket.

 

[IMMY69]

Stokes also performed brilliantly under pressure in 2016 T20 world cup final against Braithwate of all cricketers. The thing is one innings/match doesnt define a player. As far as Shadab is concerned I think he is a good player considering current Pakistani standards.He is no stokes but he is good talent for pakistani white ball cricket.

plus he was 18 years old

 

[Saj]

Has some good variety but can be a little predictable at times. Gets very defensive too quickly.

He'll get better with time and with more experience.

 

[raashidkhan89079]

He was one of the reason for the t20 series win in New Zealand

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Stokes also performed brilliantly under pressure in 2016 T20 world cup final against Braithwate of all cricketers. The thing is one innings/match doesnt define a player. As far as Shadab is concerned I think he is a good player considering current Pakistani standards.He is no stokes but he is good talent for pakistani white ball cricket.

Stokes was also considered garbage in his early years. Shadab is 21. Let’s back the lad.

 

[Mamoon]

Stokes also performed brilliantly under pressure in 2016 T20 world cup final against Braithwate of all cricketers. The thing is one innings/match doesnt define a player. As far as Shadab is concerned I think he is a good player considering current Pakistani standards.He is no stokes but he is good talent for pakistani white ball cricket.

Stokes was also considered garbage in his early years. Shadab is 21. Let’s back the lad.

Three years before the WT20, Stokes struck 120 against a rampant Johnson on the fastest pitch in the world.

Three months before the WT20, Stokes smashed 258 in South Africa.

Only people with no understanding of cricket called Stokes garbage and wrote him off as a bottler. It was clear from day 1 that he is a player of extraordinary capabilities.

On the other hand, Shadab has no performances of note against the big teams. Our standards are so low that he hits a 40-50 and takes 2 wickets and our fans do bhangra.

People who think he is just 21 and will be a world beater in a few years are setting themselves up for disappointment. This guy has no clue over what type of cricketer he wants to be in the future.

Apart from showing off in the field, no one knows if his strong suit is batting or bowling.

He has played 11 FC matches and we think he is going to be a premier spinner for us. This is what happens when you decide to fast-track players based on PSL exploits, and even in PSL, his bowling has been garbage apart from the 2017 season that helped him get fast-tracked into the team.

Pakistan have fast-tracked him as if he is Wasim Akram. This guy is not even better than Krunal Pandya.

Shadab needs to go back to domestic cricket and decide if he is a batting all-rounder or a bowling all-rounder. Then he needs to put in the hard yards and hone his skills in domestic cricket by toiling hard.

At the moment, he is a jack of all and master of none. Every successful all-rounder in history had a stronger suit.

He is going nowhere by batting like a glorified tail-ender and bowling like a glorified part-timer.

People think he is a good ODI spinner already. Over the last 2 years, his ODI record is the same as a part, part timer like Root. That is his true worth as a cricketer at the moment.

A laughably overrated mediocre bits and pieces player.

 

[MenInG]

Shadab Khan:

"We have prepared well for this series, we played a few practice games and we have good momentum"

"We hadn't played T20 games for a while but the guys are looking in good touch so we are hoping for a good and exciting series"

"Scoring runs in PSL where bowling standards are very good has given me a lot of confidence; PSL games may not have been international matches but the standard is tough, so I have gained a lot of confidence from that and if given the chance, I will try and replicate the same performances in international games as well"

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[MenInG]

Stokes was also considered garbage in his early years. Shadab is 21. Let’s back the lad.

Note that :This is meant for people who are genuinely interested in Pakistan cricket

 

[CommonIndian]

Three years before the WT20, Stokes struck 120 against a rampant Johnson on the fastest pitch in the world.

Three months before the WT20, Stokes smashed 258 in South Africa.

Only people with no understanding of cricket called Stokes garbage and wrote him off as a bottler. It was clear from day 1 that he is a player of extraordinary capabilities.

On the other hand, Shadab has no performances of note against the big teams. Our standards are so low that he hits a 40-50 and takes 2 wickets and our fans do bhangra.

People who think he is just 21 and will be a world beater in a few years are setting themselves up for disappointment. This guy has no clue over what type of cricketer he wants to be in the future.

Apart from showing off in the field, no one knows if his strong suit is batting or bowling.

He has played 11 FC matches and we think he is going to be a premier spinner for us. This is what happens when you decide to fast-track players based on PSL exploits, and even in PSL, his bowling has been garbage apart from the 2017 season that helped him get fast-tracked into the team.

Pakistan have fast-tracked him as if he is Wasim Akram. This guy is not even better than Krunal Pandya.

Shadab needs to go back to domestic cricket and decide if he is a batting all-rounder or a bowling all-rounder. Then he needs to put in the hard yards and hone his skills in domestic cricket by toiling hard.

At the moment, he is a jack of all and master of none. Every successful all-rounder in history had a stronger suit.

He is going nowhere by batting like a glorified tail-ender and bowling like a glorified part-timer.

People think he is a good ODI spinner already. Over the last 2 years, his ODI record is the same as a part, part timer like Root. That is his true worth as a cricketer at the moment.

A laughably overrated mediocre bits and pieces player.

Mamoon Sahab, I humbly request you to please read my entire post. Don't put words in my mouth I never said that Shadab is as good as Stokes, or world-beater nor did I say he is test match material. I Just said considering current Pakistani standards he is good enough to play white-ball cricket and you are giving examples of Stokes test matches innings.

He fields well(one of the better Pakistani fielders) and he shows off many did before Yuvraj Singh, Gibbs, etc.

Fast-tracked thinking him as Wasim Akram???who thinks or says that he is Wasim Akram you are just going overboard with criticism.

In the list attached by Markhor Sahab averages of below-mentioned player are,


Kuldeep Yadav:32.40,
Adil Rashid: 34.50,
Ish Sodhi:36.41,
Shadab Khan:36.41,
Joe Root:36.50, has played 29 games and bowled 27 overs less than one over per game.
Adam Zampa:37.63,

Considering the above stats there is not a lot of difference in averages between Kuldeep(difference of 4),Ish(difference of 2),Adil Rashid(difference of 2), and Shadab. Adam Zampa's average is poorer than Shadab and he has played 24 games. Joe Root has played 29 games and bowled 27 overs less than one over per game and all others have bowled more than 7 overs per game. Shadab is better as a complete package(bat and fielder) than Kuldeep, Sodhi, Zampa [ /B].
If we consider your logic Zampa, Sodhi , Shadab are part timers like Root as he has similar average bowling less than one over per match and others have bowled more than 7 overs per game.
So, Mamoon Sahab, Beggars cant be choosers. Unfortunately Shadab Khan is the best you have got in white ball cricket and you guys should back him. It’s not like Jadeja’s, Shakib’s are playing Pakistan domestic cricket. If there are replacements for Shadab in White-ball cricket name them otherwise accept the reality he is the best you have got for white-ball cricket…………………

 

[The Viper]

Shadab with 2 crucial breakthroughs of the dangerous opening duo of Bairstow and Banton. Brings Pakistan back in this.

 

[Junaids]

Shadab with 2 crucial breakthroughs of the dangerous opening duo of Bairstow and Banton. Brings Pakistan back in this.

And Morgan survived two balls later only by an Umpires Call LBW.

He’s a fabulous player.

 

[Forum363]

English umpires once again helping England this series or this match would already have been over and Shadab with 3 wickets in the over.

 

[MenInG]

LOIs are his gig - he is useful and there is no denying it.

 

[ataullah]

That Morgan one looked so out but was given not out ...so so unlucky...would have been given out for Pak batsmen

 

[MenInG]

3/34 for Shadab - stand out bowler for Pakistan on a night when all went for plenty.

Like his style and energy and its good for Pakistan - no doubts.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

That Morgan one looked so out but was given not out ...so so unlucky...would have been given out for Pak batsmen

Umpire's call is a joke. For hitting stumps it's almost acceptable but that was plumb!!

 

[aloo paratha]

He is a good prospect. Needs to prioritize FC cricket though.

 

[Mueez]

Should’ve gotten Morgan out.

 

[Infinitee786]

Shadab is by far the best all rounder in the squad. One for the future. Hope to see him the team for a long time

 

[Usman Chadda]

He bowled 2 overs for 10 runs yesterday with a catch dropped off his bowling. What else was he gonna do in 2 overs?

While he got smashed senseless today, I will give you the benefit of the doubt for this post.

Shaheen was operating between 83-84 MPH in the first T20. I guess being a certain starter in the line-up tends to make you not try hard enough anymore eh?

Naseem, Hasnain, Rauf etc are bashed by Pakistan fans, after a single bad game but Shaheen is our shehzada, and he can continue to churn out these garbage performances

 

[MMHS]

Shadab actually is a very good T20 player, because of his bowling and fielding, also can chip in with bat as well. His bowling has enough variation to trouble batsmen when they are charging, but he doesn't have the control to get batsmen out by choking when they are not going after him - he'll bowl enough loose balls in between to keep batsmen busy. In ODI, may not be that effective, but still overall package is good enough to start for PAK ODI team. I actually would have made him T20 and may be in ODI, deputy of Babar; eventually taking over.

Problem is, Junaids rates his batting too much, which he is not capable of. At his current bowling state, if he is to make PAK Test team (forget about Captaining the side), he has to average over 35, preferably 38 or more - which he is not that good, therefore always will be a fringe Test player, unless he improves one of his core skills.

What I have seen, he won't ever be that good Test batsman, but he can improve his Leg spin considerably by playing lots of FC games. He has variation, can turn it as well, needs control and bowling intelligence to get through batsmen's defense when they are in safety mood - that needs lot more control and bowling intelligence to set up batsmen, only can be achieved through long, long, long spells.

 

[Saj]

He bowled well today in the 2nd T20I against England, with better control barring a couple of deliveries.

The Googly was working well and he bowled at a good pace.

He was unlucky not to have got 1 or 2 more wickets.

 

[Savak]

Shadab as an attacking leg spinner will blow hot and cold, he will either get wickets or he will go for plenty with the odd economical spell. But he cannot be relied to bowl 4 to 10 economical accurate overs like Hafeez and Ajmal did in their bowling primes for Pakistan. It is problematic for Pakistan when he doesn't pick wickets and also goes for plenty. Pakistan desperately needs to find some reliable economical spinners for their ODI and T-20 side.

 

[Bigboii]

Shadab as an attacking leg spinner will blow hot and cold, he will either get wickets or he will go for plenty with the odd economical spell. But he cannot be relied to bowl 4 to 10 economical accurate overs like Hafeez and Ajmal did in their bowling primes for Pakistan. It is problematic for Pakistan when he doesn't pick wickets and also goes for plenty. Pakistan desperately needs to find some reliable economical spinners for their ODI and T-20 side.

Imad!?

 

[unemployedgm]

While he got smashed senseless today, I will give you the benefit of the doubt for this post.

Shaheen was operating between 83-84 MPH in the first T20. I guess being a certain starter in the line-up tends to make you not try hard enough anymore eh?

Naseem, Hasnain, Rauf etc are bashed by Pakistan fans, after a single bad game but Shaheen is our shehzada, and he can continue to churn out these garbage performances

Why is Shaheen playing after 3 mentally and physically draining test matches? If he's ahead of Wahab in the pecking order than why is Wahab even with the squad? Why is he ahead of Wahab in the pecking order? Shaheen has struggled on dead wickers in England? What about Rauf? What has he done to be a top 3 option in t20s? Why is Amir first choice?......

 

[Infinitee786]

Shadab will be our Shakib al Hasan