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Shadab Khan will get hammered today

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powerful hitters + small boundaries + over rated rookie = disaster

That's my prediction.
 
The straight boundaries are short but not the wide ones.

England have not faced Shadab before so that could work in our favour.
 
Markhor said:
The straight boundaries are short but not the wide ones.

England have not faced Shadab before so that could work in our favour.
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He overpitches a lot.... England will clear all sides, but straight is such a small hit.
 
He bowled really well in the first game vs India, was unfortunate to not get 2 wickets...
 
PukhtoonZalmay88 said:
Prediction turning out to be true i guess
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He's been brought into the game very early... England not going after him yet but still going almost 6 an over. As the match goes deeper and Morgan and stokes and butler at the crease then it will be a different scenario
 
When hes putting it on a length they cant play him, he just needs to keep hitting that length
 
Sarfraz needs to have more faith in him. Would have kept him on considering he should have had bairstow
 
Pure hammering.

(Why do people who haven't played cricket think they know more than selectors and people who spend their lives in the game?).
 
He over pitches a lot. Lacks control. Variations are pointless unless you maintain control.
 
You need attacking bowlers for the middle overs.

Hasan alone cant take all the wickets in middle overs. Amir is not playing too who turned the last match.
 
bujhee kom said:
Take a Saturday out of your schedule and teach him control, you having years of experience and all.
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Well actually I do and he would need to have a season in Manchester.

Just look at hafeez, very limited offie but controls the ball well. Control is elementary
 
Abid Z said:
Well actually I do and he would need to have a season in Manchester.

Just look at hafeez, very limited offie but controls the ball well. Control is elementary
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Your kebab league is not equivalent to international cricket (or even League cricket). Have some humility. None of us guys and teach ANY of these guys a thing about cricket. We watch and cheer - learn the game but actually playing it, we are zeros.
 
Bechara got hammered, lucky wicket, already gone for so many runs.

Good prediction op
 
Hopefully like he can knock mid low orders down. Need pace pressure from other end for him to be more successful.
 
He's an 18 year old leggie with only a handful of FC matches to his name - he'll develop better control.
 
Abid Z said:
Well actually I do and he would need to have a season in Manchester.

Just look at hafeez, very limited offie but controls the ball well. Control is elementary
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Offies always have better control than leggies, but guess who got Root out? :root
 
khalil1986 said:
Don't put words in my mouth, you know exactly what I mean.

Anyway keep hating.
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Why do you say "hating"? Anybody on this forum is a Pakistan cricket fan and they would always love and back the team. Doesn't take away from the basic point that there is a reason why there are so few legspinners in the international arena and those that are are quite old or made their debut very late (imran Tahir and Yasir for instance). That's primarily because they need to drop the ball on a patch the size of a handkerchief again and again. Otherwise he's gonna go for 6 an over (like danish kaneria) and his variations won't amount to much.

There is a very big difference between t20 and odi's. I would still have him in the team though as he's only going to get better and needs the exposure and experience but just be wary against good players of spin.
 
U hav been SLAPPED hard on ua face......
atleast spare him.... he is just 18 years old
 
Abid Z said:
Why do you say "hating"? Anybody on this forum is a Pakistan cricket fan and they would always love and back the team. Doesn't take away from the basic point that there is a reason why there are so few legspinners in the international arena and those that are are quite old or made their debut very late (imran Tahir and Yasir for instance). That's primarily because they need to drop the ball on a patch the size of a handkerchief again and again. Otherwise he's gonna go for 6 an over (like danish kaneria) and his variations won't amount to much.

There is a very big difference between t20 and odi's. I would still have him in the team though as he's only going to get better and needs the exposure and experience but just be wary against good players of spin.
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Danish Kaneria was a very good spinner.
 
Abid Z said:
Yes thank you. Spinners with control are always a threat whether offie or leggie
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Leggies rarely have control as good as offies, it's easier to bowl finger spin accurately than wrist spin. Therefore your point of Hafeez having better control than Shadab is a bit obvious, but that doesn't mean Hafeez is a superior bowler or a more threatening option. Shadab has looked far more likely to take wickets, and not just today but in every match I can recall seeing them play together.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Leggies rarely have control as good as offies, it's easier to bowl finger spin accurately than wrist spin. Therefore your point of Hafeez having better control than Shadab is a bit obvious, but that doesn't mean Hafeez is a superior bowler or a more threatening option. Shadab has looked far more likely to take wickets, and not just today but in every match I can recall seeing them play together.
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Exactly.

Got to love arm chair experts.
 
khalil1986 said:
Danish Kaneria was a very good spinner.
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Danish kaneria lacked control. He was a lovely leg spin bowler with lots of variations but hardly played any odi's because he lacked control and afridi was deemed a better all round option with the offie all rounders. This was containment rather than wicket taking strategy. Bowlers that lack control very rarely win you matches.

Time and time again the whole argument simply boils down to one simple point. Play shadab with his variations and lack of control? Or recognise and admit that he's lacking in control and hope that he gains control pretty quick so he can be a serious bowler. Either way he's too raw and I think a 4 or 5 for is very far away until he develops control
 
Abdullah719 said:
Leggies rarely have control as good as offies, it's easier to bowl finger spin accurately than wrist spin. Therefore your point of Hafeez having better control than Shadab is a bit obvious, but that doesn't mean Hafeez is a superior bowler or a more threatening option. Shadab has looked far more likely to take wickets, and not just today but in every match I can recall seeing them play together.
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Now youre putting words in my mouth. A leggie is a far superior skill than an offie. Agreed
Hafeez has more control because he's an offie agreed.
Can you just explain (and not excuse) if you think shadab has effective control or not. That's all we are discussing
 
Well Shadab has a few overs left.
Op must be hoping he goes for a few runs now.
 
khalil1986 said:
Control may be economical but isnt always a threat.
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Mate seriously now you're being ridiculous. Control and economy are two different things. All anybody wants is for a bowler to land the ball on a spot first. Everything else is secondary
 
rashid latif is the best cricket analyst in my opinion, just yesterday he suggested that shadab be included by dropping some one and insisted that its a must and one place should be sacrificed for him

saqlain who is a legendary spinner disagreed clearly and said that the team should remain same and that its rashid's opinion he may have it

and shadab has taken a crucial wicket and made the difference today
 
Abid Z said:
Now youre putting words in my mouth. A leggie is a far superior skill than an offie. Agreed
Hafeez has more control because he's an offie agreed.
Can you just explain (and not excuse) if you think shadab has effective control or not. That's all we are discussing
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Decent enough considering that he's going at <5 an over against supposedly world's strongest batting lineup, went for just 5.2 an over against India who are supposed to be brilliant against leg-spin, in a match where they piled up 320.

You're making it sound like he has an economy rate of 7.

Yasir Shah has supreme accuracy but that didn't do him much good in ODIs because he was too predictable.

Shadab has plenty of room for improvement but he's doing pretty well already, plus his batting is highly rated by many as well. Should be a fixture in the LOI teams for the foreseeable future.
 
shadab in my opinion need basic improvement in his bowling, he has some basic flaw in his bowling, out of no where delivers very rdinary stuff but if he sticks to his good deliveries can become a dangerous bowler
 
Abdullah719 said:
Decent enough considering that he's going at <5 an over against supposedly world's strongest batting lineup, went for just 5.2 an over against India who are supposed to be brilliant against leg-spin, in a match where they piled up 320.

You're making it sound like he has an economy rate of 7.

Yasir Shah has supreme accuracy but that didn't do him much good in ODIs because he was too predictable.

Shadab has plenty of room for improvement but he's doing pretty well already, plus his batting is highly rated by many as well. Should be a fixture in the LOI teams for the foreseeable future.
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Jeez man! Now you are making a different point. You are saying because of his youth, exuberance, all round cricketing skills and promise he should be allowed to persist in the team and develop his learning. for the avoidance of doubt, is there anybody here including me who has argued to the contrary?? We all want him in the team

I just want you to agree he lacks control over his bowling and therefore his economy and wicket taking ability is compromised. He only merits a place coz of the above points and his overall role in a team of wicket takers or tight bowlers. I.e he can afford to be the weakest link for now. But soon we will want more from him.
 
Well done OP, at least you had the guts to put your neck on the line. Ignore the fence-sitters.
 
Abid Z said:
Jeez man! Now you are making a different point. You are saying because of his youth, exuberance, all round cricketing skills and promise he should be allowed to persist in the team and develop his learning. for the avoidance of doubt, is there anybody here including me who has argued to the contrary?? We all want him in the team

I just want you to agree he lacks control over his bowling and therefore his economy and wicket taking ability is compromised. He only merits a place coz of the above points and his overall role in a team of wicket takers or tight bowlers. I.e he can afford to be the weakest link for now. But soon we will want more from him.
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I said that his batting ability is rated, but that's clearly not why he is in the team. He has rarely batted above #8. He is playing as a specialist bowler and as far as I'm concerned, he's done a decent enough job so far.
 
I don't understand the hate. This is my first time seeing him. Seems like a fine attacking bowler. Not to mention he's 18.
 
Abdullah719 said:
I said that his batting ability is rated, but that's clearly not why he is in the team. He has rarely batted above #8. He is playing as a specialist bowler and as far as I'm concerned, he's done a decent enough job so far.
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Agree. I admit though I do get a bit scared when Shadab bowls, but i think it's normal for most legspinners, looks like they will get hit if they do the slightest bit wrong.

Having said that, he is the first ODI spin bowler since Ajmal who actually looks threatening for us wickets wise.
 
Abdullah719 said:
I said that his batting ability is rated, but that's clearly not why he is in the team. He has rarely batted above #8. He is playing as a specialist bowler and as far as I'm concerned, he's done a decent enough job so far.
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You keep shifting the goal posts so it's hard to track your answer to the central point which is
"He lacks control"!!!! Would you like me to underline it so you can answer it. Now you can make a number of allowances and as pak supporters we always will. But the fact is he's a specialist nothing. He's a trainee!! He's neither economical nor is he a wicket taker.

He's gone to finishing school and he may or may not succeed. Once you accept this we can move on to further points about him.
 
Abid Z said:
You keep shifting the goal posts so it's hard to track your answer to the central point which is
"He lacks control"!!!! Would you like me to underline it so you can answer it. Now you can make a number of allowances and as pak supporters we always will. But the fact is he's a specialist nothing. He's a trainee!! He's neither economical nor is he a wicket taker.

He's gone to finishing school and he may or may not succeed. Once you accept this we can move on to further points about him.
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OK let's talk about control.

Shadab is an 18-year-old leggie and has played only a handful of FC matches. His control is decent, but not great, but it will improve over time.

Can you now tell me why Yasir Shah has been a massive failure in ODIs despite being renowned for having unusual control for a leggie?

Control is one of the ingredients that are key to success, but not the only one.

Your original post in this thread said that variations are pointless if he lacks control. Yet, Shadab with variations and moderate control has done far better than Yasir with lack of variations but good control.
 
He picked up the most important wicket of England team today. What a bowler!!!
 
I think OP hasn't said anything wrong....
but but guy that "overrated legspinner" didn't go well with me....
Always support an emerging talent specially when he is just 18
 
I'd rather have played shadab and gotten 1-2 wickets (like he did) and go for 65 (which he didn't) than have just imad and Hafeez as spinners, need to be aggressive.
 
Happy to eat humble pie... the entire bowling line up bowled well on this wicket. The fact that stokes went boundryless is testament to that.

I expected the wicket to be more of a road which it isn't.
 
Abdullah719 said:
OK let's talk about control.

Shadab is an 18-year-old leggie and has played only a handful of FC matches. His control is decent, but not great, but it will improve over time.

Can you now tell me why Yasir Shah has been a massive failure in ODIs despite being renowned for having unusual control for a leggie?

Control is one of the ingredients that are key to success, but not the only one.

Your original post in this thread said that variations are pointless if he lacks control. Yet, Shadab with variations and moderate control has done far better than Yasir with lack of variations but good control.
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Ok thanks for admitting that he lacks control however reserved.

Yes he's 18 but it's not a given that he will improve with age. We will have to revisit this thread in the future. Cricket history is littered with examples of promise unfulfilled

There are a number of reasons why he is in the team. Firstly he has decent variety so his legspin is handy nothing more in Odi. (In psl or domestic t20 I can see he's a real threat) secondly he can hold a bat and is a good energetic cricketer. But all this really is a hunch and promise. Nobody has seen that much of him really. I love that he seems to make plans with Sarfaraz which shows he's a proactive and thinking bowler. So wish him well.

You've mentioned Yasir many times but it's not for me to derail this thread. Suffice to say that control without variety and attacking instincts and an attacking captain are also pointless. Yasir should be nowhere near the odi set up until he masters the googly or top spinner.

I guess you could also argue the inverse. Control withOUT variations in ODI's is ineffective.
 
Well alone his fielding is enough tk warrant him a place in team ahead of couple of seniors who have did nothing so far !!
Then add his bowling plus he is a very good batsman too !!! Its a matter of time he will be batting at 7 regularly.
To conclude he is smart player and a brain over his shoulders
 
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