Shadab Khan's injury could be a big loss for Pakistan

[CricketingMinds]

So any updates on Shadabs injury?

How did he get injured in the first place?

 

[CricketingMinds]

Massive loss for us.

Excellent bowler especially on these pitches.
Decent batsman
Electric fielder

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Should be back in the next game. Mickey Arthur said a few of his spasms from the West Indies series began acting up but it's nothing serious.

 

[nextover666666]

I heard he should be back for the India game.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Should be back soon, which is good but wouldn't mind him being given a break.

 

[Mamoon]

He is massively overrated - beyond the fielding and glamor, he has little substance. However, he deserves to be in the team ahead of Faheem in these conditions.

 

[ManFan]

He is massively overrated - beyond the fielding and glamor, he has little substance. However, he deserves to be in the team ahead of Faheem in these conditions.

Strongly disagree.

He’s shown that he has the ability to win the game with both bat and ball in various formats.

Last year, he did it twice against SL in ODI’s and T20’s.

He scored three crucial 50’s in our tour of England and Ireland that helped us win 2 out of 3 matches.

He has been solid in pretty much every T20 game he’s played since his debut.

I really do not understand why people claim him to be overrated since he’s barely a year and a half into his career and bats at #7/8.

He’s one of the best fielders we have and is genuinely 19 with at least 5-7 years of potential investment.

 

[Stewie]

Shadab is the most valuable player in the team right now.. clutch bowler, batsman and fielder

 

[Mamoon]

Strongly disagree.

He’s shown that he has the ability to win the game with both bat and ball in various formats.

Last year, he did it twice against SL in ODI’s and T20’s.

He scored three crucial 50’s in our tour of England and Ireland that helped us win 2 out of 3 matches.

He has been solid in pretty much every T20 game he’s played since his debut.

I really do not understand why people claim him to be overrated since he’s barely a year and a half into his career and bats at #7/8.

He’s one of the best fielders we have and is genuinely 19 with at least 5-7 years of potential investment.

I see little more than a flashy minnow-basher who is still riding on the momentum of PSL 2 and the West Indies debut series. He was rubbish in PSL 3 and has made marginal impact with the ball against good teams.

Yes he scored some runs in England and New Zealand, but his batting has not convinced me. I feel very uncomfortable watching him arrive to the crease when Pakistan are only 5 down in ODIs. That is the longest tail in the world.

He is being played too much and has been given too much stardom too early. Needs to be brought back to earth and given a reality check like his ardent fans.

 

[ManFan]

I see little more than a flashy minnow-basher who is still riding on the momentum of PSL 2 and the West Indies debut series. He was rubbish in PSL 3 and has made marginal impact with the ball against good teams.

Yes he scored some runs in England and New Zealand, but his batting has not convinced me. I feel very uncomfortable watching him arrive to the crease when Pakistan are only 5 down in ODIs. That is the longest tail in the world.

He is being played too much and has been given too much stardom too early. Needs to be brought back to earth and given a reality check like his ardent fans.

Since you brought up PSL 3, I remember him being crucified for not taking wickets.

He responded with three wickets for 25 and knocked the wind out of PZ in the Final.

His batting is developing and for a 19-year-old to score crucial runs on their first tour to ENG and NZ is a good sign of mental application.

His novelty was the quick and skiddy googly which is why he was big when he came on the scene. (His first ball googly bowled a well-set Sharma the other day). From now on, he has to develop through FC to become a genuine leggie.

Maybe he needs to put down the Snapchat but the fuss about his latest facial hair/haircut is bizarre. He is easily the most exciting young all-rounder in the cricket world today.

 

[babajee]

Some people talk as though improvement isn't a thing.

 

[Mamoon]

Since you brought up PSL 3, I remember him being crucified for not taking wickets.

He responded with three wickets for 25 and knocked the wind out of PZ in the Final.

His batting is developing and for a 19-year-old to score crucial runs on their first tour to ENG and NZ is a good sign of mental application.

His novelty was the quick and skiddy googly which is why he was big when he came on the scene. (His first ball googly bowled a well-set Sharma the other day). From now on, he has to develop through FC to become a genuine leggie.

Maybe he needs to put down the Snapchat but the fuss about his latest facial hair/haircut is bizarre. He is easily the most exciting young all-rounder in the cricket world today.

You make an appreciable case for him but as I said, I am not convinced with him. Nor with Faheem for that matter, but Shadab is the more convincing player of the two. I have a big problem with him batting at number five and I do not think he is a front-line spinner. He needs to have a reduced role in the team.

 

[ManFan]

You make an appreciable case for him but as I said, I am not convinced with him. Nor with Faheem for that matter, but Shadab is the more convincing player of the two. I have a big problem with him batting at number five and I do not think he is a front-line spinner. He needs to have a reduced role in the team.

Shadab bats at seven in Tests and eight in ODI/T20’s.

I certainly think having an off-spinner will help him because Hafeez is out, Malik can’t do much, Nawaz is hit or miss, Yasir is prone, and FZ/Haris are not spinners.

 

[Mamoon]

Shadab bats at seven in Tests and eight in ODI/T20’s.

I certainly think having an off-spinner will help him because Hafeez is out, Malik can’t do much, Nawaz is hit or miss, Yasir is prone, and FZ/Haris are not spinners.

He was at the crease against India when were 5 down. Even 6 is too high for him.

 

[ManFan]

He was at the crease against India when were 5 down. Even 6 is too high for him.

It was five wickets down and there were two new batsmen, Asif Ali and the Number Seven, Shadab Khan.

He doesn’t have the strength yet to be a slogging lower-order batsman but he has the patience, technique, and compactness to bat down the order.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He is massively overrated - beyond the fielding and glamor, he has little substance. However, he deserves to be in the team ahead of Faheem in these conditions.

It's pretty obvious he will become one of world cricket's biggest stars in the coming years. He has potential to be world-class in all three departments and he already is in the fielding department. If you can't see that now than you will in a few years. And he will most definitely eclipse all these flavor of month mystery spinners like Kuldeep who eventually get found out.

 

[hitthestump]

He was at the crease against India when were 5 down. Even 6 is too high for him.

He's still incredibly young for an international cricketer. You could be right that 7 is high for him now, but the exposure could pay off for a decade or more which is probably what Mickey and co have in mind.

 

[usmanraheel]

We definitely need him back ! He brings the X factor and is a wicket taker on these pitches. Also for people bashing on him , give it a rest. He is not the best in the world , but he is the best we have. Appreciate that and support his growth

 

[Sherlock]

He is massively overrated - beyond the fielding and glamor, he has little substance. However, he deserves to be in the team ahead of Faheem in these conditions.

Ah yes, of course he's not a player from another country hence why he's "overrated". Geez you do spout some utter drivel

He's a bloody kid. He's just under 2 years into his internation cricketing career. Goodness me, change the record for once.

 

[Mamoon]

It was five wickets down and there were two new batsmen, Asif Ali and the Number Seven, Shadab Khan.

He doesn’t have the strength yet to be a slogging lower-order batsman but he has the patience, technique, and compactness to bat down the order.

Yes so he does not bat at 8 in ODIs, he bats at 7. Not sure about the technique and compactness part.

His dismissal against Jadhav was very ugly - he looked more of a tail-ender with the way he got nowhere to the pitch of the ball and lost his balance with his head falling. A batsman with good technique will rarely (if ever) get out on this fashion.

 

[Mamoon]

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Look I do not want to write him off. Yes he is young and he might improve with time (although that usually does not apply to Pakistani players), but my problem is that he has been given a very prominent and crucial role in the team even though he is not ready to do justice to that role.

In terms of his position in the batting order, he is clearly batting higher than his capabilities right now. He is also playing the role of the main spinner and is trusted with 10 overs every game, but his bowling is not that good at this point.

Yes it is great to see him dive like a dolphin in the field, but in terms of his core skills, he is clearly overrated. He is a utility player who should at best be a second spinner and not bat above 8.

 

[Hasan123]

Want him back in the team when fit. Always need a leggie in your LO team. I think his batting still needs work but he has shown potential so far. Number 7/8 is fine for now. But in Asian conditions he shouldn't be the main spinner. Should look to play 2 spinners in Asian conditions.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

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Look I do not want to write him off. Yes he is young and he might improve with time (although that usually does not apply to Pakistani players), but my problem is that he has been given a very prominent and crucial role in the team even though he is not ready to do justice to that role.

In terms of his position in the batting order, he is clearly batting higher than his capabilities right now. He is also playing the role of the main spinner and is trusted with 10 overs every game, but his bowling is not that good at this point.

Yes it is great to see him dive like a dolphin in the field, but in terms of his core skills, he is clearly overrated. He is a utility player who should at best be a second spinner and not bat above 8.

Even if you think he's overrated surely even you would admit that the best way for him to get better is by continuing to play international cricket with the backing of the team management (which he has received uptill now) and continue being exposed to high-pressure situations

 

[OmarKhan99]

Yes so he does not bat at 8 in ODIs, he bats at 7. Not sure about the technique and compactness part.

His dismissal against Jadhav was very ugly - he looked more of a tail-ender with the way he got nowhere to the pitch of the ball and lost his balance with his head falling. A batsman with good technique will rarely (if ever) get out on this fashion.

Shadab is not there for his hitting and he is as compact as they come. When a player goes out of his role and tries to slog a bowl that's not in his arc, very rarely is it a pretty sight. Compact players who aren't known for their slogging, always lose their shape trying to hit too hard. The younger Joe Root is a good example.

I don't think a player with a technique of a tail-ender would've scored 3 fifty plus scores in consecutive test matches in what were optimum swinging conditions in UK. Also, a tail-ender wouldn't have made two fifties against New Zealand in New Zealand in some quite difficult circumstances. Let's not be purposefully ignorant.

 

[Ayybee]

Chawal marne me mamon se aage koi nae he.
The problem with mamon is that even if he knows he’s wrong, he won’t back off and will try defending himself like there’s no tomorrow
C’mon mamon be a man and accept that you’re wrong here

 

[ritzy_123]

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] any update on Shadab's injury?

 

[Sherlock]

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Look I do not want to write him off. Yes he is young and he might improve with time (although that usually does not apply to Pakistani players), but my problem is that he has been given a very prominent and crucial role in the team even though he is not ready to do justice to that role.

In terms of his position in the batting order, he is clearly batting higher than his capabilities right now. He is also playing the role of the main spinner and is trusted with 10 overs every game, but his bowling is not that good at this point.

Yes it is great to see him dive like a dolphin in the field, but in terms of his core skills, he is clearly overrated. He is a utility player who should at best be a second spinner and not bat above 8.

Will all due respect, he's 19, not 39. He's just beginning his career. To write him off at this stage in his career is rather mind-boggling and amusing.

Yadav is four years older than Shadab. Four years in cricketing terms is huge. It's a shame people like you can't seem to counter that.

 

[MenInG]

He is fine and back in the team today