Shaheen Shah Afridi vs Naseem Shah vs Mohammad Musa vs Mohammad Hasnain

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Hasnain is the second highest wicket taker in the emerging cup.

Musa should’ve been let go off and play first class cricket. He isn’t going to play a match here.

 

[JattMaula]

Last of Pakistan's talented teenage 90mph+ quartet has debuted!

 

[hur rizvi]

Musa is not ready enough for tests

He’s not a 90mph bowler like Naseem and Hasnain and is 5 ft 5 inch tall


Rubbish selection let alone giving him a test debut

 

[MenInG]

Wonder how the think tank decide who is and who isnt ready for Tests?

 

[tyron_woodley]

husnain should be backed.

husnain
shaheen
naseem

 

[moghul]

Musa is not and will never be of international class , watching him bowl at Adelaide showed he doesn’t belong to this level of cricket.

 

[MenInG]

Seems Shaheen Head and Shoulders above the rest at the moment.

 

[shah_1]

Musa looked so bad

He is not international quality

 

[MMHS]

I am not sure if he’ll ever get the chance to prove me correct, because these four have already cracked the ultimate code of PAK cricket - PSL; but I believe, the best of the U23 pacers was Arshad, not sure what he is doing now. He has 1, max two years left in career - if he doesn’t make it to PAK set up, he’ll be gone in few years. Shaheen is good, can be better but Arshad was the real deal - and PAK needs tall, right arm pacer with high arm action.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Arshad was a top performer in national t20 2018. Was since excluded for majority of national t20 2019. Only played 3 games and all in second division.

 

[Bullet Drive]

arshad was a top performer in national t20 2018. Was since excluded for majority of national t20 2019. Only played 3 games and all in second division.

[mention=79064]mmhs[/mention]

 

[Xoib]

I am not sure if he’ll ever get the chance to prove me correct, because these four have already cracked the ultimate code of PAK cricket - PSL; but I believe, the best of the U23 pacers was Arshad, not sure what he is doing now. He has 1, max two years left in career - if he doesn’t make it to PAK set up, he’ll be gone in few years. Shaheen is good, can be better but Arshad was the real deal - and PAK needs tall, right arm pacer with high arm action.

Naseem I believe has the highest ceiling and he actually was very good on the debut on another day it was a 3- 60 performance had he kept his foot behind the popping crease.

 

[Abdullah719]

I am not sure if he’ll ever get the chance to prove me correct, because these four have already cracked the ultimate code of PAK cricket - PSL; but I believe, the best of the U23 pacers was Arshad, not sure what he is doing now. He has 1, max two years left in career - if he doesn’t make it to PAK set up, he’ll be gone in few years. Shaheen is good, can be better but Arshad was the real deal - and PAK needs tall, right arm pacer with high arm action.

He has struggled in the 2nd XI QEA, where the game is basically geared towards fast scoring rather than proper long-format cricket.

But... don't be surprised if someone picks him up at the PSL. The emerging players pool consists of more unknowns this time around, and he is one of the names that may come into the picture. Not sure if being picked for PSL is a good thing, though...

 

[Canistani Hero]

Musa reminds me alot of Bilawal except BB could bat a bit too

 

[MMHS]

He has struggled in the 2nd XI QEA, where the game is basically geared towards fast scoring rather than proper long-format cricket.

But... don't be surprised if someone picks him up at the PSL. The emerging players pool consists of more unknowns this time around, and he is one of the names that may come into the picture. Not sure if being picked for PSL is a good thing, though...

He is not a T20 bowler - bowls with an inviting length. He is a bowler who should spend lots of time with Mo Asif (for the right purpose) and learn the art of setting up batsmen with new ball. T20 will destroy his seem position, grip and control.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Fifer for Shaheen in the first and Naseem in the second

 

[aloo paratha]

Musa is so bad he shouldn't even be included in this comparison.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Musa looks to be hopeless.

Where is Hasnain nowadays? He should be with the team like Musa and bowl to the best players in the nets.

 

[IAJ]

Talk nah! [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=31948]hur rizvi[/MENTION]

So what excuse will you come up with now? The lad is only playing his third Test and just taken a 5 for on a road where 4 pakistani batsmen scored tons.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Talk nah! [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=31948]hur rizvi[/MENTION]

So what excuse will you come up with now? The lad is only playing his third Test and just taken a 5 for on a road where 4 pakistani batsmen scored tons.

You shouldn't associate actual cricketing analysis from [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. He's only good for whining about the state of Pakistan cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistani fans never learn. All it takes is one performance against a rubbish side for their heads to be in the clouds. Wait before this “16” year old performs against quality opposition. He was poor in Australia and if he is poor in England next year, what good is performing against Sri Lanka at home?

If you want to celebrate go ahead, but don’t expect me to be sucked into the celebrations. I have no faith in Pakistani players and I believe performing against the likes of Sri Lanka is their ceiling.

Pakistan has only 1 elite player (Babar) and only 1 very good player (Shaheen). That is it. There is a reason why we have embarrassing rankings.

Let’s see where Naseem stands 4-5 years from now. We see these false dawns every year. It seems like all it took was one win against a poor side for Pakistani fans to get back into their 2017-2018 delusional mode before they got several brutal reality checks.

We are a pathetic side and don’t expect everyone to celebrate home wins against the likes of Sri Lanka.

 

[Shazzam]

Shaheen Shah Afridi is way better than all these bowlers. He is a complete bowler now.

 

[wll_cricket]

Hello everyone this is ayesha from Karachi, I just wanted to share my opinion about our cricket team. They lose every match, they should be kick out of the team. The whole team should be replaced and bring some athletic players. At least not fatty guys who can't even run...!

 

[big_gamer007]

Hello everyone this is ayesha from Karachi, I just wanted to share my opinion about our cricket team. They lose every match, they should be kick out of the team. The whole team should be replaced and bring some athletic players. At least not fatty guys who can't even run...!

Lol, this has to be the most brilliant analysis I have read on PP in last 6 years

On topic, Naseem and Shaheen will be leading Pakistan attack for next 10 years.

Hasnain seems to be a bright talent but work needs to be done on him. If he works hard he can be the third bowler along with Naseem and Shaheen.

Musa is extremely rubbish and will not be any good in internationals.

 

[topspin]

Hello everyone this is ayesha from Karachi, I just wanted to share my opinion about our cricket team. They lose every match, they should be kick out of the team. The whole team should be replaced and bring some athletic players. At least not fatty guys who can't even run...!

Looool

 

[Bewal Express]

Musa looks to be hopeless.

Where is Hasnain nowadays? He should be with the team like Musa and bowl to the best players in the nets.

Don't rule out Musa altogether. No doubt he ain't ready but he does have decent pace and with hard work, he could still make a career.

 

[khan_aa]

Naseem was poor in Australia? We clearly weren’t watching the same one test match where he bowled well, gave Warner trouble, got a wicket off no ball and then was ‘rested man by our captain in second innings.

Aussie commentators seemed to like him, but I guess you are far more experienced and greater of a cricketer than the Australian experts. :

Any evidence that he’s not 16? Please provide.

 

[Markhor]

Keep Naseem away from PS-Hell and assorted leagues during his development phase. Let Haris Rauf be our white ball specialist pacer. The more 4 day cricket Nasim plays, the more he'll learn about how to set up a batsman and how to bowl with new ball.

He has very good control over length for a youngster and complements Abbas and Shaheen well.

 

[shariqnoor]

Shaheen is eons ahead of the rest of the 3. His lines and lengths are getting better day and day and hopefully he'll become a 250 wicket bowler in Tests.

Naseem has some good points like a good action, reasonable amount of pace and decent attitude. However he still hasn't learned the art of bowling Test match lengths. If you pick any over of Naseem, you'll find atleast 4 different lengths. He will never succeed in international Test cricket unless he masters bowling 1 stock length consistently. Decent prospect though and can get better.

Hasnain and Musa are not even worth investing on.

 

[Mamoon]

Naseem was poor in Australia? We clearly weren’t watching the same one test match where he bowled well, gave Warner trouble, got a wicket off no ball and then was ‘rested man by our captain in second innings.

Aussie commentators seemed to like him, but I guess you are far more experienced and greater of a cricketer than the Australian experts. :

Any evidence that he’s not 16? Please provide.

The evidence is all over the Internet. There are videos and articles on him from September 2016 when Andy Roberts worked with him in Karachi and was quite impressed with his pace for a 16 year old.

There are three possibilities:

(1) he was 13 year old in 2016 and Any Roberts mistook him for a 16 year old. If that is true then he is the oldest looking 13 year old I have ever seen and probably the fastest 13 year old bowler ever. Has he made it to Guinness records?

Or

(2) PCB did some voodoo magic to ensure that he stops aging. That is why he has been 16 for the last 3 years.

Or

(3) PCB fudged his age so that they could accommodate him in certain tournaments etc. this is the reason why most players end up with fake ages anyway, because 2-3 years can make or break a career at junior levels.

I know which one sounds credible. As far as presenting evidence is concerned, I don’t think the mods will allow it.

If you use Twitter, just search for Naseem real age and you will be directed to plenty of evidence that PCB now wants us to forget us as they advertise him as the new Tendulkar who was making records in Test cricket at the age of 16.


ICC really needs to be more vigilant when it comes to awarding Pakistani and Afghani players with “youngest to achieve XYZ” records. Our players have no credibility when it comes to their ages.

Furthermore, yes I think he bowled poorly in Australia. The reason why Australian commentators were hyping him up was because PCB was pretending that he is 16 years old. His fake age is a huge factor in the amount of hype that he generates.

Every time the Australians would praise him, they would mention his age. That is why he grabbed their attention.

If PCB had a shred of honesty and weren’t covering up his real age of 19-20, he wouldn’t be getting all the limelight.

Anyway, it is not that big a deal as long as people are not shoving his fake age down each other’s throats. It is not like he is 30 or something. Most probably not even 21, so he has plenty of years left in the tank.

 

[Titan24]

Keep Naseem away from PS-Hell and assorted leagues during his development phase. Let Haris Rauf be our white ball specialist pacer. The more 4 day cricket Nasim plays, the more he'll learn about how to set up a batsman and how to bowl with new ball.

He has very good control over length for a youngster and complements Abbas and Shaheen well.

I dont mind seeing that happening but I think its unrealistic in the modern era. Even top young pacers of Eng will be playing in the 100 while Cummins and Hazlewood are playing in IPL and Indian pacers also play in IPL. PSL is a golden goose for PCB just like T20 leagues of other boards so they want to maximize the brand value by having their top talents playing that,

Yes one can argue that participation of young pacers like Naseem and Shaheen in the overseas league to be restricted upto a certain age like maybe 24-25. I think it can actually be very good if PCB can have their contract in such a way.

 

[Pete Rose]

Keep Naseem away from PS-Hell and assorted leagues during his development phase. Let Haris Rauf be our white ball specialist pacer. The more 4 day cricket Nasim plays, the more he'll learn about how to set up a batsman and how to bowl with new ball.

He has very good control over length for a youngster and complements Abbas and Shaheen well.

think pakistan needs five fast bowlers that can hit hard lengths and bowl with stamina in test cricket.
Personally feel that faheem ashraf can play as a genuine pacer (not as all rounder). need to see where Hasan Ali's heart is when it comes to test cricket.

As an outside bet, I am still curious if Adil Ehsan can get a look in before the england tour - he has the lowest economy (decent average) of all the fast bowlers in new look domestic structure.

Sadly dont see much potential in Musa and Shinwari at test level.

None of this is to

 

[sshakir411]

Shaheen is the best of the lot. Probably because he came through the U19 channel and works hard. Just needs to stay focused and maximize his growth under Waqar. Applies to all young pacers but Shaheen is special.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Shaheen is the best of the lot. Probably because he came through the U19 channel and works hard. Just needs to stay focused and maximize his growth under Waqar. Applies to all young pacers but Shaheen is special.

He is taller. So he will be naturally effective in some places without having to do anything special.

 

[Shazzam]

Hello everyone this is ayesha from Karachi, I just wanted to share my opinion about our cricket team. They lose every match, they should be kick out of the team. The whole team should be replaced and bring some athletic players. At least not fatty guys who can't even run...!

Probably your first post but very sensible. Welcome to Pakpassion.

 

[AFM]

I honestly don't understand the Hasnain hype on PP. He is a poor man's Sami.

 

[Titan24]

I honestly don't understand the Hasnain hype on PP. He is a poor man's Sami.

He is taller and has improved his direction and seem position recently. Sami's problem wasnt that he was Sami rather he remained Sami throughout and didnt improve. Normally you expect a young pacer to atleast improve a little bit going forward.

 

[Forum363]

The evidence is all over the Internet. There are videos and articles on him from September 2016 when Andy Roberts worked with him in Karachi and was quite impressed with his pace for a 16 year old.

There are three possibilities:

(1) he was 13 year old in 2016 and Any Roberts mistook him for a 16 year old. If that is true then he is the oldest looking 13 year old I have ever seen and probably the fastest 13 year old bowler ever. Has he made it to Guinness records?

Or

(2) PCB did some voodoo magic to ensure that he stops aging. That is why he has been 16 for the last 3 years.

Or

(3) PCB fudged his age so that they could accommodate him in certain tournaments etc. this is the reason why most players end up with fake ages anyway, because 2-3 years can make or break a career at junior levels.

I know which one sounds credible. As far as presenting evidence is concerned, I don’t think the mods will allow it.

If you use Twitter, just search for Naseem real age and you will be directed to plenty of evidence that PCB now wants us to forget us as they advertise him as the new Tendulkar who was making records in Test cricket at the age of 16.


ICC really needs to be more vigilant when it comes to awarding Pakistani and Afghani players with “youngest to achieve XYZ” records. Our players have no credibility when it comes to their ages.

Furthermore, yes I think he bowled poorly in Australia. The reason why Australian commentators were hyping him up was because PCB was pretending that he is 16 years old. His fake age is a huge factor in the amount of hype that he generates.

Every time the Australians would praise him, they would mention his age. That is why he grabbed their attention.

If PCB had a shred of honesty and weren’t covering up his real age of 19-20, he wouldn’t be getting all the limelight.

Anyway, it is not that big a deal as long as people are not shoving his fake age down each other’s throats. It is not like he is 30 or something. Most probably not even 21, so he has plenty of years left in the tank.

Agree with most of your post except the last part.

He was no where near poor.

To bowl with that much pace and accuracy on debut against a rampaging Australian batting line up, who are decimating far more experienced New Zealand bowlers, is a good achievement. He was inexperienced and has a lot of room for improvement but was definitely not poor.

Even if he was 19/20, to bowl like that on debut in foreign conditions is laudable.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Not hyping, but if all three of Naseem, Shaheen and Hasnain are developed properly, this might end up being the fastest pace attack in world cricket. An attack which will make fans from all over the world tune in to watch Pakistan play.

It should be the utmost priority to take care of these three individuals. Not let them fall away, or let dirty politics ruin them.

Mouthwatering prospect not just for Pakistan, but for world cricket.

 

[sshakir411]

He is taller. So he will be naturally effective in some places without having to do anything special.

No. Shaheen is special because he can get the ball to swing. Height is a plus. This was true during the WC too. He got more movement than Amir did in the tournament.

 

[tyron_woodley]

husnain isn't good enough to bowl in tests. He has poor stamina.

rauf is perfect for odi and t20. Serious potential to be effective in shorter format. Not ready for tests yet.

shaheen all format player cause he is already elite.
Naseem possibly an all format player as well. world class talent
sameen gul - twst specialist prospect.

 

[Xoib]

husnain isn't good enough to bowl in tests. He has poor stamina.

rauf is perfect for odi and t20. Serious potential to be effective in shorter format. Not ready for tests yet.

shaheen all format player cause he is already elite.
Naseem possibly an all format player as well. world class talent
sameen gul - twst specialist prospect.

Hasnain can be as good as Naseem and Shaheen he is faster then both and has a perfect pacer height 6-2. He is very raw but has top basic skills if he can be polished and can improve his stamina he could be very much in cummins mold as a third pacer of this attack.

 

[Artaxerxes]

husnain isn't good enough to bowl in tests. He has poor stamina.

rauf is perfect for odi and t20. Serious potential to be effective in shorter format. Not ready for tests yet.

shaheen all format player cause he is already elite.
Naseem possibly an all format player as well. world class talent
sameen gul - twst specialist prospect.

A good bowler can take wickets in any format so it is wrong to say label Hasnain as a limited overs bowler.He needs to work on his fitness.If he is fit then he will be fine.In tests he can bowl short spells at full pace

 

[sindhiboy]

shaheen and naseem have now begun a new era of pakistan's fast bowling.
these two will be bowling together for the next 15 years barring any injuries. very exciting times ahead.

husnain looks good , he has potential but not sure how far he will go. never thought musa was any special

instead, sameen gul looks much more promising, bowls well on unresponsive pitches and is the line and length bowler like hazlewood. he is the needed replacement of abbas , he must join naseem and shaheen trio one day

 

[shamaan]

In tests
Shaheen,sameen gull,naseem shah,abbas,ammad butt.

In odi
Rauf, husnain, shaheen,musa,fahim ashraf

T20s
Shaheen,rauf,naseem,husnain,ammad butt

 

[khan_aa]

The evidence is all over the Internet. There are videos and articles on him from September 2016 when Andy Roberts worked with him in Karachi and was quite impressed with his pace for a 16 year old.

There are three possibilities:

(1) he was 13 year old in 2016 and Any Roberts mistook him for a 16 year old. If that is true then he is the oldest looking 13 year old I have ever seen and probably the fastest 13 year old bowler ever. Has he made it to Guinness records?

Or

(2) PCB did some voodoo magic to ensure that he stops aging. That is why he has been 16 for the last 3 years.

Or

(3) PCB fudged his age so that they could accommodate him in certain tournaments etc. this is the reason why most players end up with fake ages anyway, because 2-3 years can make or break a career at junior levels.

I know which one sounds credible. As far as presenting evidence is concerned, I don’t think the mods will allow it.

If you use Twitter, just search for Naseem real age and you will be directed to plenty of evidence that PCB now wants us to forget us as they advertise him as the new Tendulkar who was making records in Test cricket at the age of 16.


ICC really needs to be more vigilant when it comes to awarding Pakistani and Afghani players with “youngest to achieve XYZ” records. Our players have no credibility when it comes to their ages.

Furthermore, yes I think he bowled poorly in Australia. The reason why Australian commentators were hyping him up was because PCB was pretending that he is 16 years old. His fake age is a huge factor in the amount of hype that he generates.

Every time the Australians would praise him, they would mention his age. That is why he grabbed their attention.

If PCB had a shred of honesty and weren’t covering up his real age of 19-20, he wouldn’t be getting all the limelight.

Anyway, it is not that big a deal as long as people are not shoving his fake age down each other’s throats. It is not like he is 30 or something. Most probably not even 21, so he has plenty of years left in the tank.

Again, bunch of words but lacking any concrete response. Please provide a birth certificate for Naseem shah which will disprove that he’s not his stated age. What someone’s uncle says on the internet doesn’t count as evidence. He’s in contention for U19 WC.
Of note, please look at shahid Afridi’s 37 ball 100 against SL. He was also stated to be 16 years old at that time. In 2007, he looked 26 and 2019, he looks like he’s 38 years old - not 45. Just because someone looks older doesn’t mean that they’re lying about their age.

Cricinfo again released an article today stating how Naseem shah made an impression in Australia and impressed everyone.

 

[Mamoon]

Again, bunch of words but lacking any concrete response. Please provide a birth certificate for Naseem shah which will disprove that he’s not his stated age. What someone’s uncle says on the internet doesn’t count as evidence. He’s in contention for U19 WC.
Of note, please look at shahid Afridi’s 37 ball 100 against SL. He was also stated to be 16 years old at that time. In 2007, he looked 26 and 2019, he looks like he’s 38 years old - not 45. Just because someone looks older doesn’t mean that they’re lying about their age.

Cricinfo again released an article today stating how Naseem shah made an impression in Australia and impressed everyone.

If you want to close your eyes and live in denial, you can believe anything. You can believe that Naseem is 16. Heck, you can believe that he is 13 years old if you want to. The power of imagination is endless.

As far as proof is concerned, what proof do you need when he himself confirmed to Saj that he is not 16?

Please go through the following thread and check Saj’s posts regarding Naseem’s age.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...irst-class-international-or-just-let-them-be&

Saj said that Naseem himself told him that he is not 16, the PCB themselves called him a 16 year old in 2016, but you want me to show you his birth certificate because you are still adamant that everyone - including Naseem himself - lied about his age previously and he is actually 16.

Participation in U-19 means nothing. That competition has a lot of 20-21 year olds playing.

Furthermore, if you think Afridi was actually 16 in 1996, you clearly have no clue about the age-fudging in Pakistan cricket. Your probably think that Waqar was only 32 in 2003 and Iftikhar is only 29 today.

Afridi was actually 21 in 1996. If you watch the highlights of that innings, you will see that his official age at that time was 21 before it was changed to 16 due to unexplained reasons.

Before you ask me for his birth certificate, Afridi himself stated in his book that his actual year of birth is 1975 and not 1980, which means that he was just over 16 when Pakistan won the 1992 World Cup.

 

[MenInG]

Once again.

Some people cant get over his age. Every other thread the same broken record.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That was missing in the Pakistani <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> bowlers during their Test Series with the Aussies!! <a href="https://t.co/viuCarEdUT">https://t.co/viuCarEdUT</a></p>— Faisal Iqbal&#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;&#55356;&#57295; فیصل اقبال (@FaisalIqbalCric) <a href="https://twitter.com/FaisalIqbalCric/status/1209989514502037504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Naseem, youngest to take the hat trick in tests
Hasnain, youngest to take the hat trick in t20is
And Shaheen is Shaheen

 

[IAJ]

I still hope Hasnain can sort out his line and length. With his hight and pace he can become a force in Test cricket in the longer run.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I still hope Hasnain can sort out his line and length. With his hight and pace he can become a force in Test cricket in the longer run.

For that he needs to develop a wicket-taking mindset too. Hasnain will be exposed in Test cricket, because at this stage he simply does not know how to set a batsman up.

Hasnain should be encouraged to develop into an express pace bowler. Beat the batsmen in the air, in short bursts. Right now he is being worked on regarding his run-up and development of a stock out-swing delivery. Which is fine, but he will become a real asset if he is encouraged to be a proper speed demon. Someone like Lockie Ferguson, who takes the pitch/conditions out of the equation on his good days.

 

[tyron_woodley]

For that he needs to develop a wicket-taking mindset too. Hasnain will be exposed in Test cricket, because at this stage he simply does not know how to set a batsman up.

Hasnain should be encouraged to develop into an express pace bowler. Beat the batsmen in the air, in short bursts. Right now he is being worked on regarding his run-up and development of a stock out-swing delivery. Which is fine, but he will become a real asset if he is encouraged to be a proper speed demon. Someone like Lockie Ferguson, who takes the pitch/conditions out of the equation on his good days.

Ferguson spends more time in the hospital bed than in training though. Don't want husnain to end up like that. Husnain should just focus on lengths and extract bounce. Ball a heavy ball. That's all.

 

[Danyaalr01]

Shaheen is currently the best of the lot. Naseem is at 2. Hasnain and Musa are at similar levels, Hasnain is probably slightly ahead.

It's clear that SHaheen and Naseem will be Pakistan's 2 top bowlers in the coming years.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

So far

Shaheen is the leader of the attack in all 3 formats

Hasnain has improved a bit in white ball cricket, which is good to see

Naseem has been all hype with little no substance

Musa is there to fill the vacant slots and on paid vacations

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Going through the posts most had put Naseem at #2 and many had predicted him to be the leader of the pace attack in the future. Clearly shows it was all hype.

On a side note Hasnain was rated below Musa by some. Good to see him putting in the effort

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Going through the posts most had put Naseem at #2 and many had predicted him to be the leader of the pace attack in the future. Clearly shows it was all hype.

On a side note Hasnain was rated below Musa by some. Good to see him putting in the effort

Why was it all hype? Based off a match where he’s coming back from injury and not bowling at full throttle? When he’s still 17 or 18 years old rather than 25 for when the predictions have been made for?

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Why was it all hype? Based off a match where he’s coming back from injury and not bowling at full throttle? When he’s still 17 or 18 years old rather than 25 for when the predictions have been made for?

No, not based off a match where he’s coming back from injury, but based on the

Tour of Australia
Tour of England
Tour of New Zealand

If your messiah can’t perform on some of the best pitches for pacers then I don’t know where he’ll

 

[Thunderbolt14]

No, not based off a match where he’s coming back from injury, but based on the

Tour of Australia
Tour of England
Tour of New Zealand

If your messiah can’t perform on some of the best pitches for pacers then I don’t know where he’ll

Firstly, he’s not my messiah. Nor is he anyone’s messiah except certain posters comparing him to Fred Trueman.

However, he has some very good raw ingredients and will end up a very good bowler by the age of 25 if developed properly.

He was selected and debuted before he was ready - hence the tours you’re referring to. Still he has the wickets of Warner (technically twice if we were to include the no ball) and Root, among others.

He needs to develop a consistent line and length. This is developed through long spells in first class cricket, which he was denied the privilege of playing in. When he gets it right, like in his second spell today, you see some beautiful balls. His issue is not being able to deliver those consistently, which very few bowlers, even some greats of the game, could do as teenagers.

Do not blame him for improper selection and mismanagement of his development process.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Comparison is unfair to shaheen. Only one to play all formats and has a decent test record and was Pakistan's most impactful bowler at last years world cup.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Shaheen is the real deal.
Musa looks below average.
Hasnain - always prone to getting a phainty, atleast he is tall and fast. Can't say much about him.
Naseem- action, speed, jazba everything looks spot on but obviously needs to sweat it out in domestics

 

[Slim]

Shaheen is babar azam level i-e World Class. Rest are just potentials as of now and havent shown anything substantial yet.

 

[Slog]

Shaheen Shah is the only potential top class player and even his ceiling isn’t as high as our fans would think.

The rest are all domestic level bowlers who could have a 32-33 average career

 

[shamaan]

shaheen is the leader of the attack and ahead of the others by a mile.
Naseem is under performing at the moment but he does create chances

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

What about m ilyas is he not better than all except shaheen