Shakib Al Hasan becomes fastest to 200-wicket, 3,000-run double

[RainMan_]

Sabbatical Hasan needs to win a couple of important cups for his team to be relevant. He’s a good player against lesser oppositions but the best? Good joke, Sunil.

Poor observation. He doesn't need to win big tournaments to appear as one of the best players in the world. Cricket is a team sport, not an individual one.

U can be the very best and can do everything that u possibly can from ur position but if ur team can't resupricate that it will be difficult for u to win big cups.

Just think about Tendulkar in 90s. His team used to be beaten like a nobody and won almost nothing during that period but his individual performance was examplery. If sachin had retired in 2000, he still would've considered as one of the best batters of world cricket. Same with shakib. Shakib is already one of the greatest all rounders of all time and will continue to be remembered as one of the best cricketers of modern cricket irrespective of what Bangladesh achieves as a team.

 

[RainMan_]

Lmao. Coward can never be best in anything.

Don't post nonsensical one liners if u can't back it up with proper evidence. Shakib is one of the bravest cricketers in world cricket who didn't hesitate to put his country ahead of his career and physical well being. He played the Asia cup with a severe injury by knowing fully he can get disabled by doing such things.

That's how brave he is. He has never backed out of a fight because he knows that as a player, he's superior to the rest of the other players playing this sport.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Not sure how many here have seen Sunil Joshi play. He was very similar player like Shakib...both were bits and pieces all rounder who bowls left arm off spin and can hold bat a bit. So I can see from where Joshi is coming from. In Joshi's case however he won Ind Titan Cup in 1996...Shakib is yet to win a tournament for his team.

But Joshi was praising Shakib only bcoz BCB pays him and maybe was laughing inside when he said he was the best ODI player at present. More hilarious thing is, BD fans thought he actually meant it

 

[Stalin]

Not sure how many here have seen Sunil Joshi play. He was very similar player like Shakib...both were bits and pieces all rounder who bowls left arm off spin and can hold bat a bit. So I can see from where Joshi is coming from. In Joshi's case however he won Ind Titan Cup in 1996...Shakib is yet to win a tournament for his team.

But Joshi was praising Shakib only bcoz BCB pays him and maybe was laughing inside when he said he was the best ODI player at present. More hilarious thing is, BD fans thought he actually meant it

Buckle up. You're gonna be "Rained" on in a moment.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Not sure how many here have seen Sunil Joshi play. He was very similar player like Shakib...both were bits and pieces all rounder who bowls left arm off spin and can hold bat a bit. So I can see from where Joshi is coming from. In Joshi's case however he won Ind Titan Cup in 1996...Shakib is yet to win a tournament for his team.

But Joshi was praising Shakib only bcoz BCB pays him and maybe was laughing inside when he said he was the best ODI player at present. More hilarious thing is, BD fans thought he actually meant it

Joshi had a 5/6 against SA. Hasan "skipped" the SA tour.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Shakib is the main reason why Bangladesh started winning against good teams, without Shakib Bangladesh is nothing. Need to find a replacement for him as he’s going to retire soon

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

Joshi had a 5/6 against SA. Hasan "skipped" the SA tour.

Shakib Al Hasan was the joint highest wicket taker in the 2008-09 test series IN South Africa , featuring The likes of Steyn, Ntini, Morkel and Kallis with Smith, Amla and De Villiers in batting

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Not sure how many here have seen Sunil Joshi play. He was very similar player like Shakib...both were bits and pieces all rounder who bowls left arm off spin and can hold bat a bit. So I can see from where Joshi is coming from. In Joshi's case however he won Ind Titan Cup in 1996...Shakib is yet to win a tournament for his team.

But Joshi was praising Shakib only bcoz BCB pays him and maybe was laughing inside when he said he was the best ODI player at present. More hilarious thing is, BD fans thought he actually meant it

Joshi is India’s all time best all rounder

 

[TM Riddle]

Joshi is India’s all time best all rounder

Yup in the same Universe where Ashraful 'rocks'.

 

[MenInG]

Bangladesh captain Shakib Al Hasan has been fined 15 per cent of his match fee for breaching Level 1 of the ICC Code of Conduct during the first T20I against the Windies in Sylhet on Monday.

Shakib was found to have breached Article 2.8 of the ICC Code of Conduct for Players and Player Support Personnel, which relates to “showing dissent at an umpire’s decision”.

In addition to this, one demerit point has been added to the disciplinary record of Shakib, for whom it was the second offence since the introduction of the demerit system in September 2016. Shakib now has two demerit points, having been handed one demerit point for an offence during a T20I against Sri Lanka in March this year.

The incident involving Shakib happened in the 14th over of Bangladesh’s innings when the left-hander, who was at the striker’s end, showed dissent at the umpire’s decision of not calling a wide when he first shouted at the umpire and then got involved in a prolonged discussion.

After the end of the match, Shakib admitted the offence and accepted the sanction proposed by Jeff Crowe of the Emirates ICC Elite Panel of Umpires and, as such, there was no need for a formal hearing.

The charge was levelled by on-field umpires Saikat Sharfuddoula and Tanvir Ahmed, third umpire Masudur Rahman and fourth umpire Gazi Sohel.

Level 1 breaches carry a minimum penalty of an official reprimand, a maximum penalty of 50 per cent of a player’s match fee, and one or two demerit points.

Note that:

When a player reaches four or more demerit points within a 24-month period, they are converted into suspension points and a player is bannedTwo suspension points equate to a ban from one Test or two ODIs or two T20Is, whatever comes first for the playerDemerit Points to remain on a Player or Player Support Personnel’s disciplinary record for a period of twenty-four (24) months from their imposition following which they will be expunged

https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/947681

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Good lord another code of conduct issue for Shakib? When will this guy learn?

Its becoming a norm now in almost every series he plays. Still remember how he charged into the dressing room with a bat and broke down the glasses in SL. Absolutely aweful attitude for an international captain.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Shakib Al Hasan fined 15% for shouting at the umpire in the last T20 against West Indies.

 

[light]

Congrats on the achievement. Good player (no great) in his own right but definitely not in the top 10 all rounders of all time. Playing for a weak team like BD also helped him interms of longevity. If he was playing for other stronger teams like India, obviously he wont be playing so many test matches.

Jadeja played how many matches? If a crappy player like him can, surely this guy would have gotten way more chances. Homeboy been playing and representing us as an allrounder, still bats like a #11. And did rainman just said best all time allrounder? This guy serious? LOL

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

Another great performance from Shakib Al Hasan, gets a 5 wicket vs the current t20 world champions West Indies on the flattest of pitches and also scores an unbeaten 40. Keeps up his performance in all three formats

This after he had fever before the match

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Shakib 1, Unpires 0. Is shakib getting into trouble with the same Bangladeshi umpire, the umpire with the beard. I think he has an agenda against Shakib.

 

[Executioner]

Shakib is the best allrounder in T20I cricket ever if I am not mistaken

40+ runs and a 5-for, first person to do that
4th highest wicket taker in the format

No. 1 T20I allrounder for a reason

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Shakib is the best allrounder in T20I cricket ever if I am not mistaken

40+ runs and a 5-for, first person to do that
4th highest wicket taker in the format

No. 1 T20I allrounder for a reason

I dont agree Shakib is best T20 all rounder. Most teams would pick Rashid Khan, Sunil Narine, Andre Russell, Hardik Pandya, Ben Stokes, Shahid Afridi etc as bowling all rounder over Shakib. These are just on top of my head, there may be few more. T20s is all about impact and these above mentioned players have potential to cause bigger impact in a 20 overs game than Shakib.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

I think I read somewhere Shakib is also the third highest wicket taker in T20s all time now , closing in on the all time highest mark

 

[Executioner]

I dont agree Shakib is best T20 all rounder. Most teams would pick Rashid Khan, Sunil Narine, Andre Russell, Hardik Pandya, Ben Stokes, Shahid Afridi etc as bowling all rounder over Shakib. These are just on top of my head, there may be few more. T20s is all about impact and these above mentioned players have potential to cause bigger impact in a 20 overs game than Shakib.

best T20I allrounder

His performance is superior to all those others

 

[Mainul]

I dont agree Shakib is best T20 all rounder. Most teams would pick Rashid Khan, Sunil Narine, Andre Russell, Hardik Pandya, Ben Stokes, Shahid Afridi etc as bowling all rounder over Shakib. These are just on top of my head, there may be few more. T20s is all about impact and these above mentioned players have potential to cause bigger impact in a 20 overs game than Shakib.

Ranking is the main and only indicator of choosing who is the best . Shakib at present is at no 3. But in last few years if you see who was the no 1 all rounder most of the time you will see that Shakib is there. The names you have put up there ,even they are not in top 10,LOL. I don't count IPL at all, it is a domestic league . You have to count only international games to decide.

 

[Hitman]

Ranking is the main and only indicator of choosing who is the best . Shakib at present is at no 3. But in last few years if you see who was the no 1 all rounder most of the time you will see that Shakib is there. The names you have put up there ,even they are not in top 10,LOL. I don't count IPL at all, it is a domestic league . You have to count only international games to decide.

Yea, except when it comes to team rankings, right?

 

[Hasan2K8]

Bangladesher jaan and pran was excellent ! 5fer on a flat wicket there was heavy dew having to grip control his lines wasn't easy but man like Shakib shown his true class.

Best All rounder in LOIS. Has dominated it for so any years. There was a time for 2-3 years he was top ODI ALR.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Ranking is the main and only indicator of choosing who is the best . Shakib at present is at no 3. But in last few years if you see who was the no 1 all rounder most of the time you will see that Shakib is there. The names you have put up there ,even they are not in top 10,LOL. I don't count IPL at all, it is a domestic league . You have to count only international games to decide.

LOL, no its not. Definitely not in T20s atleast. I was not even aware Shakib is rank 3 until you told me. I thought he is no.1 rank still.

But anyway, moot point is not many outside BD rate Shakib as an all rounder. T20 is an impact game, Shakib neither has power game like say Andre Russel nor he is exceptionally good with ball like a Rashid Khan. He is just a bits and pieces cricketer and not even 5 best T20 all rounder in my view.

There is a reason KKR preferred Sunil Narine and benched Shakib in most matches.

 

[light]

I really want to know how these points are being accumulated. In my book Stokes is much more of an impact player than shakib however he is somewhere in the middle in ranking? Why? And why is Rashid khan listed as a top odi allrounder? Since when did this man become an allrounder? It seems like any bowler who can swing the bat a bit is listed as an allrounder these days. There are legit 2 complete allrounder in this current generation: Shakib and Stokes. These two are capable of either winning with either the bat/ball. The rest are bits/pieces- should not be even considered as an allrounder - Either can bat and ball a bit or vise versa.

 

[Executioner]

LOL, no its not. Definitely not in T20s atleast. I was not even aware Shakib is rank 3 until you told me. I thought he is no.1 rank still.

But anyway, moot point is not many outside BD rate Shakib as an all rounder. T20 is an impact game, Shakib neither has power game like say Andre Russel nor he is exceptionally good with ball like a Rashid Khan. He is just a bits and pieces cricketer and not even 5 best T20 all rounder in my view.

There is a reason KKR preferred Sunil Narine and benched Shakib in most matches.

Narine played mainly as a bowler chucking away.

Shakib is a genuin allrounder. And you talk about impact? Shakib has low average and ER of 6.75.

And he then bats and scores important runs. Shakib is an impactful batsman. His average with bat is better than stokes in all format.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Narine played mainly as a bowler chucking away.

Shakib is a genuin allrounder. And you talk about impact? Shakib has low average and ER of 6.75.

And he then bats and scores important runs. Shakib is an impactful batsman. His average with bat is better than stokes in all format.

Shakib is a very good player. But playing for a weaker team has its merits. He bats at 4-5 for BD, with an average in mid 30s, will get to bat at mostly 7 or below for other teams limiting his opportunities to score.

Look at ICC all rounder rankings. In Tests, Shakib is at 415, Jadeja is at 384, Philander is at 370 and Holder is at 365. All three have those many points despite playing mostly as bowlers.A couple of decent shows with bat and they'll move ahead of Shakib.

In ODIs, Rashid Khan is ahead of Shakib with Nabi close on his heels.

In T20s, Maxwell and Nabi are ahead of Shakib.

See how it works?

Also, just as a corollary, Andy Flower averages 50+ as a keeper batsman, does not make him a better keeper batsman than Gilchrist.

 

[Executioner]

People talk about this nonsense called "impact" and that Shakib doesn't have it.

Tell me why Shakib is one of the few players who have the following records:

2x Century + 10wicket haul in same match in tests
40+ runs and 5 wicket hauls in a T20I match.
Several 50+ and 2+ wickets in the same ODI match.

Shakib is one of THE most impactful cricketer in the world. He has the ability to be picked in many sides based on batting or bowling alone. End of argument.

 

[Executioner]

Shakib is a very good player. But playing for a weaker team has its merits. He bats at 4-5 for BD, with an average in mid 30s, will get to bat at mostly 7 or below for other teams limiting his opportunities to score.

Look at ICC all rounder rankings. In Tests, Shakib is at 415, Jadeja is at 384, Philander is at 370 and Holder is at 365. All three have those many points despite playing mostly as bowlers.A couple of decent shows with bat and they'll move ahead of Shakib.

In ODIs, Rashid Khan is ahead of Shakib with Nabi close on his heels.

In T20s, Maxwell and Nabi are ahead of Shakib.

See how it works?

Also, just as a corollary, Andy Flower averages 50+ as a keeper batsman, does not make him a better keeper batsman than Gilchrist.

Shakib debuted with at the age of 18 back in 2006 with better wickets. If you see his recent performances he is a much better batsman.

Yes in tests he is superior to all other allrounders performance wise. His average is 40, and is a genuine bowler. No contest.

Rashid Khan and Nabi are close to Shakib in allrounder rankings because these 2 have played a great deal of ODIs against weaker sides except for the Asia Cup. Shakib has had injury problems but everytime he has played fully fit he has been impactful. Rashid Khan's bowling got him to the top, his batting is just bonus. Shakib in that respect is superior.

As for T20Is, yes Max and Nabi are ahead but with Shakib's current performance he will go ahead.

What you are missing is that Shakib is almost always at the top, and at times he is no. 1 in all formats. And he has maintaned this for the last 6/7 years. Now the question is, how many cricketers have been this good in all formats of the game? Kohli, Williamson to name a few.

Sunil Joshi mentioned in an interview that Shakib is not only the best player in Bangladesh, he is arguably the best player in the world. Now Joshi might be a BD coach but he speaks with a great deal of confidence when he says it. I personally think someone like Kohli, Root are more valuable assets, but Shakib isn't too far behind as he is a genuine allrounder. Name one quality genuine allrounder barring him and stokes?

Also Flower did have a better average than Gilly but Gilly is rated higher but Andy Flower is a certified legend of the game and greatest ever cricketer from Zimbabwe.

 

[cricketindiafan]

People talk about this nonsense called "impact" and that Shakib doesn't have it.

Tell me why Shakib is one of the few players who have the following records:

2x Century + 10wicket haul in same match in tests - Once , vs Zimbabwe
40+ runs and 5 wicket hauls in a T20I match. LOL what kind of a criteria is this. Why 40 and not 50? If its 40 why not 4 wickets instead of 5 wickets then? Because that criteria makes Shakib the only one to do so?
Several 50+ and 2+ wickets in the same ODI match. Again weird criteria

Shakib is one of THE most impactful cricketer in the world. He has the ability to be picked in many sides based on batting or bowling alone. End of argument.

Because he plays for BD where he doesn't have to share runs or wickets many times with others. He is the greatest for BD obviously.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Narine played mainly as a bowler chucking away.

Shakib is a genuin allrounder. And you talk about impact? Shakib has low average and ER of 6.75.

And he then bats and scores important runs. Shakib is an impactful batsman. His average with bat is better than stokes in all format.

Wrong, I am talking about 2017 IPL when Sunil Narine was bowling with revamped action. He by then also improved his batting and power hitting so much, that he regularly opened for KKR and Shakib was benched.

Also love the way everytime you remind everyone here "He is a genuine all rounder" Well, no one is denying that he is. But you guys (BD Fans) really over estimate him than the player he actually is. All the players I have listed above are better T20 all rounders than Shakib.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

BD fans need to calm down a bit when it comes to Shakib. They need to understand that most people outside BD dont rate him much because he is not an impact player. Especially, in T20 cricket which is just a flash in the pan, there are many all rounders who wipes the floor with Shakib. And we saw all that in IPL when Sunil Narine regularly preferred over Shakib by KKR. And last year, Rashid Khan outperformed Shakib both with bat and ball playing for SRH.

We can all get patriotic and bring all stats/rankings etc. to show Shakib as best allrounder. But he is simply not, sorry.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Shakib debuted with at the age of 18 back in 2006 with better wickets. If you see his recent performances he is a much better batsman.

Yes in tests he is superior to all other allrounders performance wise. His average is 40, and is a genuine bowler. No contest.

Rashid Khan and Nabi are close to Shakib in allrounder rankings because these 2 have played a great deal of ODIs against weaker sides except for the Asia Cup. Shakib has had injury problems but everytime he has played fully fit he has been impactful. Rashid Khan's bowling got him to the top, his batting is just bonus. Shakib in that respect is superior.

As for T20Is, yes Max and Nabi are ahead but with Shakib's current performance he will go ahead.

What you are missing is that Shakib is almost always at the top, and at times he is no. 1 in all formats. And he has maintaned this for the last 6/7 years. Now the question is, how many cricketers have been this good in all formats of the game? Kohli, Williamson to name a few.

Sunil Joshi mentioned in an interview that Shakib is not only the best player in Bangladesh, he is arguably the best player in the world. Now Joshi might be a BD coach but he speaks with a great deal of confidence when he says it. I personally think someone like Kohli, Root are more valuable assets, but Shakib isn't too far behind as he is a genuine allrounder. Name one quality genuine allrounder barring him and stokes?

Also Flower did have a better average than Gilly but Gilly is rated higher but Andy Flower is a certified legend of the game and greatest ever cricketer from Zimbabwe.

Understand the sentiments but he is not the best player in the world and will not even get into World 11 across formats.

 

[Mainul]

Yea, except when it comes to team rankings, right?

I never claimed BD as 2nd best team in Asia. I do respect ranking,stat and results.

 

[Mainul]

LOL, no its not. Definitely not in T20s atleast. I was not even aware Shakib is rank 3 until you told me. I thought he is no.1 rank still.

But anyway, moot point is not many outside BD rate Shakib as an all rounder. T20 is an impact game, Shakib neither has power game like say Andre Russel nor he is exceptionally good with ball like a Rashid Khan. He is just a bits and pieces cricketer and not even 5 best T20 all rounder in my view.

There is a reason KKR preferred Sunil Narine and benched Shakib in most matches.

LOL.Its solely your opinion which is logicless, baseless actually. Ranking and stats are there to settle these kind of disputes and any baseless claims. Who said that nobody outside BD don't recognize Shakib? Probably you don't see expert opinions and commentary of BD's match and you don't see Shakib in action. Did you see yesterday's match ,how impactful was Shakib?
I knew you will raise IPL,that's why I said it at the first place that there is no comparison between IPL( an Indian domestic league ) with international matches. Except Indians and those hugely paid experts who only speaks for money nobody rates IPL. Narine don't get place in WI team, who cares about KKR?

 

[Mainul]

BD fans need to calm down a bit when it comes to Shakib. They need to understand that most people outside BD dont rate him much because he is not an impact player. Especially, in T20 cricket which is just a flash in the pan, there are many all rounders who wipes the floor with Shakib. And we saw all that in IPL when Sunil Narine regularly preferred over Shakib by KKR. And last year, Rashid Khan outperformed Shakib both with bat and ball playing for SRH.

We can all get patriotic and bring all stats/rankings etc. to show Shakib as best allrounder. But he is simply not, sorry.

Panday is the best all rounder in the world and IPL is the most valuable tournament and ranking system in whole universe and the opinion of any Indian fan is the ultimate opinion. Case finished, baba sor do humko

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Panday is the best all rounder in the world and IPL is the most valuable tournament and ranking system in whole universe and the opinion of any Indian fan is the ultimate opinion. Case finished, baba sor do humko

Panday is a poor man's farhad reza

 

[Canford Cliffs]

LOL.Its solely your opinion which is logicless, baseless actually. Ranking and stats are there to settle these kind of disputes and any baseless claims. Who said that nobody outside BD don't recognize Shakib? Probably you don't see expert opinions and commentary of BD's match and you don't see Shakib in action. Did you see yesterday's match ,how impactful was Shakib?
I knew you will raise IPL,that's why I said it at the first place that there is no comparison between IPL( an Indian domestic league ) with international matches. Except Indians and those hugely paid experts who only speaks for money nobody rates IPL. Narine don't get place in WI team, who cares about KKR?

IPL is the biggest T20 cricket carnival which attracts top players all around the globe. Whether you like it or not, it dont change the fact. So the quality of cricket in IPL is much higher than your random WI-BD game lol. Just bcoz its international don't make it automatically better. BTW Rashid Khan outperformed Shakib big time in the t20 series that BD lost 3-0, if you really want to consider internationals only.

However, again we are missing the moot point. Shakib is a fine all rounder in his own right like Axar Patel or Krunal Pandya. But is he the best all rounder in the world? Of course not. Infact far from.it. He will not be in the world XI for any formats.

I would really worried if I see likes of Andre Russell, Sunil Narine, Rashid Khan, Ben Stokes etc. in the opponent team because I know they are impact players and can change the course of the game with their skills. Seeing Shakib as opponent team is like Meh, bcoz I know his ceiling is limited and will have zero to nil impact on the game.

Look I know he is the only good cricketer BD have produced and you guys should be proud of him. But pls don't just force others to accept he is the best all rounder in the world...which clearly he is not.

 

[Mainul]

IPL is the biggest T20 cricket carnival which attracts top players all around the globe. Whether you like it or not, it dont change the fact. So the quality of cricket in IPL is much higher than your random WI-BD game lol. Just bcoz its international don't make it automatically better. BTW Rashid Khan outperformed Shakib big time in the t20 series that BD lost 3-0, if you really want to consider internationals only.

However, again we are missing the moot point. Shakib is a fine all rounder in his own right like Axar Patel or Krunal Pandya. But is he the best all rounder in the world? Of course not. Infact far from.it. He will not be in the world XI for any formats.

I would really worried if I see likes of Andre Russell, Sunil Narine, Rashid Khan, Ben Stokes etc. in the opponent team because I know they are impact players and can change the course of the game with their skills. Seeing Shakib as opponent team is like Meh, bcoz I know his ceiling is limited and will have zero to nil impact on the game.

Look I know he is the only good cricketer BD have produced and you guys should be proud of him. But pls don't just force others to accept he is the best all rounder in the world...which clearly he is not.

You want to live in your own world, it's ok. Nobody including me will disturb you. Just keep waiting to see IPL,the best show of cricket in earth. Meanwhile I want to try to remember when I saw any IPL game last time, LOL.Indian obsession with IPL has reached another crazy level I see.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

You want to live in your own world, it's ok. Nobody including me will disturb you. Just keep waiting to see IPL,the best show of cricket in earth. Meanwhile I want to try to remember when I saw any IPL game last time, LOL.Indian obsession with IPL has reached another crazy level I see.

International T20s have little value and most teams don't even field their best XI. T20 cricket is more of a league sport and with IPL being the richest league, attract the top players around the world. So the quality of cricket in IPL is much higher than some random T20Is. Hence you will see likes of Shakib giving MoM performance against WI in international T20 but regularly gets outperformed in IPL by his contempories.

BTW the only people living under the rock here are BD fans who considers Shakib as best all rounder in the world.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

How can anyone even suggest that shakib is world's best ever t20 allrounder?
Shahid afridi is the GOAT t20 allrounder. Miles ahead of shakib.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

How can anyone even suggest that shakib is world's best ever t20 allrounder?
Shahid afridi is the GOAT t20 allrounder. Miles ahead of shakib.

Miles ahead of Shakib? In which universe?

Afridi Stats in T20Is

Batting avg- 17.92
Bowling avg- 24.44

Shakib's Stats in T20Is

Batting avg- 23.72 (More than 5 runs difference)
Bowling avg- 20.44 (Better than afridi by 4 runs in average)

The difference is quite substantial.
Let's not even go into other formats

Shakib is also ahead in both batting and bowling when you consider T20 statistics

 

[Mainul]

International T20s have little value and most teams don't even field their best XI. T20 cricket is more of a league sport and with IPL being the richest league, attract the top players around the world. So the quality of cricket in IPL is much higher than some random T20Is. Hence you will see likes of Shakib giving MoM performance against WI in international T20 but regularly gets outperformed in IPL by his contempories.

BTW the only people living under the rock here are BD fans who considers Shakib as best all rounder in the world.

International cricket is always tougher than any domestic league whatever the format. That's why IPL stars don't perform in same manner in international matches.And that's why even after playing in the most so called quality league India has own world T20 title just once( without any influence of IPL ) and even couldn't reach the final in last tournament. It just reflects that the quality of Indian players playing in IPL other than those foreighners is not such great. Pakistan is the no. 1 team in T20 for a long time and Pakistani players don't even get chance in IPL. So one can assume from above all scenarion about the quality of IPL tornament. Spreading billions of dollars and hiring beautiful cheat leaders can't make one league as the best. Big bash league is superior to IPL,and even PSL as it is producing those players who pays for the top ranked T20 team in the world. I don't rate T20 cricket at all, but when I take into account I always go for international T20 matches.

And this thread was opened about the test all all rounder Shakib. People are diverting it to T20. Considering his records across all formats ,Shakib is above all the players you mentioned. You or any random poster may not accept him as he is from your borderside country ,but that doesn't deny the fact that overall Shakib is the best. On what basis: stats,ranking not on mere emotional claim

 

[Executioner]

Miles ahead of Shakib? In which universe?

Afridi Stats in T20Is

Batting avg- 17.92
Bowling avg- 24.44

Shakib's Stats in T20Is

Batting avg- 23.72 (More than 5 runs difference)
Bowling avg- 20.44 (Better than afridi by 4 runs in average)

The difference is quite substantial.
Let's not even go into other formats

Shakib is also ahead in both batting and bowling when you consider T20 statistics

Apparentl Afridi has "impact"

 

[Canford Cliffs]

International cricket is always tougher than any domestic league whatever the format. That's why IPL stars don't perform in same manner in international matches.And that's why even after playing in the most so called quality league India has own world T20 title just once( without any influence of IPL ) and even couldn't reach the final in last tournament. It just reflects that the quality of Indian players playing in IPL other than those foreighners is not such great. Pakistan is the no. 1 team in T20 for a long time and Pakistani players don't even get chance in IPL. So one can assume from above all scenarion about the quality of IPL tornament. Spreading billions of dollars and hiring beautiful cheat leaders can't make one league as the best. Big bash league is superior to IPL,and even PSL as it is producing those players who pays for the top ranked T20 team in the world. I don't rate T20 cricket at all, but when I take into account I always go for international T20 matches.

And this thread was opened about the test all all rounder Shakib. People are diverting it to T20. Considering his records across all formats ,Shakib is above all the players you mentioned. You or any random poster may not accept him as he is from your borderside country ,but that doesn't deny the fact that overall Shakib is the best. On what basis: stats,ranking not on mere emotional claim

Its not you, your jealousy speaking brother. I think you are just going on a ranting spree just bcoz I said Shakib is not the best all rounder. Its a harsh fact which cannot change, irrespective of how much you bad mouth IPL.

How India team doing in world t20 is agnostic of IPL. Though its Indian premier league, the best players in the world participate in it. Infact, most players (young ones) participate aggressively in international T20s just before IPL auction to get selected. A classic case of being Heytmar in recent times.

I am not saying international cricket is not important. Infact, test cricket is still the best format and representing your nation in test cricket is the biggest pride for any player. JAMODIs are still important but they are mostly used by teams to get their combination right for ICC events. But T20 internationals bar world cup is a joke and mostly IPL rejects play there.

But the fact remains, irrespective of format Shakib is not the best all rounder in any. Try harder again to convince me.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Miles ahead of Shakib? In which universe?

Afridi Stats in T20Is

Batting avg- 17.92
Bowling avg- 24.44

Shakib's Stats in T20Is

Batting avg- 23.72 (More than 5 runs difference)
Bowling avg- 20.44 (Better than afridi by 4 runs in average)

The difference is quite substantial.
Let's not even go into other formats

Shakib is also ahead in both batting and bowling when you consider T20 statistics

Add strike rate, performance in T20 WCs and MotMs won along with a look at performance against minnows/non-minnows and take a look. Afridi's 49(19) in the last match he played against Bangladesh is a better batting performance than any in Shakib's career against Pakistan, let alone the MotS in T20 2007 WC and MotMs in Sf and final of 2009 WC.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Add strike rate, performance in T20 WCs and MotMs won along with a look at performance against minnows/non-minnows and take a look. Afridi's 49(19) in the last match he played against Bangladesh is a better batting performance than any in Shakib's career against Pakistan, let alone the MotS in T20 2007 WC and MotMs in Sf and final of 2009 WC.

I agree every time Afridi came on to bat, i knew it was game over and time for our girls in the stadium to cry. Alhamdullilah for his retirement all is well now

 

[Hitman]

International cricket is always tougher than any domestic league whatever the format. That's why IPL stars don't perform in same manner in international matches.And that's why even after playing in the most so called quality league India has own world T20 title just once( without any influence of IPL ) and even couldn't reach the final in last tournament. It just reflects that the quality of Indian players playing in IPL other than those foreighners is not such great. Pakistan is the no. 1 team in T20 for a long time and Pakistani players don't even get chance in IPL. So one can assume from above all scenarion about the quality of IPL tornament. Spreading billions of dollars and hiring beautiful cheat leaders can't make one league as the best. Big bash league is superior to IPL,and even PSL as it is producing those players who pays for the top ranked T20 team in the world. I don't rate T20 cricket at all, but when I take into account I always go for international T20 matches.

And this thread was opened about the test all all rounder Shakib. People are diverting it to T20. Considering his records across all formats ,Shakib is above all the players you mentioned. You or any random poster may not accept him as he is from your borderside country ,but that doesn't deny the fact that overall Shakib is the best. On what basis: stats,ranking not on mere emotional claim

Now I've heard it all. No point further arguing.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Miles ahead of Shakib? In which universe?

Afridi Stats in T20Is

Batting avg- 17.92
Bowling avg- 24.44

Shakib's Stats in T20Is

Batting avg- 23.72 (More than 5 runs difference)
Bowling avg- 20.44 (Better than afridi by 4 runs in average)

The difference is quite substantial.
Let's not even go into other formats

Shakib is also ahead in both batting and bowling when you consider T20 statistics

First of all shakib is miles ahead in test format so lets just stick to t20s.

Shahid afridi was the MOTS in t20 world cup 2007 and was also amongst the best performer in 2009 t20 world cup.
Shakib's str rate in t20s is 120 and afridi's str rate is 150 and str rate is as important as average in t20s.
Shakib has played many matches against minnows also.
Secondly in t20 format killer instinct is much morr important than consistency.
For instance if u look at yuvraj's t20 record the stats are nowhere as good as virat kohli or rohit but he is in arguably the greatest t20 batsman of india. Impact performances matter more in t20s as compared to consistency.
Shahid afridi holds the record for MOTM in t20is another fact supporting his GOAT status.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

Add strike rate, performance in T20 WCs and MotMs won along with a look at performance against minnows/non-minnows and take a look. Afridi's 49(19) in the last match he played against Bangladesh is a better batting performance than any in Shakib's career against Pakistan, let alone the MotS in T20 2007 WC and MotMs in Sf and final of 2009 WC.

If your criteria for judging if X player is better than Y is based on one tournament and MotM(which also depends on the rest of the team and result of match) and one or two t20 matches then there is nothing more to say . Shakib has more consistency than Afridi which is why he has 25% higher averages in both batting an bowling. Not just marginally better but around TWENTY-FIVE percent higher average in both batting and bowling which is SUBSTANTIAL enough and you cannot ignore.

We cannot claim Evin Lewis is a better batsman than Kohli just because Lewis has a higher strike rate, the difference in averages is big for the strike rate to matter. And not to mention BOTH bowling and batting average is better for Shakib.

 

[BDfanforever]

International T20s have little value and most teams don't even field their best XI. T20 cricket is more of a league sport and with IPL being the richest league, attract the top players around the world. So the quality of cricket in IPL is much higher than some random T20Is. Hence you will see likes of Shakib giving MoM performance against WI in international T20 but regularly gets outperformed in IPL by his contempories.

BTW the only people living under the rock here are BD fans who considers Shakib as best all rounder in the world.

I cannot for sure say quality of leagues games is higher than international. For me, even in soccer international tournaments have much higher value this is why while Messi may destroy some weak teams in La Liga he will struggle even against likes of Nigeria or Japan.

IPL, while being the richest league doesn’t necessarily mean it is the best. I mean likes of Unadkat, Sandeep Sharma, Axar Patel are the front leading boys of IPL. It has wide range of players from the very best all the down to your Sandeep Sharma, Varun Aarons etc.

 

[Mainul]

Its not you, your jealousy speaking brother. I think you are just going on a ranting spree just bcoz I said Shakib is not the best all rounder. Its a harsh fact which cannot change, irrespective of how much you bad mouth IPL.

How India team doing in world t20 is agnostic of IPL. Though its Indian premier league, the best players in the world participate in it. Infact, most players (young ones) participate aggressively in international T20s just before IPL auction to get selected. A classic case of being Heytmar in recent times.

I am not saying international cricket is not important. Infact, test cricket is still the best format and representing your nation in test cricket is the biggest pride for any player. JAMODIs are still important but they are mostly used by teams to get their combination right for ICC events. But T20 internationals bar world cup is a joke and mostly IPL rejects play there.

But the fact remains, irrespective of format Shakib is not the best all rounder in any. Try harder again to convince me.

Frankly speaking, I don't watch IPL as I always consider it as a wastage of time to watch this tamasha league. No point whatsoever to get jealous of IPL which is not worthy even of getting jealous of. Even i dont watch BPL. Whatever you say about IPL,best players best tournament whatsoever blah blah at the end if the day it is an Indian domestic league which hasn't added any value even to Indian national team let alone to world cricket. When I shall see that India has won couple more successive world T20, attain no. 1 spot in ranking, I shall consider to put weight beside IPL. IPL is just about money, nothing else. I stand by my previous posts , nothing to say more about it.

Regarding Shakib, well if he was an Indian I am sure I wouldn't be the one to defend about him being the no 1 all rounder. With the stat Shakib has in all formats every Indians would have jumped up and down like a chimpanjee to establish him as no 1.But the problem is he is not an Indian. I am returning the word "jealous" to your court

I don't need to convince anyone. ICC ranking ,stat ,performances are all there. Even then if anyone don't want to admit it's his problem. Nothing to say from my side.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

Here is the cherry on top for some of you who jump at minnows/non-minnows at every opportunity

When considering Australia, England, New Zealand, India, West Indies, Pakistan, South Africa, Sri Lanka

Afridi T20I stats:

Batting avg- 18.14
Bowling avg- 26.18

Shakibs T20I stats:

Batting avg- 23.20
Bowling avg- 23.14

Still "Miles better"?
End of Story

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Frankly speaking, I don't watch IPL as I always consider it as a wastage of time to watch this tamasha league. No point whatsoever to get jealous of IPL which is not worthy even of getting jealous of. Even i dont watch BPL. Whatever you say about IPL,best players best tournament whatsoever blah blah at the end if the day it is an Indian domestic league which hasn't added any value even to Indian national team let alone to world cricket. When I shall see that India has won couple more successive world T20, attain no. 1 spot in ranking, I shall consider to put weight beside IPL. IPL is just about money, nothing else. I stand by my previous posts , nothing to say more about it.

Regarding Shakib, well if he was an Indian I am sure I wouldn't be the one to defend about him being the no 1 all rounder. With the stat Shakib has in all formats every Indians would have jumped up and down like a chimpanjee to establish him as no 1.But the problem is he is not an Indian. I am returning the word "jealous" to your court

I don't need to convince anyone. ICC ranking ,stat ,performances are all there. Even then if anyone don't want to admit it's his problem. Nothing to say from my side.

Sorry to say this but if Shakib was an Indian he wont be playing so many games simply because he is not good enough. So there is no question of this fake no.1 ranking.

Ash-Jadeja in Asian conditions is very lethal and equivalent to what Anderson-Broad is in English conditions. So Jadeja wont play more than 10 tests for India.
In ODIs, he wont be even back up player. Kuldeep- Chahal is doing wondeful job as spinner and Pandya is the main all rounders. In T20 he might get few games at home when main Indian players rest.

 

[happydavy]

best T20I allrounder

His performance is superior to all those others

Not sure what performance you talking about, the guy is a decent all rounder but won't find a place in squad of any of top 6 teams. Not even for carrying drinks. He's like Jadeja, performs in their own grounds, can't score anything outside.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Here is the cherry on top for some of you who jump at minnows/non-minnows at every opportunity

When considering Australia, England, New Zealand, India, West Indies, Pakistan, South Africa, Sri Lanka

Afridi T20I stats:

Batting avg- 18.14
Bowling avg- 26.18

Shakibs T20I stats:

Batting avg- 23.20
Bowling avg- 23.14

Still "Miles better"?
End of Story

Its not about stats in T20s...I think that is the point we are trying to debate here. T20 is an impact game and avg don't matter much in 20 over game. As a neutral, I would anyday rate Afridi as a better T20 player compared to Shakib just bcoz of the impact. Afridi helped his team to win a world t20 with his impactful performance. I am yet to see Shakib doing something special in major tournaments. So peddling up stats mean nothing. As an opponent an Afridi walking out to bat would anyday make me more anxious than Shakib.

 

[BDfanforever]

Sorry to say this but if Shakib was an Indian he wont be playing so many games simply because he is not good enough. So there is no question of this fake no.1 ranking.

Ash-Jadeja in Asian conditions is very lethal and equivalent to what Anderson-Broad is in English conditions. So Jadeja wont play more than 10 tests for India.
In ODIs, he wont be even back up player. Kuldeep- Chahal is doing wondeful job as spinner and Pandya is the main all rounders. In T20 he might get few games at home when main Indian players rest.

Ok he may not play so many matches for India, what do you reckon about England? He has to compete with Mooen and Adil. Pretty sure with inclusion of Shakib Eng would be pretty much unstoppable.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Ok he may not play so many matches for India, what do you reckon about England? He has to compete with Mooen and Adil. Pretty sure with inclusion of Shakib Eng would be pretty much unstoppable.

Yes England would be 'Unstoppable' with the addition of Shakib. If that makes you feel better

 

[Executioner]

Not sure what performance you talking about, the guy is a decent all rounder but won't find a place in squad of any of top 6 teams. Not even for carrying drinks. He's like Jadeja, performs in their own grounds, can't score anything outside.

Shakib has a match winning century in CT match. A double hundred in NZ

And be averages 40 in tests with bat.

Yeah he can't play outside

 

[Executioner]

Its not about stats in T20s...I think that is the point we are trying to debate here. T20 is an impact game and avg don't matter much in 20 over game. As a neutral, I would anyday rate Afridi as a better T20 player compared to Shakib just bcoz of the impact. Afridi helped his team to win a world t20 with his impactful performance. I am yet to see Shakib doing something special in major tournaments. So peddling up stats mean nothing. As an opponent an Afridi walking out to bat would anyday make me more anxious than Shakib.

Afridi had a champion side with Gul Amir Ajmal and some good batsman

If Shakib played for a top side he would have win matches.

Also he has played domestic tournaments and won his side the championship. Did it twice in 5 seasons for KKR. Did it in cpl and also in BPL

 

[The Viper]

Shakib wipes the floor with Afridi in tests and ODIs but in T20I Afridi is better. Don’t get me wrong Shakib is statistically better but Afridi has performed in two T20 world cups. Don’t get me wrong you cannot blame Shakib as Bangladesh is not that great of a T20 team. Strike rate is important in this format as well.

 

[KP From India]

Ash-Jadeja pair in asia is better than Broad-Anderson in Eng.

 

[BDfanforever]

Shakib is a very good player. But playing for a weaker team has its merits. He bats at 4-5 for BD, with an average in mid 30s, will get to bat at mostly 7 or below for other teams limiting his opportunities to score.

Look at ICC all rounder rankings. In Tests, Shakib is at 415, Jadeja is at 384, Philander is at 370 and Holder is at 365. All three have those many points despite playing mostly as bowlers.A couple of decent shows with bat and they'll move ahead of Shakib.

In ODIs, Rashid Khan is ahead of Shakib with Nabi close on his heels.

In T20s, Maxwell and Nabi are ahead of Shakib.

See how it works?

Also, just as a corollary, Andy Flower averages 50+ as a keeper batsman, does not make him a better keeper batsman than Gilchrist.

He bats 4-5 because Shakib is a batting all-rounder while the others you mentioned are bowling all rounders. There aren't really that many true batting all rounders even in cricket history accept for likes of Kallis, Sobers, etc.

In Tests, from your team only Kholi/Pujara/Rahane is ranked higher than him in batting. In Bowling, only Ash/Jadega is higher ranked than Shakib. This in it's self should tell you whether he will be carrying drinks for other teams as someone else suggested.

 

[Adijazz1706]

If your criteria for judging if X player is better than Y is based on one tournament and MotM(which also depends on the rest of the team and result of match) and one or two t20 matches then there is nothing more to say . Shakib has more consistency than Afridi which is why he has 25% higher averages in both batting an bowling. Not just marginally better but around TWENTY-FIVE percent higher average in both batting and bowling which is SUBSTANTIAL enough and you cannot ignore.

We cannot claim Evin Lewis is a better batsman than Kohli just because Lewis has a higher strike rate, the difference in averages is big for the strike rate to matter. And not to mention BOTH bowling and batting average is better for Shakib.

Shakib has a batting SR of 123 which actually hurts his team as he eats up balls to score 24(20) while Afridi scores 18(12), which is better in T20s? Not to mention Shakib has played more against minnows than Afridi has

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Shakib is better than afridi in all formats except t20s. According to me t20 is shakib's weakest format

 

[Executioner]

Shakib has a batting SR of 123 which actually hurts his team as he eats up balls to score 24(20) while Afridi scores 18(12), which is better in T20s? Not to mention Shakib has played more against minnows than Afridi has

Shakib bats at the top order while Afridi does it at 7.

Shakib is better than afridi in all formats except t20s. According to me t20 is shakib's weakest format

As a T20 batsman yes. Pretty good bowler which is why imho he is marginally ahead of Afridi. Afridi had more support

 

[Stalin]

International cricket is always tougher than any domestic league whatever the format. That's why IPL stars don't perform in same manner in international matches.And that's why even after playing in the most so called quality league India has own world T20 title just once( without any influence of IPL ) and even couldn't reach the final in last tournament. It just reflects that the quality of Indian players playing in IPL other than those foreighners is not such great. Pakistan is the no. 1 team in T20 for a long time and Pakistani players don't even get chance in IPL. So one can assume from above all scenarion about the quality of IPL tornament. Spreading billions of dollars and hiring beautiful cheat leaders can't make one league as the best. Big bash league is superior to IPL,and even PSL as it is producing those players who pays for the top ranked T20 team in the world. I don't rate T20 cricket at all, but when I take into account I always go for international T20 matches.

And this thread was opened about the test all all rounder Shakib. People are diverting it to T20. Considering his records across all formats ,Shakib is above all the players you mentioned. You or any random poster may not accept him as he is from your borderside country ,but that doesn't deny the fact that overall Shakib is the best. On what basis: stats,ranking not on mere emotional claim

So according to this guy , the French Ligue 1 is better than the English Premier League because the England team did not win an international title. I'm sorry brother, but the world doesn't think the way you do. Still people around the world call Ligue 1 as a farmer's league (in simple words, BPL of football).
Hope you put your jealousy aside and think rationally.

 

[Mainul]

So according to this guy , the French Ligue 1 is better than the English Premier League because the England team did not win an international title. I'm sorry brother, but the world doesn't think the way you do. Still people around the world call Ligue 1 as a farmer's league (in simple words, BPL of football).
Hope you put your jealousy aside and think rationally.

So you also think that IPL is more valuable and qualityful cricket than international matches???!!! Another man found obsessed with cheerleader cricket league . Please come out of IPL fantasy and try to be focussed on my main statement part of my comment, not cut piece

 

[Stalin]

So you also think that IPL is more valuable and qualityful cricket than international matches???!!! Another man found obsessed with cheerleader cricket league . Please come out of IPL fantasy and try to be focussed on my main statement part of my comment, not cut piece

Where did I say anything about IPL being
more valuable than international cricket?
I just replied to your statement of how "Big bash and PSL are superior to IPL", just because India are not winning a t20 World Cup or not being no.1 in t20 rankings.