Shakib Al Hasan becomes fastest to 200-wicket, 3,000-run double

[BreadPakoda]

Ok

Add to the fact, he has not played in Australia.


How is he an ATG again ? l

He skipped the last SA series IIRC.

 

[BreadPakoda]

All said and done, Shakib is Bangladesh's Ryan ten Doeschate. Not as good as Ryan but still deserves the respect for trying hard in world's worst cricket team.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The only Bangla player I thought would become world class was Ashraful, he had all the talent in the world but his career unfortunately went somewhere else.. After that, none of the Bangla players have impressed....

 

[the_outsider]

I suppose we already talked about this in some other thread. Shakib is a genuine allrounder. He does not need to be the top ten list of batters. That's not his job. If he was a batting allrounder he would have been easily in the top 10 list of batters , similarly if he was a bowling allrounder he would have been in the top ten list of bowlers.

But he is a genuine allrounder and his job is to contribute equally with both bat and bowl. For example, Kapil was doing really well with the ball at one point of time in his career and was easily in the top 5 list of bowlers. But does that change the fact that as an allrounder he is nowhere near of an allrounder of Shakibs's caliber?

Of course not. Why? Because shakib is a genuine allrounder who's equally good in every aspects of the game while Kapil was a good bowler who could slog a bit. That's why Kapil appears in the top 5/10 list of bowlers but if we include his tailenderish batting we will see that he des not even deserved to be mentioned beside Shakib.

Similar case with hadlee. He was a great bowler. Certainly one of the greatest of all time. But when we will consider his batting, as an allrounder he will become inferior to Shakib.

Posts like this is exactly why you get so much slag from everyone here.

When you talk about your own team you just totally abandon rational thinking.

 

[the_outsider]

So after getting caught red handed that Shakib never played test match in Aust, trying to change the topic. Also what do you mean by Kapil got smashed like a no-body. I thought test cricket is not about strike rates? But even if we go by your point, Kapil's economy rate is 2.74 compared to Shakib's 3.4

Its not Indian media, most pundits and experts acknowledge Dev as one of the best all rounders game has ever seen. No expert ever rated/included Shakib in their all time playing XI bcoz they his worth. But its quite understandable for a gullible BD fan to hype him around bcoz he is the only good cricketer they hv produced in their history. But in reality he is pure mediocre.




He was not injured but asked sabbatical from board in order to refresh his body.
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...cket-to-miss-south-africa-series-1515527.html

So basically he chickened out. He played all the garbage test series against Zimbos at home but decided to take a sabbatical in the only tough away tour BD was playing after long time. Basically he chickened out. Hence I said, a true jatta like Dev will never chicken out :dev



Yes 2 test matches in SA is all that took to define Shakib has great bowling record in SA? Do you even think before writing? In that case, Ravi Jadeja (who is a better all rounder than Shakib anyway IMHO) who played 1 test, has a legendary record in SA where he avgs 21 with the ball?



If he didnt chicken out in the last SA series and played the series by having accepted the challenge, he would have got same phainta and his record would hv been same as in ODIs. Atleast the likes of Kumble never chickened out and played 14 tests in SA and avgs 32.



So as soon I quoted Shakib's minnow level ODI performances in SENA, you went back to overall performance so that likes of Zimbabwe etc can be included to make Shakib's stats look better

Chori pakri gayi...Isse pehle to bahut SENA SENA kar rahe the

So lets look Kapil's ODI performance in SENA compared to Shakib, shall we?

England:
Kapil bat avg - 48 with sr of 108, bowl avg 32

Shakib bat avg - 13 with sr of 59 , bowl avg 67 )

New Zealand:
Kapil bat avg 25 with sr of 88, bowl avg of 34

Shakib bat avg 23 with sr of 74, bowl avg 28

Australia:
Kapil bat avg of 24 with sr of 92, bowl avg 21

Shakib bat avg 24 with sr of 74, bowl avg 44

South Africa:
Kapil has less sample size bcoz cricket was banned that time in SA for apartheid. As a result he only played 7 ODIs there and avg 16 with bat at a strike rate of 75 and avgs 35 with ball.

Shakib has bat avg of 33 with sr of 66, bowl avg of 69.

During Kapil's era, the best team was WI and he avgs 25 with bat at a strike rate of 104 and bowling avg of 29. Shakib avgs 44 with the ball in WI even after playing against this inferior WI team.

Shakib's stats are heavily inflated by minnow bashing (not saying he don't play for one himself). You don't trust me? Let me explain.

That batting of 34 which you were so proudly highlighing, he avgs 116 vs Scotland in 3 games. Removes scotland, his batting avgs comes below 30
[MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] - FYI, wow check how Shakibs stats are flawed.



Obviously, this last para is a pure rant so not sure what to response here. But no expert ever rated Shakib as some great all rounder. He is on par with Jadeja as a test all rounder. Just because he playes for a weaker team like BD, he gets more oppurtunities. Had Jaddu was playing for BD, he would be one of your greats as well. But in real world, both Shakib and Jadeja are similar cricketers who are potenially below Stokes as current all rounder.

Savage! What a phainta you have served to our friend.

 

[Romali_rotti]

He skipped the last SA series IIRC.

I don't blame him, probably quaking in his legs at the prospect of batting on those bouncy wickets in SA.. So it's natural to chicken out and not tour lol.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Shakib is already one of the greats of the game. No doubt.

Didn't see this above post, till now. Yeah No doubt, in your own little home in Bangladesh he would be considered one of the greats of the game, Outside of Bangladesh no one would pick him... Cant hold a bat in SA & ENG, haven't toured AUS. Also chickened out of the SA tour, yes a well deserved praise worthy ATG currently in the game ...

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

It doesn't matter what some fans think of shakib, by the end of his career he will have most of the all rounder records in the game provided he doesn't get any serious injury, this will put him in the league of great all rounders to have played when people look back at his career. Maybe not in the league of an ATG like Imran Khan or Gary Sobers or Jacques Kallis but still a great all rounder.

 

[TM Riddle]

He's a Bangladeshi great without a doubt. But a great of the game? Lol no .

 

[Romali_rotti]

It doesn't matter what some fans think of shakib, by the end of his career he will have most of the all rounder records in the game provided he doesn't get any serious injury,

I dont doubt the above, if he keeps getting chances to play vs ZIM, WI on a regular basis and not play in SA, ENG, AUS etc...

 

[barah_admi]

Terrific cricketer across formats so hats off to him. He has been Bangladesh's great hope in their continued failure to improve beyond small increments.

In the last 7 or so years of his career, in which he has been at his best, he would be able to find a place in almost any side. That is how good he has been.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

It doesn't matter what some fans think of shakib, by the end of his career he will have most of the all rounder records in the game provided he doesn't get any serious injury, this will put him in the league of great all rounders to have played when people look back at his career. Maybe not in the league of an ATG like Imran Khan or Gary Sobers or Jacques Kallis but still a great all rounder.

You should also filter out his stats against minnows, Kallis is a top tier ATG for batting alone. Shakib will be lucky to find a spot in any ATG XI. Even Botham struggles to find one.

 

[shaz619]

The worst A/R in history to achieve this record

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

No BD player can ever be GREAT,let alone ATG.

 

[aukhan]

Great achievement. He is Bangladesh's first superstar.

 

[Mainul]

All said and done, Shakib is Bangladesh's Ryan ten Doeschate. Not as good as Ryan but still deserves the respect for trying hard in world's worst cricket team.

Worst cricket team!!! Do you watch cricket? I don't think so. This is a high class cricket forum. Please take your personal hatred based garbage comments out of it to maintain it's class.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

All said and done, Shakib is Bangladesh's Ryan ten Doeschate. Not as good as Ryan but still deserves the respect for trying hard in world's worst cricket team.

Well Shakib is to Bangladesh what Sachin Tendulkar was to Indian cricket team in 90's.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Worst cricket team!!! Do you watch cricket? I don't think so. This is a high class cricket forum. Please take your personal hatred based garbage comments out of it to maintain it's class.

Well according to him Ryan is better than Shakib but he hasn't posted any stats to prove that yet.

 

[Mainul]

Well according to him Ryan is better than Shakib but he hasn't posted any stats to prove that yet.

He knows it very well that in any world,in any stat he cant prove that Ryan is better than Shakib. Infact he doesn't need to prove it. These type of comments have only one content "personal disliking". One has to keep it away when one compares about cricketing parameters. Otherwise he will prove himself a fool, nothing else. I personally don't like David Warner due his arrogance, but if I comment on his batting abilities I will say that he is one of the best openers in modern era based on all conditions all formats

 

[BreadPakoda]

He knows it very well that in any world,in any stat he cant prove that Ryan is better than Shakib. Infact he doesn't need to prove it. These type of comments have only one content "personal disliking". One has to keep it away when one compares about cricketing parameters. Otherwise he will prove himself a fool, nothing else. I personally don't like David Warner due his arrogance, but if I comment on his batting abilities I will say that he is one of the best openers in modern era based on all conditions all formats

You want stats? RTD averages 67 with the bat and 24 with the ball. Case closed.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You want stats? RTD averages 67 with the bat and 24 with the ball. Case closed.

Ryan is better than even Kapil Dev.

 

[the_outsider]

Ryan is better than even Kapil Dev.

Well duh! The guy looks like a freaking movie star!

 

[the_outsider]

I personally don't like David Warner due his arrogance, but if I comment on his batting abilities I will say that he is one of the best openers in modern era based on all conditions all formats

Off-topic but a really odd statement to make given Warner's well documented weakness against spin and Asian pitches.

David Warner is very much a white man's Shikhar Dhawan.

 

[Mainul]

You want stats? RTD averages 67 with the bat and 24 with the ball. Case closed.

Oh ...so according to you he is better than Imran Khan, Abdul Raazaq ,Kapil Dev ,Ian Botham ,isn't it? Carse closed. Don't want to waste time and finger energy.

 

[Mainul]

Off-topic but a really odd statement to make given Warner's well documented weakness against spin and Asian pitches.

David Warner is very much a white man's Shikhar Dhawan.

He has 3 hundreds ,5 fifties in subcontinent in 15 tests scoring 1041 runs averaging nearly 35. That's a very good record for a nonasian openers. I don't think any present Asian opener has such overall test record in SENA countries. He has similar average in ODIs also in Asia in 17 matches with two hundreds with a SR over 80.

 

[the_outsider]

He has 3 hundreds ,5 fifties in subcontinent in 15 tests scoring 1041 runs averaging nearly 35. That's a very good record for a nonasian openers. I don't think any present Asian opener has such overall test record in SENA countries. He has similar average in ODIs also in Asia in 17 matches with two hundreds with a SR over 80.

Sorry to say but his stats in Asia incredibly inflated by his 2 hundreds and avg of 65 in BD. And that is not indicative of batting ability in Asia.

In India he averages 24 and in SL it is 27. Not a single hundred in either of those countries.

I know that because he played well against your team you will naturally have a perception that Warner is good in Asia. And that's understandable from a psychological point of view.

But the fact is that Warner is poor in Asia. And as I said before, he is as poor in Asia as Dhawan is outside Asia.

 

[the_outsider]

He has 3 hundreds ,5 fifties in subcontinent in 15 tests scoring 1041 runs averaging nearly 35. That's a very good record for a nonasian openers. I don't think any present Asian opener has such overall test record in SENA countries. He has similar average in ODIs also in Asia in 17 matches with two hundreds with a SR over 80.

Also I would like to point out to you and others that please stop creating a Asia vs SENA dichotomy.

The opposite of Asian teams is not SENA teams. There isn't a single team among the SENAs who is half as weak a test side as Bangladesh.

 

[Executioner]

The worst A/R in history to achieve this record

Yet he is the fast to achieve so, how does that make him the worst?

 

[Executioner]

Didn't see this above post, till now. Yeah No doubt, in your own little home in Bangladesh he would be considered one of the greats of the game, Outside of Bangladesh no one would pick him... Cant hold a bat in SA & ENG, haven't toured AUS. Also chickened out of the SA tour, yes a well deserved praise worthy ATG currently in the game ...

he played 4 games in England and SA 10 years back when he was a teen.

And yes he missed the 2 tests which was controversial but he didn't do it because SA are a top team

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Worst cricket team!!! Do you watch cricket? I don't think so. This is a high class cricket forum. Please take your personal hatred based garbage comments out of it to maintain it's class.

Your anger is very selective and partial...let me explain how. This thread was going all good...until Rainman started trolling by comparing Shakib with Kapil. He thought he will cheekily bring some stats, write some essays and people will accept Shakib is actually better than Kapil Dev. LMAO But I didn't see you got this much agitated then...just because he is your countrymen.
This Ryan ten Doeschate comparison is exactly the same thing Rainman was doing by comparing Kapil and Shakib. He was just calculating random avg without taking no. of matches or any other factor into consideration. Its a different story that after I destroyed him with factual analysis, he never came back.

Ryan avgs 67 with bat and 24 with ball which is way better than Shakib, Kapil, Botham etc. So he is top 5 all rounders in the world right? Its the same logic your countrymen was using...but you chose to stay mum then. And suddenly reacting now because something is said against your country player.

 

[Romali_rotti]

he played 4 games in England and SA 10 years back when he was a teen.

And yes he missed the 2 tests which was controversial but he didn't do it because SA are a top team

Seriously, are you this deluded to think he is a great of the game currently ? The guy has NOTHING to speak for, terrible in ENG and SA, haven't toured AUS. Well your excuse: 'but he was a teen when he last toured ENG & SA' well he has not played them again over there, he skipped one series in SA, so how in the world do you consider him a great of the game ? My god some of you lot are pure comedy, there is a reason why not many takes Bangla cricket seriously, your behavior is beyond childish... First act with a bit of self respect to yourselves, so others will give you that in return..

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

Ryan avgs 67 with bat and 24 with ball which is way better than Shakib, Kapil, Botham etc. So he is top 5 all rounders in the world right? Its the same logic your countrymen was using...but you chose to stay mum then. And suddenly reacting now because something is said against your country player.

Ryan has never ever played Test Cricket, in first class level many players are legends. I am pretty sure many Indian Domestic players have as good an average as Kohli but never achieved half as much as him, quoting all these numbers is meaningless, we can understand it must burn you to see any Bangladeshi player or team do well and you cannot wait to put them down.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

So after getting caught red handed that Shakib never played test match in Aust, trying to change the topic. Also what do you mean by Kapil got smashed like a no-body. I thought test cricket is not about strike rates? But even if we go by your point, Kapil's economy rate is 2.74 compared to Shakib's 3.4

Its not Indian media, most pundits and experts acknowledge Dev as one of the best all rounders game has ever seen. No expert ever rated/included Shakib in their all time playing XI bcoz they his worth. But its quite understandable for a gullible BD fan to hype him around bcoz he is the only good cricketer they hv produced in their history. But in reality he is pure mediocre.




He was not injured but asked sabbatical from board in order to refresh his body.
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...cket-to-miss-south-africa-series-1515527.html

So basically he chickened out. He played all the garbage test series against Zimbos at home but decided to take a sabbatical in the only tough away tour BD was playing after long time. Basically he chickened out. Hence I said, a true jatta like Dev will never chicken out :dev



Yes 2 test matches in SA is all that took to define Shakib has great bowling record in SA? Do you even think before writing? In that case, Ravi Jadeja (who is a better all rounder than Shakib anyway IMHO) who played 1 test, has a legendary record in SA where he avgs 21 with the ball?



If he didnt chicken out in the last SA series and played the series by having accepted the challenge, he would have got same phainta and his record would hv been same as in ODIs. Atleast the likes of Kumble never chickened out and played 14 tests in SA and avgs 32.



So as soon I quoted Shakib's minnow level ODI performances in SENA, you went back to overall performance so that likes of Zimbabwe etc can be included to make Shakib's stats look better

Chori pakri gayi...Isse pehle to bahut SENA SENA kar rahe the

So lets look Kapil's ODI performance in SENA compared to Shakib, shall we?

England:
Kapil bat avg - 48 with sr of 108, bowl avg 32

Shakib bat avg - 13 with sr of 59 , bowl avg 67 )

New Zealand:
Kapil bat avg 25 with sr of 88, bowl avg of 34

Shakib bat avg 23 with sr of 74, bowl avg 28

Australia:
Kapil bat avg of 24 with sr of 92, bowl avg 21

Shakib bat avg 24 with sr of 74, bowl avg 44

South Africa:
Kapil has less sample size bcoz cricket was banned that time in SA for apartheid. As a result he only played 7 ODIs there and avg 16 with bat at a strike rate of 75 and avgs 35 with ball.

Shakib has bat avg of 33 with sr of 66, bowl avg of 69.

During Kapil's era, the best team was WI and he avgs 25 with bat at a strike rate of 104 and bowling avg of 29. Shakib avgs 44 with the ball in WI even after playing against this inferior WI team.

Shakib's stats are heavily inflated by minnow bashing (not saying he don't play for one himself). You don't trust me? Let me explain.

That batting of 34 which you were so proudly highlighing, he avgs 116 vs Scotland in 3 games. Removes scotland, his batting avgs comes below 30
[MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] - FYI, wow check how Shakibs stats are flawed.



Obviously, this last para is a pure rant so not sure what to response here. But no expert ever rated Shakib as some great all rounder. He is on par with Jadeja as a test all rounder. Just because he playes for a weaker team like BD, he gets more oppurtunities. Had Jaddu was playing for BD, he would be one of your greats as well. But in real world, both Shakib and Jadeja are similar cricketers who are potenially below Stokes as current all rounder.

Man,,,, seriously this rainman guy was trying to manipulate stats.
Kapil is a far better odi cricketer.
Good u have exposed him.
Another thing is that he excludes kapil's bowling avg in neutral venue coz of which his avg comes down.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Man,,,, seriously this rainman guy was trying to manipulate stats.
Kapil is a far better odi cricketer.
Good u have exposed him.
Another thing is that he excludes kapil's bowling avg in neutral venue coz of which his avg comes down.

Man seriously, you are going mention the great man's name in the same sentence as Sakib ? I understand Rainman doing it, we can pardon him for being delusional. Sakib can't even hold Dev's shoe laces, let alone be mentioned in a sentence as him.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

As posted by [MENTION=54257]rainman[/MENTION] anyone with soft runs and wkts in sena conditions can't be an atg. So shakib is just a country great nothing else.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Yeah kapil is miles bettee.
Soft runs and wickets don't count.
Kapil won a world cup shakib cant even dream of that.

 

[Mainul]

Off-topic but a really odd statement to make given Warner's well documented weakness against spin and Asian pitches.

David Warner is very much a white man's Shikhar Dhawan.

Sorry for late response,couldn't get time. For your kind attention you have mentioned the dichotomy first, as a response I put up the stat. Opposite of Asian pitches are SENA countries. Asian pitches also include BD pitches. That's why I have included the stat here also. I shall include Afgan pitch (when they play test there) and off course UAE in list of Asian pitch,not eliminate them purposefully to establish my logic.

Sorry to say but his stats in Asia incredibly inflated by his 2 hundreds and avg of 65 in BD. And that is not indicative of batting ability in Asia.

In India he averages 24 and in SL it is 27. Not a single hundred in either of those countries.

I know that because he played well against your team you will naturally have a perception that Warner is good in Asia. And that's understandable from a psychological point of view.

But the fact is that Warner is poor in Asia. And as I said before, he is as poor in Asia as Dhawan is outside Asia.

You have omitted his record in UAE where he averages 59+ with one century. He performed well in turning pitches in BD and and UAE where his teammates except Smith struggled big time.

Also I would like to point out to you and others that please stop creating a Asia vs SENA dichotomy.

The opposite of Asian teams is not SENA teams. There isn't a single team among the SENAs who is half as weak a test side as Bangladesh.

I don't claim BD as a strong test side. We are still minnow in tests. But it's also true that we have begun to win against stronger opposition at home recently. We beat Aussies ,English,WI. In that Aussie series Aussie batsmen except Smith and Warner struggled against our spinners. So doing well in that series is not of any less credit.

 

[Mainul]

Your anger is very selective and partial...let me explain how. This thread was going all good...until Rainman started trolling by comparing Shakib with Kapil. He thought he will cheekily bring some stats, write some essays and people will accept Shakib is actually better than Kapil Dev. LMAO But I didn't see you got this much agitated then...just because he is your countrymen.
This Ryan ten Doeschate comparison is exactly the same thing Rainman was doing by comparing Kapil and Shakib. He was just calculating random avg without taking no. of matches or any other factor into consideration. Its a different story that after I destroyed him with factual analysis, he never came back.

Ryan avgs 67 with bat and 24 with ball which is way better than Shakib, Kapil, Botham etc. So he is top 5 all rounders in the world right? Its the same logic your countrymen was using...but you chose to stay mum then. And suddenly reacting now because something is said against your country player.

Thanks for your observation, but I am sorry to say you didn't got it right. I am not so bias towards anybody here whether it is my countryman or others. Do you want proof? Here it is . Just go back to that epic blockbluster thread of Rainman "is Bangladesh becoming a powerhouse in cricket?" Go to post no 254 of mine....I wrote " This thread has reached to an epic level
Everybody has become so serious here by the claim of so called "power house". This thread is intended to humiliate Bangladesh and it's supporters. Posters posting comments here taking full advantage of it. Rainman, the OP here, is fully responsible for it,whom I suspect is not a Bangladeshi. I request him not to post any comment or thread on Bangladesh. It just come back again and again to haunt us here in PP. It's my Earnest request to him"

And in the previous comment (post no 119 of same thread) I wrote " Rainman's post has been always full of exaggeration and overpraise and I think intended to troll BD. I am not sure but I think he is not a Bangladeshi. I request everyone not to take this thread seriously. We Bangladeshis here don't think in that way".

I am just tired of his overhyping which is actually making my country a subject of mockery.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Thanks for your observation, but I am sorry to say you didn't got it right. I am not so bias towards anybody here whether it is my countryman or others. Do you want proof? Here it is . Just go back to that epic blockbluster thread of Rainman "is Bangladesh becoming a powerhouse in cricket?" Go to post no 254 of mine....I wrote " This thread has reached to an epic level
Everybody has become so serious here by the claim of so called "power house". This thread is intended to humiliate Bangladesh and it's supporters. Posters posting comments here taking full advantage of it. Rainman, the OP here, is fully responsible for it,whom I suspect is not a Bangladeshi. I request him not to post any comment or thread on Bangladesh. It just come back again and again to haunt us here in PP. It's my Earnest request to him"

And in the previous comment (post no 119 of same thread) I wrote " Rainman's post has been always full of exaggeration and overpraise and I think intended to troll BD. I am not sure but I think he is not a Bangladeshi. I request everyone not to take this thread seriously. We Bangladeshis here don't think in that way".

I am just tired of his overhyping which is actually making my country a subject of mockery.

You need to observe the language you used between two. What you wrote in Powerhouse thread is a face saving exercise for BD cricket team rather than critcising the poster. There is a difference in saying " I request everyone not to take this thread seriously" and calling someone 'Crybaby etc.'. In this thread when Kapil was being called as a tailender etc., I didnt see any response from you. Suddenly when Shakib was targetted, you got agitated. Trust me, your bias is clearly visible but dont worry we all hv biases for our country. But dont claim you are some neutral, preach others how to post etc.

 

[the_outsider]

Sorry for late response,couldn't get time. For your kind attention you have mentioned the dichotomy first, as a response I put up the stat. Opposite of Asian pitches are SENA countries. Asian pitches also include BD pitches. That's why I have included the stat here also. I shall include Afgan pitch (when they play test there) and off course UAE in list of Asian pitch,not eliminate them purposefully to establish my logic.


You have omitted his record in UAE where he averages 59+ with one century. He performed well in turning pitches in BD and and UAE where his teammates except Smith struggled big time.


I don't claim BD as a strong test side. We are still minnow in tests. But it's also true that we have begun to win against stronger opposition at home recently. We beat Aussies ,English,WI. In that Aussie series Aussie batsmen except Smith and Warner struggled against our spinners. So doing well in that series is not of any less credit.

No. I disagree.

Bangladesh is to Asia what WI is to SENA.

Doing well against BD is a lot less credible than doing well India or Pakistan.

There is no comparison actually.

You must not forget that after all said and done, BD is still a minnow in test cricket.

 

[Mainul]

No. I disagree.

Bangladesh is to Asia what WI is to SENA.

Doing well against BD is a lot less credible than doing well India or Pakistan.

There is no comparison actually.

You must not forget that after all said and done, BD is still a minnow in test cricket.

Then Why did you ignore his record against Pak in Asia?

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

Thanks for your observation, but I am sorry to say you didn't got it right. I am not so bias towards anybody here whether it is my countryman or others. Do you want proof? Here it is . Just go back to that epic blockbluster thread of Rainman "is Bangladesh becoming a powerhouse in cricket?" Go to post no 254 of mine....I wrote " This thread has reached to an epic level
Everybody has become so serious here by the claim of so called "power house". This thread is intended to humiliate Bangladesh and it's supporters. Posters posting comments here taking full advantage of it. Rainman, the OP here, is fully responsible for it,whom I suspect is not a Bangladeshi. I request him not to post any comment or thread on Bangladesh. It just come back again and again to haunt us here in PP. It's my Earnest request to him"

And in the previous comment (post no 119 of same thread) I wrote " Rainman's post has been always full of exaggeration and overpraise and I think intended to troll BD. I am not sure but I think he is not a Bangladeshi. I request everyone not to take this thread seriously. We Bangladeshis here don't think in that way".

I am just tired of his overhyping which is actually making my country a subject of mockery.

I have also noticed the poster named rainman makes some outlandish posts and comments which are intentionally made to troll and bring some hatred on BD cricket or he is just trying to enjoy some of the posters here losing their mind just at the mention of Bangladesh since lot of fans here are sensitive and cannot accept anything related to Bangladesh being hyped.

 

[Mainul]

You need to observe the language you used between two. What you wrote in Powerhouse thread is a face saving exercise for BD cricket team rather than critcising the poster. There is a difference in saying " I request everyone not to take this thread seriously" and calling someone 'Crybaby etc.'. In this thread when Kapil was being called as a tailender etc., I didnt see any response from you. Suddenly when Shakib was targetted, you got agitated. Trust me, your bias is clearly visible but dont worry we all hv biases for our country. But dont claim you are some neutral, preach others how to post etc.

Labelling Kapil as tailender and Shakib better than Kapil just on basis on stat and writing essays on it ,arguing relentlessly is a stupid act. I find it embarrassing even to argue on it. I have said about Rayman ,that is enough whipping for any poster of self dignity. If it don't satisfy you ,that is not my problem.

 

[Mainul]

I have also noticed the poster named rainman makes some outlandish posts and comments which are intentionally made to troll and bring some hatred on BD cricket or he is just trying to enjoy some of the posters here losing their mind just at the mention of Bangladesh since lot of fans here are sensitive and cannot accept anything related to Bangladesh being hyped.

You are spot on. He is here with a mission, not to upgrade BD's stature here, rather to downgrade. His comments invites those posters who search with searchlights to troll BD,who are out their with knives to dissect BD's dignity as a nation. I hate both.

 

[Executioner]

I am sorry to offend people but I still will. There are plenty of immature Indian, BD and Pak fans in this forum. Some are trolls. However, most of the people here are comparatively knowledgeable.

Just because a couple of Indian of
Or Pak posters or trolls I should not have a negative image of Indian or Pak fans in general.

However just because there is one troll disguised as a BD poster, people keep calling BD fans immature and all that nonsense. There are a few fixers in Pakistan cricket or Indian cricket circle but that doesn't stop us from respecting their main players and team in general.

The kind of of slack our players and our fans get is unimaginable. I am not a regular poster in this forum anymore but I can see that most of the posters here are pretty matured. Guys like Bangladesh_fan, MMHS, Mainul, nil, etc have been posting regularly and I don't see immature stuff for them. I don't go around spewing nonsense either.

Also shocking to see that a thread about Shakib breaking a world record and all there is on this thread is "Shakib is mediocre, Shakib can't tie Dev's shoelaces"

 

[the_outsider]

Then Why did you ignore his record against Pak in Asia?

Because that's the only good performance he has in Asia.

Even when we include UAE along with India and SL, Warner averages under 30.

1 good match in UAE is not sufficient to prove that he isn't horrible in Asia.

Sehwag had 4 centuries in 3 different SENA countries but he is still considered a poor traveller due to his record.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hopefully Indian superstar all rounders Hardik and Krunal can become as good as Ryan and Shakib respectively.

 

[Sam99]

Sorry but skipping important tours & from whatever i have seen of him i don't think he is impact all rounder for all conditions. He might have good stats but i would say mushfiqur is better impact player than him even though i don't like him.

 

[RainMan_]

So after getting caught red handed that Shakib never played test match in Aust, trying to change the topic. Also what do you mean by Kapil got smashed like a no-body. I thought test cricket is not about strike rates? But even if we go by your point, Kapil's economy rate is 2.74 compared to Shakib's 3.4

Its not Indian media, most pundits and experts acknowledge Dev as one of the best all rounders game has ever seen. No expert ever rated/included Shakib in their all time playing XI bcoz they his worth. But its quite understandable for a gullible BD fan to hype him around bcoz he is the only good cricketer they hv produced in their history. But in reality he is pure mediocre.
He was not injured but asked sabbatical from board in order to refresh his body.
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...cket-to-miss-south-africa-series-1515527.html
So basically he chickened out. He played all the garbage test series against Zimbos at home but decided to take a sabbatical in the only tough away tour BD was playing after long time. Basically he chickened out. Hence I said, a true jatta like Dev will never chicken out :dev
Yes 2 test matches in SA is all that took to define Shakib has great bowling record in SA? Do you even think before writing? In that case, Ravi Jadeja (who is a better all rounder than Shakib anyway IMHO) who played 1 test, has a legendary record in SA where he avgs 21 with the ball?
If he didnt chicken out in the last SA series and played the series by having accepted the challenge, he would have got same phainta and his record would hv been same as in ODIs. Atleast the likes of Kumble never chickened out and played 14 tests in SA and avgs 32.
So as soon I quoted Shakib's minnow level ODI performances in SENA, you went back to overall performance so that likes of Zimbabwe etc can be included to make Shakib's stats look better
Chori pakri gayi...Isse pehle to bahut SENA SENA kar rahe the
So lets look Kapil's ODI performance in SENA compared to Shakib, shall we?
England:
Kapil bat avg - 48 with sr of 108, bowl avg 32
Shakib bat avg - 13 with sr of 59 , bowl avg 67 )
New Zealand:
Kapil bat avg 25 with sr of 88, bowl avg of 34Shakib bat avg 23 with sr of 74, bowl avg 28

Australia
Kapil bat avg of 24 with sr of 92, bowl avg 21
Shakib bat avg 24 with sr of 74, bowl avg 44
South Africa:Kapil has less sample size bcoz cricket was banned that time in SA for apartheid. As a result he only played 7 ODIs there and avg 16 with bat at a strike rate of 75 and avgs 35 with ball.
Shakib has bat avg of 33 with sr of 66, bowl avg of 69.
During Kapil's era, the best team was WI and he avgs 25 with bat at a strike rate of 104 and bowling avg of 29. Shakib avgs 44 with the ball in WI even after playing against this inferior WI team.
Shakib's stats are heavily inflated by minnow bashing (not saying he don't play for one himself). You don't trust me? Let me explain.
That batting of 34 which you were so proudly highlighing, he avgs 116 vs Scotland in 3 games. Removes scotland, his batting avgs comes below 30
[MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] - FYI, wow check how Shakibs stats are flawed.
Obviously, this last para is a pure rant so not sure what to response here. But no expert ever rated Shakib as some great all rounder. He is on par with Jadeja as a test all rounder. Just because he playes for a weaker team like BD, he gets more oppurtunities. Had Jaddu was playing for BD, he would be one of your greats as well. But in real world, both Shakib and Jadeja are similar cricketers who are potenially below Stokes as current all rounder.

When I talk to u guys, sometimes I feel like I m talking to walls, not humans. I mean, after presenting so many evidences, so many live examples, some of u guys r still incapable of understanding simple basic things. Ok I will try for one last time.

1..........
Kapil in tests Averages 30 with the ball and 30 with the bat against all the major cricket nations (excluded zim and SL since they were minnows back then). Evidence below


Shakib averages 39 with the bat and 32 with the ball against all the major cricket nations( excluding Zimbabwae). Evidence below


WINNER: Shakib

2............
Kapil avrages 26 with the bat and 32 with the ball in tests which were played away from home home. Evidence below


Comparatively Shakib averages 39 with the bat and 31 with the ball in tests away from home. His bowling average is better and the batting average is way, way better than Kapil in this regard. As a matter of fact, Kapil's average comes across as an average of a tailender infront of Shakib. Evidence below.


WINNER: Shakib

3.............
In SENA Kapil averages 25 and 33 with the bat and bowl respectively in tests even though pitches in those countries were extremely fast bowling friendly back then. Evidence below,


Compared to that Shakib in tests averages 41 with the bat and 31 with the bowl in countries like SA, Eng and NZ even though pitches in those countries r not conducive for spin bowling at all. Evidence below


Winner: Shakib

So if we look at all the above examples we will clearly see that Shakib is miles ahead of Kapil as an alrounder. The gap in quality between these two players get even more evident if we look at their over all test career and also look at the fact Kapil failed to score a single double hundread in his entire test career. As a matter of fact he scored only 8 test centuries in his entire career.

Whereas, Shakib has already scored a double ton and has 5 centuries ynder his belt even though he has not even played one third of the number of tests that kapil has played. As i said many times already, Shakib is in a different league as an allrounder. Kapil is only famous because of the hype that has been created by Indian Media since india has yet to produce a world class allrounder. His stats clearly suggests that he isn't even an ATG level allrounder leave alone one of the greatest of all time.
[MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] [MENTION=146232]jeeteshssaxena[/MENTION]

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

When I talk to u guys, sometimes I feel like I m talking to walls, not humans. I mean, after presenting so many evidences, so many live examples, some of u guys r still incapable of understanding simple basic things. Ok I will try for one last time.

1..........
Kapil in tests Averages 30 with the ball and 30 with the bat against all the major cricket nations (excluded zim and SL since they were minnows back then). Evidence below
View attachment 85987

Shakib averages 39 with the bat and 32 with the ball against all the major cricket nations( excluding Zimbabwae). Evidence below
View attachment 85989

WINNER: Shakib

2............
Kapil avrages 26 with the bat and 32 with the ball in tests which were played away from home home. Evidence below
View attachment 85991

Comparatively Shakib averages 39 with the bat and 31 with the ball in tests away from home. His bowling average is better and the batting average is way, way better than Kapil in this regard. As a matter of fact, Kapil's average comes across as an average of a tailender infront of Shakib. Evidence below.
View attachment 85992

WINNER: Shakib

3.............
In SENA Kapil averages 25 and 33 with the bat and bowl respectively in tests even though pitches in those countries were extremely fast bowling friendly back then. Evidence below,
View attachment 85993

Compared to that Shakib in tests averages 41 with the bat and 31 with the bowl in countries like SA, Eng and NZ even though pitches in those countries r not conducive for spin bowling at all. Evidence below
View attachment 85994

Winner: Shakib

So if we look at all the above examples we will clearly see that Shakib is miles ahead of Kapil as an alrounder. The gap in quality between these two players get even more evident if we look at their over all test career and also look at the fact Kapil failed to score a single double hundread in his entire test career. As a matter of fact he scored only 8 test centuries in his entire career.

Whereas, Shakib has already scored a double ton and has 5 centuries ynder his belt even though he has not even played one third of the number of tests that kapil has played. As i said many times already, Shakib is in a different league as an allrounder. Kapil is only famous because of the hype that has been created by Indian Media since india has yet to produce a world class allrounder. His stats clearly suggests that he isn't even an ATG level allrounder leave alone one of the greatest of all time.

[MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] [MENTION=146232]jeeteshssaxena[/MENTION]

Good effort. But now they will bring in the number of matches played by both Kapil and Shakib. Add to that the quality of the opposition as well.

 

[Ab Fan]

Some immature comments from both ends. Shakib has done very well over his career. His stats flatter himself because he hasn't played many matches outside his comfort zone and in tough countries but he has a valid claim to be the best all-rounder of his era. He is on par with Stokes and better than Moeen, and Ashwin/jadeja(not good enough batsmen) as an all-rounder.

On other hand, it is weird how [MENTION=146500]RainMan_[/MENTION] is laughably leaving out WI, the best team of his era for Kapil Dev and counting only SENA for him and also leaving out Shakib mediocre stats in WI. Dev is a genuine ATG all-rounder across both formats and his performance vs WI,puts him in an ATG tier.

 

[the_outsider]

I am not a fan of Kapil Dev, for reasons that I will not get into.

But a phattu like Shakib isn't even worthy of being in Kapil's Dev's presence on a cricket field.

Too scared to face the heat in the Asia Cup and running away to the doctor because of a boo boo.

And too scared to even get on a plane to SA. He thought a bouncer from Rabada would end his career. And he was probably right.

If that happened then how would he be able to come to the IPL every year to keep the bench warm?

 

[ikky47]

Shakib is the best all rounder of his era however it is profane to compare him to someone like Kapil Dev who is an ATG all rounder.

 

[BDfanforever]

[MENTION=136446]Mainul[/MENTION], [MENTION=130260]Executioner[/MENTION], [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] The trick to Rainman thread is to maybe make 1 or 2 post and then bounce, otherwise his over hyping threads will just keep growing in pages. I think MMHS realized that as well.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

When I talk to u guys, sometimes I feel like I m talking to walls, not humans. I mean, after presenting so many evidences, so many live examples, some of u guys r still incapable of understanding simple basic things. Ok I will try for one last time.

1..........
Kapil in tests Averages 30 with the ball and 30 with the bat against all the major cricket nations (excluded zim and SL since they were minnows back then). Evidence below
View attachment 85987

Shakib averages 39 with the bat and 32 with the ball against all the major cricket nations( excluding Zimbabwae). Evidence below
View attachment 85989

WINNER: Shakib

2............
Kapil avrages 26 with the bat and 32 with the ball in tests which were played away from home home. Evidence below
View attachment 85991

Comparatively Shakib averages 39 with the bat and 31 with the ball in tests away from home. His bowling average is better and the batting average is way, way better than Kapil in this regard. As a matter of fact, Kapil's average comes across as an average of a tailender infront of Shakib. Evidence below.
View attachment 85992

WINNER: Shakib

3.............
In SENA Kapil averages 25 and 33 with the bat and bowl respectively in tests even though pitches in those countries were extremely fast bowling friendly back then. Evidence below,
View attachment 85993

Compared to that Shakib in tests averages 41 with the bat and 31 with the bowl in countries like SA, Eng and NZ even though pitches in those countries r not conducive for spin bowling at all. Evidence below
View attachment 85994

Winner: Shakib

So if we look at all the above examples we will clearly see that Shakib is miles ahead of Kapil as an alrounder. The gap in quality between these two players get even more evident if we look at their over all test career and also look at the fact Kapil failed to score a single double hundread in his entire test career. As a matter of fact he scored only 8 test centuries in his entire career.

Whereas, Shakib has already scored a double ton and has 5 centuries ynder his belt even though he has not even played one third of the number of tests that kapil has played. As i said many times already, Shakib is in a different league as an allrounder. Kapil is only famous because of the hype that has been created by Indian Media since india has yet to produce a world class allrounder. His stats clearly suggests that he isn't even an ATG level allrounder leave alone one of the greatest of all time.

[MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] [MENTION=146232]jeeteshssaxena[/MENTION]

So after SENA lie being caught (because Shakib never played a single test in Australia) or after pathetic ODI record of Shakib being busted where his stats turns into minnow level if you remove Scotland, you went back to tests again?

Look around this thread, not only me but your countrymen are laughing at ridiculous comparison of Shakib with Kapil. But since you are determined to embarrass yourself, let me do it

Shakib had played 35 out 54 test matches at doctored home pitches. Even then he avgs 32 with ball

He never played a test match in Australia or Pakistan or UAE. Just 2 matches in Eng and SA each (could hv played in SA more but chickened out on last series), 1 in India, 4 in NZ. He avgs pathetic 13 and 11 with bat in Eng respectively. Even at home he avgs 28 with bat vs Aust, 25 vs Eng, 26 vs Ind, 20 vs SA

Kapil (the great Jatta) never chickened out from any series unlike Shakib and faced the best of best teams in uncovered pitches. No soft runs or wickets unlike Shakib. For example, Kapil played 9 test matches againsg ATG WI where his opposition consists of Holdimg, Roberts, Marshal, Garner, Greenige, Haynes, Richards, Lloyds etc. When Shakib toured WI in 2013, they had legendary opponents like Tino Best, DE Bernard, RA Austin, FL Reifer as skipper )
Have you ever heard any such names?
Jatta paaji played 15 tests in Pak consists of ATG players like Imran Khan, Sarfraz Nawaz, Mushtaq Mohammed etc. Shakib never get to face any such bowler.

Kapil avgs 20 in Aust with bat and 24 with ball in test cricket. A country that Shakib never played.
Winner - Kapil

Kapil played 42 ODIs in Aust, avg 24 with bat and 21 with ball.
Shakib avgs 24 with bat and 44 with ball
Winner - Kapil

Kapil played 13 tests in Eng and avg 36 with bat and 39 with ball.
Shakib only 2 tests (11 lesser and against much poorer teams) where he avgs 13 with bat and 35 with ball.
Winner - Jatta again

In 17 ODIs (Eng), Kapil avgs 47 with bat and 31 with ball.
Shakib 27 with bat and 70 with ball.
Winner - Kapil

Kapil avgs only 10 with bat in NZ in tests and 42 with ball.
Shakib only played 4 tests there but had good avg of 73 with bat and pathetic 40 with ball. His good batting avg was due to 1 double century innings. But you want to know the fun part? BD still went onto lose that test
Winner - I will give it to Shakib (just)

In ODIs, Kapil avg 24 with bat and 34 with ball.
Shakib 23 with bat and 29 with ball.
Winner -Shakib

In SA, Kapil avg 41 with bat and 37 with ball.
Shakib 11 with bat and 21 with ball.
Shakib only played 2 tests there and chickened out in last series. Hence
Winner - Kapil

In ODIs, Kapil avgs 16 with bat and 37 with ball.
Shakib 33 with bat and 70 with ball
Winner - Kapil

We dont even need to check the stats against WI, as Kapil played against ATG WI side and Shakib with no name players as stated above.
Default winner - Jatta again

Also, you need to consider other factors. Kapil player in an era of uncovered pitches, mostly on no helmet era, bigger boundaries and also loads of red ball proper ODI cricket with no field restriction or 2 new ball rule.

Additionally, Kapil is a bigger legend. He played and won 2 ICC events in his career - 83 WC and 85 B&H World series. Him lifting the trophy at Lords balcony is what made cricket so famous in Asia. Prior to that cricket was just white man's game. The cricket craze you see in subcontinet today started from that prudential cup win. So Kapil is a huge iconic figure and role model.

Shakib is yet to play an ICC final. He is yet to win even an Asia cup or a tri series for his team with his performance. Apart from being a poor player(poor man's Jadeja to be precise), has no personality or charisma at all. He breaks dressing room glass, does inappropriate gestrure on cam etc. He is the last person any kid growing up wana emulate.

So you can twist stats anyway you want, but no sane minded individual will rate Shakib above Jatta. Infact, if he was an Indian, he would not play more than 15 tests because Ashwin and Jadeja made their debut just 3 years after Shakib and they both are better bowlers than him. And we don't need his batting either. His stats are classic case of minnow bashing, playing against weaker opponents and chickening out from tougher series.

Understood?

Now before you go, there is something more I noticed. He avgs only 20 with bat against Ireland after 9 ODIs and 12 with bat against Afg in T20s.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Shakib is the best all rounder of his era however it is profane to compare him to someone like Kapil Dev who is an ATG all rounder.

Lol he is far from being the best all rounder of this era. This is the problem when people randomly go by stats and dont look at impacts. He can dream of the innings Hardik Pandya played against that bowling attack on that pitch in SA. He can dream of the innings Stoksey played in 2013 Ashes.

Stokes and Pandya are clearly better than him. He is on par with Ashwin, Faheem, Jadeja as all rounders.

 

[Executioner]

I am not a fan of Kapil Dev, for reasons that I will not get into.

But a phattu like Shakib isn't even worthy of being in Kapil's Dev's presence on a cricket field.

Too scared to face the heat in the Asia Cup and running away to the doctor because of a boo boo.

And too scared to even get on a plane to SA. He thought a bouncer from Rabada would end his career. And he was probably right.

If that happened then how would he be able to come to the IPL every year to keep the bench warm?

Do you realize that the infection had spreaded so much that it was almost about to have his hand become permanently damaged? The basic fact that he even tried to play in the Asia Cup shows how mentally strong he is.

 

[Executioner]

Lol he is far from being the best all rounder of this era. This is the problem when people randomly go by stats and dont look at impacts. He can dream of the innings Hardik Pandya played against that bowling attack on that pitch in SA. He can dream of the innings Stoksey played in 2013 Ashes.

Stokes and Pandya are clearly better than him. He is on par with Ashwin, Faheem, Jadeja as all rounders.

And you totally ignored that Shakib has a double hundred to his name in NZ.

 

[SL_Fan]

Well done to Shakib that's a great achievement. Has attitude issues but as a cricketer world class.

 

[Mainul]

I am not a fan of Kapil Dev, for reasons that I will not get into.

But a phattu like Shakib isn't even worthy of being in Kapil's Dev's presence on a cricket field.

Too scared to face the heat in the Asia Cup and running away to the doctor because of a boo boo.

And too scared to even get on a plane to SA. He thought a bouncer from Rabada would end his career. And he was probably right.

If that happened then how would he be able to come to the IPL every year to keep the bench warm?

Comment without knowing the scenario at all will only make your comment a joke. Shakib were carrying serious injury to his left little finger sustained in tri series final against Srilanka. He was supposed to undergo an operation ,such serious was the nature of injury to his bowling hand. Shakib played with painkiller in WI ( do you think that roach, Gabriel is a trundler and they can't bowl bouncer? ) , won us 2nd ODI series win in WI, won us first T20 series win in WI .Despite his pain aggrevated but due to request of BCB patriotic with wrong clearance of our physio Shakib went to play in Asia cup. His finger became swollen with pain in tournament and couldn't take part in final and returned home ( probably he feared vubi
Shoib Kumar, Pandey younis, Khalil Akram!! ).
When he returned home,specialist said his injured finger had sustained severe bone infection, pus was drained out and he later went to Australia for further treatment. Shakib toured NZ, Australia in WC,England and in previous SA tour. Those who questions about his SA tour omission indicating his fear , is just ignorent.
When Shakib will retire inshAllah he will come into a position to be compared with Kapil Dev. But for now it's not we shall just enjoy the moment if Shakib's success

 

[Mainul]

[MENTION=136446]Mainul[/MENTION], [MENTION=130260]Executioner[/MENTION], [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] The trick to Rainman thread is to maybe make 1 or 2 post and then bounce, otherwise his over hyping threads will just keep growing in pages. I think MMHS realized that as well.

Yes, you are right

 

[Romali_rotti]

After reading a few of the recent posts here by the Bangla supporters not named Rainman, I am inclined to believe that Rainman might be a troll who hates Bangla cricket and doing all this so Bangla cricket and their fans get ridiculed. So I am going to stay out of this and not further fuel his agenda...

 

[latecut]

What is the purpose of this thread ? To make non Bangladeshis cricket fans praise Shakib. The non Bangladeshi fans have greater cricketing legends in their own countries, so one cannot make them sing paens of Shakib unlike Bangladeshi fans. The title of the thread informs us about the achievement of Shakib. No matter how many times this thread get revived again and again, no non Bangladeshi fan would say what Bangladeshi fans are dying to hear- that Shakib is a bigger legend than Sobers. Not at all. Please keep it in mind that Soberb, when he retired held the following records:-

(1)Highest test runs scorer.
(2) Second highest number of test centuries
(3) Highest number of test catches by a non wicketkeeper
(4) Fourth highest number of test wickets.

The only test allrounder who came anywhere close to Sobers was Jack Kallis.

Let Shakib achieve the feats that Sobers achieved during his time before he can be counted in the same league as Sobers.

 

[BreadPakoda]

After reading a few of the recent posts here by the Bangla supporters not named Rainman, I am inclined to believe that Rainman might be a troll who hates Bangla cricket and doing all this so Bangla cricket and their fans get ridiculed. So I am going to stay out of this and not further fuel his agenda...

Agree. I’ll do the same.

 

[RainMan_]

What is the purpose of this thread ? To make non Bangladeshis cricket fans praise Shakib. The non Bangladeshi fans have greater cricketing legends in their own countries, so one cannot make them sing paens of Shakib unlike Bangladeshi fans. The title of the thread informs us about the achievement of Shakib. No matter how many times this thread get revived again and again, no non Bangladeshi fan would say what Bangladeshi fans are dying to hear- that Shakib is a bigger legend than Sobers. Not at all. Please keep it in mind that Soberb, when he retired held the following records:-

(1)Highest test runs scorer.
(2) Second highest number of test centuries
(3) Highest number of test catches by a non wicketkeeper
(4) Fourth highest number of test wickets.

The only test allrounder who came anywhere close to Sobers was Jack Kallis.

Let Shakib achieve the feats that Sobers achieved during his time before he can be counted in the same league as Sobers.

Where did u get this idea? Who claimed Shakib to be a better allrounder than Sobbers? Sobbers(and perhaps Imran) is the greatest test allrounder to ever grace the cricket field. Shakib is still a long way to go before he matches the greatest allrounder of all time.

But achievements like becoming the fastest allrounder to take 200 wickets and scoring 3000 runs is no mean feat either and records like this have already put him in a special position among all the other great allrounders, especially if u consider the fact that he plays for a weaker team and most of the time he has to do all the work by himself.

Bowlers usually work in pairs and one bower feed of others success. But in Bangladesh team almost all the work is done by him. No wonder, why he's considered as one of the greatest allrounder to emerge from Asia.

Then add the fact that he's the only allrounder in the history of cricket who has 5 wickets haul against all the cricket matins and the third greatest allrounder to have a positive difference between his batting and bowling average. Only sobbers and kallis r better than him in this regard. If records like these were that easy to be made then we wouldn't have to wait 30/40 years for shakib to make such records.

These records r indeed special and certainly deserve a seperate thread.

 

[the_outsider]

Where did u get this idea? Who claimed Shakib to be a better allrounder than Sobbers? Sobbers(and perhaps Imran) is the greatest test allrounder to ever grace the cricket field. Shakib is still a long way to go before he matches the greatest allrounder of all time.

But achievements like becoming the fastest allrounder to take 200 wickets and scoring 3000 runs is no mean feat either and records like this have already put him in a special position among all the other great allrounders, especially if u consider the fact that he plays for a weaker team and most of the time he has to do all the work by himself.

Bowlers usually work in pairs and one bower feed of others success. But in Bangladesh team almost all the work is done by him. No wonder, why he's considered as one of the greatest allrounder to emerge from Asia.

Then add the fact that he's the only allrounder in the history of cricket who has 5 wickets haul against all the cricket matins and the third greatest allrounder to have a positive difference between his batting and bowling average. Only sobbers and kallis r better than him in this regard. If records like these were that easy to be made then we wouldn't have to wait 30/40 years for shakib to make such records.

These records r indeed special and certainly deserve a seperate thread.

Yes he is the greatest minnow AR in the history of cricket. His numbers against minnows are outstanding and he has won many matches for his team against minnows. Congratulations.

Unfortunately none of that can be said about his performance against real cricket teams. But hey, who cares? Minnowbashing ftw!

 

[latecut]

West Indies of Kapil Dev era was a team that other teams dreaded. For instance, whenever triangular ODI series were held in Australia involving West Indies, Australia and a third team, Australia (the second strongest team of that time) would give up hope of winning against West Indies and concentrated on winning against the third team. That was the kind of aura that west Indies possessed.

India were the first team that managed to defeat West Indies in ODI in 1983, not once but thrice, including twice in World cup 1983. It was an unprecedented feat against West Indies at that time. It goes without saying that Kapildev played a key role in these wins, and in India winning the world cup in 1983 which revolutionised world cricket in the sense that Indians suddenly began to take serious interest in cricket. So much so that the next world cup was help in Asia and sponsored by an Indian company, with India and Pakistan being the joint favourites for that world cup.

That way, at least in world cup, Kapil Dev was far more influential than other contemporary all rounders like Botham, Imran Khan and Ricjhard Hadlee whose teams never won a single game aginst West Indies in world cup till 1983. In fact, no team other than India could defeat West Indies even once till 1983 world cup. So India, under the inspiring leadership of Kapildev did what was considered impossible at that time in cricket.

Shakib is simply not in the same league. The opponents that he has performed against are minnows. Kapildev's exploits changed the dynamics of world cricket in cricketing as well as administrative level. I do not think Shakib can have that kind of influence on world cricket even in his dreams.

 

[Executioner]

Why is this a Kapil vs Shakib thread

Kapil is an ATG, Shakib is a country great. He still has plenty of cricket left.

 

[Savage]

Shakib al Hasan is the best ODI cricketer in the world: Bangladesh spin bowling coach Sunil Joshi

Bangladesh’s spin bowling coach Sunil Joshi is impressed with spinners’ adaptability to the white ball challenge and labeled all-rounder Shakib Al Hasan as the best ODI cricketer in the world.

After thrashing Windies 2-0 in the Test series, Bangladesh defeated the Caribbeans comfortably in the first ODI. And a superb effort from the bowling departed restricted the visitors to only 195 runs.

Joshi believes it was hard fought win and gave credit to his bowling for adapting well to the format.

“I think it was a very hard fought win. The bowlers really did well by putting the breaks on West Indies batting and restricting them to 190. If you look at the bowling unit, the whole bowling unit – be it spinners or be it fast bowlers – bowled very well. Majority of them have not gone at more than 30 runs. So this is a very good bowling effort and we won by five with 15 overs to spare, that’s a convincing win.”

After being named as the man of the series in the longer format of the game, Shakib showed promise yet again in the first ODI with his all-round performance. And the former Indian spinner couldn’t hold himself back from labeling Shakib, the best in the world.

“I think the white ball makes it more difficult (for spinners ) in the one-day format and same when you go to Twenty20 as well. And definitely, how the batsmen also react seeing two spinners from both ends. You need a bit of tactical changes as well.”

“I think Shakib is not only our national honour or talent, you can say he is the best ODI cricketer in world cricket. If you look at his qualities, I’m not talking about his numbers, as a bowler, as a fielder as a batsman, he is tremendously talented and skilful.So that’s what we have in Shakib and he brings in a lot of experience, lot of technical and tactical ability around the team which should be benefited,” Joshi concluded.

Bangladesh will take on Windies in the 2nd ODI tomorrow at the same venue.

 

[Savage]

That's a bold statement.

 

[Pakpak]

Stupid statement, everyone knows that. He plays for the best team in history.

 

[Ganju Baba]

Thanks Captain Obvious.

Like this was ever a secret that Shakib is a once in a century player. 20th century had Bradman, this century has Shakib.

Bangladesh is indeed a cricket powerhouse. Kudos.

 

[pratiktc]

He is certainly the best allrounder in LOIs currently. Guaranteed 10 over bowler and quality top 6 bat.

Walks into every ODI XI in the world.

 

[TM Riddle]

All jokes aside , Shakib is a really useful cricketer and would probably walk in all LOI sides at present.

 

[TeamPak95]

Shakib zindabad.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Dumb Statement.

 

[RainMan_]

Can certainly see the burn that Joshi's statement has caused to sone of my friends here. Joshi is damn right with his assessment.

Allrounders r a rare breed and they certainly get more importance in cricket than what a batter or bowler gets. And if that allrounder is someone of Shakib's caliber, then we can clearly easily realise that how much value that allrounder will add to a team.

Shakib is obviously one of the most valuable players in the world. He's not only one of the best ODI players in the world, but also one of the best test players as well. There r very few players in world cricket right now who r in the league of shakib as a player.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Sabbatical Hasan needs to win a couple of important cups for his team to be relevant. He’s a good player against lesser oppositions but the best? Good joke, Sunil.

 

[BilalSez]

Lmao. Coward can never be best in anything.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Shakib is a choker of grand proportion in ODIs. Supreme minnow basher with inflated stats.