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Shan Masood - Why is he selected again?

IAJ said:
What good start? He was just lucky to survive some close shouts etc. Reminds me of Imran Farhat, poor batsman.
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That's your bias kicking in. Almost every batsman has survived some close shouts early on in this match.

Ultimately he has failed, but deserves the 2nd test before we think of dropping him. If we start dropping players one match into the series it's not fair and sends out the wrong message to the players coming in.
 
talha3 said:
That's your bias kicking in. Almost every batsman has survived some close shouts early on in this match.

Ultimately he has failed, but deserves the 2nd test before we think of dropping him. If we start dropping players one match into the series it's not fair and sends out the wrong message to the players coming in.
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Am sure Anderson is looking forward to 2 easy cheap wickets with his bunny at old trafford!
 
talha3 said:
That's your bias kicking in. Almost every batsman has survived some close shouts early on in this match.

Ultimately he has failed, but deserves the 2nd test before we think of dropping him. If we start dropping players one match into the series it's not fair and sends out the wrong message to the players coming in.
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No bias at all. I saw him in UAE and he was a walking wicket outside off there as well. He might score a 50 or 2 on this tour but you can clearly see he is not a good opener, big lbw candidate, very slow reflexes and poor outside off.

He needs to leave those balls.
 
IAJ said:
No bias at all. I saw him in UAE and he was a walking wicket outside off there as well. He might score a 50 or 2 on this tour but you can clearly see he is not a good opener, big lbw candidate, very slow reflexes and poor outside off.

He needs to leave those balls.
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Agree with your analysis. However do you not agree he's played some innings worthy of potential? At the moment I don't think he'll be a long term prospect. But he has shown some good signs so deserves the next test as a last chance.
 
a scratchy 24..not an impressive innings at all. Looked in all sorts of trouble. His selection is rightly questioned. He has no technique to survive on these pitches and it was also evident today that he doesn't have too many scoring shots either.

I'd rather have Umar Akmal than him. At least his 24 won't be as painful.
 
Shan was given chances in UAE series and this 1st test here and its clear england have worked him out already, then again a 12 year old could work out how easy shan is to bowl to, sorry but hes got to go.
 
The only people who are supporting him are the elite section of Pakistan society people with silver spoon In their mouth and live in bahria towns and defence housing and model towns and eat croissants and coffee for breakfast

They are trying to
Push Shan masood on Pakistan team portraying him as the next Imran Khan and future captain


Only difference is Imran Khan was world class, talented and a legend and even though an elite his roots are from the salt of the earth a tribal Pashtun which no doubt had his imprint on him


Shan masood is the cricketing equivalent of bilawal Bhutto

How Shahzad Umar and babar can't make this team is beyond reason
 
Am sure the job of openers in england is to see off the new ball which he done.

Looks like he got selected due to his connections but still I think the fans should be patient with him during this tour, I doubt any Pakistan openers will do any better then masood.

+ he isn't going to learn anything from opening with Hafeez.
 
I think we need Azhar to open ( the guy is practically opening anyway) and move everyone up and babar azam can bat where shafiq bats. Who agrees??
 
Bewal Express said:
For me Shazad would be just as poor on these wickets as this guy.
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Have no clue. But Shan just isn't an option it is pretty clear, nor is Hafeez.

And for all the talk of difficult pitches, this was no green mamba by any stretch.

Hafeez' problem is very much in the mind.

Shan seems to have every kind of problem.
 
Finisher said:
Am sure the job of openers in england is to see off the new ball which he done.

Looks like he got selected due to his connections but still I think the fans should be patient with him during this tour, I doubt any Pakistan openers will do any better then masood.

+ he isn't going to learn anything from opening with Hafeez.
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Consistently getting out in the 20's is not a job well done, sorry to say. We can and should expect more.

Of the available options Shehzad is in the best form by some distance. Last LA scores 62, 143, 79, 57, 31.

All of them look better than 20. Or 0.
 
How many times are we going to come to England with two walking wickets at the top of the order ?

Shan's footwork is like he's stuck in treacle, too many tentative and hard handed pokes outside off stump. I don't care how much he can bench in the gym - these technical deficiencies are too apparent.
 
Don't kid yourselves that Shehzad is the answer either. Also has issue of static feet and playing away from his body. We all saw how he fared vs Dhamikka Prasad in Sri Lanka.

Push Azhar up the order, he's practically opening as it is anyway.
 
Shehzad isn't the answer either, he would not last long on these wickets

Either Azhar opens and we can then push Shafiq up as well or we find a new opener
 
radahad said:
Honest question

Just take a look at this FC average or average in any other format http://www.espncricinfo.com/canada/content/player/233901.html

Definitely not becoming of an opener, especially when we have guys with phenomenally higher first-class averages like say Fawad Alam on the brink. Don't want this to turn into a Fawad Alam fan club thread (even though I am a fan), but let's skip that.

But I honestly want to know, what is it about him. Some of the "sensationalist" theories here are that it's nepotism...but what nepotism??? What ties does he have to the PCB? Please back your arguments up with facts.

EDIT: Apparently he is in line to replace Shehzad in the test series, which is why I am asking. Seems like a great kid though (personality wise).
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Shan Masood is being persisted, purely on his talent(Technique, classy way he can play straight and leave a ball away from stumps). but So far he is not panning out. Ahmed Shehzad should been on this tour he averages 43 in tests and has been good in Tests. But he is being kept out for his spats with Waqar Younis. A parting shot by Waqar which is harming Pakistan Cricket in General. However problem is we don't need 1 but 2 new openers as Hafeez too is only stop gap solution he is not a test class opener, but at least he has done more than Shan. this series could be a make and break for Shan Masood , but I am hoping he is going to play a good innings or two. Things are going to get tough once Jimmy Anderson Returns.
 
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There's a simple solution. Drop Masood, get Azhar to open since he's always there in the first 2-3 overs. Play Shafiq at 3 and bring Babar Azam at 6. If not, then we can also try Sami Aslam as an opener. Shan Masood is a pathetic joke of a tailender.
 
radahad said:
Honest question

Just take a look at this FC average or average in any other format http://www.espncricinfo.com/canada/content/player/233901.html

Definitely not becoming of an opener, especially when we have guys with phenomenally higher first-class averages like say Fawad Alam on the brink. Don't want this to turn into a Fawad Alam fan club thread (even though I am a fan), but let's skip that.

But I honestly want to know, what is it about him. Some of the "sensationalist" theories here are that it's nepotism...but what nepotism??? What ties does he have to the PCB? Please back your arguments up with facts.

EDIT: Apparently he is in line to replace Shehzad in the test series, which is why I am asking. Seems like a great kid though (personality wise).
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"Masood’s father, who is a member of the Board of Governors at the PCB, is the ultimate cricket buff but Masood insists that he told his son to carve his own journey."

http://tribune.com.pk/story/917885/his-father-struck-it-rich-shan-masood-struck-it-for-six/

http://www.pcb.com.pk/board-of-governors.html

and:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1195910

if thats not disgusting nepotism i dont know what is.
 
I really want him to do well but he has not got a good technique and u will see that when Anderson cleans him up in first over next test


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I wish I had the family connections that Mr. Masood has.

Don't we all?... Don't we all?...
 
Rameez Raja v2.0, not very talanted but expect him to play a few more tests and feature in some limited overs line up's then be set for life as the future voice of Pak cricket commentary in between his part time job with the pcb.
 
The logical solution is to move Azhar up to open with Hafeez and bring Babar Azam in at 3, but for some reason Misbah doesn't want to shift Azhar. If that's the case, I'd rather play Sami Aslam instead of Masood.
 
Look, some of the shots he plays are brilliant to watch. It takes ability to play shots like that.

He's had a good education and his schooling of cricket comes from England, so his base in terms of learning cricket has been very good.

However, I feel... He simply does not have the quality to play top level cricket. He is likable but not ready for International cricket atm. He should be groomed as the Pakistan captain instead and I think he would be more effective in the ODI's.
 
Theo_14 said:
Look, some of the shots he plays are brilliant to watch. It takes ability to play shots like that.

He's had a good education and his schooling of cricket comes from England, so his base in terms of learning cricket has been very good.

However, I feel... He simply does not have the quality to play top level cricket. He is likable but not ready for International cricket atm. He should be groomed as the Pakistan captain instead and I think he would be more effective in the ODI's.
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English schooling does not necessarily teach you more than Pakistani schooling. You just learn different things.
 
New Yorker said:
English schooling does not necessarily teach you more than Pakistani schooling. You just learn different things.
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Exactly. The said poster probably has never visited Pakistan. Pakistani private schools are way superior to British public schools and at par with private. This is evident by the fact that they have better GCE results than those.
 
LowKiiSavage said:
Exactly. The said poster probably has never visited Pakistan. Pakistani private schools are way superior to British public schools and at par with private. This is evident by the fact that they have better GCE results than those.
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I have my very own home in Hunza Valley; glad you used the word 'probably.' I don't see how expressing a opinion would make you question whether I live there or not; weird thinking.

When I say schooling; I meant cricketing schooling or god sake. Grass root-level cricket or his base to learning cricket in other words. Masood has played his youth cricket in England and it's a fact that England's school cricket and county level cricket is on a different level to Pakistan's who are stuggling to produce good talent of cricket or pace bowlers; solely because... Their domestic method and grass-root level cricket are way behind.
 
I can see what the team management and coach want. A left and right-hand-combo. But that invariably works when they're actually 2 decent players.

Hafeez and Masood are walking wickets, and when Anderson sees these 2 at the crease he'll be licking his lips.

They both get bogged down often and don't help the runrate in any way. I just feel the plans won't change and they'll stick with both the openers. Hope I'm wrong though.
 
Yanna_Rascala said:
There's a simple solution. Drop Masood, get Azhar to open since he's always there in the first 2-3 overs. Play Shafiq at 3 and bring Babar Azam at 6. If not, then we can also try Sami Aslam as an opener. Shan Masood is a pathetic joke of a tailender.
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loool, exactly my thinking regarding all the players. I don't want Masood to fail as some might (if you want someone to fail in your own team, you're basically wishing your team to fail. Backwards thinking), but from the first test we can see he isn't gonna have a great tour. All the opposition have to do is bowl it outside off, he'll fish for one and get nicked behind. They don't even need Anderson to be back for this but he'll cause even more problems for Masood and Hafeez both. Terrible times await the Pakistani top order :((
 
Sherlock said:
I can see what the team management and coach want. A left and right-hand-combo. But that invariably works when they're actually 2 decent players.

Hafeez and Masood are walking wickets, and when Anderson sees these 2 at the crease he'll be licking his lips.

They both get bogged down often and don't help the runrate in any way. I just feel the plans won't change and they'll stick with both the openers. Hope I'm wrong though.
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I don't know why people bring up Anderson. Shan struggles against everyone.
 
its an absolute disgrace that he is playing. surely there is something the fan base can do to get his corrupt nepotistic dad kicked out of the board?
 
Shan seems like a decent guy unlike other with similar situations, so i cant outright hate him, but bhai just do the right thing and excuse yourself like Junaid Zia did.
 
Pakistan cant afford to keep losing 2 wickets at the start of the inns so easily and cheapily, Masood has already been worked out and should not be opening for rest of this series.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Pakistan cant afford to keep losing 2 wickets at the start of the inns so easily and cheapily, Masood has already been worked out and should not be opening for rest of this series.
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I second that there is no point in tryouts no him again. Sami may last longer and have less holes in his technique... This guy is walking wicket.

Shan's technique on off side is same as Amir(who bats at number 10), this is such a shame [emoji83][emoji83][emoji83]


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I'm sure even he feels embarrassed late at night while trying to sleep.

The thought must come to his mind - "I don't deserve being in the team, yet I'm there, I keep failing, I can't even drop myself and keep getting selected due to some supernatural forces."
 
It is a triumph for stupidity and incompetence if either Shan Masood or Sami Aslam opens in the next Test.

It is pathetically obvious that England have got Masood on toast. It is equally pathetically obvious that both Jaahid Ali and Babar Azam have scored hundreds of runs in England this summer while neither Masood nor Aslam has.
 
Looks like Shan masood might end up with 100 test caps one day with a bat average of 10!

Pathetic recall decision!
 
Can someone please remind me what exactly is Shan Masood's father's position in the pcb setup? i remember reading he is quite high up.
 
Salman said:
Can someone please remind me what exactly is Shan Masood's father's position in the pcb setup? i remember reading he is quite high up.
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sits on the board of governors

Like i have said on many times, Shan could be the best player in pakistan and this would still be a conflict of interest.
 
Jimmy Anderson is just checking the england fixture lists to see when pakistan next tour is so he can gain a few more gift wickets..
 
Batsmen like imran farhat are Don Bradman when compared with this joke of a batsman...
 
Not a Test class opener. Simple as. Nothing personal, I'm sure he's a nice guy but I'd take Sami Aslam on his worst day over Shan Masood as at least Aslam can blunt the new ball whereas Masood never looks convincing at the crease.
 
Hope he fails again in the second innings or we win by an innings and we never see him again and Sami Aslam deservedly comes back.
 
Because Abu Ji wanted it and you cannot expect merit when political appointees like Sethi and Sheri are at the helm.
 
[MENTION=136570]radahad[/MENTION]

Again he has replaced Ahmed Shehzad :)
 
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Hes like the kid in the playground who always get to be striker coz its his football, everyone hates him but no1 wants to say anything
 
Abdullah719 said:
I see no recent FC performances from him to justify his selection.
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Inzamam was actually asked this question.

He answered that shan masood made a comeback in the west indies tour where he only played one match. It would be unfair to drop him so quickly as he only played one match after his comeback. This is why he has been given a chance in this series.
 
sadida97 said:
Inzamam was actually asked this question.

He answered that shan masood made a comeback in the west indies tour where he only played one match. It would be unfair to drop him so quickly as he only played one match after his comeback. This is why he has been given a chance in this series.
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Okay

What were his domestic performances that got him picked for the WI tour ?

Only performance I can think of was in the boardroom
 
sadida97 said:
Inzamam was actually asked this question.

He answered that shan masood made a comeback in the west indies tour where he only played one match. It would be unfair to drop him so quickly as he only played one match after his comeback. This is why he has been given a chance in this series.
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Maybe someone should ask Inzamam why Shan was selected for the West Indies tour.... :misbah3
 
Sharjeel got banned just before the tour.

Sami Aslam got dropped coz he ate something which the team management had forbidden.

So Masood got picked. There weren't many other options...
 
sadida97 said:
Sharjeel got banned just before the tour.

Sami Aslam got dropped coz he ate something which the team management had forbidden.

So Masood got picked. There weren't many other options...
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Does Sami know where his off-stump is? Yes.

Does Shan know where his off-stump is? No.

Selectors: But does Sami (allegedly) eat Chicken Karahi?

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Abdullah719 said:
Does Sami know where his off-stump is? Yes.

Does Shan know where his off-stump is? No.

Selectors: But does Sami (allegedly) eat Chicken Karahi?

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Chicken karahi is Halal eating someones haq (dads dream) is haram.

Surely earing haram is worse than eating a bit of fried chicken. And tbf who can resist Chicken Karahi (dads dream ofcourse coz hes so super duper fit)
 
sadida97 said:
Sharjeel got banned just before the tour.

Sami Aslam got dropped coz he ate something which the team management had forbidden.

So Masood got picked. There weren't many other options...
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Rubbish

Inzis own nephew would have been a better pick let alone somebody like J Ali
 
MMHS said:
Among all the openers including Shehzad, Shan has the best technique & temperament. He was part of PAK U16, U19 teams for almost 5 years, long before his uncle became Secretary. I am a Bangladeshi, but know from 2008 that the kid Shan Masood has a very good forward defense, very good measurement of his off stump & he doesn't throw his starts. Shan Masood is classic example of how young players are treated in PAK. Hafeez proved his class time & again against SAF, even ZIM, so Shan debuted against SAF, made a "Opener perfect" 75 on debut. Indeed failed in next 2 of 3 innings (his 21 at DSC was second highest out of 99, & a proper knock), but selectors retained Manzoor for SRL & now Hafeez Shahab is back as all-rounder.

Masood is extremely unlucky in 3 ways -
1. he is close relative of an influential person, which 'll always raise question mark on his inclusion. However, I am surprised to know that in PAK position of Finance Secretary is so powerful that his nephew can get into National side. I mean, there are at least 3 dozens of federal ministers, 273 federal MP, at least half a dozens of 4 star General, Cabinet Secretary, 5 dozens of full secretary, 5 state governors, 5 High Court Chief justice, Director General of Police .....I mean don't these guys have any son, brother, nephew playing cricket? If F. Secretary can make his nephew play Test cricket, in order of hierarchy, these guys are either parallel or higher & I have left out the opposition party, state government, commercial CIPs, PCB office bearers & former cricket greats.

2. He was debuted against SAF & then got dropped - after that PAK is bashing SRL, AUS & Kiwi bowlers in UAE - had there been just a couple of Tests in between, even in WI or NZ, Shan probably would have been required to be called back, without the memo of his uncle. Not many PAK openers are capable of shoulder arming all 6 balls of Steyn.

3. In sub-continent we are very much fond of cult movie culture - the Dilip Kumars, the Amitabhs, the Mithuns - all those deprived, poor, orphan road rockers. Here heroes are born in poverty, learns from survival & fights against nepotism, double standards. If a player comes from rich, influential family, if he has a graduation from a UK University, if he has an influential relative - he simply can't be talented, though his technique, his fitness & performance might defy, but formula doesn't lie.
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MMHS said:
I think he still has weakness against spin. But still, I would have continued with him for few more Tests because

1. He is a lefty - great to have a left-right opening combination
2. He has a very good technique against moving balls - I ave hardly seen him disturbed by pacers. Got out to a swinging ball indeed, but that was a shocker of a decision. I wonder this same umpire gave BoD to Latham against Adil on 1st morning
3. He is among very few PAK players for whom it took 2 absolute beauty to get him out. This guy put value to his wicket & 'll made bowlers to earn him
4. He is a much better rotator than someone like Azar. Always looks for singles & knows his limitations
5. His footwork is better than most PAK batsmen barring YK & may be Asad
6. Tendency to play on ground - only twice he lofted & it cleared the boundary. In fact, I can't recall a single shot in both innings where the ball traveled more than 5 metres in air, unless it was meant to be.
7. He is a brilliant specialist fielder - I see him occupying a vital catching position for years

But, things that impressed me most are
1. His learning curve - just about a couple of days time, he seems to work out a method to survive against spinners. May not be eye catching, but got his job done. His spin play reminds me the old memory of 2 ugly Aussies - who used to start like No. 10 & 11, but knew how to survive & after an hour or two of struggle in the middle, for rest of the match bowling side 'll keep wondering what's going on - Langer & S Waugh.
2. Cricket intelligence - some of the improvisations we very intelligent, like he never tried hit against the spin unless it's a long hop, used the gap intelligently to rotate the strike, stretched his front pad out side line whenever in confusion, used soft hands whenever blocked a ball. This are signs that this guy knows how to survive & very much aware to ways a batsman can get the benefit of 50-50 doubts.

Only talent can't take a batsman to top level. In fact an outstanding talent with poor work ethics & game applications probably 'll end inferior to a less talented but true grit batsman. The Laras, Pontings & Tendulkars had both, but statistically Chanderpaul isn't behind any of them. I can only say that what little I have seen, if he can match Shan in intelligence, work ethics, grit (Value for own wicket) - Umar Akmal has enough talent to play 125+ Tests for PAK, but I don't back him to play even 25. Talent is nothing if the dedication, discipline or application is not there - Shan has lots of those, a perfect foil for Test opener. My only fear is PCB Selectors might play him in ODI for the 2 SIX he hit - 'll be a disaster, just like Taufique Umar 13 years back.
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Bump time - after 50 months, guy is repaying the faith :)
 
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