Shane Warne or Glenn McGrath - Who had more of an impact?

[Ab Fan]

does your linking of mcgrath and asif even makes any sense? 3 boundaries doesn't even mean anything but yeah kp got better of him in 2005 lords and it can happen to anyone & mcgrath got him twice in his last test and won ashes for his team that too when he was probably at his lowest.

Ofcourse not linking them but was stating a point. AB and KP faced McGrath and Steyn(AB faced him in IPL) but rated Asif higher because he was a kind of genius who obviously could do things with ball which not anyone can do.

Ofcourse, not comparing their legacy. Asif's legacy we all are very well aware of.
While McGrath and Steyn, on other hand , are GOAT's without any shadow of doubt.

 

[jeetu]

People don’t rate McGrath because he wasn’t flamboyant, however effectiveness wise he is the best bowler to have ever played the game.. Just because he didn’t do flashy things like Wasim or Waqar or warnie doesn’t mean he didn’t have impact..

Dismissing Sachin or lara > higher impact than dismissing three other useless batsmen..
[MENTION=53377]jeetu[/MENTION]

Can you post a stat of top order wickets taken by McGrath and average vs top order wickets taken by warnie?

Shane Warne
Wickets: 708
Average: 25.42

Top Order (1-3) 163 (23.0%)
Middle Order(4-7) 282 (39.8%)
Tail (8-11) 263 (37.1%)

Glenn McGrath
Wickets: 563
Average: 21.64

Top Order (1-3) 225 (40.0%)
Middle Order(4-7) 196 (34.8%)
Tail (8-11) 142 (25.2%)

 

[big_gamer007]

Shane Warne
Wickets: 708
Average: 25.42

Top Order (1-3) 163 (23.0%)
Middle Order(4-7) 282 (39.8%)
Tail (8-11) 263 (37.1%)

Glenn McGrath
Wickets: 563
Average: 21.64

Top Order (1-3) 225 (40.0%)
Middle Order(4-7) 196 (34.8%)
Tail (8-11) 142 (25.2%)

That should settle it, people will say fast bowlers will take more top order wickets than spinners but that’s what impact is McGrath used to take out the best batsmen so that warnie and others can take out the mediocre ones.. That is impact..

People here don’t rate McGrath because he’s not flashy or they are biased against McGrath for being a better bowler than Wasim..

 

[Savage]

Shane Warne
Wickets: 708
Average: 25.42

Top Order (1-3) 163 (23.0%)
Middle Order(4-7) 282 (39.8%)
Tail (8-11) 263 (37.1%)

Glenn McGrath
Wickets: 563
Average: 21.64

Top Order (1-3) 225 (40.0%)
Middle Order(4-7) 196 (34.8%)
Tail (8-11) 142 (25.2%)

Thanks.

 

[The_Odd_One]

It was actually Warne who benefited from playing with McGrath who almost always did the damage before Warne could even come to bowl.

Warne was a genius but McGrath was the most impactful bowler.

 

[hk031992]

That should settle it, people will say fast bowlers will take more top order wickets than spinners but that’s what impact is McGrath used to take out the best batsmen so that warnie and others can take out the mediocre ones.. That is impact..

People here don’t rate McGrath because he’s not flashy or they are biased against McGrath for being a better bowler than Wasim..

Lol

Its mainly Indian fans who overrate McGrath as a way to put down Wasim

McGrath was not a better test bowler than Akram. He had a much better team and much better fielders. Wasim gave great performances vs the WI of the 1980's- arguably the greatest test team ever. McGrath was merely good vs SA, the second best team of his era and a team nowhere near 1980's WI caliber.

In ODI's, Wasim was again better. In McGrath's entire odi career, especially during big world cup games, he showed a lack of ability to single handedly turn things around when Aus were in trouble. McGrath could only dream of a performance like Wasim's in the 1992 final.

Don't get me wrong, McGrath was an ATG bowler. In my life, i would rank him behind Ambrose, Wasim and Steyn among test bowlers and on par with Donald. Great bowler. He gets somewhat underrated by some Pakistani fans due to not being flashy. He gets massively overrated by many Indian fans who refuse to look at his limitations.

 

[King_Kohli]

On this day in 2005, Shane Warne picked landmark 600th wicket in Test cricket

He achieved the feat in the third Test of the 2005 Ashes against England at Emirates Old Trafford in Manchester.

NEW DELHI: It was on this day, 16 years ago, when former Australia spinner Shane Warne registered his 600th scalp in the longest format of the game.

He achieved the feat in the third Test of the 2005 Ashes against England at Emirates Old Trafford in Manchester.

Warne picked up his 600th wicket in Tests by dismissing England's Marcus Trescothick on the first day of the third Test. In the first innings, Warne managed to take four wickets and he ended up with th figures of 4-99 as England was bowled out for 444.

Australia was then bowled out for 302 and it was Warne who starred with the bat as he played a knock of 90, but his innings couldn't save the visitors from handing a 142-run lead.

England in the second innings, then declared at 280/6, setting Australia a target of 423. On the final day of the match, Australia skipper Ricky Ponting played a knock of 156 runs as the side managed to scrap away with a draw.

The 2005 Ashes is still remembered as one of the best Test series ever, and in that five-match series, England had managed to regain the urn after defeating Australia 2-1.

Warne had an impeccable record in the Ashes as he picked up 195 wickets from just 36 matches and this is also the world record for the most wickets against an opponent in Tests.

The spinner is the second-highest wicket-taker in Test cricket as he finished his career with 708 scalps, only behind Muttiah Muralitharan.

He also played 194 ODIs for Australia and finished his career in the 50-over format with 293 wickets. He was a crucial member of the Australian 1999 World Cup final squad as he took 20 wickets in the tournament.

In the final against Pakistan, Warne managed to take four wickets and finished with figures of 4-33. It remains the best bowling figures for a spinner in any World Cup final.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/cricket/2021/aug/11/on-this-day-in-2005-shanewarne-picked-landmark600th-wicketin-test-cricket-2343234.html

 

[sweep_shot]

Both were impactful.

But, if I have to pick one, I pick McGrath.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Lol

Its mainly Indian fans who overrate McGrath as a way to put down Wasim

McGrath was not a better test bowler than Akram. He had a much better team and much better fielders. Wasim gave great performances vs the WI of the 1980's- arguably the greatest test team ever. McGrath was merely good vs SA, the second best team of his era and a team nowhere near 1980's WI caliber.

In ODI's, Wasim was again better. In McGrath's entire odi career, especially during big world cup games, he showed a lack of ability to single handedly turn things around when Aus were in trouble. McGrath could only dream of a performance like Wasim's in the 1992 final.

Don't get me wrong, McGrath was an ATG bowler. In my life, i would rank him behind Ambrose, Wasim and Steyn among test bowlers and on par with Donald. Great bowler. He gets somewhat underrated by some Pakistani fans due to not being flashy. He gets massively overrated by many Indian fans who refuse to look at his limitations.

McGrath was a better bowler than Wasim. Wasim is an ATG no doubt, but McGrath won battles most of the time against Sachin & Lara. Even during world cup matches McGrath always nailed them compare to Wasim where he was handled easily by little master.

 

[volcyz]

If Mcgrath didnt get injured before the 2nd test in the 2005 Ashes

England wouldve lost as usual

 

[Rana]

Shane Warne was the ultimate match winner

 

[Ab Fan]

McGrath.

Warne didn't troubled India much.

 

[Jazx]

Warne was more impactfull during early 90s. But from late 90s onwards McGrath took over to a different level.

 

[hk031992]

McGrath was a better bowler than Wasim. Wasim is an ATG no doubt, but McGrath won battles most of the time against Sachin & Lara. Even during world cup matches McGrath always nailed them compare to Wasim where he was handled easily by little master.

When was Akram handled by Tendulkar? If it wasn't for inept fielding, Akram would have gotten Tendulkar out early in 03. And this was peak Tendulkar vs an old diabetic Wasim.

You listed McGraths battles vs Tendulkar and Lara but completely ignored my point: whenever Aus was in trouble in world cups, McGrath never, not even once, turned the game around. Warne did it in 1999 Semi final vs SA, Lee in 2003 vs England and Sri Lanka etc. McGrath's inability to produce something extraordinary in times of trouble counts against him.

The ability to single hanedly turn a game around matters. McGrath was too predictable to do this.

 

[someone21]

Mcgrath played in an era where batsman feared bowlers. He would have worse figures this decade.

Warne was a spinner so always was targeted. Yet, he rose and more youngsters aspire to be Warne than Mcgrath. Actually, rarely will be upcoming fast bowler want to emulate Mcgrath

 

[James]

Shane Warne.

He had more of a psychological impact, and for a Test match spinner with an entirely unquestioned bowling action to average 25 runs per wicket across a long career is incredible.

 

[b.lesner]

Spin legend Shane Warne turns 52 today. He is one of the greatest cricketers to have ever played the game. The legspinner redefined the art of spin bowling throughout his storied career.

Warne, the proud holder of the one who bowled that ‘delivery of the century’ to Mike Gatting, was a part of a rare breed of leg-spinners who could generate tremendous spin from the surface along with being accurate in line and length.

His best performance in Test came against Australia’s arch-rivals England. Playing in the first Test of England tour of Australia, Warne picked a total of 11 wickets to help Australia emerge victorious by a whopping 184 runs. England ended up losing the Ashes opener as they were hit by a Warne storm in the second innings.

The visiting batters were already set with a mammoth task of total of 500-plis.

Warne triggered a collapse by sending as many as eight English batters back to the pavilion. And rightly took Man of the Match Award for his scintillating performance.

7/23 vs Pakistan, Brisbane, 1995

Australia had a blistering start to the three-match Test series against Pakistan in 1995, courtesy of Warne. The former Australian skipper dismissed wiped out the Pakistan top-order and middle-order to restrict them at a paltry score of 97 in second innings.

While picking seven wickets, Warne gave just 23 runs in 16.1 overs. He also played a part in stopping Pakistan at 240 in their second batting innings by picking a four-wicket haul.

7/52 vs West Indies, Melbourne, 1992

Warne delivered one of his memorable spells in the last innings of the second Test match between Australia and West Indies in 1992. The visitors were due to score a massive 358 runs in the last innings to secure a win.

However, the fourth innings didn’t go as per the plan for them as Warne managed ran through their line-up. He finished with figures of 23.2-8-52-7 to steer Australia to a victory by 139 runs.

5/33 vs West Indies, Sydney, 1996

Warne produced the best figures of his One-day career during an ODI match against West Indies in 1996 at the Sydney Cricket Ground. Batting first, WI ended up with a score of 161 in 50 overs.

The major credit for the same goes to the Australian as he picked up a five-wicket haul. The spinner gave away just 33 runs in his 9.3 overs at an economy of 3.55.

4/19 vs New Zealand, Melbourne, 1993

Warne tore apart the New Zealand batting line-up. The tourists were set to chase a target of 203 in 50 overs. And they suffered an annihilation in the second innings as Warne produced a magical performance.

The Australian spinner picked as many as four scalps while giving just 19 runs. The exploits by Warne helped Australia in clinching a nail-biting thriller by just three runs.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Mcgrath played in an era where batsman feared bowlers. He would have worse figures this decade.

Warne was a spinner so always was targeted. Yet, he rose and more youngsters aspire to be Warne than Mcgrath. Actually, rarely will be upcoming fast bowler want to emulate Mcgrath

Mcgrath played in the 2000s which statistically was the best batting period of modern history. Pitches were flat compared to the recent decade where pitches all around the world became spicy.

Also I doubt batsmen like Tendulkar, Lara, Kallis, Sangakkara, KP, Dravid, Shewag, Inzamam, Yousuf, AB feared bowling that much. Test match run rates were higher back then compared to now where teams hardly score above 3.

 

[gazza619]

Easy one. Its McGrath.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

When was Akram handled by Tendulkar? If it wasn't for inept fielding, Akram would have gotten Tendulkar out early in 03. And this was peak Tendulkar vs an old diabetic Wasim.

You listed McGraths battles vs Tendulkar and Lara but completely ignored my point: whenever Aus was in trouble in world cups, McGrath never, not even once, turned the game around. Warne did it in 1999 Semi final vs SA, Lee in 2003 vs England and Sri Lanka etc. McGrath's inability to produce something extraordinary in times of trouble counts against him.

The ability to single hanedly turn a game around matters. McGrath was too predictable to do this.

Mcgrath obliterated SA top order in 07 Semifinal(MOM). Was awarded the best player of the tournament also.
Picked up a fifer in a do or die match against WI in 99(MOM).
Picked up Tendulkar in 99 & 03 in the first over of the game.
Had a figure of 12-2 in 10 overs in 99 final chocking the Pak top order and laying the foundation for Warne to do his magic.

He was the most successful cricketer of all time. Australia didnt lose a single home test with Mcgrath for nine years. He also probably had the greatest farewell in cricket by retiring with winning the ashes 5-0 and then winning the WC where he was player of the tournament.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Shane

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

looks interesting.Worth a watch i guess.

 

[zulfiqar]

"Impact" is subjective and the OP did not elaborate, so I assumed "impact... on the team's success", in which case I did not hesitate to vote for McGrath - for reasons already stated in this thread. His success against the best batsmen of his time, % of top order wickets, and the sheer fear you could sense in openers and top-order batsmen around the world made him the most feared bowler in the world. Arguably he made Warne's job easier more so than the other way around - though surely both benefited from each other.

If the idea instead was "who had more of an impact on the sport of cricket?" then I will pick Shane Warne - with the same lack of hesitation I chose McGrath for the first answer. The reason being that there had been many great fast bowlers during McGrath's career and many more who came before him (though very few after him with the exception of Steyn - though Cummins might have say something to say about this yet). But there is only one name in the greatest ever legspin bowler of all time category and that is Shane Warne. He was also a larger-than-life personality and surely more popular than McGrath as well. More people would've tuned in to watch Warne bowl than McGrath, and he made legspin bowling look so artistic and attractive.

 

[James]

looks interesting.Worth a watch i guess.

Without a doubt !