Sheltered Lives: British Pakistanis?

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This was a comment I read from a prolific hindutva poster here, and because it was off topic, the comment was removed once I questioned him about it. but I do see a lot of barbs directed at British Pakistanis around this topic so it is surely worthy of discussion.

How do we live sheltered lives as opposed to where you live?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

[MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION], any thoughts?

 

[kumjsr]

Most of the Indians and Pakistanis who take a dig at Brit Pakistanis would happily exchange places with later.

 

[Major]

Shielded from the corruption, nepotism, economical injustice that third world country people suffer. And than have tha audacity to questionn who we vote.

Going on about that inflation is a worldwide problem, but not understanding that minimum salary approved by govt is 17k, and in reality some people are paid as low as 12-15k a month. Thus, while you lot live in sheltered lives, you expect pakistanis to bare inflation with a 15k salary.

One weeks work in uk buys you your grocery needs for a month. In pakistan a months salary is equal to the lowest house rent.
Bills, traveling, groceries and other needs cant be fulfilled. We dont even have public transport.

So yes you live a sheltered life, and no one bashes you for it. Anyone would take that. You are bashed for that only when you make judgemental comments on local pakistanis by questioning their voting, calling them uneducated or making claims that they get sold for cash or biryani. When judgemental comments are passed, that the obvious response would be whay do you know about living in this country

 

[RajBan]

This was a comment I read from a prolific hindutva poster here, and because it was off topic, the comment was removed once I questioned him about it. but I do see a lot of barbs directed at British Pakistanis around this topic so it is surely worthy of discussion.

How do we live sheltered lives as opposed to where you live?

What is sheltered life. Probably I am missing the context.

 

[Local.Dada]

^ Lol exactly my thoughts.

I think he means why do people think British Pakistanis live in a bubble compared to other ethnicities or minorities?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

^ Lol exactly my thoughts.

I think he means why do people think British Pakistanis live in a bubble compared to other ethnicities or minorities?

How do we live in a bubble compared to other ethnicities or minorities? This is what I wanted to address actually, lots of Indian posters seem to have a beef with British Pakistanis and I would like to understand why.

 

[Local.Dada]

How do we live in a bubble compared to other ethnicities or minorities? This is what I wanted to address actually, lots of Indian posters seem to have a beef with British Pakistanis and I would like to understand why.

I wouldn’t read much into online beefs.

As far as banter, confrontation, snarky comments etc are you really that naive that you are asking why some British Pakistani posters such as yourself get such responses from Indians on this forum?. I don’t think so.

It is that simple.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I wouldn’t read much into online beefs.

As far as banter, confrontation, snarky comments etc are you really that naive that you are asking why some British Pakistani posters such as yourself get such responses from Indians on this forum?. I don’t think so.

It is that simple.

So you still didn't answer the question, how do British Pakistanis live sheltered lives/ in a bubble, both comments you have made, so you must have some reason for making them. Please share.

 

[jeetu]

I have been in this forum for over 10 years. But i use to chat with lots of Pakistani people during Yahoo messenger days. From what i have seen most of crazies (hate mongers) live outside of Pakistan. Their hate for India far exceed their love for Pakistan. These crazies would prefer Ind-Pak to annihilate each other over Nuclear war.

People living in Pakistan are much nicer in general and seems quite likable.

 

[Syed1]

Shielded from the corruption, nepotism, economical injustice that third world country people suffer.

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]
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[MENTION=146141]Hermoine Green[/MENTION]


Isn't he the same poster who supports PPP, Billoo Rani and daddy 10% all of whom are symbols of corruption, nepotism and economical injustice

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have been in this forum for over 10 years. But i use to chat with lots of Pakistani people during Yahoo messenger days. From what i have seen most of crazies (hate mongers) live outside of Pakistan. Their hate for India far exceed their love for Pakistan. These crazies would prefer Ind-Pak to annihilate each other over Nuclear war.

People living in Pakistan are much nicer in general and seems quite likable.

I would agree with you actually, Pakistanis are very nice people in general, mostly friendly and very warm hearted. Why do you think those who live outside are crazy and filled with hate?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Shielded from the corruption, nepotism, economical injustice that third world country people suffer. And than have tha audacity to questionn who we vote.

Going on about that inflation is a worldwide problem, but not understanding that minimum salary approved by govt is 17k, and in reality some people are paid as low as 12-15k a month. Thus, while you lot live in sheltered lives, you expect pakistanis to bare inflation with a 15k salary.

One weeks work in uk buys you your grocery needs for a month. In pakistan a months salary is equal to the lowest house rent.
Bills, traveling, groceries and other needs cant be fulfilled. We dont even have public transport.

So yes you live a sheltered life, and no one bashes you for it. Anyone would take that. You are bashed for that only when you make judgemental comments on local pakistanis by questioning their voting, calling them uneducated or making claims that they get sold for cash or biryani. When judgemental comments are passed, that the obvious response would be whay do you know about living in this country

I mean if Pakistani’s were voting for the right people then the country wouldn’t be a sh!thole 70 years after independence.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Shielded from the corruption, nepotism, economical injustice that third world country people suffer. And than have tha audacity to questionn who we vote.

Going on about that inflation is a worldwide problem, but not understanding that minimum salary approved by govt is 17k, and in reality some people are paid as low as 12-15k a month. Thus, while you lot live in sheltered lives, you expect pakistanis to bare inflation with a 15k salary.

One weeks work in uk buys you your grocery needs for a month. In pakistan a months salary is equal to the lowest house rent.
Bills, traveling, groceries and other needs cant be fulfilled. We dont even have public transport.

So yes you live a sheltered life, and no one bashes you for it. Anyone would take that. You are bashed for that only when you make judgemental comments on local pakistanis by questioning their voting, calling them uneducated or making claims that they get sold for cash or biryani. When judgemental comments are passed, that the obvious response would be whay do you know about living in this country

Personally I don't care who you vote for, seems to me you admire the type of politicians who are champions of corruption with low standards so that's your business not mine. I like Imran Khan, you like Mr 10% and maybe Sher of Punjab.

It's not really what this thread is about though, not living in a corrupt third world country isn't a Pakistani privelege, everyone in Britain lives the same life.

 

[jeetu]

I would agree with you actually, Pakistanis are very nice people in general, mostly friendly and very warm hearted. Why do you think those who live outside are crazy and filled with hate?

Its very hard to know why. My best guess its a weird god complex and also trying to preserve to being closer to their roots and in turn gets more extreme in their line of thinking.

The real funny thing this issue is not a Pakistani only issue, i have seen Indian affected by same issue. Being anti-neighbor seems to self validate them. Quite a lot of Non resident Indians (including some in my family) have similar mindset. For example my uncle went to live US at 80 years to live with his son. When he was in India he barely use to talk politics. Now after few years in US his thinking process has totally changed. His views have gone quite extreme.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

The overseas Pakistani’s get hate because pseudo liberals in Pakistan think you have to live in Pakistan if you truly “love” the country.


The fact is, British Pakistani’s like myself go to Pakistan and we see how our people live without gas, electricity, water, shelter and how kids are forced into child labour and are seen scavenging through kachra. It’s not what we see in Britain and that’s why we don’t want to see it in Pakistan. All we want is Pakistani’s to have the basic necessities which most people in Sindh don’t have.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Its very hard to know why. My best guess its a weird god complex and also trying to preserve to being closer to their roots and in turn gets more extreme in their line of thinking.

The real funny thing this issue is not a Pakistani only issue, i have seen Indian affected by same issue. Being anti-neighbor seems to self validate them. Quite a lot of Non resident Indians (including some in my family) have similar mindset. For example my uncle went to live US at 80 years to live with his son. When he was in India he barely use to talk politics. Now after few years in US his thinking process has totally changed. His views have gone quite extreme.

So overseas Indians also lead sheltered lives I presume. I'm just trying to get where this is coming from, because in my experience, British Pakistanis don't lead sheltered lives, although you could argue that some of the younger generation maybe do. If anything British Indians lead far more sheltered lives.

 

[Technics 1210]

The overseas Pakistani’s get hate because pseudo liberals in Pakistan think you have to live in Pakistan if you truly “love” the country.


The fact is, British Pakistani’s like myself go to Pakistan and we see how our people live without gas, electricity, water, shelter and how kids are forced into child labour and are seen scavenging through kachra. It’s not what we see in Britain and that’s why we don’t want to see it in Pakistan. All we want is Pakistani’s to have the basic necessities which most people in Sindh don’t have.

Very true.

What many do not realise is the points you've mentioned on Gas, Electricity, Water, Child Labour, and Scavenger were very much prominent in UK, until post WW2.

It all changed through systematic taxation, so my question to those who view Brit Paks with rose tinted glasses is, do you pay your taxes in Pakistan?

 

[jeetu]

So overseas Indians also lead sheltered lives I presume. I'm just trying to get where this is coming from, because in my experience, British Pakistanis don't lead sheltered lives, although you could argue that some of the younger generation maybe do. If anything British Indians lead far more sheltered lives.

The generation above you (late 60's to early 70's) were mostly first generation immigrants. They had to work hard to establish their identity. The highly educated ones among them rose quite quickly despite odds. So their offspring's led quite a sheltered life. I agree that British Indians lead more sheltered life in comparison.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Second generation British Pakistanis generally do live more sheltered lives than those in Pakistan. We are not exposed to the same lack of resources, competition and barely semi functional resources that come as part of living in a third world country.

In general we are also very quick to pass judgement, and the behaviour of many brit-paks ( or overseas Pakistanis) is often patronising and ignorant of the ground realities.

We are also generally "sheltered" from the harsh fact of life most Pakistanis face.

I have seen some posters having a go at [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] but he is quite right in what he says ( at times).

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How do we live in a bubble compared to other ethnicities or minorities? This is what I wanted to address actually, lots of Indian posters seem to have a beef with British Pakistanis and I would like to understand why.

Its just a way to hide their prejudice against Pakistanis in general.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Its very hard to know why. My best guess its a weird god complex and also trying to preserve to being closer to their roots and in turn gets more extreme in their line of thinking.

The real funny thing this issue is not a Pakistani only issue, i have seen Indian affected by same issue. Being anti-neighbor seems to self validate them. Quite a lot of Non resident Indians (including some in my family) have similar mindset. For example my uncle went to live US at 80 years to live with his son. When he was in India he barely use to talk politics. Now after few years in US his thinking process has totally changed. His views have gone quite extreme.

Do you think when Modi and his BJP acolytes make anti-Pakistan speeches they are targeting American indians like your uncle or Indians at home?

It's quite clear that hatred of Pakistan infects Indians whether they are at home or abroad. It is built in their DNA from a young age by hate preaching politicians.

I do agree partially with your wider point. On this site it seems that the majority of anti-Pakistani posters are from areas that a typical Pakistani would not be able to point on a map. We have people from Assam spewing and Bengal spewing hatred 24/7 on these forums. Perhaps it is also a form of self validation because they are so far from the centre and what is regarded by most non Indians as the core of India.

 

[Technics 1210]

Bottom line - if you have money then you will live a sheltered life regardless of nationality and regardless of which country you live in.

 

[jeetu]

Do you think when Modi and his BJP acolytes make anti-Pakistan speeches they are targeting American indians like your uncle or Indians at home?

It's quite clear that hatred of Pakistan infects Indians whether they are at home or abroad. It is built in their DNA from a young age by hate preaching politicians.

I do agree partially with your wider point. On this site it seems that the majority of anti-Pakistani posters are from areas that a typical Pakistani would not be able to point on a map. We have people from Assam spewing and Bengal spewing hatred 24/7 on these forums. Perhaps it is also a form of self validation because they are so far from the centre and what is regarded by most non Indians as the core of India.

I don't think Modi etc is strong enough to convert the mindset. My uncle doesn't even like Modi he is still pro congress guy. Its just that loads of free time etc changes thinking. He now mostly advises on what a ideal Indian should do. He thinks he is better Indian now.
Desi genes are weird that way. Very rarely you will Second/Third generation British desi to support England if they are playing against Ind-Pak. Despite living in England for their whole life they will cheer for the country they barely want to visit.

Regarding the third part as a guy from Delhi i can understand majority of Pakistani people (Punjabi , Urdu language) far easily than majority of Indians. Since i could communicate easily i found more common ground. Bengal do have some bad blood against Pakistan so that hatred i can understand. For Assam people to hate Pakistan i agree with your reason.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Second generation British Pakistanis generally do live more sheltered lives than those in Pakistan. We are not exposed to the same lack of resources, competition and barely semi functional resources that come as part of living in a third world country.

In general we are also very quick to pass judgement, and the behaviour of many brit-paks ( or overseas Pakistanis) is often patronising and ignorant of the ground realities.

We are also generally "sheltered" from the harsh fact of life most Pakistanis face.

I have seen some posters having a go at [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] but he is quite right in what he says ( at times).

All Brits live more sheltered lives than in Pakistan. That's not exclusive to British Pakistanis. It seems to be a strange take on things. It's like saying British black people live more sheltered lives than they would in Africa.

 

[Bewal Express]

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Isn't he the same poster who supports PPP, Billoo Rani and daddy 10% all of whom are symbols of corruption, nepotism and economical injustice

I will give the man a bit of slack and say he didn't understand what he was posting. He was enjoying his beloved PPP bribing people and stealing off the poor and then talks about PK being corrupt. It's quite funny when people don't understand their own posts

 

[DRsohail]

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Isn't he the same poster who supports PPP, Billoo Rani and daddy 10% all of whom are symbols of corruption, nepotism and economical injustice

Leave major SB ..he can say whatever he wants.

 

[Saj]

Nothing sheltered at all.

Many British Pakistanis have worked hard to live comfortably in the UK, as did their ancestors.

Sadly a minority of idiots are doing their best to tarnish that reputation of honest, hard-working people.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Nothing sheltered at all.

Many British Pakistanis have worked hard to live comfortably in the UK, as did their ancestors.

Sadly a minority of idiots are doing their best to tarnish that reputation of honest, hard-working people.

It was actually an Indian poster who claimed British Pakistanis led sheltered lives, I don't think he meant it in the way we would normally think. I believe he was really alluding to failure to integrate, and since being asked in what way, he has suddenly disappeared.
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]'s interjection was a sidetrack on his own issues living in Pakistan and thinking the west is a gravy train.

 

[Saj]

It was actually an Indian poster who claimed British Pakistanis led sheltered lives, I don't think he meant it in the way we would normally think. I believe he was really alluding to failure to integrate, and since being asked in what way, he has suddenly disappeared.
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]'s interjection was a sidetrack on his own issues living in Pakistan and thinking the west is a gravy train.

I think many Pakistan based Pakistanis do see the UK as a gravy train and the phrase money grows on trees springs to mind.

The failure to integrate - yes it is an issue in some areas of the UK especially in some cities.

 

[TSA321]

We were overdue a thread on British Pakistanis, haven't seen one in maybe 3 years.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We were overdue a thread on British Pakistanis, haven't seen one in maybe 3 years.

What is interesting is that those who keep harping on about British Pakistanis leading sheltered lives suddenly go quiet when they are called out on it. The same ones who think we have imposed Sharia law in England maybe.

 

[Salma_T]

Bottom line - if you have money then you will live a sheltered life regardless of nationality and regardless of which country you live in.

Spot on!

 

[KingKhanWC]

It was actually an Indian poster who claimed British Pakistanis led sheltered lives, I don't think he meant it in the way we would normally think. I believe he was really alluding to failure to integrate, and since being asked in what way, he has suddenly disappeared.
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]'s interjection was a sidetrack on his own issues living in Pakistan and thinking the west is a gravy train.

We are not living in Hindutva India for us to integrate or more accuratley to live how they wish us to live.

In the UK you dont need to integrate, go church on Sunday or celebrate Xmas if wish not too. As long as you obey the law of the land, you are free to live as you please.

India's population would dwindle down to 1000 if all Indians could move to any western nation of their choice but once arriving they will integrate like Southall has integrated.

 

[ElRaja]

i spent my early childhood in pak, and there is no comparision, life in 90s pakistan was crazy sheltered, id never seen weapons before, id never seen people being physically bullied in school, i hadnt seen kids without parents living "in the system", i hadnt seen drug dealing in schools, i was unaware of mental illnesses, and i hadnt seen teenage pimps or even know what they were.

i dont know about pakistan now, but i had a great childhood in 90s Pakistan, and yes i knew about the electricity not always being there, or beggars on the street, or corruption, but in terms of the sharp and pointy side of growing up, I was extremely sheltered.

no idea if thats what [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] was getting at

 

[KingKhanWC]

i spent my early childhood in pak, and there is no comparision, life in 90s pakistan was crazy sheltered, id never seen weapons before, id never seen people being physically bullied in school, i hadnt seen kids without parents living "in the system", i hadnt seen drug dealing in schools, i was unaware of mental illnesses, and i hadnt seen teenage pimps or even know what they were.

i dont know about pakistan now, but i had a great childhood in 90s Pakistan, and yes i knew about the electricity not always being there, or beggars on the street, or corruption, but in terms of the sharp and pointy side of growing up, I was extremely sheltered.

no idea if thats what [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] was getting at

Isnt it natural for parents to shelter their children?

In the 90's when I was a kid too, you could go out all day in the summer and you were safe. The police were helpful, the community took care of each other, crime was lower etc. There was the odd racist but overall a safe & friendly envornment. I dobut the same parents would be so relaxed today letting their kids out.

 

[Major]

It was actually an Indian poster who claimed British Pakistanis led sheltered lives, I don't think he meant it in the way we would normally think. I believe he was really alluding to failure to integrate, and since being asked in what way, he has suddenly disappeared.
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]'s interjection was a sidetrack on his own issues living in Pakistan and thinking the west is a gravy train.

As usual you making your assumptions.

Khair, there is no point in arguing with someone who never had to deal with the issues local pakistanis had to.

Anyone would take a sheltered life, but after taking one no need to give opinions or look down at the others.

 

[KingKhanWC]

As usual you making your assumptions.

Khair, there is no point in arguing with someone who never had to deal with the issues local pakistanis had to.

Anyone would take a sheltered life, but after taking one no need to give opinions or look down at the others.

Care to list these at all?

 

[ElRaja]

Isnt it natural for parents to shelter their children?

In the 90's when I was a kid too, you could go out all day in the summer and you were safe. The police were helpful, the community took care of each other, crime was lower etc. There was the odd racist but overall a safe & friendly envornment. I dobut the same parents would be so relaxed today letting their kids out.

its crazy to think but i moved here basically in 2000, and i loved "my ends", the shop keepers knew u, waved at u, the bus drivers would stop in the middle of the street if they saw u to let u on, the snooker places used to run us out because we were truanting, but even then they'd laugh and joke abt it cos they knew we werent bad kids. it was considered a really bad place, but the vast majority of my memories are positive.

maybe its a tangential rant, but i think lack of social media forced people to look for real people to hang out with, so even if everyone was different, ethnically, socially, economically, u were forced to be friends if u didn't wanna be alone.

 

[James]

Isnt it natural for parents to shelter their children?

In the 90's when I was a kid too, you could go out all day in the summer and you were safe. The police were helpful, the community took care of each other, crime was lower etc. There was the odd racist but overall a safe & friendly envornment. I dobut the same parents would be so relaxed today letting their kids out.

The “safeguarding” and frankly the paranoia has gone totally overboard with children. At birthday parties when I was growing up my mum would just drop me off, trust the parents running the party, then would go and do her thing & pick me up 4-5 hours later in the evening. Now all the parents have to stay for the whole birthday party and “mix” with each other. I’ve got to do it next month and am already dreading it.

 

[jeetu]

It was actually an Indian poster who claimed British Pakistanis led sheltered lives, I don't think he meant it in the way we would normally think. I believe he was really alluding to failure to integrate, and since being asked in what way, he has suddenly disappeared.
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]'s interjection was a sidetrack on his own issues living in Pakistan and thinking the west is a gravy train.

I observered that its not restricted to only British Pakistani , i found similar case in British Indians as well. And its not restricted to British even in countries like US etc same effect is observed by me. They seem to have chip on their shoulder.
People living in India/Pakistan seems far more down to earth.

Its not really failure to integrate , its selective integration which for some people takes worst of both western and desi culture. These selective people gets extreme views and give others bad name.

 

[Local.Dada]

I observered that its not restricted to only British Pakistani , i found similar case in British Indians as well. And its not restricted to British even in countries like US etc same effect is observed by me. They seem to have chip on their shoulder.
People living in India/Pakistan seems far more down to earth.

Its not really failure to integrate , its selective integration which for some people takes worst of both western and desi culture. These selective people gets extreme views and give others bad name.

The elephant in the room that may touch a nerve is some Pakistanis of British and European origin have been accused of terrorist activities. Keywords “some” and “accused” so go easy. These are undeniable facts.

Don’t hear such things about Pakistanis in Middle East or USA/ Canada.

Sure there might be some crimes committed by people of Indian/Pakistani origin but a thin line between a crime and a terrorist activity.

Maybe British Pakistanis should address the problem why this happens rather then shoot the messenger and start being confrontational.

As recent as this year we saw a British Pakistani caught in USA of all places for a terror activity.

Why are they open to this radicalization is the question.

There isn’t anything islamophobic about it. It is a problem that exists. It doesn’t reflect all Islam but it is what it is.

Now a kid in the west throwing a tantrum for not getting a video game for birthday while a kid in villages in India/ Pak are perfectly happy playing with a punctured tyre and stones is also disparity and shows how far the disconnect can be.

That is just a part of being in a bubble but since this thread is about British Pakistanis, the big issue is why radicalization is happening.

It’s not the same as some Indian keyboard warrior praising Modi or RSS on social media. Keyboard warriors come in all colors and nationalities. It is the radicalization that causes nuisance and terror that is a problem.

 

[JaDed]

I have to agree with [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION] though, personally I felt i lived a sheltered life growing up in India in 1990s-2000s but probably because I was in a city. Now some of the things I read and hear from my friends about Public schools here in US , I do get shocked.

 

[Technics 1210]

The elephant in the room that may touch a nerve is some Pakistanis of British and European origin have been accused of terrorist activities. Keywords “some” and “accused” so go easy. These are undeniable facts.

Don’t hear such things about Pakistanis in Middle East or USA/ Canada.

Sure there might be some crimes committed by people of Indian/Pakistani origin but a thin line between a crime and a terrorist activity.

Maybe British Pakistanis should address the problem why this happens rather then shoot the messenger and start being confrontational.

As recent as this year we saw a British Pakistani caught in USA of all places for a terror activity.

Why are they open to this radicalization is the question.

There isn’t anything islamophobic about it. It is a problem that exists. It doesn’t reflect all Islam but it is what it is.

Now a kid in the west throwing a tantrum for not getting a video game for birthday while a kid in villages in India/ Pak are perfectly happy playing with a punctured tyre and stones is also disparity and shows how far the disconnect can be.

That is just a part of being in a bubble but since this thread is about British Pakistanis, the big issue is why radicalization is happening.

It’s not the same as some Indian keyboard warrior praising Modi or RSS on social media. Keyboard warriors come in all colors and nationalities. It is the radicalization that causes nuisance and terror that is a problem.

No. The elephant in the room is jealousy.

Many Indians and Pakistanis would sell their left kidney for the Western world. Whether to escape the realities of 'incredible' India, or hyper inflated Pakistan.

Has sod all to do with terrorism.

 

[Saj]

The elephant in the room that may touch a nerve is some Pakistanis of British and European origin have been accused of terrorist activities. Keywords “some” and “accused” so go easy. These are undeniable facts.

Don’t hear such things about Pakistanis in Middle East or USA/ Canada.

Research the number of Asians executed in places like Saudi Arabia or in prisons in places such as UAE.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The elephant in the room that may touch a nerve is some Pakistanis of British and European origin have been accused of terrorist activities. Keywords “some” and “accused” so go easy. These are undeniable facts.

Don’t hear such things about Pakistanis in Middle East or USA/ Canada.

Sure there might be some crimes committed by people of Indian/Pakistani origin but a thin line between a crime and a terrorist activity.

Maybe British Pakistanis should address the problem why this happens rather then shoot the messenger and start being confrontational.

As recent as this year we saw a British Pakistani caught in USA of all places for a terror activity.

Why are they open to this radicalization is the question.

There isn’t anything islamophobic about it. It is a problem that exists. It doesn’t reflect all Islam but it is what it is.

Now a kid in the west throwing a tantrum for not getting a video game for birthday while a kid in villages in India/ Pak are perfectly happy playing with a punctured tyre and stones is also disparity and shows how far the disconnect can be.

That is just a part of being in a bubble but since this thread is about British Pakistanis, the big issue is why radicalization is happening.

It’s not the same as some Indian keyboard warrior praising Modi or RSS on social media. Keyboard warriors come in all colors and nationalities. It is the radicalization that causes nuisance and terror that is a problem.

So what does that have to do with living sheltered lives? You seem to be talking about a fringe minority who become radicalised, but I don't really see the link. You have some members of every community who become extremists, is this all connected to living a sheltered life?

 

[IMMY69]

The elephant in the room that may touch a nerve is some Pakistanis of British and European origin have been accused of terrorist activities. Keywords “some” and “accused” so go easy. These are undeniable facts.

Don’t hear such things about Pakistanis in Middle East or USA/ Canada.

Sure there might be some crimes committed by people of Indian/Pakistani origin but a thin line between a crime and a terrorist activity.

Maybe British Pakistanis should address the problem why this happens rather then shoot the messenger and start being confrontational.

As recent as this year we saw a British Pakistani caught in USA of all places for a terror activity.

Why are they open to this radicalization is the question.

There isn’t anything islamophobic about it. It is a problem that exists. It doesn’t reflect all Islam but it is what it is.

Now a kid in the west throwing a tantrum for not getting a video game for birthday while a kid in villages in India/ Pak are perfectly happy playing with a punctured tyre and stones is also disparity and shows how far the disconnect can be.

That is just a part of being in a bubble but since this thread is about British Pakistanis, the big issue is why radicalization is happening.

It’s not the same as some Indian keyboard warrior praising Modi or RSS on social media. Keyboard warriors come in all colors and nationalities. It is the radicalization that causes nuisance and terror that is a problem.

Can you name five British convicted terrorists of Pakistani origin?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The guy doesn't even understand what leading sheltered lives means. It's a British term meaning those who are protected from reality by parents or wealthy circumstance. What has that got to do with terrorism I have not that much clue to be honest.

 

[Local.Dada]

It's a British term meaning those who are protected from reality by parents or wealthy circumstance..

I am not caught up on British slang and lingo.

If that’s what you meant then no I don’t think British Pakistanis are “sheltered” at all. There you go. Same page there.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am not caught up on British slang and lingo.

If that’s what you meant then no I don’t think British Pakistanis are “sheltered” at all. There you go. Same page there.

No problem, that ends the confusion and the thread effectively. We can put it to bed and tuck the sheets in.