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Is it time for British Pakistanis to support England over Pakistan in cricket?

NeVerMind said:
And if they were good enough to play at the highest level, which international team would you encourage them to play for?

Pakistan, where you probably need to have the connections at the top level, support the right political party, hope that the selectors are related to you, etc or England, where they will be selected on merit, and once that has happened, will be nurtured and looked after?
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At the highest level, where ever they can.
 
Technics 1210 said:
There are more Pakistanis supporting England than Indians supporting England, it is because Indians cannot get over British rule. Chip on the shoulder.

Most British born Pakistanis have zero problem in supporting England - be it Football, Olympics, Cricket etc.

Indians on the other hand - are forced to support India - even the stateless Indians who are stripped off their citizenship - must support India from the shadows of illegal immigration.

I don't know about you lot, I never stopped supporting England.
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Interesting to hear this. Why is this the case? I want to research more to see if this is entirely accurate.

In a way then, do you support the Lord Tebbit test for British South Asians?
 
Aami said:
At the highest level, where ever they can.
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That wasn't my question...I asked for your preference...would you rather they subject themselves to the circus that is Pakistan cricket which has ruined many careers or evolve in a nurturing, merit based cricket based system that is England ?
 
NeVerMind said:
That wasn't my question...I asked for your preference...would you rather they subject themselves to the circus that is Pakistan cricket which has ruined many careers or evolve in a nurturing, merit based cricket based system that is England ?
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As I said before, which ever teams selects them Im OK with that. If i could find a 'relly' in Zimbabwe ill ask them to have a trial there too. It does not make a difference to me, its their choice.
 
Aami said:
As I said before, which ever teams selects them Im OK with that. If i could find a 'relly' in Zimbabwe ill ask them to have a trial there too. It does not make a difference to me, its their choice.
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Not asking you to go against their choice..like if they got in two private schools and one was known to be chaotic, damaging to the pupils's mental health and did not deliver results in the exams but the other did the opposite, surely you would have a preference for the better one?

Or you would be okay with the former because your parents there when they were young?
 
NeVerMind said:
Not asking you to go against their choice..like if they got in two private schools and one was known to be chaotic, damaging to the pupils's mental health and did not deliver results in the exams but the other did the opposite, surely you would have a preference for the better one?

Or you would be okay with the former because your parents there when they were young?
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Ha ha ... im bored man.
 
Technics 1210 said:
There are more Pakistanis supporting England than Indians supporting England, it is because Indians cannot get over British rule. Chip on the shoulder.

Most British born Pakistanis have zero problem in supporting England - be it Football, Olympics, Cricket etc.

Indians on the other hand - are forced to support India - even the stateless Indians who are stripped off their citizenship - must support India from the shadows of illegal immigration.

I don't know about you lot, I never stopped supporting England.
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Lol no - it’s because we have a team worth supporting, gets to the later stages of tournaments almost always, wins a lot more than it loses, and has amazingly skilled and accomplished players that raise our head in pride.
 
charlie007 said:
Lol no - it’s because we have a team worth supporting, gets to the later stages of tournaments almost always, wins a lot more than it loses, and has amazingly skilled and accomplished players that raise our head in pride.
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Well there are no real British Indians breaking into the English team either...if that was the case, things might be different...
 
RexRex said:
I can understand for first gen and maybe second gen desis, but third generation immigrants have no excuse ... they have to support England !

Cohesion of the country is at stake.
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I think a generation ago this was well on the way. Most of those born from the 90's onwards automatically support England, it was a very inclusive time where most Brits had got used to living in a multicultural world felt part of it. With the rise of the far right across Europe though, I do wonder if this might change. I linked a video here yesterday of some well spoken panellists discussing what makes a true Brit, and it got removed pretty quickly. But deleting videos doesn't mean that people aren't asking those questions.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Most of those born from the 90's onwards automatically support England, it was a very inclusive time where most Brits had got used to living in a multicultural world felt part of it.
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Disagree .. there was no such inclusive time, nor did most Brits really get used to living in a 'multicultural' world. The truth is minority communities were just too miniscule for the majority to notice or be affected by it. Now that the minority numbers have drastically grown in the last two decades, you realise what many of them truly feel. Even the editors of big newspapers are emboldened to say things like this -
 
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RexRex said:
Disagree .. there was no such inclusive time, nor did most Brits really get used to living in a 'multicultural' world. The truth is minority communities were just too miniscule for the majority to notice or be affected by it. Now that the minority numbers have drastically grown in the last two decades, you realise what many of them truly feel. Even the editors of big newspapers are emboldened to say things like this -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1894672563218874458
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Putting aside the multicultural aspect of the argument, I also don't believe British Asians were supporting England in the 90s. I have already posted the example of Sajid Mehmood being called a traitor by British Born Pakistani fans at the Rosebowl towards the late 2000s.

Plus the 90s and early 00s, we had players like Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, Inzy, Saqi, etc. with the x-factor while England had the likes of Naz and Athers (I love them as commies but they were hardly box office).

But now the situation is reversed and it's England that has the superstars including those that have a Pakistani background.
 
Extremely hard to trust a team that has appointed a player like Mohammad Rizwan as their white ball captain.

This in itself is the biggest insult to cricket fans who loved Pakistan cricket due to the brand that was built up through Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Shahid Afridi, Abdul Razzaq, Inzimam ul Haq etc.

Don’t trust the PCB anymore.
 
I have a better idea since most British Pakistanis atleast from PP,
1.Seem to be well versed and eager to discuss more about Indian politics,economy, social issues with so much interest
2. there is a good chance they know who the home minster of Assam or Tripura is than their local ward councilor in Britain or have 0 clue about politics in Pakistan except former PM Imran’s World Cup win
3.since like it or not most have Indian origin

why not support Indian team 😛

Jay Shah bhai will deliver more wins than learns 💯 guarantee 👍
 
RexRex said:
Disagree .. there was no such inclusive time, nor did most Brits really get used to living in a 'multicultural' world. The truth is minority communities were just too miniscule for the majority to notice or be affected by it. Now that the minority numbers have drastically grown in the last two decades, you realise what many of them truly feel. Even the editors of big newspapers are emboldened to say things like this -
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You would only really get to know what most majority Brits would feel living in a less multicultural world by experiencing life before that. What would that have looked like? Maybe a few high streets with greasy spoon cafes serving pie and chips and English breakfast. No pizzas, no Chinese or Indian restaurants. But there would be some Bingo Halls and more pubs would still be open I guess. Would that really be what people want? Have you experienced it personally, because if you have then we can talk.
 
Recent pakistan performance has changed pakistan fans to support other's team.

On Twitter , Aussies Army account used to be a Pakistani cricket fan's account but they changed it

Slowly pakistan fans are finding new team to support which is a not great News for pakistan cricket.

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Recent pakistan performance has changed pakistan fans to support other's team.

On Twitter , Aussies Army account used to be a Pakistani cricket fan's account but they changed it

Slowly pakistan fans are finding new team to support which is a not great News for pakistan cricket.

:kp
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I'm sure we all have a hunch on who runs this account. :junaid
 
LOL. People want others to support different teams when it really is their personal choice. People are frustrated and disappointed with Pakistan for sure but yeah, you can support other team now as Pakistan is out oft he event...LOL
 
BouncerGuy said:
LOL. People want others to support different teams when it really is their personal choice. People are frustrated and disappointed with Pakistan for sure but yeah, you can support other team now as Pakistan is out oft he event...LOL
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Supporting other teams for certain matches are fine as pakistan is already Out of the tournament .

But now slowly Pakistan fans are moving to support other's team just because Pakistan has not win anything in Major ICC tournaments.

One reason is that india had smashed pakistan in recent matches by a huge margin so pakistan fans are under pressure when comes to face the indian fans sp they start supporting England , NZ or Australia so they can make a point against india .


:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Supporting other teams for certain matches are fine as pakistan is already Out of the tournament .

But now slowly Pakistan fans are moving to support other's team just because Pakistan has not win anything in Major ICC tournaments.

One reason is that india had smashed pakistan in recent matches by a huge margin so pakistan fans are under pressure when comes to face the indian fans sp they start supporting England , NZ or Australia so they can make a point against india .


:kp
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From inside their heart, they would still want Pakistan to win games though. Visibly, they would support Australia.
 
Now I think we fans are the real bad luck – whichever team we support ends up performing poorly.
 
Devadwal said:
Supporting other teams for certain matches are fine as pakistan is already Out of the tournament .

But now slowly Pakistan fans are moving to support other's team just because Pakistan has not win anything in Major ICC tournaments.

One reason is that india had smashed pakistan in recent matches by a huge margin so pakistan fans are under pressure when comes to face the indian fans sp they start supporting England , NZ or Australia so they can make a point against india .


:kp
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Talk about missing the point...read the original post as it was aimed at British Born Pakistanis who are seeing their likes break into the international team and doing well...

And if there are any British PPers here who are good enough to play at the highest level one day, they will choose England over Pakistan anyways...
 
NeVerMind said:
Talk about missing the point...read the original post as it was aimed at British Born Pakistanis who are seeing their likes break into the international team and doing well...

And if there are any British PPers here who are good enough to play at the highest level one day, they will choose England over Pakistan anyways...
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My message has already reached where i wanted to send .

:kp
 
BouncerGuy said:
LOL. People want others to support different teams when it really is their personal choice. People are frustrated and disappointed with Pakistan for sure but yeah, you can support other team now as Pakistan is out oft he event...LOL
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The other team is also out now 🤣. Ab kya karein?
 
There are three southern hemisphere teams and only one northern hemisphere teams in this CT now. Hope the people in north of the equator root for their only representative - India. :)
 
Pakistanis and British Pakistanis should start supporting Afghanistan. They play with real jazba and badmashi and naturally better athletes than Brits and Pakistanis anyway :inti
 
Hellion said:
Pakistanis and British Pakistanis should start supporting Afghanistan. They play with real jazba and badmashi and naturally better athletes than Brits and Pakistanis anyway :inti
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Can't after how their fans behaved in Leeds in the 2019 World Cup. Saw them in person, jumping the gates, ripping up chairs and attacking families at Headingley.

I rather sit side by side with Indian fans as there is good banter and goodwill among the two. Afghanis, on the other hand, looking for a fight.
 
One thing is sure if india lose the semi-final/ final then my notifications will loaded with people's tagging me.

:kp
 
Dear British Pakistanis - consider metaphorically crossing the Atlantic and supporting the US cricket team? If the US team continues to perform well, this is what I would do.
 
rickroll said:
Dear British Pakistanis - consider metaphorically crossing the Atlantic and supporting the US cricket team? If the US team continues to perform well, this is what I would do.
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Sorry...no US born Pakistanis in the team, are there?
 
rickroll said:
Dear British Pakistanis - consider metaphorically crossing the Atlantic and supporting the US cricket team? If the US team continues to perform well, this is what I would do.
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I cant support a team with no emotional connection. It's one of the reasons I personally am not a fan of franchise leagues either.
 
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Devadwal said:
One thing is sure if india lose the semi-final/ final then my notifications will loaded with people's tagging me.

:kp
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If you stopped trolling it wouldn't be a problem. Ajeeb log. Cause a commotion and expect a different outcome
 
Mohali 2011 was the seminal moment for me, something flicked in me that day that the childish exuberance and investment that i had in pak cricket died. it was a coming of age of sorts, but i still enjoyed following pak cricket. the second real moment of realisation was the loss to the US in the t20 world champs. the fact that it wasn't surprising hurt the most. i think that's the day i gave up on pak cricket fully, much like hockey, theres no redemption.

i have always enjoyed watching the england team, but ill never replicate the enthusiasm i had as a six or seven year old, creeping out of bed to watch pak playing in aus or new Zealand at some ungodly hour in the morning. i have seen perhaps a total of 10 or 20 overs of pak cricket in the last year. the only connection i have is because my friends support pak, and this forum.

also as u grow older the romance of sport gets replaced by the reality of the business, and having an emotional investment in any sports team or person is logically stupid.
 
Hellion said:
Pakistanis and British Pakistanis should start supporting Afghanistan. They play with real jazba and badmashi and naturally better athletes than Brits and Pakistanis anyway :inti
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i would legit support india against them. never thought id see the day, but it is what it is.
 
rickroll said:
wow bhai! Why may I ask?
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dont wanna derail the thread, but ive met tonnes of people from different background, been to many far flung places, and the only times ive felt uncomfortable, as in feeling implied racism, is from afghans when they find out im Pakistani. the way the cricket team carries itself, and what i know of the cricketers from people who have worked with them, has only reinforced my feelings of, at best, wary ambivalence towards them.
 
mominsaigol said:
If you stopped trolling it wouldn't be a problem. Ajeeb log. Cause a commotion and expect a different outcome
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I'm proudly supporting my beloved Country instead supporting others just because ...

I'll be here regardless indian team losing or winning. I'm not a plastic fan who change the team based on results .

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
I'm proudly supporting my beloved Country instead supporting others just because ...

I'll be here regardless indian team losing or winning. I'm not a plastic fan who change the team based on results .

:kp
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I'm proudly supporting my beloved Country instead supporting others just because ...

Supporting a beloved country is one thing. However mocking others for supporting another, outright abusing others for a certain nationality, or even supporting the banning of certain members like emranabass, or treating others are lesser then yourself for being a certain nationality is a totally different ball game.

No one would care about who you support if thats all you did. Their genuine indian supporters in this forumn who get along with everyone cause all they do is support their own country wothout engaging in feuds with others.
 
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ElRaja said:
dont wanna derail the thread, but ive met tonnes of people from different background, been to many far flung places, and the only times ive felt uncomfortable, as in feeling implied racism, is from afghans when they find out im Pakistani. the way the cricket team carries itself, and what i know of the cricketers from people who have worked with them, has only reinforced my feelings of, at best, wary ambivalence towards them.
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I hear you. I have felt the same from both Afghans and from Arabs.
 
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rickroll said:
I hear you. I have felt the same from both Afghans and from Arabs.
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I've never had an issue with Arabs, ive interacted mostly with Iraqi, Lebanese, Jordanian, or North Africans; they've always been friendly.
 
Bhaijaan said:
British Pakistanis,

Brothers support us in the final.
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