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Shoaib Malik : 18 years of failures, yet is the golden boy today - Drop him or continue to suffer

ahmed16 said:
I'm also happy to know that in your eyes double digit scores are single digit ones.

How many single digit scores btw?
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It's great that you like double digit scores that are nowhere close to a 50. Maybe we need a classification maybe a quarter century
 
Arsal_AK said:
Let's see;

Was doing fine against India till Hafeez ran him out.

Great cameo against SA till the rain came, put us ahead on DL, remained not out.

Had a poor game vs SL.

Not to mention he has been averaging over 50 at a SR of around 95, for the past two years.

Conclusion: Let's drop him, how could he fail in one game ( two if you count India)- especially when we have the likes of Hafeez, Shehzad, Azhar and Immad in the team, who are performing so well.
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Yes. He did win us those series against Australia and England as well. But let's keep him (18 year career) because the other others (< 2 year careers) were rubbish.
 
Sorry guys, but this Malik bashing is really completely against the grain of the facts.. Yes, he failed a lot in the past, but in 2017, average 60+, S/R 90+. Too small a sample size?

OK, last 12 months, average 48, S/R 94. In that time he has scored a 100 and four fifties from no. 5. He has also got two scores in the 40's (one not out).

It really takes a special kind of ignorance to try and claim that these are bad numbers because he got too many not-outs! Unbelievable logic and shows very little cricketing sense.
 
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waleed88 said:
Not neccessarily, it could be he scores 20-30 runs in the final overs of the game, and carries on with a 30 in the next game which makes it look like he scores a 60... when in fact he was just not out the last time
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Not outs are a good thing. Means he finished games, which is his role at no. 5...
 
FreePalestine said:
Sorry guys, but this Malik bashing is really completely against the grain of the facts.. Yes, he failed a lot in the past, but in 2017, average 60+, S/R 90+. Too small a sample size?

OK, last 12 months, average 48, S/R 94. In that time he has scored a 100 and four fifties from no. 5. He has also got two scores in the 40's (one not out).

It really takes a special kind of ignorance to try and claim that these are bad numbers because he got too many not-outs! Unbelievable logic and shows very little cricketing sense.
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too little too late..means nothing now..he is 38 years old who cares??
 
Pete Rose said:
No he hasn't. Single Digits against Australia and England. His performance in this tourmanem is a surprise only to those folks who are looking at his average and not considering the competition he played.
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You're making up stats here, he did poorly in England apart from 1 game but in Australia he was consistent the whole way through, talk about blind hate...
 
aloo paratha said:
You're making up stats here, he did poorly in England apart from 1 game but in Australia he was consistent the whole way through, talk about blind hate...
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what is consistent? 5 games, how many centuries, how many half centuries? 2? 3? 4? 18 years has got to count for something.
 
Pete Rose said:
what is consistent? 5 games, how many centuries, how many half centuries? 2? 3? 4? 18 years has got to count for something.
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Can't remember off the top of my head but definitely were not single digit scores. Who else scored centuries? Only Babar and that too at a snails pace.
 
aloo paratha said:
Can't remember off the top of my head but definitely were not single digit scores. Who else scored centuries? Only Babar and that too at a snails pace.
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The only out and out success was sharjeel because he kept the game competitive. Babar padded his average. Hafeez and Malik performed in one match only because it was in line with their pedigree: chasing a target of less than 250.
 
Pete Rose said:
The only out and out success was sharjeel because he kept the game competitive. Babar padded his average. Hafeez and Malik performed in one match only because it was in line with their pedigree: chasing a target of less than 250.
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More than one match, go look up the scores from the series:facepalm:
 
aloo paratha said:
More than one match, go look up the scores from the series:facepalm:
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you play 18 year veterans to get you over the line. not that they can score 40 runs while chasing greater than 300.
Its no wonder we are a shambles we accept mediocrity so easily.
 
Both Malik n Hafeez are cancerous to team will take any genuine bowler or batsman over them or from the current lot sack one of them for Shadab they are both jaali players who have fooled us for nearly two decades if a fund manager had invested in stocks like Malik or Hafeez he would had been ruined/bankrupt by now
 
aloo paratha said:
You're making up stats here, he did poorly in England apart from 1 game but in Australia he was consistent the whole way through, talk about blind hate...
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If the team has made 350, and you score 47 at a strike rate of 66, that is not playing for the team, it is playing for yourself...

Thats what he did, made his selfish 40s and forgot the game even existed...
 
Pete Rose said:
you play 18 year veterans to get you over the line. not that they can score 40 runs while chasing greater than 300.
Its no wonder we are a shambles we accept mediocrity so easily.
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If you know of exceptional potential replacements you should advise who. I don't have any problem accepting Malik isn't a great standard bearer, I just look around and don't see who is better for this tournament right now. Azhar Ali and Hafeez would be the batsmen I'd want replaced first as both struggle to rotate the strike chronically.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If you know of exceptional potential replacements you should advise who. I don't have any problem accepting Malik isn't a great standard bearer, I just look around and don't see who is better for this tournament right now. Azhar Ali and Hafeez would be the batsmen I'd want replaced first as both struggle to rotate the strike chronically.
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Why would you need exceptional talent to replace malik, hafeez, or azhar (odi only)?
how are these three guys "exceptional"?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Perhaps the wrong term. Let's go for acceptable talent then. Who would you suggest?
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i would rather play imad wasim and fahim ashraf in their place and shadab khan. considering imad and fahim were already playing in the same team , it free up two spots for batsmen, guys like sahibzada farhan and even umar amin. plenty of options.
i assume you are asking beyond this tournament.
 
Pete Rose said:
i would rather play imad wasim and fahim ashraf in their place and shadab khan. considering imad and fahim were already playing in the same team , it free up two spots for batsmen, guys like sahibzada farhan and even umar amin. plenty of options.
i assume you are asking beyond this tournament.
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No I am talking about this tournament. Malik is playing as a batsman so Shadab and Imad aren't really relevant. I haven't seen Farhan, and Amin is a batsman I actually quite like despite his constant failures. Maybe once this tournament is done he can be looked at again. Unfortunately the PCB selectors are always too slow to blood new players so when tournaments come round they haven't had any experience to prepare them.
 
waleed88 said:
Which run chases are those??

Besides the one in which we chased down 300 vs England (where he tonked around a spinner in a dead rubber) what total was a high scoring affair and he took us to victory?
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Does is it matter which chases or dead rubber?

Point is Pakistan has won 8 games chasing and Malik has been there 5 out 8 times to see them through. Don't you understand that. We probably would have a much worse chasing record without him.
 
cricketInsight said:
Does is it matter which chases or dead rubber?

Point is Pakistan has won 8 games chasing and Malik has been there 5 out 8 times to see them through. Don't you understand that. We probably would have a much worse chasing record without him.
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Good joke.. what chasing record? Is chasing 300 a record now? This is a bunch of selfish players who have lost it before the chase even began, you can look at their faces they know the chase is gone.. 300 is now an average score with no significant value if chased down... we have only 1 chase to show for that in 2-3 years, so unless Malik is guiding us to finishes in small chases, it doesn't matter because the point is the team is static as a batting unit with or without him...
 
Arsal_AK said:
Let's see;

Was doing fine against India till Hafeez ran him out.

Great cameo against SA till the rain came, put us ahead on DL, remained not out.

Had a poor game vs SL.

Not to mention he has been averaging over 50 at a SR of around 95, for the past two years.

Conclusion: Let's drop him, how could he fail in one game ( two if you count India)- especially when we have the likes of Hafeez, Shehzad, Azhar and Immad in the team, who are performing so well.
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Post of the thread.
 
I was making this point To a friend the other day..

In a limited overs cricket.. bits and pieces cricketers r very important.. but in Pakistan case.. they have way too many of them and some of them in important positions such as number 4 and number 5

Now hafeez/Malik r the same.. they have similar stats and even bowling actions. They both struggle and have certain issues.. like with Malik.. he can't play fast bowlers.. hafeez literally doesn't know how to build an innings.. pak should have decide which one to play.. and shouldn't pick both together.. just my 2 cents take!!
 
waleed88 said:
Good joke.. what chasing record? Is chasing 300 a record now? This is a bunch of selfish players who have lost it before the chase even began, you can look at their faces they know the chase is gone.. 300 is now an average score with no significant value if chased down... we have only 1 chase to show for that in 2-3 years, so unless Malik is guiding us to finishes in small chases, it doesn't matter because the point is the team is static as a batting unit with or without him...
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I think you misunderstood the english there. by chasing record i meant chasing history.

If you look at all the matches this team has won since WC 2015 especially chasing (not many) - Malik has played a key role in almost all of them. I would prefer a player better than Malik any day but i do know that there are atleast 4 other players that desperately need to be replaced in this squad before we event start talking about Malik.

Because Malik since WC 2015 has been playing quite well.
 
cricketInsight said:
I think you misunderstood the english there. by chasing record i meant chasing history.

If you look at all the matches this team has won since WC 2015 especially chasing (not many) - Malik has played a key role in almost all of them. I would prefer a player better than Malik any day but i do know that there are atleast 4 other players that desperately need to be replaced in this squad before we event start talking about Malik.

Because Malik since WC 2015 has been playing quite well.
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if you played and chased 4 out of 40-50 games in 2 years? Does that make you a good player?
 
Malik has been a top quality player after his return post WC 2015, no need to drop him upon few failures.

He is vital for our success and should be in Pakistan team till 2019 CWC as the senior player.
 
If pakistan is chasing less than 250 he may have a roll to play, provided he doesn't get bounced out joe root or something
 
waleed88 said:
If the team has made 350, and you score 47 at a strike rate of 66, that is not playing for the team, it is playing for yourself...

Thats what he did, made his selfish 40s and forgot the game even existed...
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The team only made 300 once and it was 312 not 350:91: Also he player a crucial knock in the first ODI, plus PP golden boy scored super slow as well but it's ok, criticize the ones you hate, don't criticize the ones they like.
 
aloo paratha said:
The team only made 300 once and it was 312 not 350:91: Also he player a crucial knock in the first ODI, plus PP golden boy scored super slow as well but it's ok, criticize the ones you hate, don't criticize the ones they like.
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Meri jaan, by 'the team' I mean the opposition, in which the score was 350 and Malik Sahab scored at a strike rate of 66 to effectively end the game right there..
 
Isn't he the most talented batsman Pakistan have produced? Unfortunately he is in bad form right now since West Indies and Zimbabwe are not in the Champions trophy, it's a great injustice, he will soon be back in form when Pakistan play Afghanistan. Have some patience.
 
As expected. Half decent bowling or pacers, the guy goes missing.

18 years of history cannot suddenly be changed - people got fooled by his typical minnow bashing.
 
Has done nothing of note in this tournament. Can't bat, doesn't bowl. Not really a great presence in the field
 
Rana said:
Has done nothing of note in this tournament. Can't bat, doesn't bowl. Not really a great presence in the field
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But but he averages above 40 at decent strike rate against Zimbabwe and West Indies!

Clearly people don't know of his non existent ability against pacers or performing in icc tournaments.
 
The thing is... this is not India with Balaji irfan Pathan or nehra. These bowlers are pounding in for deliveries of 140 k
 
Good effort. More important than anything he had the right niyaat - the intention, shows he puts team first.
 
Had 18 years been invested in any player from ANY team, he´d by now have been a legend, an all-time great. This awful player keeps getting chances for reasons beyond me to be honest. Forget about 18 years, look at the likes of Tamim, Shakib, Mushfiq, Mahmudullah for Bangladesh and how they´re totally justifying the 10-year experience in them.

His supporters and the selectors will boast about how his all-time great innings of 16 would´ve been converted into a triple century had the rain not intervened against South Africa! If they´re hoping for his experience to fully come to one day, then they´re being foolish and are hoping against a hope.

Hafeez might too be another issue in the batting line-up, but he at least provides you good, economical overs and yesterday played a crunch innings when the team needed him the most, something that Malik last did 70 years ago I think.

Awful, awful cricketer! Needs to go and Pakistan should see this triumph as a chance to start, to begin a journey of selecting youngsters and of selecting players on merit. 18 years completed wasted, I´m sorry to sound this harsh.
 
The likes of Hafeez, Azhar, Imad etc. too need to be shown the door if they fail to perform with better consistency. Now is the chance for Pakistan to reform its cricket, don´t waste it. Pakistan need to modernise its batting, need more Fakhars to win more games and tournaments like this.
 
And he comes out with the intention to slog every bowl after setting himself up within a few deliveries, went for a wrong shot on a bouncer and you'l see this only on PP, some cringe-worthy posts.

And unlike a blind fan, I'm not against his retirement/dropped now...

But making filthy statements are nothing more than a little bit of amusement.

Unlike many players in the team, he has never lost us a match like the other beautiful player and you know to whom I'm talking.
 
super hitter said:
And he comes out with the intention to slog every bowl after setting himself up within a few deliveries, went for a wrong shot on a bouncer and you'l see this only on PP, some cringe-worthy posts.

And unlike a blind fan, I'm not against his retirement/dropped now...

But making filthy statements are nothing more than a little bit of amusement.

Unlike many players in the team, he has never lost us a match like the other beautiful player and you know to whom I'm talking.
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Never lost a match?
 
miandadrules said:
Never lost a match?
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yup..didnt you know? I hear Imran was so impressed with his cuptaany that he wanted to include a whole chapter about him in his book. I mean didnt you hear the sky commentators mention his magnificent unbeaten record??
 
the Great Khan said:
yup..didnt you know? I hear Imran was so impressed with his cuptaany that he wanted to include a whole chapter about him in his book. I mean didnt you hear the sky commentators mention his magnificent unbeaten record??
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I feel sorry for these kids who weren't even born when Malik was destroying legendary bowlers.

We were lucky to have seen it.

Don't worry about the lost chapter. I hear Imran is saving it for the special edition release of his autobiography.
 
Time to prepare for 2019 WC and I don't see a place for him or even Hafeez. But keeping Hafeez is still an option given he can bowl some economical overs but Malik has nothing to give to this team anymore. Team management should identify 5 middle order batsman and give them chances in the coming years and see who solidifies his place instead of Malik. We finally have a good base to build from and it would be a shame if we let it go to waste.
 
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