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Shoaib Malik vs MS Dhoni - Who is better in LOIs currently?

cricketjoshila said:
Malik is more clutch and rotates strike better than Dhoni?That has to be a big joke.
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Yes, Dhoni is one of the top worst strike rotater in ODI's in the midle overs. You just need to watch more cricket. He is the master of dot balls.
 
Mobashir said:
Yes, Dhoni is one of the top worst strike rotater in ODI's in the midle overs. You just need to watch more cricket. He is the master of dot balls.
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One needs to watch cricket with a special teacher explaining every little thing. Dhoni has been the biggest match winner in ODI cricket at par with Beaven and Kohli. Every one who lives in the 21st century know that.
Strike rotation is his absolute skill where he can run twos within 30 yard circle. I don't know where you are getting your stats from . Would love to see the source of your stats, If you really have any.
 
Tekcirc said:
One needs to watch cricket with a special teacher explaining every little thing. Dhoni has been the biggest match winner in ODI cricket at par with Beaven and Kohli. Every one who lives in the 21st century know that.
Strike rotation is his absolute skill where he can run twos within 30 yard circle. I don't know where you are getting your stats from . Would love to see the source of your stats, If you really have any.
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It says a lot about your overall logic, no need to discuss in depth cricket analysis with you.
Dhoni strugles to score and rotate the strike in the midle overs of an ODI innings.
 
[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION] brother if they are batsmen of similar calibre then why does Dhoni avg 16-17 more than Malik and has a better S/R by 10 points ? Perhaps "indian roads" are the reason !!!So why don't we compare their stats in Malik's home ? Or why not every other country excluding India ?
 
There is no comparison. Dhoni is an ATG, Malik is an average, good if you want to stretch it, all-rounder. Dhoni is a proven match winner.
 
The amount of bias on here is unbelievable, Dhoni is widely recognized by everyone as one of the greatest odi batsmen of all time. Malik is an average odi player. Hard to believe a player like Malik is compared to someone who averages 51 with strike rate of 89
 
vandokkum said:
The amount of bias on here is unbelievable, Dhoni is widely recognized by everyone as one of the greatest odi batsmen of all time. Malik is an average odi player. Hard to believe a player like Malik is compared to someone who averages 51 with strike rate of 89
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The key point to note in the title is 'currently' i.e. Dhoni at his lowest was being compared to Malik who is possibly at his peak.

Dhoni settled the debate though. :D
 
What a slap in the face to Dhoni and I couldn't be more ashamed to be admitting such as a Pakistan fan.

Malik of all people? :))
 
Dhoni is one of the all time greatest cricketers and he's being compared to malik even though i am malik's fan but he even wont be counted in pakistani greats
 
Abdullah719 said:
The key point to note in the title is 'currently' i.e. Dhoni at his lowest was being compared to Malik who is possibly at his peak.

Dhoni settled the debate though. :D
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He is referring to folks like Mobashir, who are not capable of having an objective outlook. For his sake, I hope he was trolling because if you genuinely believe that Malik is as good as Dhoni, you are badly exposing your lack of cricket acumen.
 
vandokkum said:
The amount of bias on here is unbelievable, Dhoni is widely recognized by everyone as one of the greatest odi batsmen of all time. Malik is an average odi player. Hard to believe a player like Malik is compared to someone who averages 51 with strike rate of 89
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it is just about the current form not the previous record..currently malik is better even though dhoni had brilliant hundred ..
 
Buffet said:
Stats looks wrong here.

Outside India - 3 tons and 39 50s. So he must have crossed 50 more than 40 times outside of India.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;home_or_away=3;template=results;type=batting
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This is the link I saw:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...s;template=results;type=allround;view=innings

I think your link includes games vs Hong Kong, Africa XI, Bangla and other minnows. But the above link doesn't include games at neutral venues. When included...

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ns;template=results;type=batting;view=innings
 
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Abdullah719 said:
The key point to note in the title is 'currently' i.e. Dhoni at his lowest was being compared to Malik who is possibly at his peak.

Dhoni settled the debate though. :D
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The discussion has hardly been on current form.
 
Shall we remove stats against latter as well? :-)
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I guess it depends when he played Bangla. Bangla at home over the past 4 or 5 years have been tough.

Malick averages a mighty EIGHT vs Bangla in Bangladesh.
 
Dhoni is a monster in India, but even outside of it he is more than good enough to be miles ahead of someone like Malik. Dhoni averages 46 away from home and 49 in Neutral grounds, compared to Malik's average of 30 and 32. There's a big difference in strike rate as well.
 
Tekcirc said:
:))) .. dont even look at that.

Dhoni will walk into all time XI of most teams, Malik ... :facepalm:
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That was just something I'd love to see, that sit, wasn't something to do with there capabilities, but to be very honest, the records that dhoni holds aren't that special being an Indian batsman. Whereas Malik is the 7th allrounder in the world who has made more than 6000 runs and 150 wickets in ODI's

cricketjoshila said:
How is Malik more useful?Considering Dhoni can keep and is one of the best LOI tacticians?
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Malik is more useful to Pakistan than Dhoni is to India, Malik can bowl, has taken 150+ wickets in ODI's
 
Indian batsman scoring an average of 40 is equivalent to a Pakistani batsman scoring with an average of 30.
 
super hitter said:
That was just something I'd love to see, that sit, wasn't something to do with there capabilities, but to be very honest, the records that dhoni holds aren't that special being an Indian batsman. Whereas Malik is the 7th allrounder in the world who has made more than 6000 runs and 150 wickets in ODI's



Malik is more useful to Pakistan than Dhoni is to India, Malik can bowl, has taken 150+ wickets in ODI's
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If you're referring to his career stats, you surely not basing you argument on current form.

So if Malik is more useful to Pakistan why has he been ignored all these years and the likes of Anwar Ali been preferred over him?
 
Statsman said:
If you're referring to his career stats, you surely not basing you argument on current form.

So if Malik is more useful to Pakistan why has he been ignored all these years and the likes of Anwar Ali been preferred over him?
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all these years?

Malik has been here for two years now and I don't think so that when you're considering the stats for current form, you can go even more in past.
 
Statsman said:
If you're referring to his career stats, you surely not basing you argument on current form.

So if Malik is more useful to Pakistan why has he been ignored all these years and the likes of Anwar Ali been preferred over him?
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oh, so you are talking about the highlighted point, read the posts to which I answered.
 
super hitter said:
That was just something I'd love to see, that sit, wasn't something to do with there capabilities, but to be very honest, the records that dhoni holds aren't that special being an Indian batsman. Whereas Malik is the 7th allrounder in the world who has made more than 6000 runs and 150 wickets in ODI's



Malik is more useful to Pakistan than Dhoni is to India, Malik can bowl, has taken 150+ wickets in ODI's
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Dude again seriously?? Try more special filters plzz (6000 and 150, because Malik just managed to clear that)
:ashwin. Even then he can't find a special status.

Malik can't even keep up with Dhoni's very often cited mediocre test avgs.. There is not even comparison in ODIs. Dhoni stands as the wicket keeper with most stumpings in ODIs, and 4th highest catches!

Malik can't even find a place in all time test Pakistan XI, while Dhoni might walk in to many All time WOrld XI.
and not to forget the captaincy that won World Cup, T20 World Cup, Champions Trophy, several months ICC number 1 rankings. Don't embarrass yourself further dude!
 
Tekcirc said:
Dude again seriously?? Try more special filters plzz (6000 and 150, because Malik just managed to clear that)
:ashwin. Even then he can't find a special status.

Malik can't even keep up with Dhoni's very often cited mediocre test avgs.. There is not even comparison in ODIs. Dhoni stands as the wicket keeper with most stumpings in ODIs, and 4th highest catches!

Malik can't even find a place in all time test Pakistan XI, while Dhoni might walk in to many All time WOrld XI.
and not to forget the captaincy that won World Cup, T20 World Cup, Champions Trophy, several months ICC number 1 rankings. Don't embarrass yourself further dude!
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totally irrelevant when you're comparing the two....stupid stats....

than I can say,

Malik has taken this much wickets in this this format,,,, is one of the most popular t-20 player around the world

What are you trying to justify by the number of catches, captaining, test format(something that malik hasn't even played for instance) etc. etc.

Secondly, the stats you're mentioning...what have they to do with there current form???
 
This is a ridiculous thread imo.

I can compare some present day tail ender to Ricky ponting in his last few matches and show that he is better than what Ponting was in the twilight of his career. What purpose would it serve?
 
Madplayer said:
This is a ridiculous thread imo.

I can compare some present day tail ender to Ricky ponting in his last few matches and show that he is better than what Ponting was in the twilight of his career. What purpose would it serve?
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It will show that XYZ was better than ABC for X number of days ;)
 
super hitter said:
That was just something I'd love to see, that sit, wasn't something to do with there capabilities, but to be very honest,[highlight]the records that dhoni holds aren't that special being an Indian batsman.[/b] Whereas Malik is the 7th allrounder in the world who has made more than 6000 runs and 150 wickets in ODI's



Malik is more useful to Pakistan than Dhoni is to India, Malik can bowl, has taken 150+ wickets in ODI's
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it indeed special coz he's a wk Batsman. he's probably 2nd best WK Batsman all time in ODI :msd
 
super hitter said:
Malik is more useful to Pakistan than Dhoni is to India, Malik can bowl, has taken 150+ wickets in ODI's
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did you say that in straight face? Dhoni has more dismissal, more runs, better average & better strike rate, but he isn't good for India than Malik for Pakistan. even now Dhoni can straightly walk to Pak odi team but Malik can't.
 
I hope the answer is clear now.One plays match saving innings other match loosing.
 
super hitter said:
That was just something I'd love to see, that sit, wasn't something to do with there capabilities, but to be very honest, the records that dhoni holds aren't that special being an Indian batsman. Whereas Malik is the 7th allrounder in the world who has made more than 6000 runs and 150 wickets in ODI's



Malik is more useful to Pakistan than Dhoni is to India, Malik can bowl, has taken 150+ wickets in ODI's
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Malik being more useful for Pakistan doesnt make him better than Dhoni.Pakistan is ranked 8th in the world.

Dhoni has 200plus dissmissals plus he is considered one of the best LOI captains ever.
 
An excellent innings by the master blaster Malik. Almost brought Pakistan to the verge of victory.
Contributed with the ball as well. What a useful cricketer!
 
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Malik cannot even tie Dhoni's shoe laces as a cricketer.

Dhoni is an ATG ODI Bat as well as Keeper and in the top 3 captains the Sub Continent as ever produces.

Malik is a con artist at best
 
Tekcirc said:
One needs to watch cricket with a special teacher explaining every little thing. Dhoni has been the biggest match winner in ODI cricket at par with Beaven and Kohli. Every one who lives in the 21st century know that.
Strike rotation is his absolute skill where he can run twos within 30 yard circle. I don't know where you are getting your stats from . Would love to see the source of your stats, If you really have any.
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Great absolute skill shawn by him again...
Up there with Misbah as one of the worst Strike rotater in the midle overs of an ODI innings.
 
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