Shock HORROR as England drop Moeen Ali and Chris Woakes!

[Sherlock]

You do realize that Moeen took 10 wkts at an average of 64.9 when England toured India recently. And Indian pitches are supposed to help spinners more than English pitches. The selectors rightly feared that Moeen would once again be slaughtered by Indian batsmen.

Also, given his well-known fear of the short ball (check his recent performance in NZ and Aus), the pace of Shami, Bumrah and Pandya will likely prove too much for him.

Nothing to do with his bowling, but his batting. Also no-one in the England squad covered themselves in glory in India, otherwise all of them would've been dropped.

Also, the short-ball subject has come up time and time again, Cook has/had a similar issue with the short ball yet nothing has come of it.

Moeen has improved on that and he can also use the... Steve Waugh tactic of not playing at the deliveries.

It's easy to point out the negatives when the positives are also there.

 

[shortbread]

I'd be shocked if Moeen doesn't replace Bairstow [if the finger injury hasn't healed] in the 4th Test.

If it was up to me and Bairstow was fit enough to play, I'd have Pope replaced too.

I think Moeen would struggle, apart from the latest game he's struggled all through the season. So have a feeling too much is given about his latest performance.

Pope needs to bat down the order, he bats 6 in domestic so unfair judging him against a new ball when the team is 2-3 down. He's still a kid, need to back him.

 

[Napa]

Nothing to do with his bowling, but his batting. Also no-one in the England squad covered themselves in glory in India, otherwise all of them would've been dropped.

Also, the short-ball subject has come up time and time again, Cook has/had a similar issue with the short ball yet nothing has come of it.

Moeen has improved on that and he can also use the... Steve Waugh tactic of not playing at the deliveries.

It's easy to point out the negatives when the positives are also there.

Rashid did have better stats than Moeen on the Indian tour, 26 wkts at 37, whereas Moeen was at 10 wkts at 65. However, it may be argued that a lot of the wkts Rashid got were gifted by Indians looking to slog to up the scoring rate.

It is quite likely Moeen will be in the team, we will get to see if he has sorted out his issues with the short balls.

 

[ChuckLee]

Ali with the bat is a dud
Ali with a ball is a dud


Woakes is the real horror he should make the starting like up like root, cook, Anderson and broad

 

[Sherlock]

Rashid did have better stats than Moeen on the Indian tour, 26 wkts at 37, whereas Moeen was at 10 wkts at 65. However, it may be argued that a lot of the wkts Rashid got were gifted by Indians looking to slog to up the scoring rate.

It is quite likely Moeen will be in the team, we will get to see if he has sorted out his issues with the short balls.

Agreed.

 

[Sherlock]

I think Moeen would struggle, apart from the latest game he's struggled all through the season. So have a feeling too much is given about his latest performance.

Pope needs to bat down the order, he bats 6 in domestic so unfair judging him against a new ball when the team is 2-3 down. He's still a kid, need to back him.

Not really struggled has he...65 [T20], 115 [T20], and 219 [FC]. in the 219 he got 2 wkts in the 1st innings and 6 in the 2nd. He also got an 8fer in the FC match v Somerset. That's all he can do, it'll be up to the selectors to see if he's worthy of a call up.

I just feel Pope, Jennings and even Rashid could all easily be dropped.

 

[shaz619]

Shaz bhai with the astute keen eye. Yet he is on this forum while duds like Iqbal Qasim make the Pakistan selection panel.

Thank you leather bhai

 

[shaz619]

With talk of Ian Bell making a temporary comeback, Moeen has just scored 219 and outscored Yorkshire all on his own. Get them both into the team for Southampton
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Well , I disagree. Moeen Ali’s batting has been pathetic as of late . Secondly Ishant Sharma and Ravi ashwin will be the happiest people on earth if Moeen Ali plays. Cook, Jennings, ali , and stokes are all vulnerable against bowlers coming around the wicket . There is talk about Rory burns coming in and unfortunately he is left hander as well . It is going to be a huge blow for England if Bairstow is unfit because he is their best batsman and secondly sly he has scored runs and thirdly he is a right handed batsman. R replacing him with a left hander batsman will be a distaster and will lead England to get all out less than 200. If you closely analyze India’s bowling they bowl better to left handers around the wicket . No wonder apart from curran( he had a catch dropped) , woakes and Bairstow have scored effortlessly against them .
For England to win they DO NOT NEED. A LEFT HANDER and find a way to get a temporary right hand. Batsman. The talk about Ian bell has resurfaced simply because he is right handed and the fact he is scoring runs.

) ) [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] best piece of analysis I have ever seen on PP

 

[shaz619]

Congratulations to Birmingham for winning the series against the no.1 team! [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], well played guys!

 

[Markhor]

Congratulations to Birmingham for winning the series against the no.1 team! [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], well played guys!

Well you have to give credit to Moeen - he bowled brilliantly in this Test and should be England's premier spinner at home.

Away in Asia, he should be the second spinner to someone like Leach.

Shouldn't play in AUS, NZ or SAF (unless a dry turning pitch there).

 

[shaz619]

Well you have to give credit to Moeen - he bowled brilliantly in this Test and should be England's premier spinner at home.

Away in Asia, he should be the second spinner to someone like Leach.

Shouldn't play in AUS, NZ or SAF (unless a dry turning pitch there).

Moeen had one bad winter on debut in those conditions which are a huge challenge in itself, that too with a side strain which did not allow him to pivot and a fracture in the fingers which were glued together; he was forced to play especially with Stokes out. Those factors also hurt his prep prior to the tour and he missed warm up games to. Spin may not be Mo's forte but he is still the best in the country by 20 country miles and needs to be backed as the no.1 spinner for the next 80 Tests he will be playing for England. Mo even with little experience came into the team straight away and won games for England with his bowling, specialists on the other hand have failed. And I wouldn't write him off away from home either, having Saqi in the team will be immensely valuable for him as well.