Should a longer break be allowed in Test cricket for religious reasons?

[Major]

Pakistan would now be taking an extra longer break for their jumma prayer. Do you think that such things should be allowed in cricket, because a few overs are subtracted from the days play.

In my opinion, time shouldn't be wasted like this. The lunch time should cover the jumma time, just like how during tea time Asr time is probably taken in.

If tommarow other religious groups in cricket start asking for religious time off, then what will they do, subtract more overs from the total play?

Unless they allow full 90 overs to be played in a day, unnecessary breaks shouldn't be taken.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Very unfair if some overs are going to be subtracted from the day's play. Otherwise i don't have any problem with it.

 

[Gollum]

Nothing wrong with it. Start half an hour early to make up the overs.

 

[Mamoon]

It shouldn't be allowed at all. If your priority right now is to pray rather than focus on this Test, simply don't play.

Its ridiculous from the POV of the opposing team.

 

[miandadrules]

It shouldn't be allowed at all. If your priority right now is to pray rather than focus on this Test, simply don't play.

Its ridiculous from the POV of the opposing team.

It may be for spectators rather than players.

 

[Major]

Nothing wrong with it. Start half an hour early to make up the overs.

why should the other team be forced to play half an hour early?

It shouldn't be allowed at all. If your priority right now is to pray rather than focus on this Test, simply don't play.

Its ridiculous from the POV of the opposing team.

they are given the time of lunch, they should cover their prayers at that time.

If these guys do pray asr, don't they cover asr prayers during tea time i suppose.

 

[Mamoon]

Doesn't make sense either way. I remember times when we would stop playing during Azaan, but thankfully its not the case anymore and I haven't seen it in years.

 

[Major]

It may be for spectators rather than players.

then should we have late starts in on sunday, so that all the spectators could come from church on time?

Shouldn't play be stopped at Asr and Zahur for spectators to pray?

 

[cars112]

Yes, of course - absolutely correct to give Pakistanis extra long for Jumma prayer. Those talking about the opposition team, well how about the opposition team learn to respect others' religion (I am just saying hypothetically, not suggesting NZ are disrespecting Pak in this instance)?

 

[miandadrules]

then should we have late starts in on sunday, so that all the spectators could come from church on time?

Shouldn't play be stopped at Asr and Zahur for spectators to pray?

I never said it was right.

But majority in the UAE will probably go for Friday prayers. Logistically, to give spectators time to get to the most and return they are given 20 minutes extra. Not saying it is the case, just a possible explanation. Friday prayers is more of a communal affair as opposed to regular prayers.

Also, it isn't as if this is sprung on the opposition, the playing conditions and itinerary are agreed in advance, so they are aware of it and should be prepared.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes, of course - absolutely correct to give Pakistanis extra long for Jumma prayer. Those talking about the opposition team, well how about the opposition team learn to respect others' religion (I am just saying hypothetically, not suggesting NZ are disrespecting Pak in this instance)?

Would you be happy to see some teams take Sunday morning off to go to church?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Everything is wrong with it.

Everything.

 

[khalil1986]

Doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Sandeep]

Nope. It shouldn't be given. Keep sport as a sport..

 

[pakistani pride]

Makes no sense at all.
And i am sure we will lose overs.

 

[Varun]

We already have half the calendar chopped off because of the rubbish IPL and CLT20, now when genuine tests are being played, certain teams want overs subtracted from them as well?

Haha.

 

[aukhan]

It shouldn't be allowed at all. If your priority right now is to pray rather than focus on this Test, simply don't play.

Its ridiculous from the POV of the opposing team.

Completely agree with you here.

 

[sehban]

I see nothing wrong with it & these aspects of religion should be respected. You actually dont lose overs as the 1st session is extended for 30 minutes so that is covered. You still get six hours in a day which is the norm.

Even in most offices, we get extended breaks on friday so we can attend the Jumma prayer.

 

[NZcricketfan]

Would you be happy to see some teams take Sunday morning off to go to church?

Nobody goes to church though

 

[Bullet Drive]

Yes.

Its our home series. We make the rules.

 

[Fastandfurious]

Yes.

Its our home series. We make the rules.

lol this.

 

[Gollum]

EXTRA long break is frigg'n 20 minutes longer, no one will die!

 

[khalil1986]

Yes.

Its our home series. We make the rules.

Yet will be the first to complain if shoe was on other foot.

 

[90MPH]

They should start 20 mins early on the Friday to make up for any lost time.

 

[Mamoon]

Nobody goes to church though

Hypothetically speaking.

 

[Yossarian]

Pakistan would now be taking an extra longer break for their jumma prayer. Do you think that such things should be allowed in cricket, because a few overs are subtracted from the days play..

No they are not. If you look at the scheduled no of overs, it's still the same, ie minimum of 90.
Similarly, the additional 20 minutes for the lunch break are offset by changing the scheduled close of play from 17:00 to 17:20. Bad light ended play at 17:21 on day four.. So, in terms of the allotted time, there's no reason why a full days play should not be possible - unless it gets darker much earlier than it did yesterday !

They should start 20 mins early on the Friday to make up for any lost time.

Read above, plus check cricinfo for the scheduled times.

 

[TV Umpire]

Only if 90 overs of play is guaranteed then the traditional test layout should be altered.

 

[Convict]

Extend the match at the start and the end - even if you have to add a few extra overs to other days.

Not a concern

 

[Major]

play will be stopped early today. 90 overs of play isn't guranteed. Commies have said this again and again. There is no extra half an hour either

 

[dhump]

20 mins dont end the world and I dont think it is that bad, but players willing to pray should spend 20 mins of there normal break in Namaz adding extra time dont look nice.

 

[dhump]

play will be stopped early today. 90 overs of play isn't guranteed. Commies have said this again and again. There is no extra half an hour either

This can be unfair to both teams depending on situation. This should not be allowed like I said before Namaz should be offered during break but I think it is more a problem of ground staff than players etc.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Cover the wasted overs over the course of the whole match.

20 minutes for longer break = 5 overs. Add 1 over to each day.

 

[sherlock89]

No , It should never happen. I agree with sensible-indian-fan ,SANDEEP and VARUN.

 

[Major]

20 mins dont end the world and I dont think it is that bad, but players willing to pray should spend 20 mins of there normal break in Namaz adding extra time dont look nice.

exactly, prayer time should be consumed in lunch time just like how asr time is consumed in tea time

 

[Yossarian]

play will be stopped early today. 90 overs of play isn't guranteed. Commies have said this again and again. There is no extra half an hour either

Correct. There is no extra half hour on day 5. But, as per my previous post, play ended at 17:21 on day four. Todays scheduled close of play has been changed from 17:00 to 17:20 to allow for the additional 20 minutes of the lunch break.
So unless it gets darker earlier than it did yesterday, a full days play should be possible. The theoretical minimum no of overs in the day is still the same, ie 90.

 

[dhump]

No , It should never happen. I agree with sensible-indian-fan ,SANDEEP and VARUN.

Kabhi jhanda dekhay baghair bhi agree karlena chaye yaha pakistani gala phar kar chekh rahay hain ke nahi hona chaye.

 

[Yossarian]

Cover the wasted overs over the course of the whole match.

20 minutes for longer break = 5 overs. Add 1 over to each day.

The additional 20 minutes have already been added on. Check the scheduled hours of play.

 

[Noobosauras]

Not at all. Religious beliefs are personal ad public events cannot be held hostage to personal beliefs.
There are too many religions and accommodating all of them will mean total chaos.
We cant be selective and claim give concessions to major religions as that is unfair to others.

Best is to tell all of them to forget it.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Yes , it should be allowed. Pcb is already too dumb to play on eid days.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

The additional 20 minutes have already been added on. Check the scheduled hours of play.

I see no problem here, then.

 

[Random Aussie]

Fine by me, don't think it's a big deal

 

[JibranAnsari]

Fine by me, don't think it's a big deal

Thats sensible!

 

[world cup captain]

Tough topic. Should be in the time of lunch.

 

[Hawkeye]

Yes.

Its our home series. We make the rules.

Rare good post.

And the break is because of the crowd who has to leave the stadium for jumma prayer.

As usual some people making it a big deal without knowing the reason behind it.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

What's the issue?

No overs are lost.

 

[anakwalajinn]

I don't see anywhere where this is something demanded by the Pakistani management, so what's up with all the fuss?

As it seems, it is done for everyone*, as this most likely is the norm in the country. Makes perfect sense.
Fridays are usually off in The UAE, but if it was a working day, I am pretty sure that they would have had en extended break during Fridays.

*Except the NZ team, of course.

And as a [MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] mentioned above, we don't really lose any overs.
If it still is an issue, then they should just start play earlier.

So please guys, no need to make mountains out of molehills, and discuss stuff that does not really matter

Out of curiosity, how does it work in Pakistan during Fridays?

Would you be happy to see some teams take Sunday morning off to go to church?

If that is the norm in some countries, then it's understandable.

 

[IAJ]

Lols, the break is only extended by 20 minutes so no big deal, start the game 20 minutes earlier! It is a muslim country so all the opponents have to respect this.

 

[Professor]

Would you be happy to see some teams take Sunday morning off to go to church?

If no overs are lost than I would have no problem with it and I am sure most of the other posters here wont either.

 

[Ikball]

Pakistan would now be taking an extra longer break for their jumma prayer. Do you think that such things should be allowed in cricket, because a few overs are subtracted from the days play.

In my opinion, time shouldn't be wasted like this. The lunch time should cover the jumma time, just like how during tea time Asr time is probably taken in.

If tommarow other religious groups in cricket start asking for religious time off, then what will they do, subtract more overs from the total play?

Unless they allow full 90 overs to be played in a day, unnecessary breaks shouldn't be taken.

It shouldn't be allowed at all. If your priority right now is to pray rather than focus on this Test, simply don't play.

Its ridiculous from the POV of the opposing team.

Play is extended by 20 mins today to cover this extra 20 mins break. So a non issue.

Jumma break is Lunch break + 20 extra mins.

 

[Savak]

David warner might have a strong opinion.

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[Varun]

Lols, the break is only extended by 20 minutes so no big deal, start the game 20 minutes earlier! It is a muslim country so all the opponents have to respect this.

How come it isn't the case in Bangladesh?

 

[AlooMan]

Lols, the break is only extended by 20 minutes so no big deal, start the game 20 minutes earlier! It is a muslim country so all the opponents have to respect this.

Secularism in our times means bashing ISLAM! Test match times are often altered due to weather conditions etc so if this was due to stormy condition nobody would bat an eyelid but because it is related to ISLAM people like to complain.

At the end of the day UAE is being god hosts and if that’s their condition then so be it so if we can’t be decent (in our Secularism) we should be courteous and respectful (in understanding culture).

But as I said when it comes to ISLAM, Secularism, decency, courtesy, diversity all goes out the window!

Whether it happens in Pakistan or Bangladesh isn't the issue; the issue here is that its happening in a country and these are their rules.

 

[Fahdi]

The Jumma has to be prayed with the congregation and is obligatory. Giving an extra 20 mins for it is no big deal and people should not make a fuss over it.

Besides they will make up for it by extending the play so I don't see the problem.

 

[Amoeba]

Yes it is funny people thinking somehow the timings in cricket are sacrement....somehow created from the laws of physics and not influenced by culture or geography. Being an English game we have breaks for lunch and that quaint invention tea! We start at 11 and end at 6 because it fits into an English Summer's day. So if cricket gets transported to a foreign field it can and actually must adapt.

An extra 20 minute break with no or little overs lost on 1 day is not going to bring the laws of cricket or physics come crashing down!

 

[cars112]

Would you be happy to see some teams take Sunday morning off to go to church?

Sure, why not? If it just adds 20 mins without losing any overs, what's the problem?

In fact, funny to see you get so bent out of shape for something that is in line with Pakistani culture even though the Aussie posters on this thread don't see it as much of an issue at all.

 

[Mamoon]

I am not a fan of mixing religion with cricket and wouldn't prefer any amendments to adjust for religious practices.

Doesn't have to do with Pakistani culture or Islam only, but its only who have this issue. You won't see Hindus or Christians do anything of these sorts.

 

[Amoeba]

So I guess cricket not being played on a Sunday for a long time had little to do with Christianity or Western culture?

 

[NZcricketfan]

So I guess cricket not being played on a Sunday for a long time had little to do with Christianity or Western culture?

Probably. But religion plays little part in most western cultures these days

 

[Mamoon]

Fortunately for them, their society progressed and moved on from these petty issues while we are still stuck with putting religion in front of everything and forcing it down the throats of others.

 

[Amoeba]

Probably. But religion plays little part in most western cultures these days

Don't disagree and my point aimed at those who don't want religion / culture mixed with sport as if they exist in silos.

Sunday as a religious day is no longer that important in the West - so now everything happens on a Sunday - Shopping & Sport etc.
But for some people to think that the timings of cricket are somehow just created by the laws of physics and are sacrement is deliberately misleading.

 

[AlooMan]

I am not a fan of mixing religion with cricket and wouldn't prefer any amendments to adjust for religious practices.

Doesn't have to do with Pakistani culture or Islam only, but its only who have this issue. You won't see Hindus or Christians do anything of these sorts.

You have the right to have your personal views, what right do you have to inflict it on others? Isn't this what you are accusing others of?

Secondly, who cares what Hindus or Christians or others chose to do? IPL was moved to SA due to Indian elections and that was their decision and its within their remit.

You are obviously a rant-machine with little sense and little knowledge to articulate your point of view. You have your opinions (they have their opinion) but your ridiculous lack of insight is subjecting you to take potshots at ISLAM for no reasons.

Don't care what the Hindus/Christians/Buddhists or you (for that matter) think or do. If you are truly "Secular" as you are inadvertently claiming that learn the basics which is to respect other people's wishes and beliefs and not be a constant troll and attention seeker.

Test matches don't happen on Christmas day and when other teams tour these countries they understand that.

But because you of your propensity to seek attention you just go on and on and on when for most people this doesn't seem an issue.

Yesterday you mentioned Watford when you have no clue what Watford is and the significance of it in the North/South divide but you heard (or read it) from somewhere decided to show your ignorance and when challenged went back into your hole (because you are clueless as to what its about).

Lighten up, buddy!

 

[Amir]

Fortunately for them, their society progressed and moved on from these petty issues while we are still stuck with putting religion in front of everything and forcing it down the throats of others.

What petty about praying Friday prayers? Not they like they hold up play for 5 times a day.

Do as Romans do. They are in our country (our adopted country), it is a half-day there and it is a sacred day in religion and the culture there. We don't have to always appease our Western masters. We tried that, look how that ended up when two of them staged a coup of world cricket and took it hostage for personal gains. They don't care for you, why can't we have 20 mins to pray?

Secular Pakistanis always make a big deal of "fundos" or religion. But they always kick up a fuss about anything religious. One extreme to another. Its a simple prayer, they are not killing anyone. NZ was aware of the schedule before the tour. If it is such an issue, they would have brought it up then.

Next thing you will say is that open alcohol should be allowed in the stands because in Aus and NZ they do it and the UAE should adapt to be like Western societies because they are are a symbol of moral righteousness.

 

[Amir]

Test matches don't happen on Christmas day and when other teams tour these countries they understand that.

They will argue it is a national holiday. But fail to recognize Fridays are half days in UAE/Pak.

But because you of your propensity to seek attention you just go on and on and on when for most people this doesn't seem an issue.

Sums it nicely. NZ team has no issue. Just Mamoon.

 

[Mamoon]

You have the right to have your personal views, what right do you have to inflict it on others? Isn't this what you are accusing others of?

Secondly, who cares what Hindus or Christians or others chose to do? IPL was moved to SA due to Indian elections and that was their decision and its within their remit.

You are obviously a rant-machine with little sense and little knowledge to articulate your point of view. You have your opinions (they have their opinion) but your ridiculous lack of insight is subjecting you to take potshots at ISLAM for no reasons.

Don't care what the Hindus/Christians/Buddhists or you (for that matter) think or do. If you are truly "Secular" as you are inadvertently claiming that learn the basics which is to respect other people's wishes and beliefs and not be a constant troll and attention seeker.

Test matches don't happen on Christmas day and when other teams tour these countries they understand that.

But because you of your propensity to seek attention you just go on and on and on when for most people this doesn't seem an issue.

Yesterday you mentioned Watford when you have no clue what Watford is and the significance of it in the North/South divide but you heard (or read it) from somewhere decided to show your ignorance and when challenged went back into your hole (because you are clueless as to what its about).

Lighten up, buddy!

Extended lunch break so that other team members can pray to God is not something I would put up and this is why I brought up other religions.

I won't appreciate for anyone and not just Muslims/Islam but these days, only we have this problem because other societies have progressed.

Elections have nothing to do with offering a prayer. It is a valid reason and justified. Similarly, Christmas has more than just religious significance to people of today's world; whether you are religious or not, you celebrate Christmas just like Eid.

Its a day where you can spend with your family and enjoy so not playing cricket on Christmas, Eid, Diwali etc is justified in my opinion, but taking extra during a game to offer prayer is not.

If you want to pray, do it in the lunch break and if you are so worried about not offering on time, simply don't play cricket because you are going to miss a gazillion prayers anyway because of playing so going out of the way for Jumma does not make sense to me.

 

[Amir]

Probably. But religion plays little part in most western cultures these days

Exactly. That is your prerogative. It obviously still a important part for majority of Arabs and Pakistanis. Let us do our things in our own country. You can't argue that it impedes you. You don't see us coming to your countries, telling you to ban alcohol (which is important part of your culture). If I say drunk spectators lead to abuse (IE racist abuse like Tahir suffered recently)...you will just laugh it off and say being drunk at match is part of culture.

 

[Amir]

If you want to pray, do it in the lunch break and if you are so worried about not offering on time, simply don't play cricket because you are going to miss a gazillion prayers anyway because of playing so going out of the way for Jumma does not make sense to me.

Maybe you are not Muslim. But Friday prayers are very important and most Muslims hold it in higher regard than daily 5. Even those who do not pray regularly, attend Friday prayers. Hope it makes sense to you now.

 

[Mamoon]

Keep religion to yourself and don't ask others to go out of their way to respect your faith. It is your problem, not theirs.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

why should the other team be forced to play half an hour early?

Why would they object to it?

 

[Mamoon]

Maybe you are not Muslim. But Friday prayers are very important and most Muslims hold it in higher regard than daily 5. Even those who do not pray regularly, attend Friday prayers. Hope it makes sense to you now.

Actually, I am a Muslim and I know the significance of Jumma and I'm also aware of the the 'Jumma Khans' who turn up for Friday prayer only, but it is weird that you would go out of your way for Jumma and not care at all about others prayers.

This isn't Christianity and we aren't supposed to pray once a week only.

 

[nish_mate]

We just need to get Israel to start playing cricket and then no one will complain about prayers and breaks!

When in Rome do as Romans do- its UAE, a Muslim country and Pakistan is playing host. Its not like Pakistan have flown to England or Oz or NZ or India and demanded special allowance.

I am with the 20 mins break here!

 

[cricketindiafan]

Sharjah matches on Friday have had these longer lunch breaks right from the beginning IIRC. So its nothing new, teams have never had issues with that as these things are a part of the playing conditions agreed before by both the boards.

Was not an issue earlier, should not be a problem now.

 

[cars112]

Fine by me, don't think it's a big deal

Extend the match at the start and the end - even if you have to add a few extra overs to other days.

Not a concern

Sharjah matches on Friday have had these longer lunch breaks right from the beginning IIRC. So its nothing new, teams have never had issues with that as these things are a part of the playing conditions agreed before by both the boards.

Was not an issue earlier, should not be a problem now.

We just need to get Israel to start playing cricket and then no one will complain about prayers and breaks!

When in Rome do as Romans do- its UAE, a Muslim country and Pakistan is playing host. Its not like Pakistan have flown to England or Oz or NZ or India and demanded special allowance.

I am with the 20 mins break here!

Interesting that the opposition fans have no issue with completely minor issue - whilst Mamoon is on a one-man crusade getting offended on behalf of what the opposition will think!

 

[Strike Rate]

We just need to get Israel to start playing cricket and then no one will complain about prayers and breaks!

When in Rome do as Romans do- its UAE, a Muslim country and Pakistan is playing host. Its not like Pakistan have flown to England or Oz or NZ or India and demanded special allowance.

I am with the 20 mins break here!

Sharjah matches on Friday have had these longer lunch breaks right from the beginning IIRC. So its nothing new, teams have never had issues with that as these things are a part of the playing conditions agreed before by both the boards.

Was not an issue earlier, should not be a problem now.

This!

 

[Mamoon]

Not getting offended, it simply does not make any sense to me. If I am wrong, forgive me.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Interesting that the opposition fans have no issue with completely minor issue - whilst Mamoon is on a one-man crusade getting offended on behalf of what the opposition will think!

It might be interesting if it wasn't entirely predictable.

 

[Mamoon]

It might be interesting if it wasn't entirely predictable.

Ranting on Pakpassion really helps me get my mind over how miserable my life is. Predictable yes, but works for me.

 

[farhan]

please don't indulge religion into cricket. i am totally against the longer breaks due to some religious reasons.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I don't see a problem with it. At the end of the day there are things more important than a game of cricket.

Ideally - start a bit earlier so no overs are lost - but you have to cater to the crowd you are playing for.

40 minutes isn't really enough for any of the fans to get to a mosque, pray a full namaaz and get back in time - so I don't see a problem with adding 20 mins. Similarly it's completely unfair to make a player chose between playing cricket and praying namaaz.

I see your point [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] about lunch covering prayer time - but that would only cover it for the players, if namaaz is taking place within the stadium.

On top of that - neither the players or the fans can grab a bite to eat and pray in 40 minutes. It will be extremely unfair to tell the players - you can do any 2 of eat, pray or play cricket.

The logical thing to do is start 20 minutes early and make up the overs.

It really fascinates me how it is usually (not always - but usually) muslims who have an issue with stuff like this whilst non-muslims are usually pretty understanding about it. It's actually a good thing - it just shows that both sides are considerate about the other

 

[Amir]

Actually, I am a Muslim and I know the significance of Jumma and I'm also aware of the the 'Jumma Khans' who turn up for Friday prayer only, but it is weird that you would go out of your way for Jumma and not care at all about others prayers.

This isn't Christianity and we aren't supposed to pray once a week only.

Well, I think majority of Muslim scholars will agree on the importance of Jummah. Some schools of thought believe missing it, makes you non-Muslim. Not a belief I particularly ascribe to but it is a view point.

Nonetheless, we were given Friday as a gift. You shouldn't miss any of your prayers but I do believe many feel there is an extra layer of importance when you miss Friday prayer. It is once a week, the other 5 are daily.

Sorry to hear of your struggles, hope things work out for you.

 

[Mamoon]

Well, I think majority of Muslim scholars will agree on the importance of Jummah. Some schools of thought believe missing it, makes you non-Muslim. Not a belief I particularly ascribe to but it is a view point.

Nonetheless, we were given Friday as a gift. You shouldn't miss any of your prayers but I do believe many feel there is an extra layer of importance when you miss Friday prayer. It is once a week, the other 5 are daily.

Sorry to hear of your struggles, hope things work out for you.

Of course there is, but I never subscribed to the Jummah only ideology because it does not make sense to me.

Thank you, but life is over for me. I'm bankrupt and my wife left me for another guy and don't have a job. For as long as my internet subscription lasts, I will rant and 'seek attention' on PP.