Should a longer break be allowed in Test cricket for religious reasons?

[Bilal7]

Ofcourse it should be allowed. They can start earlier if a couple of missed overs are going to make a difference but it would be absolutely pathetic to not allow a team to observe their religious obligations.

A longer break is perfectly fine but the secular "Muslims" can cry all they want.

 

[Big Boss]

We already have half the calendar chopped off because of the rubbish IPL and CLT20, now when genuine tests are being played, certain teams want overs subtracted from them as well?

Haha.

IPL happens in Aprl/May which is an off season and does not impact test cricket at all. Stick to topic and stop making excuse of IPL.

 

[Major]

Praying to the almighty Allah should be the most important thing in every Muslims life. Namaz shouldn’t be taken as an isolated act of worship but a part of one’s lifestyle.

Imo they should have taken 50 minutes of break instead of 20. Nobody should rush his salat for anything as he is standing in front of the ‘ONE’ who is in charge of ‘’whatever’’ he is rushing for.

this has got nothing to do with namaz. And besides, i guess your 5time prayers are more important then the jummah you pray only once in a week.

Point is, why not do this stuff during the breaks you have.

Zahur takes more time then jummah, durring normal days, does pakistan take zhur or asr breaks? eveyrthing is covered in lunch break

 

[Mamoon]

this has got nothing to do with namaz. And besides, i guess your 5time prayers are more important then the jummah you pray only once in a week.

Point is, why not do this stuff during the breaks you have.

Zahur takes more time then jummah, durring normal days, does pakistan take zhur or asr breaks?

Just leave it. You won't convince anyone over this.

Typical desi mentality.

 

[Amir]

Of course there is, but I never subscribed to the Jummah only ideology because it does not make sense to me.

Thank you, but life is over for me. I'm bankrupt and my wife left me for another guy and don't have a job. For as long as my internet subscription lasts, I will rant and 'seek attention' on PP.

Just remember, God won't test you with more than you can handle. Given how much abuse you get here, you seem to handle it pretty well. Hopefully things turn around, though I know at this moment, you may not believe it and things look bleak. Just be patient and keep your faith brother. I recently went through a period of two years where my career stuttered cause of poor work environment/unemployed. Getting it back together and now have a more relaxed and respecting boss. I am glad I kept my patience, though at times I lost a lot of confidence in myself.

 

[Bilal7]

this has got nothing to do with namaz. And besides, i guess your 5time prayers are more important then the jummah you pray only once in a week.

Point is, why not do this stuff during the breaks you have.

Zahur takes more time then jummah, durring normal days, does pakistan take zhur or asr breaks?

Do you know how Jummah differs from regular prayers, which can be prayed quickly and individually by the players in the pavilion?

You need a Khutba for the Jummah prayer and the whole act of worship does take more time than any of the 5 daily prayers.

 

[Major]

Just leave it. You won't convince anyone over this.

Typical desi mentality.

its just simple logic, your zahur namaz takes more time then jummah, but have we ever seen extra time being taken for zahur namaaz.

ICC needs to stop such time wastage.

 

[Major]

Do you know how Jummah differs from regular prayers, which can be prayed quickly and individually by the players in the pavilion?

You need a Khutba for the Jummah prayer and the whole act of worship does take more time than any of the 5 daily prayers.

interesting how khutbah and all that is done under 20 mins............

 

[Donal Cozzie]

As long as it doesnt disrupt the game too much then I see no problem with it.

As others have said extending the lunch break by 20 minutes to allow spectators to leave and pray and eat or whatever is perfectly fair. It doesnt disrupt the game much, if at all. Just add 20 minutes to the days play or start 20 minutes earlier.

Ideally you wouldnt have to do this, you'd just have to focus on cricket, but the customs and traditions of other countries/societies need to be respected, they are hosts after all, and once these customs/religious traditions dont interfere with the actual cricket, or are offensive to the touring side, then I see absolutely no problem with allowing a slightly longer lunch break so the locals can do what the have to do.

 

[TM Riddle]

Fine by me .

 

[Bilal7]

interesting how khutbah and all that is done under 20 mins............

Not interesting, just your ignorance becoming clear. The Khutba is very short, its the speech that precedes it that takes up most of the time. The speech is not necessary or can be just a few minutes but the Khutba is important.

 

[Bilal7]

its just simple logic, your zahur namaz takes more time then jummah, but have we ever seen extra time being taken for zahur namaaz.

ICC needs to stop such time wastage.

In what world does Zuhr takes more time than Jummah? Nonsense.

 

[Jabo]

Absolutely not

You're a professional, if you have to pray then don't play

 

[Big Boss]

Not interesting, just your ignorance becoming clear. The Khutba is very short, its the speech that precedes it that takes up most of the time. The speech is not necessary or can be just a few minutes but the Khutba is important.

Why should cricket be on hold due to this? What is the connection?

Please see, massive respect for all religions. But you don't see cricket match is stopped due to any other religion then why only for muslims? Sports and religion should not be mixed. If PCB is so much bothered about friday then don't schedule any home game on that day. Opponent had to take a longer breaks because of regligios belief of the home team does not make any sense.

 

[justarslan]

Ranting on Pakpassion really helps me get my mind over how miserable my life is. Predictable yes, but works for me.

It is not ranting. You go against the grain in every thread on PP.

 

[Bilal7]

Why should cricket be on hold due to this? What is the connection?

Please see, massive respect for all religions. But you don't see cricket match is stopped due to any other religion then why only for muslims? Sports and religion should not be mixed. If PCB is so much bothered about friday then don't schedule any home game on that day. Opponent had to take a longer breaks because of regligios belief of the home team does not make any sense.

Because our prayers conflict with cricket. If other religions had five time prayers or had to fulfill some obligations that were conflicting with cricket, they would have the right to fulfill them.

What doesn't make sense about longer breaks in the blistering heat of the UAE? Why do you think that not one opposition player has complained about this for the longest time?

Its just secular "Muslims" that hate seeing Islam practiced.

 

[Bilal7]

Absolutely not

You're a professional, if you have to pray then don't play

Professionals pray all the time. We get out of class early to pray and my dad gets the same privilege during team-meetings.

 

[mon858]

forget about the players and lets say even the spectators for a moment.
players if travelling which all pakistan players would be since uae is not their home, its not mandatory for them to pray juma. they can pray zuhr.
for spectators, missing 20 min of action shouldn't be a big deal.
but the biggest issue will come in with all the LOCALs that HAVE to pray the prayer in congregation and need extra time during the friday lunch break. This can include security folks, ground staff, support crew, hospitality staff, media men, maybe even the official scorer and/or scoreboard operator etc, etc. So a lot of those folks that are crucial to the functioning of a test match need that extra time on friday, so keeping that in mind, i dont see a big deal with this arrangement, given the games are being played in UAE /hosted by Pakistan, where majority will be muslim that need that break.

 

[mastermind_quad]

If both the parties agree then its a NoIssue.

I personally don't want religion to be mix with sport.

 

[MenInG]

If both the parties agree then its a NoIssue.

I personally don't want religion to be mix with sport.

As David Warner put it in his usual diplomatic way "Local conditions" - live with it and accept it.

 

[IAJ]

Honestly tired of listning to desis who are allways there to attack anything to do with Islam just to try to impress non-muslims. This behaviour and trying to exclude all the beautiful duties of Islam from the daily life is what have ruined our country and most other muslim countries. As long as the muslims followed the true Islam they were far far ahead of rest and when people started to do all the actions which are not in line with the teachings of Islam the humiliation reached us.

That Christians have moved on from their teachings does not mean Muslims have to do that as well, and why? To feel more at home among non-muslims?

I am really happy they have this long extra break for the Friday prayer. This doesn't hurt anyone and is a good action. And those who are saying keep religion away from cricket just dont have knowledge about Islam. Cricket is a job and like any other job you have to take out time for prayers if you follow your religion fully, no excuses there.

 

[trogger]

Don't care and don't see the big deal.

All you want is the 90 overs play in and the playing conditions to be the same for both teams at all times outside of that who cares if one day has a longer lunch?

I can't imagine a single touring player cares about this issue in the slightest.

 

[Thivagar]

You can pray during lunch time, drinks time ? If you aren't batting, you can pray while you are sitting in the dressing room. You can also pray after you get out no ? What is the fuss about ? Can you only pray at the certain time ?

 

[Thivagar]

Honestly tired of listning to desis who are allways there to attack anything to do with Islam just to try to impress non-muslims. This behaviour and trying to exclude all the beautiful duties of Islam from the daily life is what have ruined our country and most other muslim countries. As long as the muslims followed the true Islam they were far far ahead of rest and when people started to do all the actions which are not in line with the teachings of Islam the humiliation reached us.

That Christians have moved on from their teachings does not mean Muslims have to do that as well, and why? To feel more at home among non-muslims?

I am really happy they have this long extra break for the Friday prayer. This doesn't hurt anyone and is a good action. And those who are saying keep religion away from cricket just dont have knowledge about Islam. Cricket is a job and like any other job you have to take out time for prayers if you follow your religion fully, no excuses there.

Wait do you pray at work place too ? If cricket is just a job, then I guess those can find another job.

 

[Buffet]

It may be for spectators rather than players.

Spectators in UAE?

 

[Fallen King]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

You may be right from your point of view, but you leave out one important detail, Pakistan team is Muslim team playing in Muslim land while on ground covered by majority of Muslim spectators, that includes Muslim guards as well.

You are gonna have to take many accounts into factor. Your opinion is minority, and therefore, cannot be accomodate to cause inconvenience to many parties for the sake of minority. Besides, half an hour is not a lot to ask.

As long as this doesn't cause inconvenience to opposition team, that's all it matters.

 

[Fallen King]

You can pray during lunch time, drinks time ? If you aren't batting, you can pray while you are sitting in the dressing room. You can also pray after you get out no ? What is the fuss about ? Can you only pray at the certain time ?

Friday prayer is must for Muslim people nor they can afford to miss lunch time either considering most of the fielders including captain stand all day long on the field facing scorching heat. Without lunch time [food]. they will pass out, yet at the same time they don't wanna miss friday prayer. Friday prayer is actually the most important for Muslim people.

As long as this doesn't bother opposition team, all is fine.

 

[Fallen King]

If both the parties agree then its a NoIssue.

I personally don't want religion to be mix with sport.

This has nothing to do with mixing with sport. Sport maybe entertainment to you but career to cricketers. Similarity in the real world, workers are accomodated for their prayers.

In real world, every companies promotes diversity to accomodate people associated with religions.

 

[miandadrules]

Spectators in UAE?

They have more on Friday then other days.

 

[Buffet]

They have more on Friday then other days.

OK, I caught only one session so far and it looked totally empty.

 

[Thivagar]

Friday prayer is must for Muslim people nor they can afford to miss lunch time either considering most of the fielders including captain stand all day long on the field facing scorching heat. Without lunch time [food]. they will pass out, yet at the same time they don't wanna miss friday prayer. Friday prayer is actually the most important for Muslim people.

As long as this doesn't bother opposition team, all is fine.

How long does it take ? Players get like 1 hr break, can't they eat in 20 mins and pray during the remaining time ?

 

[Fallen King]

How long does it take ? Players get like 1 hr break, can't they eat in 20 mins and pray during the remaining time ?

That depends on the prayer. Normally the friday prayer can be finished within 10-15 min. I am sure they gonna need lunch for consumption more than 20 mins.

 

[Zanjeer]

Keep religion away from the sport.

 

[FreeBird]

The players are in a state of travel so technically Jumma prayers is NOT obligatory on them.

I don't think it's fair to the opposition because our guys had to pray Jumma while they were in a state of travel?

If both teams and the umpires have agreed for a longer break then its a different story but still I think they should have not made this request in the first place.

Or they could have prayed 2 Farz only and would have headed back to the ground to resume the play where they could have taken turns with the substitute fielders to pray Sunnah in the dressing room.

 

[justarslan]

If both the parties agree then its a NoIssue.

I personally don't want religion to be mix with sport.

You lot are OK mixing politics with sport.

 

[justarslan]

Keep politics away from the sport.

Fixed.

 

[FreeBird]

Wait do you pray at work place too ? If cricket is just a job, then I guess those can find another job.

What do you mean? Almost all Muslims here in the U.S. that I know of pray at work.

At my last job, we used to pray in congregation 3 to 4 times a day.

The U.S. law provides two fifteen minutes legal breaks besides the lunch time so we used that.

The office management had provided us a room, and they didnt have an issue with anything.

 

[Fastandfurious]

Not a big deal, start 20 minutes early.

 

[Thivagar]

What do you mean? Almost all Muslims here in the U.S. that I know of pray at work.

At my last job, we used to pray in congregation 3 to 4 times a day.

The U.S. law provides two fifteen minutes legal breaks besides the lunch time so we used that.

The office management had provided us a room, and they didnt have an issue with anything.

One was a question in which you answered. The second one was an opinion.

 

[MenInG]

In Sharjah, the law of the land states that all business stops during Azan time. I believe there is already enough leeway being allowed for the game to happen.

Respect the local conditions and move on.

 

[mastermind_quad]

Honestly tired of listning to desis who are allways there to attack anything to do with Islam just to try to impress non-muslims. This behaviour and trying to exclude all the beautiful duties of Islam from the daily life is what have ruined our country and most other muslim countries. As long as the muslims followed the true Islam they were far far ahead of rest and when people started to do all the actions which are not in line with the teachings of Islam the humiliation reached us.

That Christians have moved on from their teachings does not mean Muslims have to do that as well, and why? To feel more at home among non-muslims?

I am really happy they have this long extra break for the Friday prayer. This doesn't hurt anyone and is a good action. And those who are saying keep religion away from cricket just dont have knowledge about Islam. Cricket is a job and like any other job you have to take out time for prayers if you follow your religion fully, no excuses there.

This has nothing to do with mixing with sport. Sport maybe entertainment to you but career to cricketers. Similarity in the real world, workers are accomodated for their prayers.

In real world, every companies promotes diversity to accomodate people associated with religions.

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

You may be right from your point of view, but you leave out one important detail, Pakistan team is Muslim team playing in Muslim land while on ground covered by majority of Muslim spectators, that includes Muslim guards as well.

You are gonna have to take many accounts into factor. Your opinion is minority, and therefore, cannot be accomodate to cause inconvenience to many parties for the sake of minority. Besides, half an hour is not a lot to ask.

As long as this doesn't cause inconvenience to opposition team, that's all it matters.

As David Warner put it in his usual diplomatic way "Local conditions" - live with it and accept it.

No Offense to Pakistani players and there supporters .

I have seen this extra long break being taken in UAE only which of course related to the people there(Grounds man ,Spectators etc). I don't think when test matches was being played in Pakistan these extra long break ever happened there. This is not a Pakistan team thing.

Pakistani PPer's here getting defensive that only Non Muslims have objection with this extra long break. They think everybody is against them and there country.
Here PP'ers are preaching about ISLAM and all ...do tell me one thing why Pakistan team never objected playing during Ramzan. I am sure Pakistani or any Muslim player don't do fasting while playing as they can't do it is not practical. Isn't unIslamic thing??

I know Muslims do prayers in the office in the school etc.. I have seen them do there prayers in college in office and its a routine and Nobody have any issue. The very good thing about those Muslims praying during work time is they do it very quietly they don't disturb anybody , they pick a room or a separate place inside/outside campus and offer their prayer and Non Muslims really amazes to see that they don't forget there prayers while doing other works.

As I said if both the parties agrees its a No Issue.

You lot are OK mixing politics with sport.

The context of this thread is based on Religion If it is on Politics then I would have said I don't like Politics to be mixed with sports.

 

[mastermind_quad]

In Sharjah, the law of the land states that all business stops during Azan time. I believe there is already enough leeway being allowed for the game to happen.

Respect the local conditions and move on.

This. Respect the local condition if other team have objection simply don't agree to play there.

 

[Lords]

Stupid Idea, what about people in the team who are not muslims. Or what about other team who is playing with you but not muslim?

You cannot punish others for your beliefs. If we go with op then they will have to give sunday off to christian team mates, and almost every day off to hindu team mates.

We can barely keep religion from politics and our society, lets not mix it with sports too now. At least one thing should be non contaminated with religion.

 

[MenInG]

Really odd to hear all kinds of religious/ideological arguments above!

This is nothing to do with what you believe in! This is a tradition in the Middle East & Pakistan. All business/life revolves round that.

Also remember that this game is for the benefit of the spectators. They need time to pray Juma then the game stops.

 

[Gollum]

We can barely keep religion from politics and our society, lets not mix it with sports too now. At least one thing should be non contaminated with religion.

Says so the guy with a cross in his avatar.

 

[MenInG]

Says so the guy with a cross in his avatar.

personal stuff not needed here. His beliefs, his choice.

 

[Itachi]

religion should be kept aside from sport. i don't care if its 20 min break or 20 hours break. i don't care about whether overs are lost or not.

it is about principle.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

This is UAE!!! Pakistan cricket's Fortress!! Prayer timing is as important as having lunch break and drinks, its done according to the organizers plan.and more importantly players haven't shown any kind of dislike towards it. Moreover this happens only on Fridays

So to the peeps around her who are whining and feeling so insecure in players taking a religious break can go choppo ghanne

 

[Itachi]

cricket has been ruined enough with the involvement of politics. last thing cricket needs is mixing up with religion.

 

[indian_sap]

Nobody goes to church though

Hahaha nailed it

 

[IAJ]

religion should be kept aside from sport. i don't care if its 20 min break or 20 hours break. i don't care about whether overs are lost or not.

it is about principle.

One thing many of you miss is that you can't keep aside Islam from your life. If you follow Islam fully your life has to be organised as Islam tells you, you can not pick and choose what your IQ tells you. When entering Islam, enter completely.
Many scholars agree upon that men has to cover they body between knees and navel, so if you follow this rule in your daily life you have to follow it when you play football for instance, hence you can't just say keep religion away from sports, you just can not do that if you are totally committed.

Islam is there with you 24 hours and all your actions, no matter what profession you are in have to be in line with the teachings of Islam.

If other religion can be kept away from certain things just don't say the same about Islam because you have to follow Islam all the time.

I am sorry, I have alot to say about this but my english is really poor and besides I am travelling now and have only my phone to type with.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It is just a matter of logistics. the least the organizers can do is to make it easy for the spectators. dont see any issue really.

 

[Itachi]

One thing many of you miss is that you can't keep aside Islam from your life. If you follow Islam fully your life has to be organised as Islam tells you, you can not pick and choose what your IQ tells you. When entering Islam, enter completely.
Many scholars agree upon that men has to cover they body between knees and navel, so if you follow this rule in your daily life you have to follow it when you play football for instance, hence you can't just say keep religion away from sports, you just can not do that if you are totally committed.

Islam is there with you 24 hours and all your actions, no matter what profession you are in have to be in line with the teachings of Islam.

If other religion can be kept away from certain things just don't say the same about Islam because you have to follow Islam all the time.

I am sorry, I have alot to say about this but my english is really poor and besides I am travelling now and have only my phone to type with.

this point would have been valid if cricket revolved around islam. but it does not. hindu, christian, jews also plays the sport.

it is same unfair as a person asks extended break from his duty at his work from his employee. will you blame that employee if he doesn't allow that break?

 

[CricketCartoons]

this point would have been valid if cricket revolved around islam. but it does not. hindu, christian, jews also plays the sport.

it is same unfair as a person asks extended break from his duty at his work from his employee. will you blame that employee if he doesn't allow that break?

The sport is there for the spectators. so the arrangements must be done from their point of view. if many take a break for prayers , as is the local custom there, it makes sense to adjust the break times so that it can be easier for the spectators.

 

[Itachi]

The sport is there for the spectators. so the arrangements must be done from their point of view. if many take a break for prayers , as is the local custom there, it makes sense to adjust the break times so that it can be easier for the spectators.

what if pak cricketers asks for a break in a place with non majority muslims?

 

[CricketCartoons]

what if pak cricketers asks for a break in a place with non majority muslims?

you didnt read my post. I talked about the spectators point of view. because ultimately the game is for them.

 

[Itachi]

you didnt read my post. I talked about the spectators point of view. because ultimately the game is for them.

my question is based on that. what if the majority of the spectators were of other religions?

 

[Robert]

Would you be happy to see some teams take Sunday morning off to go to church?

Sunday used to be the rest day in tests for this reason, but majority-Christian countries are becoming more secular, not more religious.

 

[CricketCartoons]

my question is based on that. what if the majority of the spectators were of other religions?

yes, then there is no need for special breaks. everything is (or should be) done for the benefit of the spectators.

 

[WNC]

Don't they extend the first session by half an hour? And then lunch break then is extended by only 20 minutes more? What's the problem then?

 

[MalikFan2015]

In what world does Zuhr takes more time than Jummah? Nonsense.

In the world where people only pray on Friday and attend after the Khutbah, pray Two Rakat and leave, not aware that there is Sunnat before and after too

This entire thread shows how we Pakistanis are still mental slaves. Thinking of the "West" and how they'll feel, when even they have no problems

 

[cars112]

this point would have been valid if cricket revolved around islam. but it does not. hindu, christian, jews also plays the sport.

it is same unfair as a person asks extended break from his duty at his work from his employee. will you blame that employee if he doesn't allow that break?

what if pak cricketers asks for a break in a place with non majority muslims?

my question is based on that. what if the majority of the spectators were of other religions?

Refer to MIG's post below - short and succinct and settles the debate.

As David Warner put it in his usual diplomatic way "Local conditions" - live with it and accept it.

 

[Indiafan]

Refer to MIG's post below - short and succinct and settles the debate.

Nope, live with is the worst thing anyone can say in any debate. Settles the debate indeed but more like conceding that they do not have any reason to support their stance

 

[cars112]

Nope, live with is the worst thing anyone can say in any debate. Settles the debate indeed but more like conceding that they do not have any reason to support their stance

Actually MIG in his subsequent posts has substantiated his argument very logically.

 

[Fallen King]

No Offense to Pakistani players and there supporters .

I have seen this extra long break being taken in UAE only which of course related to the people there(Grounds man ,Spectators etc). I don't think when test matches was being played in Pakistan these extra long break ever happened there. This is not a Pakistan team thing.

Pakistani PPer's here getting defensive that only Non Muslims have objection with this extra long break. They think everybody is against them and there country.
Here PP'ers are preaching about ISLAM and all ...do tell me one thing why Pakistan team never objected playing during Ramzan. I am sure Pakistani or any Muslim player don't do fasting while playing as they can't do it is not practical. Isn't unIslamic thing??

I know Muslims do prayers in the office in the school etc.. I have seen them do there prayers in college in office and its a routine and Nobody have any issue. The very good thing about those Muslims praying during work time is they do it very quietly they don't disturb anybody , they pick a room or a separate place inside/outside campus and offer their prayer and Non Muslims really amazes to see that they don't forget there prayers while doing other works.

As I said if both the parties agrees its a No Issue.



The context of this thread is based on Religion If it is on Politics then I would have said I don't like Politics to be mixed with sports.

Who is preaching Islam? The fact that they [spectators+players] are asking to be accomodate for Friday's prayer [only Friday] in Muslim land is not much to ask. This is encouraged only in Muslim lands. When Pakistan team plays overseas, Pakistan will have to follow the rules/regulations putting their religious activities aside, even if that includes Ramadan.

As long as opposition party has no problem, getting worked up over this seems to be pointless.

 

[Vulcan]

I think there should be break for Dhur, Asar and Maghrib and Esha! 10 minute break for each prayer!

 

[theariezman]

Yes.

Its our home series. We make the rules.

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[Gotham Cronie]

Looks like this match as well won't make it to Friday...

 

[alized]

If the over-rate is ahead then Umpires should allow longer breaks. But the bowing team will take advantage of this rule by discriminating the Muslim batsmen.

 

[CricketDon]

It’s simple. If religion is that important to you, don’t play. At the end of the day you make the decision of cricket over prayers. Nothing stopping you from retiring and praying uninterrupted.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Sports mustn't be interrupted by religious rituals. So no.