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Should India have forfeited the 5th Test against England?

What should be a fair conclusion of the India - England Test series?


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Good way for India to finally win a test series in England, just cancel the decisive test saying we have a Covid outbreak!:)):)) There will always be a cloud hanging over how India won this series with fans pointing out the last test was cancelled. England at least now know how Pak felt where so many tours have been cancelled. As Pak nether plays India nor in the IPL it doesn't bother me if it was to ensure the IPL is not effected.

India didn’t beat England in the series, India got handed charity.

A dark and delta asterisk on the scoreline.
 
India are in England since June . BCCI even asked them to prepone the series but they refused,there was 9 days break between 2nd & 3rd test match just for scheduling the The Hundred playoffs ..
Guess the Hypocrisy of blaming the IPL is ECB asking for a 9 days break for Hundred SF
 
India didn’t beat England in the series, India got handed charity.

A dark and delta asterisk on the scoreline.

Yeah whatever but you know fickle Indian fans will say they won the series. That it was not their fault the backroom staff got sick even if the player's didn't and were available to play!
 
India are in England since June . BCCI even asked them to prepone the series but they refused,there was 9 days break between 2nd & 3rd test match just for scheduling the The Hundred playoffs ..
Guess the Hypocrisy of blaming the IPL is ECB asking for a 9 days break for Hundred SF

A rest week is standard in a 5 test series.
 
The cancellation of the fifth Test between India and England here on Friday due to a COVID-19 outbreak in the visitors' camp has led to questions being raised over head coach Ravi Shastri's book release function in London where health safety protocols went for a toss.

It was after that book release event at a five-star facility ahead of the fourth Test that Shastri along with bowling coach Bharat Arun, fielding coach R Sridhar and physio Nitin Patel tested positive. All of them were fully vaccinated.

However, things took a turn for the worst when assistant physio Yogesh Parmar was found positive and apprehensive Indian team decided against taking the field in the match which was called off two hours before toss.

Indian captain Virat Kohli and his teammates were present at the function where outside guests were also allowed and most of them were unmasked owing to relaxation of rules across the United Kingdom.

It is learnt that neither Shastri nor Kohli took any written permission from the BCCI on attending the function at the team hotel.
"No permission was sought either from president (Sourav Ganguly) or from the secretary (Jay Shah). Perhaps they might have thought that since health safety rules have been relaxed in the UK, they didn't need permission," a senior BCCI official, privy to the developments, told PTI on conditions of anonymity.

This brings into focus, the role of team's administrative manager Girish Dongre, whose job is to ensure that all paper work and necessary protocols are in place for events like these.

"There is very little chance that Shastri and Kohli will be penalised for this act of theirs with the T20 World Cup around the corner (in October). Also Shastri is leaving for good after that.

"Kohli is the captain. May be a rap on the knuckles at best. May be it's good time to ask Dongre that what's his domain of work as an administrative manager," the official said.

It is now an open secret that skipper Virat Kohli led the players in their demand for cancellation of the match and they were successful in having their way after several rounds of talks with BCCI brass as well as England Cricket Board Chief Executive Tom Harrison who tried to convince a "visibly scared Indian skipper".

Kohli, however, would just not relent.

"The BCCI wanted them to play but such were the anxiety levels among some notable senior players that both boards were concerned about their mental health. One can understand that they were scared of another 10-day isolation and bubble life," the official said.

"But the point here is that why didn't they apply common sense when they agreed to attend Shastri's book launch where outsiders were allowed?" he asked.

That event is now being seen as a super spreader affecting four support staff members apart from Shastri.

So the question that is now being asked in the BCCI corridors is whether secretary Jay Shah's letter asking the team to avoid crowds after Rishabh Pant tested positive during the break after the World Test Championship final, was at all taken seriously?
In that particular letter, Shah had asked the players not to attend crowded events like the Wimbledon and the European Cup football, where some of the members of the contingent were seen.

"Yes, there has been relaxation in the UK but they could have avoided this gathering of outsiders. These people attended social gatherings and then when there was a case, they got scared," he said.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...eed-to-bcci-diktat-on-health-protocols/810428
 
India are in England since June . BCCI even asked them to prepone the series but they refused,there was 9 days break between 2nd & 3rd test match just for scheduling the The Hundred playoffs ..
Guess the Hypocrisy of blaming the IPL is ECB asking for a 9 days break for Hundred SF

Just drop it bro. BCCI is a freakin diva. Stop defending nonsense
 
The cancellation of the fifth Test between India and England here on Friday due to a COVID-19 outbreak in the visitors' camp has led to questions being raised over head coach Ravi Shastri's book release function in London where health safety protocols went for a toss.

It was after that book release event at a five-star facility ahead of the fourth Test that Shastri along with bowling coach Bharat Arun, fielding coach R Sridhar and physio Nitin Patel tested positive. All of them were fully vaccinated.

However, things took a turn for the worst when assistant physio Yogesh Parmar was found positive and apprehensive Indian team decided against taking the field in the match which was called off two hours before toss.

Indian captain Virat Kohli and his teammates were present at the function where outside guests were also allowed and most of them were unmasked owing to relaxation of rules across the United Kingdom.

It is learnt that neither Shastri nor Kohli took any written permission from the BCCI on attending the function at the team hotel.
"No permission was sought either from president (Sourav Ganguly) or from the secretary (Jay Shah). Perhaps they might have thought that since health safety rules have been relaxed in the UK, they didn't need permission," a senior BCCI official, privy to the developments, told PTI on conditions of anonymity.

This brings into focus, the role of team's administrative manager Girish Dongre, whose job is to ensure that all paper work and necessary protocols are in place for events like these.

"There is very little chance that Shastri and Kohli will be penalised for this act of theirs with the T20 World Cup around the corner (in October). Also Shastri is leaving for good after that.

"Kohli is the captain. May be a rap on the knuckles at best. May be it's good time to ask Dongre that what's his domain of work as an administrative manager," the official said.

It is now an open secret that skipper Virat Kohli led the players in their demand for cancellation of the match and they were successful in having their way after several rounds of talks with BCCI brass as well as England Cricket Board Chief Executive Tom Harrison who tried to convince a "visibly scared Indian skipper".

Kohli, however, would just not relent.

"The BCCI wanted them to play but such were the anxiety levels among some notable senior players that both boards were concerned about their mental health. One can understand that they were scared of another 10-day isolation and bubble life," the official said.

"But the point here is that why didn't they apply common sense when they agreed to attend Shastri's book launch where outsiders were allowed?" he asked.

That event is now being seen as a super spreader affecting four support staff members apart from Shastri.

So the question that is now being asked in the BCCI corridors is whether secretary Jay Shah's letter asking the team to avoid crowds after Rishabh Pant tested positive during the break after the World Test Championship final, was at all taken seriously?
In that particular letter, Shah had asked the players not to attend crowded events like the Wimbledon and the European Cup football, where some of the members of the contingent were seen.

"Yes, there has been relaxation in the UK but they could have avoided this gathering of outsiders. These people attended social gatherings and then when there was a case, they got scared," he said.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...eed-to-bcci-diktat-on-health-protocols/810428

Shameless. Totally shameless! First you break the protocols yourself, and then you act you are scared #hitless due to Covid? Wth??

Kohli was so visibly scared due to Covid? Are you freakin kidding me??

I cannot believe that a team can get away with this. This nothing but forfeiting a game!

And then they compare themselves to the Australia of the 90s. This kind of poser attitude is what separates this lot with the Aussie! What a bunch of wussies!
 
ECB should push the point at the ICC. If BCCI pulled out (for reasons which to me are less related to COVID safety and more related to the big bucks of the IPL) only to reschedule, then the fifth test should be the fifth test regardless of when it is played, not a one-off.

I doubt this would happen. ECB wants the big bucks too remember.

Ultimately game has gone into the dirt. No boards exist who care about anything but money.
 
India could put out a full test team with no players testing positive so there was no reason to not play

Of course india should forfeit You decide not to play a game on the morning of a test You forfeit
 
"No permission was sought either from president (Sourav Ganguly) or from the secretary (Jay Shah). Perhaps they might have thought that since health safety rules have been relaxed in the UK, they didn't need permission," a senior BCCI official, privy to the developments, told PTI on conditions of anonymity.

Board official should should be doing better than “Perhaps they thought”.

There should have been proper guidelines provided by BCCI as to what extent the team can intermingle. Going to different events was always going to be risky.

One can blame ECB as much as one wants that why didn’t they forced Indian team into a bubble but, there are protocols and directions set within the visiting team camp as well rather than just going with the regulations followed by general public in the country.
 
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Should definitely be a forfeiture as India made the decision not to play and not match officials.

But the English are running scared due to the financial clout of the BCCI.
 
“Visibly scared Indian skipper”?

Well there better be no case amongst any staff of any team in IPL or World T20, you dont want to scare players playing the game. It was just support staff cant imagine what Virat would have gone through in IPL where even players got covid.

There were few players which left IPL due to rising cases if I am not wrong including Ashwin but, Virat was not one of those. Maybe he has got some scary revolutions regarding Covid just before the 5th test which he didnt know about before. Also not sure how many of those anxious senior players left first half of IPL alongside Ashwin.
 
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If these same players miss the start of IPL, then fair enough. Otherwise it should be forfeit by BCCI.
 
Did England forfeit a single game when they left the South Africa tour midway? Or is there a separate rule for them?

Double standards are amazing, there is a corona clause which is a valid reason to cancel the match. And BCCI is keen to play the test next year to compensate ECB, Ganguly is going to London next week to present this proposal.

Pretty low if England wants to win a test this way rather than settling it on the field.

The physio who tested positive day before yesterday had worked on several players before this test, so there is a big risk for entire Indian squad and family members.

ECB never had a bio-bubble in place. That they never took it seriously can be gauged by the fact that Jarvo managed to make it to the field every test.
 
“Visibly scared Indian skipper”?

Well there better be no case amongst any staff of any team in IPL or World T20, you dont want to scare players playing the game. It was just support staff cant imagine what Virat would have gone through in IPL where even players got covid.

There were few players which left IPL due to rising cases if I am not wrong including Ashwin but, Virat was not one of those. Maybe he has got some scary revolutions regarding Covid just before the 5th test which he didnt know about before. Also not sure how many of those anxious senior players left first half of IPL alongside Ashwin.

Difference is that the families are with the players in England including unvaccinated children. It is understandable that fans are upset to miss out on some entertainment but is a match more important than lives of players and their families?

Ashwin left the IPL because 10 members of his family in Chennai (including 4 children) were hit by the virus. Among those infected were his two young girls, father, both in-laws, brother. What would you have done if you were in Ashwin's position?
 
On a positive note, the game that probably would have washed out might be fully played next year and we will get the final series result.
 
India has been in England since June first week, because of the WTC final.

June, July, August, now almost half of September. BCCI requested ECB to finish the test series sooner, but no, ECB had to push The Hundred in between. Root, Moeen and some other players even played that tournament in between the second and third tests, 10 days gap I think. Greed of ECB can't be underestimated here. imagine if India had done something similar, like a few IPL games between 2 home tests making the opponent spend extra 10 days in India, how would that play out?

ECB can whine about the millions lost, but what about the 100s of millions gained in the 4 previous tests? And India is set to tour England again next year making ECB a few hundred million pounds richer again.
 
Here on this forum, on social media, on cricket related websites, English pundits/experts, nobody is willing to talk about how England pulled out of South Africa tour causing a huge financial loss to CSA. One would believe such a thing never happened. Anyway the right thing was done, and most decent people would empathize with the English in that situation.

But if they want a forfeit here, if they want to extort some money out of BCCI, the hypocrisy should be
pointed out.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">England were within their rights back then and so are India now. If anything India honoured their commitment and completed the Oval test despite entire coaching staff getting positive during the game. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvsIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvsIND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/perspective?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#perspective</a> <a href="https://t.co/F2LBQ8gDSA">pic.twitter.com/F2LBQ8gDSA</a></p>— Wasim Jaffer (@WasimJaffer14) <a href="https://twitter.com/WasimJaffer14/status/1436237071459389442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
England have a great chance to win the test next year making it 2-2.

If it is a one off test scheduled between the NZ and SA series, we will be undercooked, lack match practice, familiarity with conditions. Eng will be battle-hardened after 3 tough tests against NZ and may have the services of Stokes, Broad and Archer by then. England will be heavy favorites in such a situation, BCCI is offering that option to ECB. ECB almost always plays 7 tests in a home summer, they are playing 6 next year, so why not include the India test?

I think this act of grandstanding by ECB is to extort some money from BCCI and maybe force BCCI to provide Indian star players for next years The Hundred.
 
And then they compare themselves to the Australia of the 90s. This kind of poser attitude is what separates this lot with the Aussie! What a bunch of wussies!

Nobody sensible compares this India to that great Australian team.

But since you appear to be such a big fan of them, could you explain why that Australian team never toured Pakistan after 1998? Were they posers? Scared? What could be the underlying reason? I don' think there was any enmity at the political level or ban from Australian government.

Do you think they were being divas? Or wussies?

India, Eng, SA, NZ, WI, SL all toured Pakistan multiple times after 1998. But no sign of 'brave' Aussies.
 
On a positive note, the game that probably would have washed out might be fully played next year and we will get the final series result.

I personally don't feel that a test played after a year is really part of the same series. Different squad, different form, different conditions... It is not really the same series.

Yeah, one test may happen later instead of 2 days of rain.
 
Here on this forum, on social media, on cricket related websites, English pundits/experts, nobody is willing to talk about how England pulled out of South Africa tour causing a huge financial loss to CSA. One would believe such a thing never happened. Anyway the right thing was done, and most decent people would empathize with the English in that situation.

But if they want a forfeit here, if they want to extort some money out of BCCI, the hypocrisy should be
pointed out.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">England were within their rights back then and so are India now. If anything India honoured their commitment and completed the Oval test despite entire coaching staff getting positive during the game. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvsIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvsIND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/perspective?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#perspective</a> <a href="https://t.co/F2LBQ8gDSA">pic.twitter.com/F2LBQ8gDSA</a></p>— Wasim Jaffer (@WasimJaffer14) <a href="https://twitter.com/WasimJaffer14/status/1436237071459389442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Leave it out. The tweet was from Dec 2020; nations were in lockdown then, and the vaccines for the most part were under development, if not, then being rolled out in various nations.

You are comparing apples with bananas.

Speaking of vaccines, aren't any members of the Indian team vaccinated? A prerequisite for air travel?

I guess the indian vaccine was a knock off after all.
 
Leave it out. The tweet was from Dec 2020; nations were in lockdown then, and the vaccines for the most part were under development, if not, then being rolled out in various nations.

You are comparing apples with bananas.

Speaking of vaccines, aren't any members of the Indian team vaccinated? A prerequisite for air travel?

I guess the indian vaccine was a knock off after all.

Vaccines don't prevent infection. they just help you fight it better, prevent serious medical conditions but again there are exceptions and delta variant has made things more tricky.

Besides players are travelling with their families including young children who are unvaccinated. All are staying in the same hotel. Bringing families became necessary because the squad has been in England for a long time, since start of June. There was a needless 10 days gap between 2 tests because of The Hundred. This series should have been wrapped up much earlier.
 
Vaccines don't prevent infection. they just help you fight it better, prevent serious medical conditions but again there are exceptions and delta variant has made things more tricky.

Besides players are travelling with their families including young children who are unvaccinated. All are staying in the same hotel. Bringing families became necessary because the squad has been in England for a long time, since start of June. There was a needless 10 days gap between 2 tests because of The Hundred. This series should have been wrapped up much earlier.

Children do not need to be vaccinated for air travel, but wives etc do. Still were familes stuck in hotels, or were they permitted to go out for activities such as shopping?

The point of the 10 day gap is irrelevant, had the IPL not been rescheduled then we wouldn't be talking about gaps.
 
The ICC in their World Test Championship terms have clearly stated that a COVID19 outbreak within a team is an acceptable reason for a Test match to be abandoned or postponed for later and not forfeited.
 
All the players from India & England will be undergoing 6-day quarantine before joining the team bubble in IPL 2021.
 
The Test will be rescheduled and rightly so. Its a pity the series had to end this way but if there were cases, then there was no way out. The Indian management were accommodative of the English asking for a 9 day break after one of the tests to accommodate play offs of the The Hundred, had that not happened, the series would have been done and dusted by now.

This doesn't absolve blame from the Indian management and anybody found to break protocol must be strictly reprimanded even punished, like the Lankans did.
 
Indians fans as so immune to the toxic behavior of the BCCI that they'll blindly defend anything Indian..

IPL can happen with multiple active covid cases but Kohli gets visibly scared of a member of their coaching staff gets the virus; that too because of their own freakin fault!
 
I personally don't feel that a test played after a year is really part of the same series. Different squad, different form, different conditions... It is not really the same series.

Yeah, one test may happen later instead of 2 days of rain.

I think it will not be part of this series. It will be a one-off match. They will play this match only for "financial compensation" purpose! Hence these 2 series would be two separate series! In that sense India has already won the current series. If they win that one-off match also, then they would have won 2 exclusive series. If England win that match, then they will be winning that single-match series. If this is not the case, then it will become meaningless!
 
Indians fans as so immune to the toxic behavior of the BCCI that they'll blindly defend anything Indian..

IPL can happen with multiple active covid cases but Kohli gets visibly scared of a member of their coaching staff gets the virus; that too because of their own freakin fault!

By the same token, Pakistani posters were ripping into the BCCI for conducting the IPL despite a full blown covid outbreak in the country, but at the same time want the Indian team to play the test despite the entire coaching setup getting wiped out from the team management due to a covid outbreak. Let's face it, Indian posters are biased towards the BCCI for the same obvious reason that the Pakistanis are biased against the Indian team. It's called prejudice and parochialism. Let's face it, there's hardly anyone objective in any cricket forum, where you tend to get partisan support for their own sides and against their rival sides.

My stance has been the same. I was dead against the IPL happening when so many people were dying in the streets and India was grappling with a covid wave in the country and I think it would have been stupid to go ahead with the final test with the entire coaching setup testing positive for covid infection. These players were close contacts with the coaches and physios who tested positive (you can't do physiotherapy at a distance) and it would have been utterly foolish to go ahead with the test with a covid outbreak within the team.
 
At this point, it not even about English pride of 2-2 etc, if anything India had the momentum but about the cancellation, - ECB is concerned about financial falldown and the language used
If India can simply say, we will play next year or whatever then it works out everything

For those bad mouthing BCCI - think about it as your own business, IPL is hige and they have franchises and stakeholder involved, they gave to see that balance too

Money is above all - please, lets not beat the bush here
 
Good way for India to finally win a test series in England, just cancel the decisive test saying we have a Covid outbreak!:)):)) There will always be a cloud hanging over how India won this series with fans pointing out the last test was cancelled. England at least now know how Pak felt where so many tours have been cancelled. As Pak nether plays India nor in the IPL it doesn't bother me if it was to ensure the IPL is not effected.

Yeah, this alleged win has no legitimacy.
 
I think it will not be part of this series. It will be a one-off match. They will play this match only for "financial compensation" purpose! Hence these 2 series would be two separate series! In that sense India has already won the current series. If they win that one-off match also, then they would have won 2 exclusive series. If England win that match, then they will be winning that single-match series. If this is not the case, then it will become meaningless!
You are thinking too much. Relax. India and England won't play a seperate series of only 1 test match lol. If this test is rescheduled it will be part of the just concluded test series. ECB, BCCI and ICC are working on it because WTC points are also on the line. :inti
 
Just have a 1 one off test next year in Manchester & may be 1 extra T20 as well to offset financial loss and end the matter

Little point in beating the bush. Covid is a dangerous reality of the times we live in. It hardly matters whether the series ended 2-1 or 2-2
 
Here on this forum, on social media, on cricket related websites, English pundits/experts, nobody is willing to talk about how England pulled out of South Africa tour causing a huge financial loss to CSA. One would believe such a thing never happened. Anyway the right thing was done, and most decent people would empathize with the English in that situation.

But if they want a forfeit here, if they want to extort some money out of BCCI, the hypocrisy should be
pointed out.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">England were within their rights back then and so are India now. If anything India honoured their commitment and completed the Oval test despite entire coaching staff getting positive during the game. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvsIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvsIND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/perspective?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#perspective</a> <a href="https://t.co/F2LBQ8gDSA">pic.twitter.com/F2LBQ8gDSA</a></p>— Wasim Jaffer (@WasimJaffer14) <a href="https://twitter.com/WasimJaffer14/status/1436237071459389442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The cancellation in SA was a mutual decision between the 2 boards with the South African party admitting they hasn't followed the agreed biosecurity rules.
 
England have a great chance to win the test next year making it 2-2.

If it is a one off test scheduled between the NZ and SA series, we will be undercooked, lack match practice, familiarity with conditions. Eng will be battle-hardened after 3 tough tests against NZ and may have the services of Stokes, Broad and Archer by then. England will be heavy favorites in such a situation, BCCI is offering that option to ECB. ECB almost always plays 7 tests in a home summer, they are playing 6 next year, so why not include the India test?

I think this act of grandstanding by ECB is to extort some money from BCCI and maybe force BCCI to provide Indian star players for next years The Hundred.

Why should the hundred take a hit because of India's cancellation and unwillingness to compromise and have the IPL take a hit instead?
 
India has been in England since June first week, because of the WTC final.

June, July, August, now almost half of September. BCCI requested ECB to finish the test series sooner, but no, ECB had to push The Hundred in between. Root, Moeen and some other players even played that tournament in between the second and third tests, 10 days gap I think. Greed of ECB can't be underestimated here. imagine if India had done something similar, like a few IPL games between 2 home tests making the opponent spend extra 10 days in India, how would that play out?

ECB can whine about the millions lost, but what about the 100s of millions gained in the 4 previous tests? And India is set to tour England again next year making ECB a few hundred million pounds richer again.

A rest week in a 5 game is standard. Moeen was the only player that played during it having only just came into the squad.
 
:)))

You keep repeating this buddy.

The statement from the ECB and CSA:

"The decision was taken jointly by the two boards to ensure the mental and physical health and welfare of players from both teams."
 
The statement from the ECB and CSA:

"The decision was taken jointly by the two boards to ensure the mental and physical health and welfare of players from both teams."

Sure, nothing makes me believe so much as an anodyne corporate statement.
 
Unlike Indian cricketers, ENG players repeatedly violated bubble protocol to play golf in SA.

Very happy to see KP and Vaughan acknowledge that ECB are in no position to moan about it.
 
The ICC in their World Test Championship terms have clearly stated that a COVID19 outbreak within a team is an acceptable reason for a Test match to be abandoned or postponed for later and not forfeited.

Correct.

There is no covid outbreak in the team though. They all tested negative and they could have fielded a team.
 
Correct.

There is no covid outbreak in the team though. They all tested negative and they could have fielded a team.

Incorrect. BCCI statement clearly says there's a Covid outbreak. This is not your village cricket where the players themselves have to test positive. The whole support cast is down and isolated. With WTC points at stake, no team would take field in such circumstances especially with the overarching fear that they themselves could return a positive test in a day or two.

ECB have been clever to peddle the lie that this test was abandoned because of ''fear'' of covid outbreak. But BCCI's own statement is clear there was a covid outbreak in the contingent with possibility of more positive cases not ruled out.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ECB Chief Executive Tom Harrison also attended Ravi Shastri's book launch <a href="https://t.co/mpc5VKXLe1">https://t.co/mpc5VKXLe1</a></p>— Will Macpherson (@willis_macp) <a href="https://twitter.com/willis_macp/status/1436355675463065604?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Book launch approval from the top.
 
Not India's fault if ECB couldn't negotiate a better insurance cover.
 
I waited before voting.
Wanted to get all the information and opinions on this.

India should forfeit the match.
They prioritised IPL
 
Because BCCI trusted ECB - the hosts - to craft the right protocols that ensures the safety of everyone involved? Because they took ECB on their word that the covid situation in UK paired with vaccinations was enough to allow the series to be completed without so much as a hiccup.

The ECB are completely responsible for the guidelines and protocols, and the risk if completely theirs. BCCI are at fault only if the Indian players were to violate the said protocols. ECB has still not said *ANY* Indian player/coaching staff were in violation of the protocols.

So BCCI has every ground to sue the ECB for not having the right protocols/safety measures in place and endagering lives.

Ecb is completely responsible for the guidance correct, after the book launch india were reminded of the guidance, a few players were then found to be roaming around Manchester even after they were told to stay in the hotel. If Indians want to act irresponsibly fair enough but then don’t make absurd claims like india should sue ECB, if anyone’s getting sued here it’s going to be the bcci for their incompetence and running away.
 
India should play Eng on a future date and settle the matter once and for all.
If they lose, so be it though all indicator show that India was the superior team to England.
 
Ecb is completely responsible for the guidance correct, after the book launch india were reminded of the guidance, a few players were then found to be roaming around Manchester even after they were told to stay in the hotel. If Indians want to act irresponsibly fair enough but then don’t make absurd claims like india should sue ECB, if anyone’s getting sued here it’s going to be the bcci for their incompetence and running away.

Hold on. ECB chief attended the book launch. ECB had that drunk jarvo mingling with players. No restrictions on crowd without masks. So exactly where did BCCI act irresponsibly? Not even the ECB has the courage to say Indian players were at fault roaming around town. They did because ECB was cool with it.

BCCI has every ground to sue ECB till it's bankrupt.
 
International cricket is fast becoming a joke, I think il stick to following lancs rather than this Greed fest.
 
Hold on. ECB chief attended the book launch. ECB had that drunk jarvo mingling with players. No restrictions on crowd without masks. So exactly where did BCCI act irresponsibly? Not even the ECB has the courage to say Indian players were at fault roaming around town. They did because ECB was cool with it.

BCCI has every ground to sue ECB till it's bankrupt.

Like I keep mentioning and others have mentioned, uk is not in lockdown, there’s no legal requirement to do anything from ecb, do you even know how the suing process works.

After the book signing bcci even told their players to make sure they stay in hotels, the players themselves did not listen to bcci guidance, who’s fault is that, not the ecb.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">IPL teams chartering planes .. 6 days quarantining required in the UAE .. 7 days till the tournament starts !!!! Don’t tell me the Test was cancelled for any other reason but the IPL ..</p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1436637031191519235?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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India clearly cancelled it to protect their IPL purse.

It's one of the reasons why cricket is dying (in nearly every country) and is becoming unwatchable.

BCCI have destroyed international cricket.

This is a sign that test cricket is about to die and IPL/franchise cricket is going to take over.
 
Difference is that the families are with the players in England including unvaccinated children. It is understandable that fans are upset to miss out on some entertainment but is a match more important than lives of players and their families?

Ashwin left the IPL because 10 members of his family in Chennai (including 4 children) were hit by the virus. Among those infected were his two young girls, father, both in-laws, brother. What would you have done if you were in Ashwin's position?

But families were with the players in IPL 2021 as well based upon many articles

https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cric...unished-for-bubble-breach/article35785115.ece

So I am not sure about the difference. Your point is fair that having family with you change the dynamics of such situations big time but, how can decision making and your reactions can be this inconsistent unless I am missing something.
 
India clearly cancelled it to protect their IPL purse.

It's one of the reasons why cricket is dying (in nearly every country) and is becoming unwatchable.

BCCI have destroyed international cricket.

This is a sign that test cricket is about to die and IPL/franchise cricket is going to take over.

India and Indian players have prioritised test cricket more than than any other nations players. Infact test cricket is alive because of Indian support.
Other countries should start doing the same rather than a customary 2 test series and bulk odi and t20 series
 
India and Indian players have prioritised test cricket more than than any other nations players. Infact test cricket is alive because of Indian support.
Other countries should start doing the same rather than a customary 2 test series and bulk odi and t20 series

Prioritised??? Do they have Test cricket duties taking place during IPL?
 
Is amusing to see some people still trying to defend and rationalise this move.
 
If there's a requirement of 6 days quarantine in UAE then it's quite clear from this that this was a sinister move by BCCI
Although players should not be blamed for this they are merely doing what their mighty Board is dictating. Basically, Zero fault of players.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">IPL teams chartering planes .. 6 days quarantining required in the UAE .. 7 days till the tournament starts !!!! Don’t tell me the Test was cancelled for any other reason but the IPL ..</p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1436637031191519235?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Then ideally what they should do? Need to stay in the UK forever? It's the best practical idea to move into UAE and be in 6 day quarantine and play the IPL.
 
Then ideally what they should do? Need to stay in the UK forever? It's the best practical idea to move into UAE and be in 6 day quarantine and play the IPL.

Stay in the UK and play the test match...
The players did afterall test negative.
 
Stay in the UK and play the test match...
The players did afterall test negative.

If it was LOI,you'd be right.

But incubation period is 3-4 days, anyone of them could have tested positive in middle of match and be super spreader. Highly likely.
 
If it was LOI,you'd be right.

But incubation period is 3-4 days, anyone of them could have tested positive in middle of match and be super spreader. Highly likely.

If that happened I'm sure these same poster would have even criticized BCCI. They said why not bcci cancel that test if they have few close contact to covid positive person .lol
 
If there's a requirement of 6 days quarantine in UAE then it's quite clear from this that this was a sinister move by BCCI
Although players should not be blamed for this they are merely doing what their mighty Board is dictating. Basically, Zero fault of players.

Yes, the players aren't at fault at all. We must also understand their anxiety of being exposed to the virus.
 
With so much hypocrisy it's difficult to feel sympathy for anyone in this whole sordid affair. Both of these boards and teams treat others with contempt and yesterday their actions ended up in conflict with each other.
 
If it was LOI,you'd be right.

But incubation period is 3-4 days, anyone of them could have tested positive in middle of match and be super spreader. Highly likely.

So then how could they fly out today?
Why but delay the start if the test match by a day or two?
 
So then how could they fly out today?
Why but delay the start if the test match by a day or two?

Why would they do that when they have other commitments in few days time. ECB was requested to prepone the Test or reduce gap between 2nd and 3rd Tests but they didn't do it due to the Hundred,so why should India accomodate others?

And what's the point of staying in England if the tour is over. They can still be covid positive upon landing in UAE and would miss few matches in that case.
 
Why would they do that when they have other commitments in few days time. ECB was requested to prepone the Test or reduce gap between 2nd and 3rd Tests but they didn't do it due to the Hundred,so why should India accomodate others?

And what's the point of staying in England if the tour is over. They can still be covid positive upon landing in UAE and would miss few matches in that case.

So let's recap.
India pulled out due to IPL
This was a scheduled test series with dates agreed between the boards. It matters not what BCCai asked for, it is what they finally agreed upon.

Just say it like it is.
 
ECB have written to the ICC to ask them to start the fate of the India vs England Test series.
 
Why would they do that when they have other commitments in few days time. ECB was requested to prepone the Test or reduce gap between 2nd and 3rd Tests but they didn't do it due to the Hundred,so why should India accomodate others?

And what's the point of staying in England if the tour is over. They can still be covid positive upon landing in UAE and would miss few matches in that case.

Seriously lol? You are making it seem like it was preplanned by BCCI that they will leave after the 4th test. It was certainly not the case because both teams were getting ready to play the 5th test. :inti
 
So let's recap.
India pulled out due to IPL
This was a scheduled test series with dates agreed between the boards. It matters not what BCCai asked for, it is what they finally agreed upon.

Just say it like it is.

Exactly lol. I was also surprised to read his opinion. Both teams were ready to play the 5th test. India pulling out of 5th test due to other reasons which are known to them only. :inti
 
Exactly lol. I was also surprised to read his opinion. Both teams were ready to play the 5th test. India pulling out of 5th test due to other reasons which are known to them only. :inti

Ok let's assume india play Manchester test and someone from indian playing eleven came covid positive on day 3 or 4,5. Therefore some close contact of both teams later also find covid positive. What was your reaction then ?
 
Ok let's assume india play Manchester test and someone from indian playing eleven came covid positive on day 3 or 4,5. Therefore some close contact of both teams later also find covid positive. What was your reaction then ?

In this instance they don't forfeit the game
 
In this instance they don't forfeit the game

Don't care about results just tell me what is your reaction about BCCI . I'm sure you guys still criticized BCCI like why they not cencel this test knowing their player's have closed contact with covid positive person.
 
Don't care about results just tell me what is your reaction about BCCI . I'm sure you guys still criticized BCCI like why they not cencel this test knowing their player's have closed contact with covid positive person.

Match was cancelled due to IPL.
End of.

Most of us can live with it and those that can't will get over it.
It may eventually lead to the death of test cricket but that's for another thread.
 
Match was cancelled due to IPL.
End of.

Most of us can live with it and those that can't will get over it.
It may eventually lead to the death of test cricket but that's for another thread.

Answer my question don't deflect its. Because of same reason which i mentioned ,this test was cancelled
 
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Answer my question don't deflect its. Because of same reason which i mentioned ,this test was cancelled

What question?
About BCCi?

Why would I have a reaction against the BCCi?

I have preconceived views of the BCCi but this incident has changed that view...
I'm more interest in the hypocrisy.
 
Ok let's assume india play Manchester test and someone from indian playing eleven came covid positive on day 3 or 4,5. Therefore some close contact of both teams later also find covid positive. What was your reaction then ?

Reports of all players came negative just before the match so there is nothing to assume. If that is how you are thinking then BCCI should also cancel IPL. Shouldn't they? :inti
 
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