Should Madrassahs be utiliized to produce next generation of police officers, lawyers, judges?

[MenInG]

Have been having this debate with some people on the side who say that Madrassah's get bad press and are actually nurseries for actual useful work in this world.

One option is to use them to produce lawyers and policeman who are grounded in Shariah and religion.

Do you agree?

 

[Mian]

PTI govt in KP is already trying that with their Madrassah reforms. You can't just alienate them there are millions of children in Madrassash. Either state take responsibility of their education, food and health or reform their current Madrassahs so they also get proper education while studying there.

 

[MenInG]

PTI govt in KP is already trying that with their Madrassah reforms. You can't just alienate them there are millions of children in Madrassash. Either state take responsibility of their education, food and health or reform their current Madrassahs so they also get proper education while studying there.

Also Madrassahs are boarding schools by their nature. That must require special care as is

 

[DeadBall]

Lawyers and policemen? We saw what happened in Saudi Arabia with the Sharia Lawyers and the Hai'a 3n il munkar religious police, with people either getting beaten to a pulp by one or beheaded due to another. Better to invest in actual education otherwise this cycle will continue for time immemorial.

 

[Syed1]

I do not understand why we would restrict one segment of society to certain profession. In an ideal world every child born in Pakistan should have equal opportunity to follow whichever profession they desire.


Heck we should leave behind these madrassas in the 19th century where they belong. Convert these madrassas into public schools and if certain students want extra deeni ta'aleem then the schools should have provisions for that.

 

[sjahmed23]

I would say make them all software coders and do what india is doing with coding and IT sweat shops.

 

[www787]

First, let’s acknowledge and be true about that no Muslim country implemented Sharia law. Most have implemented dictatorship and monarchy.

Wahhabism needs to be eliminated and modern education needs to be implemented in Madrassah.

You can’t ignore these kids and currently only government has taken the initiative, is KPK government.

About being police or lawyer. Proper exam and criteria should be required to be one, if they pass then why not?

 

[DeadBall]

First, let’s acknowledge and be true about that no Muslim country implemented Sharia law. Most have implemented dictatorship and monarchy.

Wahhabism needs to be eliminated and modern education needs to be implemented in Madrassah.

You can’t ignore these kids and currently only government has taken the initiative, is KPK government.

About being police or lawyer. Proper exam and criteria should be required to be one, if they pass then why not?

Forget Wahabbism. Without going into tarjumahs and tafseers it is clearly stated in the Quran that the hands of a thief should be cut off. You OK with that in this current day and age?

5.38. And for the thief, male or female: cut off their hands as a recompense for what they have earned, and an exemplary deterrent punishment from God. God is All-Glorious with irresistible might, All-Wise.

 

[www787]

Forget Wahabbism. Without going into tarjumahs and tafseers it is clearly stated in the Quran that the hands of a thief should be cut off. You OK with that in this current day and age?

5.38. And for the thief, male or female: cut off their hands as a recompense for what they have earned, and an exemplary deterrent punishment from God. God is All-Glorious with irresistible might, All-Wise.

How many times the hand of theives in Pakistan was cut off for stealing ?

I can say for certain, 90 % of hafiz in Pakistan can’t interpret Qu’ran, they can recite it from cover to cover in Arabic but do not understand the word of Arabic.

Islam encourages to use wisdom.

The word “ ijthihad” should be understood when applying certain Islamic laws.

 

[DeadBall]

How many times the hand of theives in Pakistan was cut off for stealing ?

I can say for certain, 90 % of hafiz in Pakistan can’t interpret Qu’ran, they can recite it from cover to cover in Arabic but do not understand the word of Arabic.

Islam encourages to use wisdom.

The word “ ijthihad” should be understood when applying certain Islamic laws.

Knew this diversion tactic was coming. That's why I said not to bring tafseers, ijtihads etc into it and also my reason for using Saudi Arabia as an example. It is explicitly mentioned in the Quran that amputation is the penalty for thievery and that is the divine, uncorruptable, true word of God and holds precedence over all ahadeeth, tafseers, ijtihads etc. It is there in black and white and as long as you enforce true Sharia law (How many times it happened in Pakistan is not a defence as most don't even know Sharia law themselves) then no can stop it.

 

[www787]

Knew this diversion tactic was coming. That's why I said not to bring tafseers, ijtihads etc into it and also my reason for using Saudi Arabia as an example. It is explicitly mentioned in the Quran that amputation is the penalty for thievery and that is the divine, uncorruptable, true word of God and holds precedence over all ahadeeth, tafseers, ijtihads etc. It is there in black and white and as long as you enforce true Sharia law (How many times it happened in Pakistan is not a defence as most don't even know Sharia law themselves) then no can stop it.

How is this diversion?

Do you understand what ijtihad mean?

And if you’re asking for my opinion on cutting the hands off in current time, then I do not agree with this law.

 

[Waseem]

Madrassahs do produce lawyers, judges, policemen etc but most struggle to earn enough to support their families.

We need to pay special attention to millions learning in madrassahs and also change this mentality that by investing in madrassahs and making reforms, we are supporting terrorists.

 

[DeadBall]

How is this diversion?

Do you understand what ijtihad mean?

And if you’re asking for my opinion on cutting the hands off in current time, then I do not agree with this law.

How is this diversion?

Do you understand what ijtihad mean?

And if you’re asking for my opinion on cutting the hands off in current time, then I do not agree with this law.

I have actually studied Fiqh. I do know what Ijtihad (unlike taqleed) means, it comes from the same base word as Jihaad which means struggle/effort but in the this context it means struggling or making an effort to finding legal solutions based on the Quran and Ahadeeth. My point was that Quran is the first and foremost authority as it is the direct word of God and takes precedence over everything else, this ijtihad nonsense and what not is just usual religious hypocrisy trying to the fool the (religiously or otherwise) illiterate masses.

If God in all his wisdom did declare that thieves should be amputated why did he not personally lay down the associated terms and conditions too?

And how do you not agree to this law, you think you know better than God on a matter he was actually not that ambiguous about for once?

 

[www787]

I have actually studied Fiqh. I do know what Ijtihad (unlike taqleed) means, it comes from the same base word as Jihaad which means struggle/effort but in the this context it means struggling or making an effort to finding legal solutions based on the Quran and Ahadeeth. My point was that Quran is the first and foremost authority as it is the direct word of God and takes precedence over everything else, this ijtihad nonsense and what not is just usual religious hypocrisy trying to the fool the (religiously or otherwise) illiterate masses.

If God in all his wisdom did declare that thieves should be amputated why did he not personally lay down the associated terms and conditions too?

And how do you not agree to this law, you think you know better than God on a matter he was actually not that ambiguous about for once?

My understanding is that you do not understand what ijthihad mean.

 

[JaDed]

Religion should be kept inside doors ,influencing country and children's brain development with religion shouldn't be allowed.

 

[Greenstorm]

There should be uniform educational curriculum in all of Pakistan. Right now there are O/A levels, matric/FSC, Madrassahs. Non of them are ideal educational systems for our country and are creating divide among people.

 

[hussain.r97]

There should be uniform educational curriculum in all of Pakistan. Right now there are O/A levels, matric/FSC, Madrassahs. Non of them are ideal educational systems for our country and are creating divide among people.

Agreed. These madrassahs should be made to teach a uniform curriculum. If they want to teach religious studies, they can offer it as an extra subject.

 

[DeadBall]

My understanding is that you do not understand what ijthihad mean.

Please enlighten me.

 

[www787]

Please enlighten me.

No! You can buy a book or google it.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Well good luck defending those in the courts who are accused of blasphemy.

 

[PakLFC]

Madraassa's should also teach other subjects other then Islamic jurisprudence. People who study in them often come out knowing very little of the world they live in. They seem to have little practical knowledge and develop a "us against them" attitude in regards to Muslims and non-Muslims. To prepare them for professional careers as the OP suggests madrassa's have to be reformed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Agreed. These madrassahs should be made to teach a uniform curriculum. If they want to teach religious studies, they can offer it as an extra subject.

How are madrassas funded? I read that it's the poorer people who send their kids there, so I'm assuming there isn't an alternative school available which would teach an orthodox curriculum?

 

[DeadBall]

No! You can buy a book or google it.

I have extensively studied the subject and also gave you the definition which you claimed I did not understand correctly so I have asked for your understanding as it clearly seems to be superior.