Should modern day openers score at at least run-a-ball if they hit a ton? (Re Tamim 128 against Eng)

[hafeezrocks]

This is not a thread to criticize Tamim because not only was his knock outstanding but the one which has given an outside chance to Bangladesh.

But as fans would know the modern day Cricket demands a score of 330+ against a side like England to have a decent chance so it's a problem when one batsman plays half of the balls in the innings and doesn't manage to get through the 100 S/R and thus leaving insufficient time for rest of his team-mates to make up for it.

Should the Opening Batsman emphasize on getting a ton at a S/R of 100 ? Because if you score a ton in 120-125 balls, you make it much more difficult for yourself to make up for the dot deliveries in the end and once you get out, you leave very little time for rest of the batsmen to get adjusted to wicket thus resulting in a low par score which is exactly what happened today with Bangladesh. Bangladesh had lost only 2 wickets for the major part of the innings but experienced a collapse in the end.

This is not about any one batsman but modern day openers because the middle order batsmen could be excused to play below run a ball if a collapse has happened at the top but openers are playing it fresh.

I think I will take two openers scoring 60( 55) and 75( 70 ) and getting out before the 25 overs thus laying a solid platform for incoming batters over one opener getting a ton in 120 balls and leaving no time for others.

Opinions?

 

[Major]

His team got 305 from 300 balls, so thats good enough.

Now a days i see alot of posters bashing teams for not scoring run a ball and what so ever. And i think such bashing is ridiculous.

Before you start writing a post, always look at the team you are talking about, their history, where they belong from etc, their strengths.

You cannot bash a team like Bangladesh for this, as they are an improving side, they are marching up the tables. They haven't reached the peak, but they are climbing. And from where they are climbing also look at that.

Bangladesh have never made a 280-plus score batting first against England. In fact, they've only set a 280-plus target twice outside Asia.....

You cannot expect someone to score 350+ out of no where.

Modern day cricket does not demand 330+ scores, don't know from where you get that.

Only teams with weak bowling lines up demand such scores.

I'm ready to accept a score of 250 if the bowling side is really good. Pakistan had a very poor batting line up from 2011 to 2015, but they had a bowling line up and captaincy which could defend you 250 scores.

330 is needed when you know you dont have the bowling resources to defend the target.

 

[Executioner]

Context brothers. On the same wicket Bangladesh folded for 84. Tamim tried to ensure we didn't lose early wickets. Then afterwards we lost two more wickets when the Batsman were looking good.

He did well. He did his job. He played the anchor role. Bangladesh could not scored 330 because batsman were not batting long enough and finding the gap

 

[Executioner]

Adding to what Major has to say. Bangladesh has the resources to defend such a target. Look at the stats of our bowlers and stats of their bowlers.

The combined average of England's 5 bowlers today would be 180 Bangladesh? 135 odd.

Ofcourse England played on flatter tracks

 

[Major]

another thing i would like to add on is that you win matches due to partnerships.

to say that I will take two openers scoring 60( 55) and 75( 70 ) is just ridiculous. You always need one player to stay there till the full 50 overs to add more partnerships with other players

 

[jnaveen1980]

Usually players catch up in the end. He got out before that hence it looks bad. Otherwise a matured innings. May not be match winning. But he did not leave the job to others.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Tamim batted well, he anchored the entire innings. Look what happened after Tamim got out, BD didn't go anywhere. If BDesh loses it's the fault of Imrul, Somya and Shakib who did jack. If Tamim got out for duck BDesh won't cross 250, rest of the batsmen bar Mushfiq and Mahmudullah are junk

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

His team got 305 from 300 balls, so thats good enough.

Now a days i see alot of posters bashing teams for not scoring run a ball and what so ever. And i think such bashing is ridiculous.

Before you start writing a post, always look at the team you are talking about, their history, where they belong from etc, their strengths.

You cannot bash a team like Bangladesh for this, as they are an improving side, they are marching up the tables. They haven't reached the peak, but they are climbing. And from where they are climbing also look at that.

Bangladesh have never made a 280-plus score batting first against England. In fact, they've only set a 280-plus target twice outside Asia.....

You cannot expect someone to score 350+ out of no where.

Modern day cricket does not demand 330+ scores, don't know from where you get that.

Only teams with weak bowling lines up demand such scores.

I'm ready to accept a score of 250 if the bowling side is really good. Pakistan had a very poor batting line up from 2011 to 2015, but they had a bowling line up and captaincy which could defend you 250 scores.

330 is needed when you know you dont have the bowling resources to defend the target.

Very good analysis bro.

 

[shah_1]

Nah, it was good enough

 

[troodon]

305 is not big enough on that flat pitch and tiny ground.

I expect England to get to the target in under 45 overs.

Tamim played too slow IMO. 125 of 140 balls is too slow.

I would not say its a match losing knock, only time will tell. But I feel at this point, Tamim failed to accelerate after getting to this ton. Rather too slow.

 

[Rafa]

Usually players catch up in the end. He got out before that hence it looks bad. Otherwise a matured innings. May not be match winning. But he did not leave the job to others.

Really, which batsmen make up in the end after a difference of 30 balls? ItS arely possible and if a Batsman is capable of it then he will most likely won't play so slow.

 

[idrizzy]

Context brothers. On the same wicket Bangladesh folded for 84. Tamim tried to ensure we didn't lose early wickets. Then afterwards we lost two more wickets when the Batsman were looking good.

He did well. He did his job. He played the anchor role. Bangladesh could not scored 330 because batsman were not batting long enough and finding the gap

I agree with both you and Major. SR of 90 is good anyway. Partnerships causes pressure within bowlers and they'll bowl horribly due to pressure maybe.

I think having a guy to get a century is always needed to get a platform.

And once Tamim went, England found an opening. So his performance was vital. I'd have criticised it if he went anything below a SR of 80.

I mentioned this another thread but he was always 3(17) and took 14 balls to get from 90 to 100. Either way he did very well.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Really, which batsmen make up in the end after a difference of 30 balls? It rarely possible and if a Batsmanyis capable of it then he will most likely won't play so slow.

Chris Gayle could do it if he wanted to

 

[The_Odd_One]

His team got 305 from 300 balls, so thats good enough.

Now a days i see alot of posters bashing teams for not scoring run a ball and what so ever. And i think such bashing is ridiculous.

Before you start writing a post, always look at the team you are talking about, their history, where they belong from etc, their strengths.

You cannot bash a team like Bangladesh for this, as they are an improving side, they are marching up the tables. They haven't reached the peak, but they are climbing. And from where they are climbing also look at that.

Bangladesh have never made a 280-plus score batting first against England. In fact, they've only set a 280-plus target twice outside Asia.....

You cannot expect someone to score 350+ out of no where.

Modern day cricket does not demand 330+ scores, don't know from where you get that.

Only teams with weak bowling lines up demand such scores.

I'm ready to accept a score of 250 if the bowling side is really good. Pakistan had a very poor batting line up from 2011 to 2015, but they had a bowling line up and captaincy which could defend you 250 scores.

330 is needed when you know you dont have the bowling resources to defend the target.

<b>Modern day cricket does not demand 330+ scores, don't know from where you get that.

Only teams with weak bowling lines up demand such scores</b>

Wrong. No matter how good is your bowling line up, you will need a 300+ score to have any chance of defending it due to flat pitches being used everywhere in ODIs.

300 is the new 200 in 2017.

 

[troodon]

If Roy and Hales play for 12 overs, 100 will be on the board.

 

[Rafa]

Chris Gayle could do it if he wanted to

Gayle will rarely bat like Tamim that's the point. Gayle is most likely to get tons at a Good SR.

Gayle will get the ton at 100 and end innings at 150.thats the difference.

 

[troodon]

<b>Modern day cricket does not demand 330+ scores, don't know from where you get that.

Only teams with weak bowling lines up demand such scores</b>

Wrong. No matter how good is your bowling line up, you will need a 300+ score to have any chance of defending it due to flat pitches being used everywhere in ODIs.

300 is the new 200 in 2017.

300 is the new 250 these days.

Bangla does not have the bowling to threaten any line up.

The only chance that Bangla has is if Mustafizur bowls like he did in India-Bangladesh series.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

If Roy and Hales play for 12 overs, 100 will be on the board.

If Buttler and Stokes plays for 10 overs, 120 will be on card

England team is full of freaks

 

[The_Odd_One]

300 is the new 250 these days.

Bangla does not have the bowling to threaten any line up.

The only chance that Bangla has is if Mustafizur bowls like he did in India-Bangladesh series.

Before 1996, a score of 250 will always win you a match. 300 on a flat pitch these days will usually lose you a match.

 

[hafeezrocks]

His team got 305 from 300 balls, so thats good enough.

Now a days i see alot of posters bashing teams for not scoring run a ball and what so ever. And i think such bashing is ridiculous.

Before you start writing a post, always look at the team you are talking about, their history, where they belong from etc, their strengths.

You cannot bash a team like Bangladesh for this, as they are an improving side, they are marching up the tables. They haven't reached the peak, but they are climbing. And from where they are climbing also look at that.

Bangladesh have never made a 280-plus score batting first against England. In fact, they've only set a 280-plus target twice outside Asia.....

You cannot expect someone to score 350+ out of no where.

Modern day cricket does not demand 330+ scores, don't know from where you get that.

Only teams with weak bowling lines up demand such scores.

I'm ready to accept a score of 250 if the bowling side is really good. Pakistan had a very poor batting line up from 2011 to 2015, but they had a bowling line up and captaincy which could defend you 250 scores.

330 is needed when you know you dont have the bowling resources to defend the target.

Well, are you not aware of the modern day scored in England? Defending anything less than 330 is seen as tough.

Just forget about the final score for the moment. It doesn't matter if other batsman of the team can bat at 200 SR and take score to 350 after an innings like Tamim. Sometimes they may, sometimes they won't.

But an opener should have atleast a standard SR that he must try to maintain. All I am saying is it should be around 100 .

 

[jnaveen1980]

Guys like Dhoni. BD despite progress always has this fragility hidden under. So he played percentage cricket.

 

[zyrus]

Yes, having 100 for > 100 balls can be harmful for the team instead.

 

[Major]

Well, are you not aware of the modern day scored in England? Defending anything less than 330 is seen as tough.

Just forget about the final score for the moment. It doesn't matter if other batsman of the team can bat at 200 SR and take score to 350 after an innings like Tamim. Sometimes they may, sometimes they won't.

But an opener should have atleast a standard SR that he must try to maintain. All I am saying is it should be around 100 .

again, its all about how strong your bowling line up and captaincy is.

This modern day cricket is just a joke phrase.

Get a good captain, get a good bowling line up, and even 220 is defendable

 

[Major]

<b>Modern day cricket does not demand 330+ scores, don't know from where you get that.

Only teams with weak bowling lines up demand such scores</b>

Wrong. No matter how good is your bowling line up, you will need a 300+ score to have any chance of defending it due to flat pitches being used everywhere in ODIs.

300 is the new 200 in 2017.

thats bullocks....

a good bowling line could defend you 250.......

and by good bowling line up, i mean having a proper 5th and 6th bowler, like hafeez

 

[Black Zero]

Totally agree with OP.
Once you set the foundation, you need to accelerate and aim for SR of 110/130 at the end of inning.

 

[The_Odd_One]

thats bullocks....

a good bowling line could defend you 250.......

and by good bowling line up, i mean having a proper 5th and 6th bowler, like hafeez

I believe you missed India vs Australia or India vs England series. 300 was scored in almost every inning of those series. Even Pakistan chased 300 vs England.

 

[santos11]

If you score 120 runs in 150 balls then you leave 180 runs in 150 balls to be scored by other batsmen. Hard task.

 

[srh]

Tamim batted well, he anchored the entire innings. Look what happened after Tamim got out, BD didn't go anywhere. If BDesh loses it's the fault of Imrul, Somya and Shakib who did jack. If Tamim got out for duck BDesh won't cross 250, rest of the batsmen bar Mushfiq and Mahmudullah are junk

why Mahmudullah came so late? its astonishing he is batting so low

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

seems like a typical Tamim innings. Century first country second.

 

[hafeezrocks]

As expected no trouble at all for England during the chase. If England batted first, none of their openers would bat like Tamim and they would reach 375-400 with ease.

Tamim played very well but a century in 124 balls significantly reduces the chance of a 330+ score.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Apparently, a 140-ball knock at 90 SR was a good knock and 300 was a defend-able score.

 

[Executioner]

The reason why Tamim tried to consolidate was because of the lack of form of our key batsman. Sabbir Mosaddek and Shakib especially Shakib are not in the best of form. If they were then it would have been a different story.

 

[aniket1911]

Two things to look here, a century (even at 90 SR) means you are assured to play out full 50 overs. Looking at there previous match against India they were probably wary of another collapse leading to start slow and pick up the way after.
It's the fault of other batsmen around him who failed to hit the leather out of the park, which should have been there task at hand given tamim was holding up one end. Tamim indeed batted slow but he should be the last person to be blamed given the rest of the batsman failed to do what was supposedly their task.

Also, I agree with major that 300+ total is still not as easy a total as people suggest. But most teams think of defending that 300+ total instead of thinking it as a cushion to go after opposition. maintaining a 6 RPO shouldn't/couldn't be easy to maintain if you bowl properly. India did defend lot's of 300+ total in 2015 WC on batting paradise. I know it will be hard to do the same in England with relatively tiny grounds but then again, teams are thinking of 300+ as psychologically high total which can be defended instead of taking it as cushion to afford to give away some runs in bid to take wickets.

 

[Barragan]

In this modern era, you have to score at 100 SR.

In the end, his knock was the difference between 305 and around 320.

Had he gone at 100 SR or even more, then BD would have posted around 320 comfortably and in this modern era, 320 is like a 280-90 score.

Those 14 runs cost BD.

 

[sarmadsl]

From the 1st over run rate must be above 6. That means on 40th over scores will be around 250 plus then in last 10 overs 70-100 runs will be competitive.
Actually 2 new balls and all other rues have made now scores below 300 not defendable. Though exception are always there

 

[Executioner]

One thing people have to realize that England players are flat track bullies. On wickets where there is some purchase for the bowler they will struggle.

Guess what in the series against England in Bangladesh. Bangladesh lost both matches on a flat track but on a sporting wicket England lost to us.

There is something about this English side. Flat wicket really suit their style of play. They can attack attack attack because they know there is nothing for the bowlers.

But for teams like Bangladesh a score of 305 is decent. Heck even a team like India would generally be happy to score 305 on any wicket. However England have players that can really take advantage of any flat wicket which other teams wouldn't.

In that context Tamim played really well but reality is Bangladesh don't have the firepower to score at 6+ for the first 45 overs and then tee off at the end.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Tamim took 27 balls to reach 100 from 80. Was well set with 8 wickets in hand. No excuses there. That was bad.

 

[czar]

Tamim took 27 balls to reach 100 from 80. Was well set with 8 wickets in hand. No excuses there. That was bad.

Great point mentioned bro..

 

[jnaveen1980]

Root had SR less than100 for most of the innings.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Root had SR less than100 for most of the innings.

Because England were chasing and never looked in trouble. Root knew this is a very comfortable score so why would he try to bat at 120+ SR ?

If the set target is only 200, why would the opener be expected to bat at 100 + SR?

BTW, Tamim should have played like Hales. It was Hales who made equation easier for the middle order batsman. Not playing 150 Balls and scoring 120 and leaving it to other batsman to get a mammoth score.

Look at how Hales batted and how Tamim batted.

 

[Hawkeye]

I don't know what his strike rate was, but anything less than 95 SR if you score that much is considered a poor knock in this era.

Also, a total of mere ~310 on an ICC tournament flat pitch is TOO LOW to be competitive. No matter how good your bowling is.

On this kind of pitch, you have to score 330+ to be competitive. Provided you have a decent bowling attack. Of course, you cannot expect only ONE batsman to contribute.

Other batsmen should contribute - should have hitters in the team.

 

[aniket1911]

^ Tamim don't have luxury of batsman like root, Morgan, butler & co. down the order. He's there premier batman along with mushi, so it's understandable why he played slow.

 

[Mainul]

another thing i would like to add on is that you win matches due to partnerships.

to say that I will take two openers scoring 60( 55) and 75( 70 ) is just ridiculous. You always need one player to stay there till the full 50 overs to add more partnerships with other players

Yes,partnership matters at the end.

 

[jnaveen1980]

My point is his strike rate went over 100 only in the end overs. Tamim is no hitter like Hale.

 

[Mamoon]

We have to understand the difference between the ending strike rate and the pace at which you play your innings. Today's match was a good example, because we can juxtapose the innings of Tamim and Root. 128 (142) is not much worse than 133 (129), but the difference was that Tamim was trotting for almost his first 80 balls, due to which Bangladesh simply did not take the game away from England even they had all the wickets in hand.

On the contrary, apart from the first 15-20 deliveries, Root's strike rate did not drop below 85, which meant that England were never chasing the RRR and were chipping away at the target without playing too many expansive strokes.

The type of innings that Tamim played today is the type of innings the likes of Hafeez, Shehzad and even Babar play on a good day. After facing 100+ deliveries, they almost always have a good ending strike rate, but they pace their innings poorly due to which we are almost always below par with our totals.

50 (70) -> 80 (100) -> 110 (120) will not take the team anywhere, but 65 (70) -> 95 (100) -> 130 (120) will result in a competitive total 9/10 times.

 

[hafeezrocks]

We have to understand the difference between the ending strike rate and the pace at which you play your innings. Today's match was a good example, because we can juxtapose the innings of Tamim and Root. 128 (142) is not much worse than 133 (129), but the difference was that Tamim was trotting for almost his first 80 balls, due to which Bangladesh simply did not take the game away from England even they had all the wickets in hand.

On the contrary, apart from the first 15-20 deliveries, Root's strike rate did not drop below 85, which meant that England were never chasing the RRR and were chipping away at the target without playing too many expansive strokes.

The type of innings that Tamim played today is the type of innings the likes of Hafeez, Shehzad and even Babar play on a good day. After facing 100+ deliveries, they almost always have a good ending strike rate, but they pace their innings poorly due to which we are almost always below par with our totals.

50 (70) -> 80 (100) -> 110 (120) will not take the team anywhere, but 65 (70) -> 95 (100) -> 130 (120) will result in a competitive total 9/10 times.

Good Post . And you are correct 100% especially regarding Babar Azam who plays similar kind of 100 ( 125 ) innings and slows down miserably between 90-100 however luckily for him the team hasn't suffered due to his playing safely but against good teams where 20-30 extra runs come handy, Babar will have to change his approach.

 

[Hasan123]

Imo it cost the team. Bangladesh had enough wickets in hand when he had faced 60-70 balls, he could have looked to accelerate more. Root innings was brilliant. Rotated the strike well and than finished the game.

At the very minimum if your facing 142 balls, you should be able to get a run a ball score.

 

[StreetSmart]

Tamim to me played one the best knock he ever played. Only one man is not in the team there are 11 players. Bangladesh is losing because Shakib and Taskin are out of form. in 40ovr look at both team comparison almost same. Bangladesh lost the match because they were not able to captaized the start provided by Tamim

 

[Mamoon]

Good Post . And you are correct 100% especially regarding Babar Azam who plays similar kind of 100 ( 125 ) innings and slows down miserably between 90-100 however luckily for him the team hasn't suffered due to his playing safely but against good teams where 20-30 extra runs come handy, Babar will have to change his approach.

Babar does not rotate the strike as well as Malik and Sarfraz, but he is certainly better than the other batsmen in the team.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If he had got out early going for shots again the new batsman will take time to settle down. Tamim is good. Not good like top batsmen who could protect the wicket and also assault for sustained period of time. There is always a risk of collapse. BD as a team hasn't reached a stage where they can get out of any kind of hole.
They rely on 2 or 3 batsmen to fire.

 

[idrizzy]

^ Tamim don't have luxury of batsman like root, Morgan, butler & co. down the order. He's there premier batman along with mushi, so it's understandable why he played slow.

This point needs to be emphasised *100.

Without Tamim, Bangladesh 84 all out.
With Tamim, Bangladesh 341; 305.

Different circumstances but no one else was gonna get the runs apart from Tamim so I believe he played well. Again though at the back end of his innings he could've sped it up a little (as a poster said 27 balls from 80-100).

Other than Tamim & Mush, who got a score? No one really. Whereas England all batsmen barring Roy are in form.

 

[hafeezrocks]

This point needs to be emphasised *100.

Without Tamim, Bangladesh 84 all out.
With Tamim, Bangladesh 341; 305.

Different circumstances but no one else was gonna get the runs apart from Tamim so I believe he played well. Again though at the back end of his innings he could've sped it up a little (as a poster said 27 balls from 80-100).

Other than Tamim & Mush, who got a score? No one really. Whereas England all batsmen barring Roy are in form.

The Fact is Tamim is not capable of playing at a Higher S/R without getting dismissed.

Yes Bangladesh will be 84 AO without Tamim. All those centuries by Mahmudullah in last WC in Australia were just dreams I reckon and Shakib/Sabbir can't hold a bat.

 

[idrizzy]

Good Post . And you are correct 100% especially regarding Babar Azam who plays similar kind of 100 ( 125 ) innings and slows down miserably between 90-100 however luckily for him the team hasn't suffered due to his playing safely but against good teams where 20-30 extra runs come handy, Babar will have to change his approach.

That's because Malik is there to score at a 130+ SR when there's a platform set, which means we have a good total.

I agree that these accumulators need to put their foot on the gas but as a team, you must do what's right. By this I mean the out of touch batsmen are walking wickets so preserving your wicket by being safer, taking more balls, will end up being more effective than trying to force the play at a SR of 100. This is why there's a difference in Tamim's and Root's innings. The former has no one in form really to help carry his team; while the latter is surrounded by a plethora of in form batsmen.

 

[idrizzy]

The Fact is Tamim is not capable of playing at a Higher S/R without getting dismissed.

Yes Bangladesh will be 84 AO without Tamim. All those centuries by Mahmudullah in last WC in Australia were just dreams I reckon and Shakib/Sabbir can't hold a bat.

They should've sent Mahmudullah up higher, The 'without Tamim, with Tamim' is extreme on my part and purely coincidental, but it still underlies a point that no one is really getting runs except him. 2 hundreds in his last two games.

Form matters. Roy is a walking wicket at the moment. If you're playing Shakib, Sabbir you've got two players who are a pair of walking wickets no matter what kind of pitch it is.
Right now Warner hasn't really got a score yet, whereas Finch is playing superbly. I fully expect Warner to be dismissed first vs NZ tomorrow because of this.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Context brothers. On the same wicket Bangladesh folded for 84. Tamim tried to ensure we didn't lose early wickets. Then afterwards we lost two more wickets when the Batsman were looking good.

He did well. He did his job. He played the anchor role.

"Bangladesh could not scored 330 because batsman were not batting long enough and finding the gap"

Do you even think before writing these cliches? They were 2 down till 44 th over and Tamim was blocking Joe Root. On this pitch 350 was needed and the fear with which BD played meant you guys could never win.

 

[Bilal7]

It depends on a match-by-match basis. However, a SR of around 50 is just not conducive in the modern game, at any point in the match. Even if a few wickets fall, the batsmen should still look to score 4-5 runs an over. This is why I am such a big fan of Hashim Amla. He rarely ever strikes at below 85 and no matter how tough the wicket or how good the bowlers, South Africa are never bogged down at the start and if Amla scores a ton, the guys coming below him can play with a lot of freedom.

 

[Executioner]

"Bangladesh could not scored 330 because batsman were not batting long enough and finding the gap"

Do you even think before writing these cliches? They were 2 down till 44 th over and Tamim was blocking Joe Root. On this pitch 350 was needed and the fear with which BD played meant you guys could never win.

After Tamim got out non of the batsman batted for more than 10 deliveries apart from Sabbir. Infact they were not finding the gaps leave alone hit big

We could have scored 20 runs easily in the death overs.

 

[Slog]

Its unbelievable that no one is even bothering to take the bowlers to task

 

[JibranAnsari]

Playing at a high strike rate throughout the innings is more important than just ending with a good strike rate , for the fluent flow of innings a batsman cant be hovering around in 60s and 70s most of his innings and end up with a sr of 100 and thump his chest. Modern day cricket has changed a lot and there is no room for taking your time.

 

[todfod 11]

tamim played well its actually the bowlers who lost the game.. bangladeshi bowlers are just not good enough.. even if bangla had scored 350 england would have chased it with ease.
Babar azam if he score a century same as tamim everytime pakistan has way more chance to defend then bangladesh because of superior bowling.
Tamim and and mushy played very well. mahmudullah should have been promoted over shakib. shakib looks so out of touch.

 

[hafeezrocks]

After Tamim got out non of the batsman batted for more than 10 deliveries apart from Sabbir. Infact they were not finding the gaps leave alone hit big

We could have scored 20 runs easily in the death overs.

Mushfiq played better than Tamim.

 

[MMHS]

I think, Tamim did his job. He left with 33 balls & 7 wickets - we scored only 45; when should have scored around 60. That 15 runs won't have mattered much because of a flawed team selection - dropping Miraj for Kayes.

305 looks smaller because at one point we were 261/2; but I doubt how many here would have expected BD to cross 300, when put in at toss.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Tamim took 27 balls to reach his 100 from 80. Considering he was well set, 8 wickets in hand, flat pitch and quality batting opposition he should have taken ~10 balls rather than 27. That leaves 17 balls. BD were 35 runs where those 17 balls could have been useful.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

It is not the first time Tamim slowed down for a century.

 

[czar]

Tamim took 27 balls to reach his 100 from 80. Considering he was well set, 8 wickets in hand, flat pitch and quality batting opposition he should have taken ~10 balls rather than 27. That leaves 17 balls. BD were 35 runs where those 17 balls could have been useful.

And he was facing Root at than time.

 

[Haz95]

No matter how good the bowling line up is, the match is decided by batting in awful modern day ODIs.

Just look at Ronchi taking a WC Australian attack (consisting of Starc and Hazelwood) to the cleaners....Tamim shouldve played a tad bit faster tbh.

 

[hafeezrocks]

No matter how good the bowling line up is, the match is decided by batting in awful modern day ODIs.

Just look at Ronchi taking a WC Australian attack (consisting of Starc and Hazelwood) to the cleaners....Tamim shouldve played a tad bit faster tbh.

Now the usual excuse will be about how Ronchi can play freely because he had these luxury of ATG batsmen like Anderson , Broom, Satner and Neesham to follow whereas Poor Tamim is just a One Man Show.

Anyway, a 125 balls Ton is counter productive, no matter how you look at it.

 

[aniket1911]

Now the usual excuse will be about how Ronchi can play freely because he had these luxury of ATG batsmen like Anderson , Broom, Satner and Neesham to follow whereas Poor Tamim is just a One Man Show.

Anyway, a 125 balls Ton is counter productive, no matter how you look at it.

So, with ronchi's knock supposedly many times better Tamim's knock, Nz still ended up with 291?

Not to mention that NZ batsmen are far superior/more equipped than their Bangladeshi counterpart.

Look, no matter how you try to dissect it, an anchor who can steer the team throughout the innings (at 90/90+ sr) is needed. It's the job of remaining guys to provide impetus to the total. Look at dhawans knock against RSA in CWC 15, Finch against India in semis of same tournament and list goes on. Sure his knock wasn't the best but a long anchor type inning is needed for any team trying to put up big totals unless you are freak team like England with hitters all the way down.

 

[jnaveen1980]

^ True that. If you are in make it count. Don't leave the job to others. Tamim is not Jayasurya. His wicket could have started a procession.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bangladesh was 223/2 by 40th over. SA 221/3 by 40th over . Tamim had to cop so much criticism. This is against a rubbish bowling attack.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Amla started slowly but after that picked up pace and was at 70 runs in 70 balls but after that slowed down for more reason, two quick wickets of Faf and AB didn't help either. Now even Miller is gone.

Let's see of Amla can touch the 100 S/R.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

It's criminal to slow down as you approach a century - I can understand why players do it for a test century because it's not going to impact the match much however in odis it really hurts a sides momentum.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Another slow ton. Gonna cost SA the game I think.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Now the usual excuse will be about how Ronchi can play freely because he had these luxury of ATG batsmen like Anderson , Broom, Satner and Neesham to follow whereas Poor Tamim is just a One Man Show.

Anyway, a 125 balls Ton is counter productive, no matter how you look at it.

Eh, New Zealand has Guptill, Williamson and Taylor who're miles better than any BDesh batsmen individually. BDesh has only two decent batsmen called Tamim and Musfiqur and the bowlers are completely useless. BDesh got packed for something 80 against India, they're over reliant on two players

 

[CricketAnalyst]

After Tamim got out non of the batsman batted for more than 10 deliveries apart from Sabbir. Infact they were not finding the gaps leave alone hit big

We could have scored 20 runs easily in the death overs.

Tamim took 40 balls to get set and everyone else is supposed to go without even 2 or 3 balls (because he ate them all up) and then he is unselfish?

It's because going from ball 1 is so hard that guys who get set have to start hitting rather than nudging and nurdling the weakest bowlers around.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Tamim took 40 balls to get set and everyone else is supposed to go without even 2 or 3 balls (because he ate them all up) and then he is unselfish?

It's because going from ball 1 is so hard that guys who get set have to start hitting rather than nudging and nurdling the weakest bowlers around.

True. Tamim can be excused for playing at 75-80 SR for most part of his innings just because he got a big score however the other batsmen with very less overs at their hand are expected to strike it big from Ball 1.

Very fair.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

I was ready to criticize Tamim but he anchored the innings and as such a 90 strike rate is pretty decent on that wicket. Thats like anchoring the innings with a 75 strike rate in the early 2000s on the average wicket.

Tamim has settled into the role of the anchor, and Soumya is the one who is the aggressor. Mushfiq does a fantastic job of keeping the motor running smoothly and he can also hit out if he survives till the death (he did not vs England and that cost us another 10-15 runs).

 

[Executioner]

Tamim took 40 balls to get set and everyone else is supposed to go without even 2 or 3 balls (because he ate them all up) and then he is unselfish?

It's because going from ball 1 is so hard that guys who get set have to start hitting rather than nudging and nurdling the weakest bowlers around.

Tamim took Bangladesh to a very decent position. 223/2 or something. In the last 6 overs we scored 40 odd runs

Now you see where we went wrong? We needed to score 60 odd. Heck 70 with so many batsman in the dugout.

Obviously Tamim could have tried harder but his SR was slow at first because he tried to see out the initial overs. I don't think you have any idea how it is to see your team score below 100 and then bounce back. Tamim did that

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Rohit's innings today falls into the same category.