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Should Nawaz Sharif be held accountable for his recent statement on Mumbai attacks?

Should Nawaz Sharif be held accountable for his recent statement on Mumbai attacks?

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A lot of divided opinions in Pakistan but as a former PM should he be making such statements and should he be punished?
 
Yes!

There is no other way/angle to look at this.

You don't expect a former US President to come out and make similar statements.

Another thing is, why didn't he mention all the other stuff? I mean the attacks that happened in Pakistan, Kashmir, etc.

If Pakistan was involved, then you were PM, why didn't you do anything about it? Statements such as these not only does it embarrass the nation, but also makes him look like an idiot!

NS at this point is trying to save his sinking ship and this statement just shows that he is willing to do anything to save himself. Even if it means embarrassing Pakistan on the global stage.
 
Why should he be punished for believing in the principle that:

The Truth shall set you Free.

Why didn't he set himself free when he was the PM as he definitely would have been privy to such information at the time. Appearing really desperate in an attempt to stay relevant at this point.
 
No! if you are asking him to jail? He has a right to his opinion, no matter how stupid they are.

He should be criticized for making statement that put Pakistan's security at risk.

He has connivingly put out this statement to disturb Pakistan's politics at this time for his personal gain to protect himself from corruption case, for his incompetence without any regard to Pakistan's security. No matter who you are, as a former PM, as a Pakistani, you should never compromise Pakistani security. If any Pakistani still supporting, regardless of your opinion on Army, then, you are anti-Pakistan. There is no two way to this opinion.

Now, if he is jailed, his narrative will be, "I want peace with India, peace with Afghanistan, And, Army is the one who is against me and for the world peace". He is alone, himself, has put Pakistan in collision course with the powers who are anti-Pakistan, has given narrative to those who wants to de-stabilized Pakistan.

Army did great by bringing in all political party into this, even the current PM.

He is the biggest 'snake' in Pakistan since the existence of Pakistan.
 
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I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.

Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.
 
I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.

Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.

Pakistani has condemned this act of terrorism. There is nothing more to condemn.
 
How much more punishment can poor Nawaz Sharif take?

You don't kick a d̶o̶g̶ sher when it's down.
 
This is what Sher is doing these days :D

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I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.

Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.

What are you talking about?
I bet there is not a single Pakistani who didn’t feel the pain from the terrorist attacks in Mumbai. We don’t like innocent people being killed, wherever they happen to be.
 
There are two parts of his statement.One part refers to regional isolation that Pakistan is facing due to its alleged patronage of non-state actors.NS is not wrong as recent decision of FATF to put Pakistan on grey list shows the perils of our policy of not taking sufficient actions against these groups,and even China-whom we consider as our best friend-did not support us.
Regarding the second part of his statement referring to facilitating attackers of Mumbai attack,I think he should not have said this publicly.He could have used appropriate platform,like NSC,to convey his concern.
 
There are two parts of his statement.One part refers to regional isolation that Pakistan is facing due to its alleged patronage of non-state actors.NS is not wrong as recent decision of FATF to put Pakistan on grey list shows the perils of our policy of not taking sufficient actions against these groups,and even China-whom we consider as our best friend-did not support us.
Regarding the second part of his statement referring to facilitating attackers of Mumbai attack,I think he should not have said this publicly.He could have used appropriate platform,like NSC,to convey his concern.

The problem here is that not only did he speak publicly but more do the fact that he stayed quiet for so long. As long as he had an understanding with the army he was happy to continue loot By the country. Now that the end is near he’s going to go down like a lead balloon taking as many people down with him.

It’s so cynical that hopefully not many people are buying it.
 
Rauf Klasera has said he was going to have Indian journalists at his place and would have done an interview with them saying the same nonsense but the Indians were refused visas.

This guy is a traitor and a massive security risk.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]
 
Rauf Klasera has said he was going to have Indian journalists at his place and would have done an interview with them saying the same nonsense but the Indians were refused visas.

This guy is a traitor and a massive security risk.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]

True and as you can see Panama and his corruption cases are gone on back pages i think he is going to come up with more things and chaos is the only thing right now that can save him right now
 
Lets forget about the timing and motives of his statement for one second, he didn't say anything wrong so why should he be punished. Army and its massive propaganda machine should stop hyperventilating for once and look at the substance of the statement. How long will they keep propping and supporting "non-state actors" to do their dirty work and in the end how has Pakistan benefited from such actions other than being isolated in the world, as per NS statement.
 
Lets forget about the timing and motives of his statement for one second, he didn't say anything wrong so why should he be punished. Army and its massive propaganda machine should stop hyperventilating for once and look at the substance of the statement. How long will they keep propping and supporting "non-state actors" to do their dirty work and in the end how has Pakistan benefited from such actions other than being isolated in the world, as per NS statement.

It is quite convenient to jump on the high horse and claim the morally high altitude, but every strategic geopolitical country has directly or indirectly supported “non-state actors”. Some are good and some are bad, and it all depend which narrative is fashionable in the world.
 
Lets forget about the timing and motives of his statement for one second, he didn't say anything wrong so why should he be punished. Army and its massive propaganda machine should stop hyperventilating for once and look at the substance of the statement. How long will they keep propping and supporting "non-state actors" to do their dirty work and in the end how has Pakistan benefited from such actions other than being isolated in the world, as per NS statement.

Let's not, as that is the most important part.
 
Lets forget about the timing and motives of his statement for one second, he didn't say anything wrong so why should he be punished. Army and its massive propaganda machine should stop hyperventilating for once and look at the substance of the statement. How long will they keep propping and supporting "non-state actors" to do their dirty work and in the end how has Pakistan benefited from such actions other than being isolated in the world, as per NS statement.

No sorry there is enough to forget. 37 years of political life full of crimes and sins that includes murdering people in broad day light, looting trillions, having links with militants, attacking supreme court, bribing judges, declaring others traitors (bhutto, benzair and laghari) and list of his sins and crimes goes on and on well it's hard to forget all of that buddy.
 
It is quite convenient to jump on the high horse and claim the morally high altitude, but every strategic geopolitical country has directly or indirectly supported “non-state actors”. Some are good and some are bad, and it all depend which narrative is fashionable in the world.

True it's all about your country interests and where to align yourself. US support for Israel is the prime example and there for everyone to see their president is silent on the killing of 70 Palestinians and 100s of injured ones in last few days but issues a statement over a french citizen stabbed by a muslim.
 
This is what Sher is doing these days :D

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch this small video and try to analyse the mindset of this brave man and see the end of this bravery <a href="https://t.co/y12L836j1W">pic.twitter.com/y12L836j1W</a></p>— Hamid Mir (@HamidMirPAK) <a href="https://twitter.com/HamidMirPAK/status/996307454005796865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Is that Nawaz Sharif ?
 
Lets forget about the timing and motives of his statement for one second, he didn't say anything wrong so why should he be punished. Army and its massive propaganda machine should stop hyperventilating for once and look at the substance of the statement. How long will they keep propping and supporting "non-state actors" to do their dirty work and in the end how has Pakistan benefited from such actions other than being isolated in the world, as per NS statement.

Yeah Kulbushun Yadav was on lion safari in Baluchistan right? Every state employs state and non-state actors to safeguard their interests and further their agendas.

Also India's narrative of Ajmal Kasab being a Pakistani state sponsored agent had totally been refuted in the world media, India didn't even allow Ajmal councillor access something we have granted Yadav, India even rejected Pakistan's request to conduct joint investigation and hanged Kasab even before any conclusive evidence could be conducted. Heck there were murmurs within India itself that Kasab might not have been Pakistani; one Major General of Indian Army wrote a book saying Kasab might have been a RAW agent gone rouge. With Nawaz Sharif's statement all of that has gone out of the window and he singlehandedly completely destroyed the Pakistani narrative. But liberal keyboard warriors like you need every opportunity to bash the boys laying down their lives for your country day and night.
 
Rauf Klasera has said he was going to have Indian journalists at his place and would have done an interview with them saying the same nonsense but the Indians were refused visas.

This guy is a traitor and a massive security risk.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]

Pakistani are truly people with big hearts any other country in the world where a guy looting and plundering literally trillions and spewing hate against the country would have been behind bars and waiting decision as to how he would be executed. In Pakistan this waste of skin can walk about with impunity.
 
Let's not, as that is the most important part.

No sorry there is enough to forget. 37 years of political life full of crimes and sins that includes murdering people in broad day light, looting trillions, having links with militants, attacking supreme court, bribing judges, declaring others traitors (bhutto, benzair and laghari) and list of his sins and crimes goes on and on well it's hard to forget all of that buddy.

So prosecute and punish him in all those other crimes you have listed, not this statement which seem to have some validity to it.
 
Let's not, as that is the most important part.

It is quite convenient to jump on the high horse and claim the morally high altitude, but every strategic geopolitical country has directly or indirectly supported “non-state actors”. Some are good and some are bad, and it all depend which narrative is fashionable in the world.

You seem to buying into our establishments old school “good Taliban and bad Taliban” and “good non state actors and bad non state actors” narrative. All the I can say to that is even if that narrative is supposedly right, it has caused nothing but harm to our country and national interests.
 
I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.

Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.

Pakistan has already conceded that the attackers were Pakistani citizens I believe.

That is not the point as to why Nawaz is getting backlash.

Nawaz used the wrong words when he said "how can we let these non-state actors go across the border", which implies that Pakistani authorities knew about the attacks and they let the attackers proceed.

The funny thing is Nawaz wasnt trying to imply that Pakistan was complicit in the attack, he was just saying more should be done to stop them.

But he used the wrong words, which the Indian media latched on to and made Pakistan look bad.

Tbf he deserves all the backlash. Pakistanis have been suffering from terrorism (contrary to what they teach you in India, these are not of our own making. These are the making of 30 years of global policy led by the United States, who just found willing allies in dictators sitting in Pakistan). Then the same United States came back waging a war and making Pakistan become involved in a war that Pakistan wanted no part in. This was essentially done at gun point by the U.S.

After this, Pakistan has been hit with terrorist attack after terrorist attack. India, United States, Afghanistan all want Pakistan to control non-state actors that target them. Pakistan is barely managing to target terrorists conducting terrorists attack in Pakistan.

Indians, Americans, etc... somehow believe Pakistan can do what 140,000 NATO troops couldnt. These non-state actors reside in remote locations and are impossible to tell apart from locals.

My point is, if Pakistan had this magical absolute power to stop every potential terrorist attack, they would first stop all the attacks in Pakistan!!!

So, its wrong for Nawaz to say Pakistan should do more, as Pakistan is already doing all it can, the tens of thousands of lives sacrificed in the country for a foreign imposed war is testament to that.
 
Yeah Kulbushun Yadav was on lion safari in Baluchistan right? Every state employs state and non-state actors to safeguard their interests and further their agendas.

Also India's narrative of Ajmal Kasab being a Pakistani state sponsored agent had totally been refuted in the world media, India didn't even allow Ajmal councillor access something we have granted Yadav, India even rejected Pakistan's request to conduct joint investigation and hanged Kasab even before any conclusive evidence could be conducted. Heck there were murmurs within India itself that Kasab might not have been Pakistani; one Major General of Indian Army wrote a book saying Kasab might have been a RAW agent gone rouge. With Nawaz Sharif's statement all of that has gone out of the window and he singlehandedly completely destroyed the Pakistani narrative. But liberal keyboard warriors like you need every opportunity to bash the boys laying down their lives for your country day and night.

So India committed this act upon itself...do you also believe in 911 being an inside job :facepalm:


.....and not the fact that OBL was found hiding comfortably in a fortress only steps away from our main military school and the most famous Pakistani in the wold is known for having been shot in the head in the middle of the day in her school bus but this single statement by one Nawaz Sharif has managed to completely destroy our prestine and peace loving image and our national security narrative in the world.
 
You seem to buying into our establishments old school “good Taliban and bad Taliban” and “good non state actors and bad non state actors” narrative. All the I can say to that is even if that narrative is supposedly right, it has caused nothing but harm to our country and national interests.

You seem to be wrong, No! No non state actors are good. No such thing as good or bad, they are equally bad.

I understand it sound good to be coming off of as a morally righteous person by dismissing the idea of non state actors. And that is the way it should be, in ideal world, there should be no place for them. But, let’s not pretend to be naive to show yourself morally competent.
 
I guess the NSC forgot what ISPR said back in 2011.


ISLAMABAD: Military spokesman Maj-Gen Athar Abbas has hinted at involvement of retired ISI officials in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, but categorically denied any role of serving spies.

The ISPR chief, in his interaction with the visiting delegation of Indian journalists and in an interview with CNN-IBN, indicated the possibility of some retired officials collaborating with Mumbai perpetrators.
This is probably the first time that Pakistan military has suggested possible links between retired ISI men and Lashkar-e-Taiba, though India had in the past accused serving officials of being involved.

Maj-Gen Abbas described the group responsible for the attacks as a splinter group of LeT headed by Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, who is being tried by an anti-terrorism court in Rawalpindi.


He denied ISI had any links with the Haqqani Network – an accusation made by Chairman US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen during his visit to Islamabad last week.

The military spokesman reiterated the demand for an end to US drone strikes in tribal areas.
https://www.dawn.com/news/623876/ex-isi-men-likely-behind-2611-attacks-says-athar
 
You want to hold a man "accountable" and "punish" him for saying something that most people already know to be true?

If you want your country to get better you have to have a greater commitment to truth. Lies rot away the character of a nation.
 
You want to hold a man "accountable" and "punish" him for saying something that most people already know to be true?

If you want your country to get better you have to have a greater commitment to truth. Lies rot away the character of a nation.

Appreciate the advice
 
I personally don't think he should be tried for treason, no doubt he is putting his personal interests far ahead of national interests.

For those voting for "He has spoken the truth", he could technically be right but is he blameless?
Did everyone forget National Action Plan? Whose responsibility was it to implement it? Why was Nawaz Sharif at jalsas organised by Abid Raza (of Lashkar e Jhangvi) just a month ago? Reality is Nawaz doesn't care one bit about all this, his concern is his corruption cases and he would do anything to get out of them and this is purely pressure tactic.
 
Well well well...this is what we call dharam sankat in indian culture.
If pakistan hangs and give harsh punishment to nawaz sharif then trust me,even you guys know that what sort of message it will give to the whole world. Seriously it will have a lot of backlash all over the world.
And if you dnt give punishment to nawaz then we are seriously here for more secrets to come out. Although mumbai was never a secret. It has already been proven andd accepted in whole world and there is a reason UN has blacklisted many terrorists operated from pakistan.

Whatever happens in both cases ,it only benifits india. Pakistan need to be very cautious at this time.
 
He should be allowed to say more stuff and commit further political suicide. The party is in extreme defence mode,. I mean look what happened about the PM's press conference?

Im hoping they get smashed to smithereens at the next general election but they may just survive like the PPP did..
 
You want to hold a man "accountable" and "punish" him for saying something that most people already know to be true?

If you want your country to get better you have to have a greater commitment to truth. Lies rot away the character of a nation.

no what he said is not true and no everyone does not "know" it to be true. We did not give permission to any non state actors in the mumbai killings. NS is talking out of his behind. Remember he has been in power for nearly 4 years and could have expedited the trial but read what ch.Nisar said who was the interior minister under NS..he is lying..
 
Why are Pakistani politicians so inept? Its a joke. Look at Iran's leadership for instance and how they speak. Heck even watch the interviews of Bashar Al Asad and how articulate he is. Pakistani politicians are simply not clever enough to not embarrass their nation. Neither are they brave enough to stand up to the people who try to bully them.

This wasn't the case until the late 1970s and early 80s from what i know. Personally think Pakistani politicians were better than Indian ones till that time. Now Indian political leadership wipes the floor with the one in Pakistan. Even Musharraf speaks 100 times better than the clowns in Pakistan today. What happened? How did the great Pakistani leaders vanish?

On topic, Pakistanis should file a case against Nawaz and bring him to court. Make him explain what he meant. If he can not do that, appropriate action should be taken against him to set a strong precedent that you cant just say anything you want.
 
You want to hold a man "accountable" and "punish" him for saying something that most people already know to be true?

If you want your country to get better you have to have a greater commitment to truth. Lies rot away the character of a nation.

Just what the lies have done to India.
 
This wasn't the case until the late 1970s and early 80s from what i know.

Nawaz Sharif joined politics in 81, become CM Punjab in 85 and 88 and than PM in 90 that's what happened after 70s to politics in Pak
 
I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.

Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.

Pointless harping...

By and large most Pakistanis condemn the act of terrorism. Its only a small percentage of loonies who think this was an inside job by India. And as an India, I believe you have enough experience with loonies believing in crackpot theories.

However there is a concerted and forced effort to implicate that the Pakistani state was involved in this act of which there is no evidence
 
So India committed this act upon itself...do you also believe in 911 being an inside job :facepalm:

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While I dont believe that this Mumbai attack or certainly 9/11, were inside jobs.... there have been false flag attacks throughout history.

So a country attacking itself is not really as far-fetched or as unbelievable a concept as you seem to believe here.
 
I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.

Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.

A bit rich coming from a citizen of a nation which elected the Butcher of Gujrat as their PM. The Gujrat riots and the mass killings of Muslims was State authorised. Innocent citizens died that day and your whole machinery, Government, Judiciary, Parliament - all failed to take action against the sitting CM at the time.

So please, do the honours and set the precedence by impeaching your PM for his heinous role in the Gujrat massacre of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated by him. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent Indian citizens including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Indians still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to their PMs impeachment rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of genocide against their own people.
 

It seems you didnt read Nawaz's statements clearly or didnt understand the nuance.

Nawaz Sharif implies that the attacks were allowed to happen by establishment as a policy whereas the statements you posted here dont do that.

Also.... There may or may not have been a military/intelligence role in the Mumbai attacks. That is not the point. NS is going against the stand taken by the state and compromising national interests/narrative
 
A bit rich coming from a citizen of a nation which elected the Butcher of Gujrat as their PM. The Gujrat riots and the mass killings of Muslims was State authorised. Innocent citizens died that day and your whole machinery, Government, Judiciary, Parliament - all failed to take action against the sitting CM at the time.

So please, do the honours and set the precedence by impeaching your PM for his heinous role in the Gujrat massacre of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated by him. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent Indian citizens including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Indians still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to their PMs impeachment rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of genocide against their own people.

Pm was unable when hindus died in godhra in gujrat when riots started ,pm was unable when kashmiri pandits died,pm was unable when sikhs died,pm was unable diring lot of times. India is the world best secular country where minority can even start a riot and kill majority if they want
Here everyone is equally equipped. Koi kisi se piche ni....anyway pakistan stance on modi never matter. Modi is world top 10 most powerful people in whole world this year and many muslim countries have given him most prestigious award. So pakistan opinion is equal to shunya.......concentrate on pakistan . I can give thousand examples there.but who cares anyway
 
It seems you didnt read Nawaz's statements clearly or didnt understand the nuance.

Nawaz Sharif implies that the attacks were allowed to happen by establishment as a policy whereas the statements you posted here dont do that.

Also.... There may or may not have been a military/intelligence role in the Mumbai attacks. That is not the point. NS is going against the stand taken by the state and compromising national interests/narrative

I wonder what is the law about such things?
 
So prosecute and punish him in all those other crimes you have listed, not this statement which seem to have some validity to it.

Where is the validity? All you have is the word of a proven liar who embezzled the country's exchequer of $billions, further more he is only speaking now to save his own hide, not for the sake of transparency. I would ask for more corroborating evidence before taking anything he says seriously. If he can provide it then the parties involved should be charged, if not then he himself has to face charges for slander.
 
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