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A lot of divided opinions in Pakistan but as a former PM should he be making such statements and should he be punished?
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Why should he be punished for believing in the principle that:
The Truth shall set you Free.
I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.
Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.
I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.
Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.
There are two parts of his statement.One part refers to regional isolation that Pakistan is facing due to its alleged patronage of non-state actors.NS is not wrong as recent decision of FATF to put Pakistan on grey list shows the perils of our policy of not taking sufficient actions against these groups,and even China-whom we consider as our best friend-did not support us.
Regarding the second part of his statement referring to facilitating attackers of Mumbai attack,I think he should not have said this publicly.He could have used appropriate platform,like NSC,to convey his concern.
Rauf Klasera has said he was going to have Indian journalists at his place and would have done an interview with them saying the same nonsense but the Indians were refused visas.
This guy is a traitor and a massive security risk.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]
Lets forget about the timing and motives of his statement for one second, he didn't say anything wrong so why should he be punished. Army and its massive propaganda machine should stop hyperventilating for once and look at the substance of the statement. How long will they keep propping and supporting "non-state actors" to do their dirty work and in the end how has Pakistan benefited from such actions other than being isolated in the world, as per NS statement.
Lets forget about the timing and motives of his statement for one second, he didn't say anything wrong so why should he be punished. Army and its massive propaganda machine should stop hyperventilating for once and look at the substance of the statement. How long will they keep propping and supporting "non-state actors" to do their dirty work and in the end how has Pakistan benefited from such actions other than being isolated in the world, as per NS statement.
Lets forget about the timing and motives of his statement for one second, he didn't say anything wrong so why should he be punished. Army and its massive propaganda machine should stop hyperventilating for once and look at the substance of the statement. How long will they keep propping and supporting "non-state actors" to do their dirty work and in the end how has Pakistan benefited from such actions other than being isolated in the world, as per NS statement.
It is quite convenient to jump on the high horse and claim the morally high altitude, but every strategic geopolitical country has directly or indirectly supported “non-state actors”. Some are good and some are bad, and it all depend which narrative is fashionable in the world.
This is what Sher is doing these days
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch this small video and try to analyse the mindset of this brave man and see the end of this bravery <a href="https://t.co/y12L836j1W">pic.twitter.com/y12L836j1W</a></p>— Hamid Mir (@HamidMirPAK) <a href="https://twitter.com/HamidMirPAK/status/996307454005796865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Lets forget about the timing and motives of his statement for one second, he didn't say anything wrong so why should he be punished. Army and its massive propaganda machine should stop hyperventilating for once and look at the substance of the statement. How long will they keep propping and supporting "non-state actors" to do their dirty work and in the end how has Pakistan benefited from such actions other than being isolated in the world, as per NS statement.
Rauf Klasera has said he was going to have Indian journalists at his place and would have done an interview with them saying the same nonsense but the Indians were refused visas.
This guy is a traitor and a massive security risk.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]
Let's not, as that is the most important part.
No sorry there is enough to forget. 37 years of political life full of crimes and sins that includes murdering people in broad day light, looting trillions, having links with militants, attacking supreme court, bribing judges, declaring others traitors (bhutto, benzair and laghari) and list of his sins and crimes goes on and on well it's hard to forget all of that buddy.
Let's not, as that is the most important part.
It is quite convenient to jump on the high horse and claim the morally high altitude, but every strategic geopolitical country has directly or indirectly supported “non-state actors”. Some are good and some are bad, and it all depend which narrative is fashionable in the world.
I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.
Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.
Yeah Kulbushun Yadav was on lion safari in Baluchistan right? Every state employs state and non-state actors to safeguard their interests and further their agendas.
Also India's narrative of Ajmal Kasab being a Pakistani state sponsored agent had totally been refuted in the world media, India didn't even allow Ajmal councillor access something we have granted Yadav, India even rejected Pakistan's request to conduct joint investigation and hanged Kasab even before any conclusive evidence could be conducted. Heck there were murmurs within India itself that Kasab might not have been Pakistani; one Major General of Indian Army wrote a book saying Kasab might have been a RAW agent gone rouge. With Nawaz Sharif's statement all of that has gone out of the window and he singlehandedly completely destroyed the Pakistani narrative. But liberal keyboard warriors like you need every opportunity to bash the boys laying down their lives for your country day and night.
You seem to buying into our establishments old school “good Taliban and bad Taliban” and “good non state actors and bad non state actors” narrative. All the I can say to that is even if that narrative is supposedly right, it has caused nothing but harm to our country and national interests.
https://www.dawn.com/news/623876/ex-isi-men-likely-behind-2611-attacks-says-atharISLAMABAD: Military spokesman Maj-Gen Athar Abbas has hinted at involvement of retired ISI officials in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, but categorically denied any role of serving spies.
The ISPR chief, in his interaction with the visiting delegation of Indian journalists and in an interview with CNN-IBN, indicated the possibility of some retired officials collaborating with Mumbai perpetrators.
This is probably the first time that Pakistan military has suggested possible links between retired ISI men and Lashkar-e-Taiba, though India had in the past accused serving officials of being involved.
Maj-Gen Abbas described the group responsible for the attacks as a splinter group of LeT headed by Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, who is being tried by an anti-terrorism court in Rawalpindi.
He denied ISI had any links with the Haqqani Network – an accusation made by Chairman US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen during his visit to Islamabad last week.
The military spokesman reiterated the demand for an end to US drone strikes in tribal areas.
You want to hold a man "accountable" and "punish" him for saying something that most people already know to be true?
If you want your country to get better you have to have a greater commitment to truth. Lies rot away the character of a nation.
You want to hold a man "accountable" and "punish" him for saying something that most people already know to be true?
If you want your country to get better you have to have a greater commitment to truth. Lies rot away the character of a nation.
You want to hold a man "accountable" and "punish" him for saying something that most people already know to be true?
If you want your country to get better you have to have a greater commitment to truth. Lies rot away the character of a nation.
This wasn't the case until the late 1970s and early 80s from what i know.
I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.
Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.
So India committed this act upon itself...do you also believe in 911 being an inside job
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I don't know about Pakistan government but Pakistanis do have a choice now to finally come out strong and condemn this horrific act of terrorism of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated from within their soil by their citizens. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent people including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Pakistanis still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to these comments by Noora rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of terrorism.
Of course people can still choose to believe Pakistan had no role in 26/11 and that it was an inside operation by Government of India/RAW to justify its propaganda against Pakistan like they have been for years.
I guess the NSC forgot what ISPR said back in 2011.
https://www.dawn.com/news/623876/ex-isi-men-likely-behind-2611-attacks-says-athar
A bit rich coming from a citizen of a nation which elected the Butcher of Gujrat as their PM. The Gujrat riots and the mass killings of Muslims was State authorised. Innocent citizens died that day and your whole machinery, Government, Judiciary, Parliament - all failed to take action against the sitting CM at the time.
So please, do the honours and set the precedence by impeaching your PM for his heinous role in the Gujrat massacre of which there is now not an ounce of doubt was orchestrated by him. It led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocent Indian citizens including young children and elderly. It would be a shame on humanity if ordinary Indians still choose to rather react to the so called dent on their global image due to their PMs impeachment rather than using this moment in time as a convenient excuse to finally come out of the closet in condemning this despicable act of genocide against their own people.
It seems you didnt read Nawaz's statements clearly or didnt understand the nuance.
Nawaz Sharif implies that the attacks were allowed to happen by establishment as a policy whereas the statements you posted here dont do that.
Also.... There may or may not have been a military/intelligence role in the Mumbai attacks. That is not the point. NS is going against the stand taken by the state and compromising national interests/narrative
So prosecute and punish him in all those other crimes you have listed, not this statement which seem to have some validity to it.