Should Pakistan have a different Coach and Selector for the Test format? Mickey/Inzi have failed

[shaz619]

We have been absolutely terrible in Tests, shambolic! and I fear that even Ireland could may upset us. Our decline began the moment Inzi / Mickey took over, to be fair to them they are doing a passable job in the limited forms, our major success should be attributed to the PSL and a fine leader in Sarfraz. But in Tests we have been terrible, I actually wouldn't mind bringing back Waqar Younis; we were undefeated in the fortress at least !

I have lost my patience with the current lost, am SHOCKED that people have already made peace with the fact that we lost 2-0 to Lanka ! if we are so quick to hype Mickey and Inzi they deserve a lot of criticism to and possible punishment in the form of lining up for the firing squad in the Test format !

My only concern about having multiple coach's and selectors for distinct formats is that Inzi and Mickey are known to have some huge ego's so am not sure they'd be professional enough to get along with other coaching staff.

It's a radical idea but a potentially revolutionary one, Inzi has been anything but revolutionary and we know how silly he was as a captain and a batsman at times! the guy fell over his own wickets for gods sake! that man is now the national selector

Thank ALLAH swt that we have the PSL which has been the main source for our success and a captain of Sarfraz's calibre but it could be short lived if we do not have a world class management set up which is capable of ensuring our success in the ultimate format TEST CRICKET.

 

[Pete Rose]

No need. Pakistan need to shed their deep rooted inferiority complex particular against Australia in Australia. They were up against a team that was being bitterly criticized for the performance against South Africa. Instead of being ruthless, they decided it was nice to give a send off gift to a couple of 40 year olds.

 

[shaz619]

We have lost 2 tests to the WI's home and away, 2 tests to NZ away, 3 to AUS away and 2 to a low ranked Lanka in recent times ! don't be fooled by our ODI results, clearly management is only doing their job HALF right but that is mostly to do with our talent resources but in the Test format there's no place to hide and we need to prepare extremely well to ensure our long term success.

In Mickey we have a coach that doesn't have the sense to even play 2 spinners in the UAE ! and he made that mistake not once but twice ! Do we honestly want such a coach to handle our affairs in the long term ? it seems we were all happy to lose to Lanka and give up one of the greatest streaks in HISTORY.

Inzi on the other hand selects an opener who has a batting average below 25, what on earth was going on there ?

Am sorry but there needs to be some accountability here.

 

[Bilal7]

Yes, it's absolutely pathetic how Inzimum has held back the development of Fawad Alam in favor of the TTFs that are Babar and Haris. I support him in LOIs but the man clearly does not understand test cricket.

Not to mention that he was against Sarfaraz Ahmed being given the captaincy. Thank God, his recommendation was not accepted and the PCB suits made the decision to appoint Sarfaraz the captain all on their own.

Furthermore, Inzimum clearly loves his family more than his country: what else explains his decision to not select Imam in the test squad for the series against Sri Lanka? He knew that Hurricane Herath was going to destroy the UAE and kept Imam away to ensure that his average is not disturbed.

Lastly, as everyone is saying, the PSL is the only reason for our success in the LO formats. After doing well in the PSL, Inzi simply could not keep the youngsters out because as we all know, no previous CS has ignored players doing well in domestic cricket.

I simply don't trust Inzimum. What's he hiding under that dress? [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right about him all along, a pity he has been quite about Inzamam's failures ever since we started our current hot run of form in the LO formats.

 

[Bilal7]

We have lost 2 tests to the WI's home and away, 2 tests to NZ away, 3 to AUS away and 2 to a low ranked Lanka in recent times ! don't be fooled by our ODI results, clearly management is only doing their job HALF right but that is mostly to do with our talent resources but in the Test format there's no place to hide and we need to prepare extremely well to ensure our long term success.

In Mickey we have a coach that doesn't have the sense to even play 2 spinners in the UAE ! and he made that mistake not once but twice ! Do we honestly want such a coach to handle our affairs in the long term ? it seems we were all happy to lose to Lanka and give up one of the greatest streaks in HISTORY.

Inzi on the other hand selects an opener who has a batting average below 25, what on earth was going on there ?

Am sorry but there needs to be some accountability here.

How dare Inzamam select a team that lost a test series in Australia? It's pathetic. Not to mention that he selected a team that also lost test matches to other teams! An outrage. Inzamam should be sacked.

#MissYouHaroon

 

[Black Zero]

It was mind boggling that Micky did not pick second spinner and tried to defend their decision. So, basically demonstrated a very rigid mind set.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Inzamam's job has been made easier due to PSL. It has allowed talented players to showcase their abilities and gain instant recognition. The likes of Hasan, Shadab, Fakhar Asghar etc. would not have been fast-tracked by the great revolutionary if it wasn't for the PSL.

The revolutionary was captain from 2004 to 2007, and Pakistan won the U-19 World Cup in both 2004 and 2006. How many of those youngsters did the revolutionary pick? The excuse that there were no vacancies in the team at that time is nonsense. Inzamam simply has the good fortune of being the Chief Selector in the PSL era, nothing more.

However, having a different Chief Selector and a coach for Test cricket is an impractical solution. Mickey is good but he hasn't worked out the UAE conditions yet, and we are short on Test class batsmen at the moment.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Nope, not practical .

You have to play your best players in the format, suited for right conditions, and not based on experience and LOI performance.

1.Sami(Should be given one more series)

2.Imam

3.Azhar

4.Haris

5.Usman

6.Sarfraz * +

7.Fahim(as 3rd seamer in Asia )/ *Hafeez(as 2nd spinner outside Asia)

8.Yasir

9.Hassan

10.Amir(outside Asia)/ Wahab (in Asia)

11.Raza hassan(Second spinner in Asia)/ Abbas (Third seamer outside Asia)

There are 14 players above.

Add Hamza and Saad Ali, this makes 16.

Send Babar and Asad to domestics.


* Hafeez should be dropped from t20is for ever.

Keep him in the squad in tests . Don't play him Asia. Just play outside Asia at no.7, as an AR.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

give them time just we gave them time after some shocking odi results


Hopefully micky has learnt from not playing two spinners as well.

More broadly speaking a 2 coach system will never work in Pakistan

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Inzamam's job has been made easier due to PSL. It has allowed talented players to showcase their abilities and gain instant recognition. The likes of Hasan, Shadab, Fakhar Asghar etc. would not have been fast-tracked by the great revolutionary if it wasn't for the PSL.

The revolutionary was captain from 2004 to 2007, and Pakistan won the U-19 World Cup in both 2004 and 2006. How many of those youngsters did the revolutionary pick? The excuse that there were no vacancies in the team at that time is nonsense. Inzamam simply has the good fortune of being the Chief Selector in the PSL era, nothing more.

However, having a different Chief Selector and a coach for Test cricket is an impractical solution. Mickey is good but he hasn't worked out the UAE conditions yet, and we are short on Test class batsmen at the moment.

I've noticed people tend to go off on a tangent when there's even a tiny bit of criticism directed at Inzi or Mickey to avoid having to come up with a retort because there's no adequate one for the selection of Shan Masood or the fact that we lost for the first time in almost 10 years in the UAE by 2-0 in a series against a low ranked Lanka, prior to this our results have been shocking to say the least over the last 12 months or so. I always give credit where due and fair play Inzi and Mickey are doing very well in the limited forms, I give them a solid C+ and like you say the PSL has been a revelation. I wasn't Inzi's biggest fan as captain either, we're lucky that Bob Woolmer was around to do all the thinking for him though.

Yes I know it's not a practical either but it's just a thought having someone new for the Test format because I know Mickey and Inzi have already signed long term contracts so this is just a desperate measure in a way but looks like we"ll have to settle for them during this run, I've also made this suggestion to highlight the ineptness of Mickey and Inzi in the Test format which tend to get a pass because of our recent success in the limited forms.

These are justified criticisms but people keep on saying oh you want haroon rashid or mohsin khan back, nope I don't want them back but that also does not meant that Inzi or Mickey can not be criticised for the mistakes they make.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

These are justified criticisms but people keep on saying oh you want haroon rashid or mohsin khan back, nope I don't want them back but that also does not meant that Inzi or Mickey can not be criticised for the mistakes they make.

This.

I agree 100%.

 

[the Great Khan]

I am very very relaxed about our Test side. I've been watching Test cricket for a long time now. It takes time for a good test side to be built. Yes we lost to them but I am not perturbed. I expect us to go down the rankings for a bit until our young players can adjust. If we are still languishing in a two or three years then I'll lose patience. Not now.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Bad idea.. give some time to Mickey and Sarfraz they are good enough to deal with it ad will turn the results soon (not within a year)...

Im sure they must have learnt from the mistakes of this series...The problem is next test series in England, not expecting pakistan to win there anyway with such a young inexperienced lineup

 

[CricFan2012]

No they haven't.

Beating Australia in Australia was always going to be hard, our players chickened out of the challenge and just weren't good enough, especially in New Zealand, we all saw how badly Younis and Misbah got exposed there, they were too old.

Sri lankan series was their first mistake, especially Mickey who still doesn't select an offspinner for the second match.

We need to give them more time.

We would be applauding them if Mickey had misbah and younis for a couples series in the UAE

 

[Hasan123]

No. Need the same coach and selector for all formats. Inzi has done a good job,MA must improve in tests.

 

[shaz619]

No. Need the same coach and selector for all formats. Inzi has done a good job,MA must improve in tests.

He still keeps picking Masood and Shehzad Mickey did not have the intelligence to play 2 spinners in the UAE, don't have high hopes

 

[Hasan123]

He still keeps picking Masood and Shehzad Mickey did not have the intelligence to play 2 spinners in the UAE, don't have high hopes

I thought you liked MA?

 

[MenInG]

You need one coach to oversee development of all squads

Captain I am not too sure but then the best man for the job should be chosen; not based on having one captain for all formats

 

[AAli98]

You need one coach to oversee development of all squads

Captain I am not too sure but then the best man for the job should be chosen; not based on having one captain for all formats

Micky & co have been consistent in tests when chasing:

130 they get out for 120
300 they get out for 250
490 they get out for 450

Not to mention couple of legendary collapses.