Should Pakistani-Americans vote for Trump or Biden?

[Shah]

Republicans all the way back to Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Bush 2 and Trump have been friendly to Pakistan. Reagan was real chummy with Zia during the fight against the Russians.

On the other hand, democrat presidents have been critical of Pakistan like Johnson, Clinton & Obama. Remember how tough Clinton was? Obama had the most drone attacks on Pakistan ever.

Kamala Harris is very pro-Indian as her mother was Indian. Looks like most of the Indians in the U.S. are voting for Biden because of the VP pick.

 

[Gilly]

You should vote for who you think is the best person to be president.

 

[Syed1]

You should vote for who you think is the best person to be president.

 

[Bigboii]

We are not living in Pakistan are we?

all the good things you are listing is only good for the nation of Pakistan not Pakistani- Americans

 

[Gilly]

Glad to be of service.

 

[Bigboii]

I know [MENTION=17315]Stewie[/MENTION] disagrees with me but Trump is compared to Biden an isolationist

We can discuss if he is that way because that's his philosophy or he is just stupid when it comes to diplomacy but whatever he is doing is leading towards isolationism

Know I am 100% in favor of isolationism because that's what founders wanted from the country stay in your corner of the world and enjoy the bounty god has blessed the country with

US doesn't gain anything from getting involved in the worlds affair because

late 1800s number 1 economy still the number 1 economy of the world
In late 1800s no army, no wars
After WW2 we have been involved in too many wars, so many fallen soldiers, too much trauma, too much debt, too many families devastated by war

European is defense is subsidized by the US (through NATO)
European healthcare system is being subsidized by US consumer (pharmaceutical companies can charge as much as they want in US but in Europe there's a limit so companies fill their loses through US consumers)
World security is being subsidized through the US taxpayers (all the bases and the fleets)

But we didn't really gain anything economy was number 1 just the way it has always been for so many generations so it doesn't really affect US all that much but the money could been spent in building infrastructure (since the 50s no one even touched anything) and providing basic necessities for the people

So choice is clear world is making US the ultimate "mamoo" or "fool" and we should realize it and get out of the worlds affairs and Trump is the clear choice when it comes to that

But as a Pakistani-American I don't like it when he disrespects our people, he is clearly not the biggest fan of immigrants in general thank god for the great constitution/ court system of this country that he cant really do much discrimination

So ultimately the Pakistani side is No
the American side is Yes

 

[Greenstorm]

Trump is good for Pakistan although I can understand why Pakistani Americans won't vote for him.

 

[Robert]

Well, I would vote for the one who hasn’t deliberately stirred up racism and instigated a Muslim immigration ban.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You should vote for who you think is the best person to be president.

This is not how it works. You vote based on your racial and religious identity, especially for third world immigrants.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I believe Kamala is pro-Kashmir.

 

[Giannis]

Biden obviously. Kamala identifies as black and is seen as a black woman also she has been spoken in favor of Kashmir and critically of the Indian government, people tend to forget that while she may be half Indian, that indian side of hers is Tamils and Tamils are from the farthest region of India's from the Pakistani border, they're the most culturally divergent from Pakistanis than any other Indian ethnic group so they don't have the same animosity towards Pakistanis/Kashmiris that other Indians harbor. Also she's a Christian not a Hindu and obviously being Tamil means no bad blood with Pakistanis.

 

[Varun]

Well, I would vote for the one who hasn’t deliberately stirred up racism and instigated a Muslim immigration ban.

You mean the VP who authorized drone strikes over Pakistan and Afghanistan?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Republicans all the way back to Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Bush 2 and Trump have been friendly to Pakistan. Reagan was real chummy with Zia during the fight against the Russians.

On the other hand, democrat presidents have been critical of Pakistan like Johnson, Clinton & Obama. Remember how tough Clinton was? Obama had the most drone attacks on Pakistan ever.

Kamala Harris is very pro-Indian as her mother was Indian. Looks like most of the Indians in the U.S. are voting for Biden because of the VP pick.

Isn't that often just the Democrats trying to prove they aren't soft touches to try to win hawk votes? Strikes me as similar to Congress pandering to Hindutva vote in India, even though they clearly don't live and breathe the ethos like BJP do.

What reason have Democrats got to be aggressive towards Pakistan anyway? Drone strikes and air raids were probably military-led initiatives, not sure it makes that much difference who the govt is when the US military decides action is imperative.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Biden obviously. Kamala identifies as black and is seen as a black woman also she has been spoken in favor of Kashmir and critically of the Indian government, people tend to forget that while she may be half Indian, that indian side of hers is Tamils and Tamils are from the farthest region of India's from the Pakistani border, they're the most culturally divergent from Pakistanis than any other Indian ethnic group so they don't have the same animosity towards Pakistanis/Kashmiris that other Indians harbor. Also she's a Christian not a Hindu and obviously being Tamil means no bad blood with Pakistanis.

Im sure she is no fan of Modi and Indian state terrorism in Kashmir but I doubt her views will turn into policy.

Trump spreads more hate towards minorities but in terms of actual policies towards Pakistan he is very much the lesser of two evils. Obomber increased drones strikes after Bush , but went around parading as some great peaceful liberal leader when in reality he was no less of a war monger.

 

[Greenstorm]

Isn't that often just the Democrats trying to prove they aren't soft touches to try to win hawk votes? Strikes me as similar to Congress pandering to Hindutva vote in India, even though they clearly don't live and breathe the ethos like BJP do.

What reason have Democrats got to be aggressive towards Pakistan anyway? Drone strikes and air raids were probably military-led initiatives, not sure it makes that much difference who the govt is when the US military decides action is imperative.

I think unlike most democrat presidents, Trump has the ability to reign in the ever present hawks in American establishment.

 

[Robert]

You mean the VP who authorized drone strikes over Pakistan and Afghanistan?

I very much doubt the Veep “authorised “ those. POTUS would have.

Remember that 44 extricated USA from 43’s wars in those nations.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Vote Trump if you want better economy.

Vote Dems if you are poor and want some freebies.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

I very much doubt the Veep “authorised “ those. POTUS would have.

Remember that 44 extricated USA from 43’s wars in those nations.

VP never condemned drone strikes in AFG and PAK.

 

[Bigboii]

Vote Trump if you want better economy.

Vote Dems if you are poor and want some freebies.

Not a really good pitch
Most of the country is poor...

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Not a really good pitch
Most of the country is poor...

The poorer the society is, the better freebies look appealing to them. This is exactly what Dems with their socialistic approach thrive on. Law and Order is another important thing that Dem ruled states are not known for.

 

[James]

American foreign policy transcends the US President. It is an aggressive military-industrial machine over which the White House has only limited influence. And if the White House attempts to seize control of it — as Trump has sometimes threatened to do — then it promptly bites back.

Whether the Democrats or the Republicans hold executive power therefore does not make much of a difference to American foreign policy. Moreover the two-term rule suits this military-industrial complex down to the ground, as no President will ever be in office for long enough to start unpicking and unravelling the deeply embedded processes within American politics.

If Biden wins as expected, then I’m sure he will be the most easily manipulated of the many nodding puppets thus far.

 

[Bigboii]

The poorer the society is, the better freebies look appealing to them. This is exactly what Dems with their socialistic approach thrive on. Law and Order is another important thing that Dem ruled states are not known for.

if social conservatism is adopted but not with the racist touch than I think it can pernitrate immigrants and African Americans

- don't like abortion
- don't like LGBTQ
- big on family values
- big on religion (I know lots of Islamic schools charging fees that's why Muslims can't afford one so they take their kids to public schools)
what republicans want is charter schools so religious schools can operate easily this would be a dream come true for Muslim communities who would love to have the opportunity to attend Islamic schools instead of public schools
- because academic standard is quite low in public schools
- social values are not like that of a devout Muslim

if the racism part is controlled than I can see all the immigrants, AAs turning and voting conservative

but minorities should also think about what is right for them and their values and not just go towards party politics that republicans can never do any good for minorities which is false tbh

 

[Giannis]

American foreign policy transcends the US President. It is an aggressive military-industrial machine over which the White House has only limited influence. And if the White House attempts to seize control of it — as Trump has sometimes threatened to do — then it promptly bites back.

Whether the Democrats or the Republicans hold executive power therefore does not make much of a difference to American foreign policy. Moreover the two-term rule suits this military-industrial complex down to the ground, as no President will ever be in office for long enough to start unpicking and unravelling the deeply embedded processes within American politics.

If Biden wins as expected, then I’m sure he will be the most easily manipulated of the many nodding puppets thus far.

Great analysis, this is straight facts.

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] please make this post of the week

 

[Lurker_Ind]

if social conservatism is adopted but not with the racist touch than I think it can pernitrate immigrants and African Americans

- don't like abortion
- don't like LGBTQ
- big on family values
- big on religion (I know lots of Islamic schools charging fees that's why Muslims can't afford one so they take their kids to public schools)
what republicans want is charter schools so religious schools can operate easily this would be a dream come true for Muslim communities who would love to have the opportunity to attend Islamic schools instead of public schools
- because academic standard is quite low in public schools
- social values are not like that of a devout Muslim

if the racism part is controlled than I can see all the immigrants, AAs turning and voting conservative

but minorities should also think about what is right for them and their values and not just go towards party politics that republicans can never do any good for minorities which is false tbh

I do not agree with everything that conservatives do and say. I also do not agree with certain conservative policies. However, you cannot put a price on security and prosperity. I would not have voted for Republicans if not for BLM and Antifa thugs who rioted like the world is going to end in the last few months.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

We are not living in Pakistan are we?

all the good things you are listing is only good for the nation of Pakistan not Pakistani- Americans

This right here . Vote for the one that has a good domestic policy and is friendly towards minorities . That does not automatically means biden though . Gotta look at teh big picture.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

I know [MENTION=17315]Stewie[/MENTION] disagrees with me but Trump is compared to Biden an isolationist

We can discuss if he is that way because that's his philosophy or he is just stupid when it comes to diplomacy but whatever he is doing is leading towards isolationism

Know I am 100% in favor of isolationism because that's what founders wanted from the country stay in your corner of the world and enjoy the bounty god has blessed the country with

US doesn't gain anything from getting involved in the worlds affair because

late 1800s number 1 economy still the number 1 economy of the world
In late 1800s no army, no wars
After WW2 we have been involved in too many wars, so many fallen soldiers, too much trauma, too much debt, too many families devastated by war

European is defense is subsidized by the US (through NATO)
European healthcare system is being subsidized by US consumer (pharmaceutical companies can charge as much as they want in US but in Europe there's a limit so companies fill their loses through US consumers)
World security is being subsidized through the US taxpayers (all the bases and the fleets)

But we didn't really gain anything economy was number 1 just the way it has always been for so many generations so it doesn't really affect US all that much but the money could been spent in building infrastructure (since the 50s no one even touched anything) and providing basic necessities for the people

So choice is clear world is making US the ultimate "mamoo" or "fool" and we should realize it and get out of the worlds affairs and Trump is the clear choice when it comes to that

But as a Pakistani-American I don't like it when he disrespects our people, he is clearly not the biggest fan of immigrants in general thank god for the great constitution/ court system of this country that he cant really do much discrimination

So ultimately the Pakistani side is No
the American side is Yes

Gotta say , you summed up the predicament of Pakistani-Americans pretty well . Also a lot of Pakistani's tend to be business owners and the GOP is the pro business party .Dems like to pander to big corps. TBH if TRUMP wasn't racist/divisive he'd be a clear choice . He should've toned down on the racism after getting elected but he doubled down on it .

 

[KingKhanWC]

American foreign policy transcends the US President. It is an aggressive military-industrial machine over which the White House has only limited influence. And if the White House attempts to seize control of it — as Trump has sometimes threatened to do — then it promptly bites back.

Whether the Democrats or the Republicans hold executive power therefore does not make much of a difference to American foreign policy. Moreover the two-term rule suits this military-industrial complex down to the ground, as no President will ever be in office for long enough to start unpicking and unravelling the deeply embedded processes within American politics.

If Biden wins as expected, then I’m sure he will be the most easily manipulated of the many nodding puppets thus far.

You are correct, Zionism owns US foriegn policy esp towards Middle East, however the President has to authorise or be ok with it. Trump was being goaded into some sort of war with Iran but he refused and instead used harsh language and went for a terrorist attack on a high ranking General.

Hilary and the democrats are firmly under Zionist control , which is why Hilary wanted a no fly zone in Syria. Yep sure try to stop Russian jets over Syrian air space possibly leading to all out war with Russia.

When it comes to Pakistan, they have little left now Pakistan has decimated their controlled terrorists , along with sending the Yanks back defeated after 20 years of occupation.

Pakistan doesnt really care who wins now but would prefer Trump due to his openly vocal praise of Imran Khan, no other reason.

 

[Giannis]

Gotta say , you summed up the predicament of Pakistani-Americans pretty well . Also a lot of Pakistani's tend to be business owners and the GOP is the pro business party .Dems like to pander to big corps. TBH if TRUMP wasn't racist/divisive he'd be a clear choice . He should've toned down on the racism after getting elected but he doubled down on it .

Uh.....no.

Republicans lost Pak-Americans after 9/11 and the anti-Muslim hysteria that followed, it's too late now. They will never get Muslim Americans back in our lifetime. There's nothing pro-business about the GOPs platform lmaoo, they're just stooges of the big corporation which is why some of the biggest beneficiaries of the Payroll Protection program were big corporations and wealthy politicians.

 

[Rayyman]

Y’all don’t need to tell us what to do

 

[Colorblind Genius]

With Kamala Harris onboard with Biden, my vote easily goes for Trump.
I have many difference of opinions with Trump but Trump is good for America and the American people.
Pre-Covid, the American economy wasn’t doing too bad and unemployment rate was quite low under Teump’s govt.
Trump may have a bad character but he is NOT conventional politician, the breed that we all curse 24/7.

And then Kamala is going to be all pro-India. She isn’t getting my vote.

I will vote Trump. He is brave, he is crude and he is not very articulate, but I think he is honest with the country.

Rest are free to make their choice.

 

[Robert]

VP never condemned drone strikes in AFG and PAK.

You think he was ever going to criticise his boss?

Seriously?

 

[Robert]

With Kamala Harris onboard with Biden, my vote easily goes for Trump.
I have many difference of opinions with Trump but Trump is good for America and the American people.
Pre-Covid, the American economy wasn’t doing too bad and unemployment rate was quite low under Teump’s govt.
Trump may have a bad character but he is NOT conventional politician, the breed that we all curse 24/7.

And then Kamala is going to be all pro-India. She isn’t getting my vote.

I will vote Trump. He is brave, he is crude and he is not very articulate, but I think he is honest with the country.

Rest are free to make their choice.

You would vote for someone who has trashed the entire concept of the truth, encouraged ignorance, failed to save a hundred thousand lives through an intellectual inability to understand COVID, deliberately widened the racial fractures in US society, enabled white supremacy and alienated all America’s allies.

This man is the worst thing to happen to USA since the Civil War.

He hates you.

For shame!

 

[Robert]

American foreign policy transcends the US President. It is an aggressive military-industrial machine over which the White House has only limited influence. And if the White House attempts to seize control of it — as Trump has sometimes threatened to do — then it promptly bites back.

Whether the Democrats or the Republicans hold executive power therefore does not make much of a difference to American foreign policy. Moreover the two-term rule suits this military-industrial complex down to the ground, as no President will ever be in office for long enough to start unpicking and unravelling the deeply embedded processes within American politics.

If Biden wins as expected, then I’m sure he will be the most easily manipulated of the many nodding puppets thus far.

Yes. The term “military-industrial complex” was coined by Ike in the fifties.

POTW material [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] !

 

[Bigboii]

You would vote for someone who has trashed the entire concept of the truth, encouraged ignorance, failed to save a hundred thousand lives through an intellectual inability to understand COVID, deliberately widened the racial fractures in US society, enabled white supremacy and alienated all America’s allies.

This man is the worst thing to happen to USA since the Civil War.

He hates you.

For shame!

First of all when you have to pay for your allies than they become leeches not allies so that's good

We should be aliegnating from Europe and the rest of the world asap

Because all Europe knew was to suck the resources from the rest of the world and built up their barren lands that's why they're big on alliances

But US has more than enough to not need alliences, economy is great no military threat

There's absolutely no need for maintaining these stupid one sided alliances in the first place

It's time to retire!

 

[Robert]

First of all when you have to pay for your allies than they become leeches not allies so that's good

We should be aliegnating from Europe and the rest of the world asap

Because all Europe knew was to suck the resources from the rest of the world and built up their barren lands that's why they're big on alliances

But US has more than enough to not need alliences, economy is great no military threat

There's absolutely no need for maintaining these stupid one sided alliances in the first place

It's time to retire!

Trump actually had a point about NATO allies not spending their 2% of GDP on defence. That’s the one thing I agree with him on.

If you’re American I would not bang the drum on exploiting native populations - either at home or in numerous other nations.

Try pulling out of support of Israel and see what happens to the Mid West vote. No POTUS would dare.

China is going to overtake the US economy soon, the cold winds will start to blow and then you might need your old friends.

 

[moghul]

I hate Democrates, and have not been voting for them most of the time, but can;t imagine voting for the guy responsible for so many deaths due to covid 19 and its not over yet. I have already voted for Biden , with a heavy heart, wish I had more choices.

Also , I did not save a penny on his fake Tax reduction, only the super rich made more money.

And the way he snatched small children from their mothers crossing the southern border was heartless, Trump is a heartless cruel monster.

I paid so many taxes and this man has not paid any thing for 15 years , unbelievable. If he loses, there is a good chance he will be sent to jail by IRS, can;t wait for that .

Doesn;t matter what is your ethnicity or religion, is morally wrong to vote Trump.

 

[Bigboii]

Trump actually had a point about NATO allies not spending their 2% of GDP on defence. That’s the one thing I agree with him on.

If you’re American I would not bang the drum on exploiting native populations - either at home or in numerous other nations.

Try pulling out of support of Israel and see what happens to the Mid West vote. No POTUS would dare.

China is going to overtake the US economy soon, the cold winds will start to blow and then you might need your old friends.

In time of isolationism was US exploiting more groups of people than compared to even 1 colonial western european country?
If we're going to lay of the world affairs will we be able to exploit other countries on the world atleast compared to the levels of what we're doing right know?

You can pull out of the world affairs slowly and keep on supporting Israel that doesn't mean you cannot pull out of other countries (if someplace is important to you you have more than enough resources to stay and defend that country that doesn't mean you need bases in Germany, Japan to defend Israel) you can do both

Even if China takes over
US economy is more than capable to not only survive but thrive because there are so many resources in the country with solid system in place trust me US would be more than alright in terms of it's living standards (just historically shown by the fact that our economy stay number 1 before ww2 during isolationist policies so it means resources are there to keep america economically strong without being involved with world affairs)
China can rise but that doesn't mean US economy is decreasing

Do you really think china is stupid enough to get mischievous with US in Western hemisphere? (Hell people don't interfere in Russian sphere of influence and you think US (literally thousands of miles away from rest of the world) would be so pathetic without getting involved in world affairs that china would ride down their dinkies thousand of miles from china and threaten that doesn't make sense )

It's like going into a sleeping gorilla's cage what would China gain from that it's beyond me?

Europe needs "leech" friends not US...

 

[Lurker_Ind]

You think he was ever going to criticise his boss?

Seriously?

He can say it now. Biden has not been VP for almost 4 years and never he said sorry or admitted Obama Governments mistake of droning.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

You would vote for someone who has trashed the entire concept of the truth, encouraged ignorance, failed to save a hundred thousand lives through an intellectual inability to understand COVID, deliberately widened the racial fractures in US society, enabled white supremacy and alienated all America’s allies.

This man is the worst thing to happen to USA since the Civil War.

He hates you.

For shame!

Yes, he may hate me and he may have lied at some occasions but he is still good for the country in a bigger picture. Trump still gets my vote.

So far as Covid goes, IMO it's foolish to blame any head of the state anywhere in the world. This thing spread so rapidly and so quickly that almost every nation in the world became helpless.

Seriously, look at your own country's chart for the second wave. It seems even more ridiculous that Boris Johnson failed to control the second wave even after being the first hand victim of the first wave. Getting the idea?

Fact of the matter is, Trump is not a conventional politician. Politics is not his career and he didn't inherit it either.
He doesn't think and act like those scumbag conventional politicians. His approach is crude and straight forward and borderline awkward but he is not a yes man puppet to many, and that's why many have grouped up against him. Which is OK. And that's why, he gets my vote again.

 

[Robert]

Yes, he may hate me and he may have lied at some occasions but he is still good for the country in a bigger picture. Trump still gets my vote.

So far as Covid goes, IMO it's foolish to blame any head of the state anywhere in the world. This thing spread so rapidly and so quickly that almost every nation in the world became helpless.

Seriously, look at your own country's chart for the second wave. It seems even more ridiculous that Boris Johnson failed to control the second wave even after being the first hand victim of the first wave. Getting the idea?

Fact of the matter is, Trump is not a conventional politician. Politics is not his career and he didn't inherit it either.
He doesn't think and act like those scumbag conventional politicians. His approach is crude and straight forward and borderline awkward but he is not a yes man puppet to many, and that's why many have grouped up against him. Which is OK. And that's why, he gets my vote again.

No. Johnson is useless. Look at the death rates in Germany, Austria, Sweden - they handled this thing far better. And Trump is a Putin puppet.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Uh.....no.

Republicans lost Pak-Americans after 9/11 and the anti-Muslim hysteria that followed, it's too late now. They will never get Muslim Americans back in our lifetime. There's nothing pro-business about the GOPs platform lmaoo, they're just stooges of the big corporation which is why some of the biggest beneficiaries of the Payroll Protection program were big corporations and wealthy politicians.

Not talking about Muslims as a whole just Pakistani Americans.

 

[Star_Coffee]

Yes, he may hate me and he may have lied at some occasions but he is still good for the country in a bigger picture. Trump still gets my vote.
If you have elaborate further regarding 'the bigger picture" then it would help others to understand, but him lying and hate, just this year, has caused the lives. Every politician lie but it is up to us to hold them responsible.

So far as Covid goes, IMO it's foolish to blame any head of the state anywhere in the world. This thing spread so rapidly and so quickly that almost every nation in the world became helpless.

Excuse to exonerate Trump. recording exist where he understood the severity of this virus while downplaying in public, exposure to the virus is not just impact an individual but the whole community, lets not minimize his intentional downplaying it, there are many other countries which has handled it better than US while their leader were being upfront to the general public which has saved many lives.

Seriously, look at your own country's chart for the second wave. It seems even more ridiculous that Boris Johnson failed to control the second wave even after being the first hand victim of the first wave. Getting the idea?

Comparing one useless leader with another does not proof nothing but incompetency.

Fact of the matter is, Trump is not a conventional politician. Politics is not his career and he didn't inherit it either.

Plenty of politician who aren't career politician and is not an excuse to act like a man child, many non-careered, unconventional politician has succeeded, and people are criticizing his decision and the way he behave, no intelligent person should be using him not being a career politician to justify his behaviour.

He doesn't think and act like those scumbag conventional politicians. His approach is crude and straight forward and borderline awkward but he is not a yes man puppet to many, and that's why many have grouped up against him. Which is OK. And that's why, he gets my vote again.

LOL, sure

So much to unpack, unbelievable and low quality intellectual and devoid of facts ridiculous excuse to support someone.

 

[Technics 1210]

No. Johnson is useless. Look at the death rates in Germany, Austria, Sweden - they handled this thing far better. And Trump is a Putin puppet.

The other day you said had the current measures not been in place then more would've died. Now you are switching your tune again?

Trump a Putin puppet, that old chestnut.

Who should take BJs place then? Certainly no one from your Liberal party I hope? Defecting political side already?

 

[moghul]

You would vote for someone who has trashed the entire concept of the truth, encouraged ignorance, failed to save a hundred thousand lives through an intellectual inability to understand COVID, deliberately widened the racial fractures in US society, enabled white supremacy and alienated all America’s allies.

This man is the worst thing to happen to USA since the Civil War.

He hates you.

For shame!

Exactly.

 

[Gilly]

Which person has Pakistan fared better under, the Trump administration or the Obama/Biden administration.

 

[Varun]

You think he was ever going to criticise his boss?

Seriously?

He was the Vice President. Not Joe Public.

In that capacity and in the years since if he can't open his mouth on the subject, he should have no problem in us opining on the fact that he's useless and a fraud.

Mark my post - if Biden comes to power, 1 or 2 more Muslim countries will end up with smoking mess, be it by drones or otherwise.

 

[Manunited18]

I'd vote for trump, unlike Obama, or either of the Muppets bush senior or junior he doesn't go around bombing countries which in it self caused this blast of terrorism every where.

 

[Robert]

He was the Vice President. Not Joe Public.

Which is why he wouldn’t criticise his boss. Right? You honestly expected him to resign as Veep?

 

[Varun]

Which is why he wouldn’t criticise his boss. Right? You honestly expected him to resign as Veep?

He can't walk the talk. He can't talk the walk.

The Presidency is not for him.

 

[Robert]

I'd vote for trump, unlike Obama, or either of the Muppets bush senior or junior he doesn't go around bombing countries which in it self caused this blast of terrorism every where.

Trump bombed Afghanistan for three years.

 

[Robert]

He can't walk the talk. He can't talk the walk.

The Presidency is not for him.

I honestly have no idea what this means or what relevance it has to what he did when he was Veep. Why won’t you answer my question?

 

[Varun]

I honestly have no idea what this means or what relevance it has to what he did when he was Veep. Why won’t you answer my question?

What's there to answer? As vice president:

1. He was responsible in his senior capacity to bombard nations around the world.
2. He didn't speak out against it if he was opposed to it internally.
3. He hasn't said a word about it in the 4 years out of office.
4. You want people associated with the country in question - Pakistan - to vote for him. Go figure.

 

[Markhor]

Vote Trump if you want better economy.

Vote Dems if you are poor and want some freebies.

The biggest recipients of government welfare are red states like Alabama, Kentucky and West Virginia.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/states-dependent-federal-government-180735773.html

 

[Robert]

What's there to answer? As vice president:

1. He was responsible in his senior capacity to bombard nations around the world.
2. He didn't speak out against it if he was opposed to it internally.
3. He hasn't said a word about it in the 4 years out of office.
4. You want people associated with the country in question - Pakistan - to vote for him. Go figure.

The question is why you think the Veep would ever speak against his own President.

 

[Varun]

The question is why you think the Veep would ever speak against his own President.

Because he is a different individual put into place to assist the President - in this case O'Bomber - make the right decision?

 

[sweep_shot]

Most Pakistani-Americans will probably vote for Biden. Let's see.

 

[Robert]

Because he is a different individual put into place to assist the President - in this case O'Bomber - make the right decision?

He will follow the line taken collectively by the POTUS, House and Senate. He might try to change minds behind closed doors, but once the decision is made is bound by the principle of collective responsibility.

Imagine a case where he condemns the bombing of Taliban and Al-Qaeda fighters who have crossed into Pakistan. In doing so going against the decision of the President, House, and the Senate he chairs. He will have to resign. This has never happened in US history.

Or if he does so after his term finished, he will be disavowed by his own Congressmen and Senators for decrying their collective decision, and lose political capital and the chance to win a future nomination.