Should PCB take responsibility for the spread of COVID-19 among the players?

[Mamoon]

As I have stated before, the so called new found professionalism of PCB is nothing but a facade.

Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani can do all the “high performance” drama that they want, but the level of carelessness and casual attitude shown towards COVID-19 is unforgivable.

Ever since the pictures of our training camp emerged, it was inevitable that as soon as one player catches the virus, it was going to spread like wildfire.

There was no concept of social distancing, no players were pictured wearing masks and they were bumping into each other without care.

It is important to note that all of this was happening under the eye of PCB. What they do in their private time may not be in PCB’s control, but there is no excuse for the fact that they were not following SOPs while training together.

As things stand, Pakistan cricket team is the only international team at the moment with a bunch of players testing positive for COVID-19, and it is obvious that these players infected each other while training together.

Our two stalwarts who are going to turn things around for Pakistan cricket need to come forward and assume responsibility for the fact that they failed - and failed with flying colors - to impose necessary precautionary measures to protect its players.

It is also time call off the tour. PCB is not a board that deserves to play cricket during these times. We can be fairly certain that ECB will ensure that there will be no goof up on their part, but you cannot trust PCB.

Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan need to get their act together before someone dies because of their incompetence.

 

[shah_1]

There should have been 14 days of strict social distancing(even from the family) before the test being conducted

 

[shamaan]

They pcb should be kept accountable for letting them train in stadiums but the players should be fined also bad situations for pakistan

 

[Savak]

I am sure if this was a PML-N, PPP govt in place and Mr Najam Sethi in charge, Mr Mamoon would give a different spin on this and would state that the PCB cannot baby sit and molly coddle everyone and ultimately the players themselves have to take charge and be responsible for following social distancing SOPs.

Unfortunately because this is a PTI and IK govt and a PTI, IK appointed PCB, the decision that only the govt and the PCB are responsible has already been made well in advance

 

[Mamoon]

I am sure if this was a PML-N, PPP govt in place and Mr Najam Sethi in charge, Mr Mamoon would give a different spin on this and would state that the PCB cannot baby sit and molly coddle everyone and ultimately the players themselves have to take charge and be responsible for following social distancing SOPs.

Unfortunately because this is a PTI and IK govt and a PTI, IK appointed PCB, the decision that only the govt and the PCB are responsible has already been made well in advance

Unfortunately, things would not change by focusing on what I would have said if Najam Sethi would have been in charge if COVID-19 would have spread during his tenure and if the Pakistani players would have all infected each other because of PCB’s incompetence.

So you can either choose to focus on that or focus on what is actually happening right now.

 

[aloo paratha]

Did PCB inject them with the virus? No. Players should've been smart enough to avoid going out as much as they could.

 

[Shams123]

No. They all our adults and understand completely what they should do to protect themselves. This is all on players!

 

[Markhor]

Yes, there was zero social distancing between the players based on the training pictures we saw recently. I don't know what was done to educate the players about SOPs and it appears zero disciplinary action was taken against players violating SOPs.

Even our white ball captain Babar Azam was showing disregard for social distancing.

To top it off, the training camp in Lahore had to be cancelled because there was insufficient accomodation. Our planning has been laughable compared to the ECB.

The players themselves are also responsible. I'm sorry but when you have uneducated boys who've come from small towns and villages - what understanding do they possess about transmission of viruses, asymptomatic carriers, social distancing etc ? Like many ordinary folks, their behaviour smacked of "if we get it, we get it" fatalism and complacency.

However the COVID crisis has been mismanaged from the very top. It pains me to admit Imran Khan has botched the situation - he never should've relaxed the lockdown prior to Eid. That created one massive Petri Dish for COVID by allowing people to mix freely. Now we're seeing the consequences when we ought to be past the peak.

 

[Nasty Naz]

I am sure PCB told them about the protocols but even then, players need to be responsible. I'd bet these players are still doing their everyday routine without social distancing and now we can see the results.

These are adults, not kids. They don't need to be told what to do, they should have intellectual ability to grasp what is going on around the world and what they should do for their own safety as well as safety for the loved ones around them.

 

[Rana]

Mamoon doing his political bias as usual

Shouldn’t be taken seriously

 

[Kroll]

Maybe it's a blessing in disguise. Our players were never going to treat this seriously and you could tell most thought it was just an exaggerated inconvenience.

Now that multiple players are infected, perhaps they and the PCB will learn form this shambles. But don't hold your breath on it.

 

[shamaan]

Did PCB inject them with the virus? No. Players should've been smart enough to avoid going out as much as they could.

Did they raise awareness on corno

 

[MenInG]

Players arent kids, nor are they prisoners. PCB gave them instructions - they didnt bother following them.

My only beef is that they should have been tested earlier - around 10th June and checked every 3-4 days.

 

[Rana]

Should Arsenal fc be held responsible of playing 3 covid positive players against Man City?

If you persecute one Organization, then persecute all. PCB have not played covid positive players! Also they are being extremely transparent by naming the players whereas I think that is unnecessary.

 

[shah_1]

Players arent kids, nor are they prisoners. PCB gave them instructions - they didnt bother following them.

My only beef is that they should have been tested earlier - around 10th June and checked every 3-4 days.

Failure of PCB for this

At least we would have known for how long they have been positive for.

 

[Bewal Express]

As I have stated before, the so called new found professionalism of PCB is nothing but a facade.

Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani can do all the “high performance” drama that they want, but the level of carelessness and casual attitude shown towards COVID-19 is unforgivable.

Ever since the pictures of our training camp emerged, it was inevitable that as soon as one player catches the virus, it was going to spread like wildfire.

There was no concept of social distancing, no players were pictured wearing masks and they were bumping into each other without care.

It is important to note that all of this was happening under the eye of PCB. What they do in their private time may not be in PCB’s control, but there is no excuse for the fact that they were not following SOPs while training together.

As things stand, Pakistan cricket team is the only international team at the moment with a bunch of players testing positive for COVID-19, and it is obvious that these players infected each other while training together.

Our two stalwarts who are going to turn things around for Pakistan cricket need to come forward and assume responsibility for the fact that they failed - and failed with flying colors - to impose necessary precautionary measures to protect its players.

It is also time call off the tour. PCB is not a board that deserves to play cricket during these times. We can be fairly certain that ECB will ensure that there will be no goof up on their part, but you cannot trust PCB.

Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan need to get their act together before someone dies because of their incompetence.

I dont blame the PCB nor any organisation. These are grown men, playing international Sport, they are not primary school kids. Do you want Misbah to hold watch over them, no off course not. People have to own their choices.

 

[Mamoon]

This is what happens when you employee shallow individuals who play to the galleries and aim to make themselves look good.

All will be forgotten when PCB pulls another drama of appointing a high performance director to director to director to director to director to international cricket.

Mani and Wasim must explain why SOPs were not enforced on the players when they attended the training camp and why the tests were conducted so late.

 

[Bewal Express]

Players arent kids, nor are they prisoners. PCB gave them instructions - they didnt bother following them.

My only beef is that they should have been tested earlier - around 10th June and checked every 3-4 days.

In a perverse way it may convince the nation as a whole that this serious problem.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is what happens when you employee shallow individuals who play to the galleries and aim to make themselves look good.

All will be forgotten when PCB pulls another drama of appointing a high performance director to director to director to director to director to international cricket.

Mani and Wasim must explain why SOPs were not enforced on the players when they attended the training camp and why the tests were conducted so late.

Or the players- who are adults can explain for themselves. The testing bit i agree. Should be tested on a very regular basis.

 

[Abdullah719]

This is what happens when you employee shallow individuals who play to the galleries and aim to make themselves look good.

All will be forgotten when PCB pulls another drama of appointing a high performance director to director to director to director to director to international cricket.

Mani and Wasim must explain why SOPs were not enforced on the players when they attended the training camp and why the tests were conducted so late.

There was no official training camp as far as I'm aware.

Some players did train together of their own accord, I think.

 

[Mamoon]

There was no official training camp as far as I'm aware.

Some players did train together of their own accord, I think.

That is no justification. The players were training together, the pictures were uploaded on social media and PCB was obviously aware of the fact that they were training together without observing SOPs.

It is clear that either no instructions were given to the players or the players did not listen to PCB. Whatever the case, the PCB has to cop the blame because the players blatantly violated SOPs on their watch.

This attitude that “it is not our fault if players don’t listen” is the same attitude the government has observed with respect to the public, and we are seeing the results.

 

[CleverSir]

This isn't the fault of the PCB or the individuals. This is a virus. Anyone can get it. Slight blame maybe on the players for being out and about knowing they would be going on tour but no-one can tell when/if they will get this virus. This isn't some small pocket of area with a virus spreading. It is a global pandemic. It is incumbent on all individuals to take care to the best extent possible. PCB can't show up to players houses to ensure strict quarantines. It is laughable to suggest that the PCB or anyone for that matter should be held responsible for positive tests. The concern should be for the positive tested players/staff to get healthy quickly and hope that they don't take a turn for the worse.

Not everything is the PCB or any organization's fault. I understand OP has constant issues with PCB about everything but this is beyond reprehensible to blame on them. Instead of concern over players health the blame game has started for no reason but to score some points on an internet board. Get a grip with reality. The PCB didn't start this virus and isn't responsible for it's spread. The world is dealing with it the best it can given the circumstances.

 

[Mamoon]

With Wasim Khan throwing the players under the bus, it appears that PCB has adopted the same strategy as the government.

The idea is that if you warn the people/players and they don’t listen, it is not your problem.

The government/PCB is like a father whose son flunks his exams. His defense is that I encouraged my son to study and warned him of the consequences of wasting time, but he didn’t listen to me so it is not my fault or problem if he flunked his exams.

No, it is your fault and you have failed as a father. Throwing your son under the bus will not change that fact.

 

[Bigboii]

With Wasim Khan throwing the players under the bus, it appears that PCB has adopted the same strategy as the government.

It's a bad habit of his whenever the pressure is own he always blame the players

I have noticed this pattern multiple times tbh
I mean with that paycheck atleast take responsibility for your actions or lack thier of

 

[last_knight]

As I have stated before, the so called new found professionalism of PCB is nothing but a facade.

Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani can do all the “high performance” drama that they want, but the level of carelessness and casual attitude shown towards COVID-19 is unforgivable.

Ever since the pictures of our training camp emerged, it was inevitable that as soon as one player catches the virus, it was going to spread like wildfire.

There was no concept of social distancing, no players were pictured wearing masks and they were bumping into each other without care.

It is important to note that all of this was happening under the eye of PCB. What they do in their private time may not be in PCB’s control, but there is no excuse for the fact that they were not following SOPs while training together.

As things stand, Pakistan cricket team is the only international team at the moment with a bunch of players testing positive for COVID-19, and it is obvious that these players infected each other while training together.

Our two stalwarts who are going to turn things around for Pakistan cricket need to come forward and assume responsibility for the fact that they failed - and failed with flying colors - to impose necessary precautionary measures to protect its players.

It is also time call off the tour. PCB is not a board that deserves to play cricket during these times. We can be fairly certain that ECB will ensure that there will be no goof up on their part, but you cannot trust PCB.

Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan need to get their act together before someone dies because of their incompetence.

This is a Pandemic of unprecedented magnitude.

In every country there are Players and Celebrities infected with Covid. No point in singling out PCB/Pakistan in this conext when this is the case pretty much across the globe.

 

[King_Kohli]

Relax guys..
Wish them speedy recovery.

 

[Extra_Cover]

The answer to this thread is no. PCB is not responsible for the virus in players.

The job PCB has is to educate the players and then conduct tests periodically which it did.

Similar to doping, an organisation can inform its athletes on medicines to take and educate them on performance enhancement drugs. But if the players gets the drug personally and it contained PEDs then the player is solely responsible for it. Similar to Covid, players are to blame for testing positive and not PCB.

 

[Bewal Express]

With Wasim Khan throwing the players under the bus, it appears that PCB has adopted the same strategy as the government.

The idea is that if you warn the people/players and they don’t listen, it is not your problem.

The government/PCB is like a father whose son flunks his exams. His defense is that I encouraged my son to study and warned him of the consequences of wasting time, but he didn’t listen to me so it is not my fault or problem if he flunked his exams.

No, it is your fault and you have failed as a father. Throwing your son under the bus will not change that fact.

That has to be the worst analogy ever. Why is the father responsible for kids failing, when my lad messed up, it was his failure, I did my bit and when he did well, I didn't pat my self on the back, it was his hard work and he deserved it. It seems that you don't ever take responsibility for anything.

 

[Mamoon]

That has to be the worst analogy ever. Why is the father responsible for kids failing, when my lad messed up, it was his failure, I did my bit and when he did well, I didn't pat my self on the back, it was his hard work and he deserved it. It seems that you don't ever take responsibility for anything.

When your lad messed up, it wasn’t 100% your fault but it wasn’t 100% his fault either. You failed as a father and he failed as a son.

A good father does not throw his children under the bus when they fail. He looks at himself in the mirror and ponders where and how he went wrong when it comes to the upbringing of his children.

Similarly, if your lad is successful in life (InshAllah) you should not pat yourself on the back but you should be proud of yourself that you excelled in the upbringing of your son.

Now let’s get back to PCB. There are two possibilities: PCB either did not give clear instructions to the players who made a mockery of SOPs, or they gave instructions which were not followed.

This means that either PCB were incompetent or they were not strong enough to enforce the SOPs. Either way, the PCB has to cop the blame.

 

[Saj]

It's a difficult one without knowing what the players have been up to and what guidance PCB has given them and whether they have followed the guidance.

But it sounds and looks as though some players haven't been too smart during this virus.

 

[The Viper]

Wasim Khan spoke to the press and he highlighted how the PCB laid guidelines but the players were culpable - they did everything they could to guide them, yet they never listened.

"We cannot sit with players at their homes everyday" [in reply to question about Fakhar saying he practiced a lot and didnt care about covid-19]

"All we can do is provide them guidelines and speak to them on a daily basis"

"Athletes think they are immune to covid-19 and nothing will happen to them so this is the kind of education that we are constantly trying to get to our players is that you must remember that whoever you are, you are prone to getting Covid-19"

"After these 10 positive cases, all players will realize the seriousness of the situation; Sometimes it takes things like these for people to realize how serious something is"

 

[ahmedzee]

100% the fault lies with the players here i feel. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is obviously very anti Wasim Khan so I expect him to write anti Wasim Khan things.

Let me explain:
1) PCB clearly informed all the players about the testing and about the benefits of social distancing. Yet, the likes of Wahab, Hafeez, Shadab and co where alwyas out and abouts as per their social media, interacting with other people in restaurants clubs etc.

2) PCB gave guidelines to players. It is 100% upto players to follow it when they're home. If they don't, how can you even blame the board for it?

3) Some other players and coaches like Younis, Misbah, Sarafaraz, Babar followed it and now they're well on their way to England.

4) Some of these cases could also be false positive.

So it is unfair to directly blame the board for it. Fault 100% lies on the players.

 

[ahmedzee]

When your lad messed up, it wasn’t 100% your fault but it wasn’t 100% his fault either. You failed as a father and he failed as a son.

A good father does not throw his children under the bus when they fail. He looks at himself in the mirror and ponders where and how he went wrong when it comes to the upbringing of his children.

Similarly, if your lad is successful in life (InshAllah) you should not pat yourself on the back but you should be proud of yourself that you excelled in the upbringing of your son.

Now let’s get back to PCB. There are two possibilities: PCB either did not give clear instructions to the players who made a mockery of SOPs, or they gave instructions which were not followed.

This means that either PCB were incompetent or they were not strong enough to enforce the SOPs. Either way, the PCB has to cop the blame.

Differnet analogy between lad and parents, and PCB and players. Wasim Khan is not sitting with every single player keeping an eye on them. Guidelines were laid, some followed, some didn't. I have all these players social media stories to prove what they were upto almost everyday. I remember seeing Wahab hugging friends and all while out for dinner. Likes of Hafeez and Shadab are no different either. You can't enforce the guidelines on each and every player. They're there for players to follow.

i Really don't blame PCB for this. They did everything they could.

 

[MMHS]

No, PCB shouldn’t be held accountable at all. Or may be just for delaying the testing by two weeks.

Playing cricket is highly paid profession for these people and they are adult enough to know how to behave. There are millions of doctors & nurses working 100+ hours/week at CV treatment centres surrounded by severe patients & most of them are still in good health. I’m sure PCB has conducted enough briefing sessions on guidelines, knowledge sharing and precautionary measures; but players also have their own responsibility. There can be exceptions, but I’ll blame mostly on players here - following instructions is not a Pakistani strength. And that’s true for Bangladeshis as well, I am sorry to say - both countries ruled by either corrupt politicians or cruel military and influenced by semiliterate religious fundamentalists, which has taken it’s toll - you need baton & tear gas even in Eid Jamat .......

May be off the track, but I saw an alarming stats - in UK & in NY, percentage of CV victims is disproportionate for South Asians, particularly Bangladeshis & Pakistanis. Some enthusiastic people coloured it with racism, but after spending some times in all five continents and having so far 58 countries visa on my passport & mixing with people from at least 100 countries/communities - I actually know the reason.

Summer has started and Ontario Govt has withdrawn lock down - some restrictions are still there and mass gathering is prohibited (office/schools are still mostly from home), but we are enjoying beach, barbecue, shopping, even social gatherings .... still the number of new patient is going down drastically. Why - I found the answer from my 6 years old daughter ..... last week, went to Walmart together first time in 3 months, that too at 9 pm .... from leaving the door to coming back three hours later, that baby had reminded me at least 200 times - Baba, don’t touch anything, Baba how far is two metres, Baba you are getting too close, you have to maintain two meters gap, Baba you can’t take off your mask even when driving - there can be Virus flying in air, ..... finally, Baba let’s go back home, I need to pee and I don’t want to go to Walmart washroom ...... that’s because the kid is born in Canada, groomed & educated in Canada and the first lesson she got in school as four years old baby - you have to follow instructions & rules.

Her dad grew up in a different place (not actually, but his roots are from there) where it’s taught that the smarter you are, the better you can by pass the law. .... “keya farak parta, larke lenge....” won’t work with CV-19 - the earlier our deshi people realise, the better.

 

[Giannis]

No, PCB shouldn’t be held accountable at all. Or may be just for delaying the testing by two weeks.

Playing cricket is highly paid profession for these people and they are adult enough to know how to behave. There are millions of doctors & nurses working 100+ hours/week at CV treatment centres surrounded by severe patients & most of them are still in good health. I’m sure PCB has conducted enough briefing sessions on guidelines, knowledge sharing and precautionary measures; but players also have their own responsibility. There can be exceptions, but I’ll blame mostly on players here - following instructions is not a Pakistani strength. And that’s true for Bangladeshis as well, I am sorry to say - both countries ruled by either corrupt politicians or cruel military and influenced by semiliterate religious fundamentalists, which has taken it’s toll - you need baton & tear gas even in Eid Jamat .......

May be off the track, but I saw an alarming stats - in UK & in NY, percentage of CV victims is disproportionate for South Asians, particularly Bangladeshis & Pakistanis. Some enthusiastic people coloured it with racism, but after spending some times in all five continents and having so far 58 countries visa on my passport & mixing with people from at least 100 countries/communities - I actually know the reason.

Summer has started and Ontario Govt has withdrawn lock down - some restrictions are still there and mass gathering is prohibited (office/schools are still mostly from home), but we are enjoying beach, barbecue, shopping, even social gatherings .... still the number of new patient is going down drastically. Why - I found the answer from my 6 years old daughter ..... last week, went to Walmart together first time in 3 months, that too at 9 pm .... from leaving the door to coming back three hours later, that baby had reminded me at least 200 times - Baba, don’t touch anything, Baba how far is two metres, Baba you are getting too close, you have to maintain two meters gap, Baba you can’t take off your mask even when driving - there can be Virus flying in air, ..... finally, Baba let’s go back home, I need to pee and I don’t want to go to Walmart washroom ...... that’s because the kid is born in Canada, groomed & educated in Canada and the first lesson she got in school as four years old baby - you have to follow instructions & rules.

Her dad grew up in a different place (not actually, but his roots are from there) where it’s taught that the smarter you are, the better you can by pass the law. .... “keya farak parta, larke lenge....” won’t work with CV-19 - the earlier our deshi people realise, the better.

No, that's not the reason. Truth is no matter how hard you try not to get coronavirus, most people will eventually get it. People still don't understand how virus spread : . Try all you want, everyone will eventually catch this.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Speaking from a safety stand point it's everyone's responsibility to keep themselves and others safe from their actions, so this doesn't just fall on PCB. If the players had listened to the safety briefing and signed off on the SOPs that means they understood the T & C's, but still chose to neglect what they were told so that falls back on the players and not the board. However, if the players did follow the SOPs (which i doubt) then it falls on PCB.

May Allah give all those that are affected Shifah and a quick recovery.

 

[MMHS]

No, that's not the reason. Truth is no matter how hard you try not to get coronavirus, most people will eventually get it. People still don't understand how virus spread : . Try all you want, everyone will eventually catch this.

General people don’t, but these are elite professionals, given enough education and knowledge on the topic.

 

[Bewal Express]

When your lad messed up, it wasn’t 100% your fault but it wasn’t 100% his fault either. You failed as a father and he failed as a son.

A good father does not throw his children under the bus when they fail. He looks at himself in the mirror and ponders where and how he went wrong when it comes to the upbringing of his children.

Similarly, if your lad is successful in life (InshAllah) you should not pat yourself on the back but you should be proud of yourself that you excelled in the upbringing of your son.

Now let’s get back to PCB. There are two possibilities: PCB either did not give clear instructions to the players who made a mockery of SOPs, or they gave instructions which were not followed.

This means that either PCB were incompetent or they were not strong enough to enforce the SOPs. Either way, the PCB has to cop the blame.

I think you have a very controlling mindset. The players are grown men, not kids in primary school. They were given the information and chose to ignore it( according to some reports) The PCB and society in general, has to educate people but ultimately people have to make choices. If you make the wrong choices, there are consequences.

 

[Bewal Express]

No, that's not the reason. Truth is no matter how hard you try not to get coronavirus, most people will eventually get it. People still don't understand how virus spread : . Try all you want, everyone will eventually catch this.

They may get it through no fault of their own but that doesn't mean we don't do everything in power to avoid. The desi mindset too often is that its fake etc until it hits us.

 

[Giannis]

General people don’t, but these are elite professionals, given enough education and knowledge on the topic.

It doesn't matter, can't blame the athletes for eventually catching an airborne virus that has been spreading like fire. It has nothing to do with "knowlege" or "education"

 

[Giannis]

They may get it through no fault of their own but that doesn't mean we don't do everything in power to avoid. The desi mindset too often is that its fake etc until it hits us.

I can assure you that here in America most people have the same mindset, heck it's not too different in Europe. Desi uncles love making everything deep and try to make a point out of everything, the fact is it could happen to anyone. Novak Djokovic and 2 other tennis players just got the coronavirus, it's not a south asian vs non south asian person thing. We can speak about a viral pandemic without making generalizations, uncle toms just need an oppurtunity.

 

[Indiafan]

It doesn't matter, can't blame the athletes for eventually catching an airborne virus that has been spreading like fire. It has nothing to do with "knowlege" or "education"

It is NOT an airborne virus. Peope should stop spreading lies

And I take it with this thing ming you are not taking any precautions, having parties and mingling in crowds with no masks?

And the saddest thing is that the vaccine is just months away

 

[Junaids]

Of course the PCB should take responsibility.

The examples of Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and Taiwan show that if you eliminate risks you will not catch this virus. The major component of that should be closed borders but after that it entirely comes down to maintaining social distancing and refraining from 10 standard dangerous activities, as follows:

THE TEN NO-NO ACTIVITIES DURING THE PANDEMIC
1. Having domestic servants.
2. Seeing family members they don’t live with.
3. Seeing friends.
4. Attending places of worship.
5. Having massages or seeing sex workers.
6. Going to the shops.
7. Playing sport or attending a gym.
8. Having a haircut by someone not living in the household.
9. Going to a restaurant.
10. Allowing a child in the household to attend school.

Anyone in an affected area who does any of those ten things is a fool who is reckless and who is endangering the safety of vulnerable people in the community.

I simply do not believe that:

1. Most Pakistan cricketers are literate enough or intelligent enough to have worked out that this activities must be avoided at all costs.

2. The PCB ever actively directed its players not to do these 10 reckless and dangerous activities.

It's the PCB that wants to go on a tour in 4 days' time. It's their responsibility to have prepared the players.

 

[Indiafan]

I can assure you that here in America most people have the same mindset, heck it's not too different in Europe. Desi uncles love making everything deep and try to make a point out of everything, the fact is it could happen to anyone. Novak Djokovic and 2 other tennis players just got the coronavirus, it's not a south asian vs non south asian person thing. We can speak about a viral pandemic without making generalizations, uncle toms just need an oppurtunity.

The tennis players got the virus because they were stupid enough to organize a huge tournament and mingle without masks or social distancing. It was their on stupidity and the entire world is laughing at them. Novak has also said many stupid things about healthcare and viruses

So these are not good examples but examples of people being stupid

 

[Junaids]

No, that's not the reason. Truth is no matter how hard you try not to get coronavirus, most people will eventually get it. People still don't understand how virus spread : . Try all you want, everyone will eventually catch this.

Not true.

This virus responds to all the same control measures that our grandparents used for Spanish flu and similar conditions long before vaccination and anti-virals were available.

Isolation.
Closed borders.
Distancing.
Contact tracing.

Countries like the USA, UK and Pakistan have tried to cut corners and carry on as normal without following those time-honoured approaches. And the result has been catastrophic infection levels interfering with the economy.

Other countries like Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan have followed the time-honoured techniques and they work - hardly anyone has caught the virus, let alone died of it. Their economies are 90%+ intact.

Countries of all economic levels can contain this virus by using those time-honoured techniques: middle income countries like Uruguay and even poor countries like Vietnam or Fiji.

And when they do so, they maintain their economies MORE intact.

My parents in England are 79 and have not left the house or seen anyone - even their own daughter and grandchildren - since early March. They remain fit and well, although it's been hard work getting used to doing all the cleaning again.

The PCB should have done exactly the same thing with the players in early March: banned them from leaving the house, required a register of who lives there, banned visitors- even family members, banned domestic servants, banned Mosque visits, banned children going to school etc etc.

And any player violating any of those conditions should have had his central contract terminated.

 

[Junaids]

I can assure you that here in America most people have the same mindset, heck it's not too different in Europe. .

On the contrary, the whole world is laughing at America and the UK for their pathetic and inept response to this virus. Nobody respects their responses to this.

Here in Australia we - including me - LOVE both countries. And we can't make our minds up whether we are sad to see all the unnecessary infections and deaths that our dear friends over there are suffering or whether we are angry at how badly they have been led.

It horrifies me that some people here are starting to hold up the UK and the ECB as role models. But they are clowns too - just not as bad as the Pakistan Cricket Board and government.

 

[MMHS]

It doesn't matter, can't blame the athletes for eventually catching an airborne virus that has been spreading like fire. It has nothing to do with "knowlege" or "education"

I understand you do lack “knowledge” and “education” in this regard. And, this actually explains perfectly why among western mega cities, NY & London are the two worst affected cities - these two cities are full of idiots who took CV as granted and it didn’t matter much, initially ...... stay safe & get informed, it helps.

 

[MMHS]

On the contrary, the whole world is laughing at America and the UK for their pathetic and inept response to this virus. Nobody respects their responses to this.

Here in Australia we - including me - LOVE both countries. And we can't make our minds up whether we are sad to see all the unnecessary infections and deaths that our dear friends over there are suffering or whether we are angry at how badly they have been led.

It horrifies me that some people here are starting to hold up the UK and the ECB as role models. But they are clowns too - just not as bad as the Pakistan Cricket Board and government.

It’s not America as a whole. Yes, Yanks are by nature stubborn and extremely proud of their personal freedoms, but still if you notice, the most affected areas are Greater NY, Greater Chicago, Florida key, Greater Detroit, Greater Philadelphia. While it’s relatively better in Texas triangle, greater Seattle, San Francisco Bay Area, and Southern California. And, despite being close to NY greater Boston is much better as well.

If you know the demographics of US population distribution, you probably can relate something.

 

[Junaids]

It’s not America as a whole. Yes, Yanks are by nature stubborn and extremely proud of their personal freedoms, but still if you notice, the most affected areas are Greater NY, Greater Chicago, Florida key, Greater Detroit, Greater Philadelphia. While it’s relatively better in Texas triangle, greater Seattle, San Francisco Bay Area, and Southern California. And, despite being close to NY greater Boston is much better as well.

If you know the demographics of US population distribution, you probably can relate something.

I respectfully disagree.

The first wave as you listed was the most densely inhabited cities, for obvious reasons. Democrat territory. But not because of lifestyle choices, because of dense populations.

Now it is spreading in much less densely inhabited places (Texas, Florida, the Midwest) because Republicans there don’t believe the science and aren’t taking precautions. The other type of dense population.

 

[MMHS]

I respectfully disagree.

The first wave as you listed was the most densely inhabited cities, for obvious reasons. Democrat territory. But not because of lifestyle choices, because of dense populations.

Now it is spreading in much less densely inhabited places (Texas, Florida, the Midwest) because Republicans there don’t believe the science and aren’t taking precautions. The other type of dense population.

My point wasn’t based on politics- it was based on density and the percentage of Asian, Hispanic people.

 

[Mamoon]

Time to throw Hafeez under the bus now. PCB is a gift that keeps on giving.

 

[MenInG]

Time to throw Hafeez under the bus now. PCB is a gift that keeps on giving.

Hafeez has thrown himself open to ridicule now.

He should have contacted PCB and asked for an explanation, instead he is trying to embarrass PCB and somehow get on the plane to England with his test.

 

[sweep_shot]

If players don't follow social distancing, not much PCB can do.

Players are adults and they should know better.

 

[shamaan]

If players don't follow social distancing, not much PCB can do.

Players are adults and they should know better.

702 players have tested negative whilst pakistan only tested around 30 which 10 per positive surely it's something the boards are doing and not doing

 

[shamaan]

Hafeez has thrown himself open to ridicule now.

He should have contacted PCB and asked for an explanation, instead he is trying to embarrass PCB and somehow get on the plane to England with his test.

Agreed hes made a fool out of pcb he should be fined and should not go on the tour at all now ecb must be thinking wth can we trust pcb

 

[shamaan]

Time to throw Hafeez under the bus now. PCB is a gift that keeps on giving.

I agreed this has messed pcb up big time talk about credibility

 

[Hasan123]

PCB should take responsibility. Look at how the ECB have handled England players return to training. Our players should also take some responsibility. They must be aware of what is happening in the world and how many cases there are in Pakistan. Both parties should take responsibility.

 

[MenInG]

So Hafeez gets a positive result - doesnt bother self isolating and goes about his life as normal and that is PCB's fault too?

Fact is that PCB is not their owner and they arent slaves. But PCB should hold these people responsible and I am hoping they will.

Hafeez may not have a central contract but he wants to play the World Cup etc so he needs to respect the PCB's chain of command.

 

[Junaids]

So Hafeez gets a positive result - doesnt bother self isolating and goes about his life as normal and that is PCB's fault too?

Fact is that PCB is not their owner and they arent slaves. But PCB should hold these people responsible and I am hoping they will.

Hafeez may not have a central contract but he wants to play the World Cup etc so he needs to respect the PCB's chain of command.

It’s genuinely evil behaviour.

He had tested positive, but his failure to isolate placed at risk his family, driver, servants and anyone else unfortunate enough to encounter them.

Even if his virus has now cleared, his wife and kids and servants and driver could test positive at any time.

This is how pandemics spread. And just like an HIV positive man who recklessly infects his partner, Hafeez should be in jail for this. And banned for life from cricket - his actions were dangerous compared with Kaneria or Saleem Malik.

Life ban!