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Should Rumman Raees debut against Sri Lanka?

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Pakistan has been play with 2 spinners, at the CT.

We have seen how Jadeja(spinner) and even Pandya(all rounder) were destroyed by the SRL


So Pakistan cannot afford to play 2 spinners.

Can they debut Fahim? No. His bowling is much weaker than Pandya.

Best bet is to play 4 genuine seamers. Hafeez can be the second spinner if needed.

It is Pakistan's bowling versus Sri Lanka's batting.

This should be the attack of Pakistan.

Imad
Amir
Hassan
Ruman
Junaid

Hafeez as the 6th bowler.

Hope we beat SA, and Pak beat SRL.

Wish we can meet Pakistan in the finals. Atlast they are the ones whom we can easily defeat.
 
Rayyman said:
That's a weak tail
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You can never win with your tuk tuk batting.

Your top 4 would play almost 37 overs with their tuk tuk.

Your no.8 won't even get to bat. Even if he gets he'll get when the match is already lost.

Better attack with ur pacers
 
Shaik said:
You can never win with your tuk tuk batting.

Your top 4 would play almost 37 overs with their tuk tuk.

Your no.8 won't even get to bat. Even if he gets he'll get when the match is already lost.

Better attack with ur pacers
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The thing is Rumman isn't even an attacking pacer. He thrives when batsmen are going after him and he can deceive them with his variations. Shadab is a much better option and several times more attacking.
 
Too many pacers, too many dead bats. This is 2017 where you play as many batsmen as possible.
 
I like Rumman,he is quite clever but there is no place for him right now in this team.
 
hmm its interesting thought, I think they should definitely look at. Rumman Raees has that surprise package as the Lankan's don't know about him.
 
ar2020 said:
Too many pacers, too many dead bats. This is 2017 where you play as many batsmen as possible.
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True . But read my above mentioned post.

Your top order would never allow your no.8 to bat, with their tuk tuk. If so, then match would have been already lost with their dots
 
You cannot take out Shadab, he is the only attacking spinner we have. All signs are there that he can be as good(even better) than Imran Tahir in LOIs, as wickets are no more fresh, spin and reverse swing will come more into the play. Shadab maybe a trump card. Having three left arm seamers may be one too many anyway, considering Immad is also left arm, 4 left arm bowlers is too much, attack become very one dimensional!!

Real question is should Azhar be dropped and Harris played instead, no need to tinker with bowling...
 
Syed1 said:
The thing is Rumman isn't even an attacking pacer. He thrives when batsmen are going after him and he can deceive them with his variations. Shadab is a much better option and several times more attacking.
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I didn't say he's an attacking option. I said attack with pacers.

Ruman would be the surprise package for the Lankans, especially is they go against him.

Again, I am not telling he will be successful. It's just that it can be, as your skip said "OUT OF THE BOX"
 
Just because Jadeja got smashed we shouldn't play Shadab? You do know that even a mediocre ODI spinner like Yasir has his best figures against Sri Lanka so playing a leg spinner is a must imo. Cardiff wont be as flat as the Oval either.

I wouldn't mind Raees coming in for Junaid. It's only a matter of time till Junaid's bowling costs us a game.
 
Shaik said:
Pakistan has been play with 2 spinners, at the CT.

We have seen how Jadeja(spinner) and even Pandya(all rounder) were destroyed by the SRL


So Pakistan cannot afford to play 2 spinners.

Can they debut Fahim? No. His bowling is much weaker than Pandya.

Best bet is to play 4 genuine seamers. Hafeez can be the second spinner if needed.

It is Pakistan's bowling versus Sri Lanka's batting.

This should be the attack of Pakistan.

Imad
Amir
Hassan
Ruman
Junaid

Hafeez as the 6th bowler.

Hope we beat SA, and Pak beat SRL.

Wish we can meet Pakistan in the finals. Atlast they are the ones whom we can easily defeat.
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If we drop a spinner, we should play an extra Batsman. Batting is weak and very fragile.
 
For those wanting Shadab to be included in the team, answer this question; How many over did he bowl against South Africa and what was his overall impact on the game that we won?
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
For those wanting Shadab to be included in the team, answer this question; How many over did he bowl against South Africa and what was his overall impact on the game that we won?
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He did not bowl alot of overs, cuz Sarfraz went with Hafeez for that game, Shadab didnt play so bad, and he needs to keep playing, to keep on improving. The talent is their, just needs to keep playing.
 
30% chance he play
if he play insted shadab our bowling will be strong .but batting become weaker.
shadab is a good bowler never mind who team is playing sl or afr.
 
Ultimate said:
Yes, in place of Amir.
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Lol. If he doesn't take wickets that does t mean he is a bad bowler or rumman is a better bowler than Amir. Even southee had a long wicketless days but they didn't drop him. There is only one swing bowler in pak, who keeps batsmen in PP quiet and ask questions on their technique. Drop him and SL will smash 100 in first 10 overs.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
For those wanting Shadab to be included in the team, answer this question; How many over did he bowl against South Africa and what was his overall impact on the game that we won?
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Hafeez won't be bowling 10 overs straight against better spin side. Shadab has to play. He is the best spinner in the team.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Lol. If he doesn't take wickets that does t mean he is a bad bowler or rumman is a better bowler than Amir. Even southee had a long wicketless days but they didn't drop him. There is only one swing bowler in pak, who keeps batsmen in PP quiet and ask questions on their technique. Drop him and SL will smash 100 in first 10 overs.
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yes u r right, we have not good bowler with new bowl
 
From the matches so far in Cardiff we see that it is not a flat wicket and batting first is the better option as later on the pitch has assistance to bowlers. I would still play the same bowling line up and attack with shadab in middle overs also his fielding and batting has an edge over others waiting for their debut.
 
s.h.a.k said:
Would play him ahead of Junaid. Junaid is useless.
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Both junaid and Amir bowl well in tandem in the pp. see in the pp batsmen will and has to score runs and obviously they will attack. Pace bowling is all about rhythm. So far junaid has done well since his return in the Aus series with one or two bad games. Not every team has Azhar ali or shehzad. In this flat pitches and modern game of cricket if the pp score is restricted below 65 with a wicket or 2 or no wickets then it's job well done by the opening bowlers. Why I say this is because if a team opens the bowling with bowlers like wahab or Tino best or some other rubbish ODI bowler then it is heaven for the batsmen in these flat wickets.

To me junaid is doing a better job at the moment and need to persisted with. If they drop and pick rumman then it can go either way, high risk on a must win game.
 
Ruman and Hasan will be a handful i can see them sharing the wickets
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
For those wanting Shadab to be included in the team, answer this question; How many over did he bowl against South Africa and what was his overall impact on the game that we won?
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That was because SA had more LHB and hafeez is good against them, so he was searching for a wicket with Hafeez and continue to bowl him straight 10 overs but sti hafeez took only one and went for 5+ RPO at the end of his quota which is the highest for a spinner in that match.
 
Misia said:
Ruman and Hasan will be a handful i can see them sharing the wickets
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He can get away with 4 overs in t20 bowling slower balls, bouncers and yorkers. In ODIs a bowler should have more skills up his sleeve or else will be carted. Rumman also not an attacking bowler or a bowler who can maintain the right line and length. He can be added as as fourth seamer but his batting is too weak to keep him away. Having said that a bowler like Abbas whose batting is also weak can be added ahead of rumman. Because he will be more useful as a bowler upfront in overcast conditions in England
 
ask_analyse_act said:
That was because SA had more LHB and hafeez is good against them, so he was searching for a wicket with Hafeez and continue to bowl him straight 10 overs but sti hafeez took only one and went for 5+ RPO at the end of his quota which is the highest for a spinner in that match.
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And how many LHB batsmen does SL have? Should a leggie be playing against them?
 
Yes, this is a good idea. However, Shadab is a similar bowler to Tahir, who has destroyed the Sri Lankans recently, which makes this a tough call.
 
The team we played vs South Africa is perfect, just need to drop Hafeez and bring in Harris Sohail. Perhaps a case for including Fahim Ashraf too for his hitting ability but there's nobody to replace him with, especially after Imad and Shadab have done so well with the ball.
 
I really would think 'out of the box' and bring Fahim in for Azhar and Haris in for Hafeez.
 
No way. Rumman is an average bowler. Only change I would like to see is Azhar Ali for Haris Sohail.
 
I don't think they'll pick Rumman over Junaid, Hasan or Amir at the moment.

Only way he'll play is if they drop Shadab which I don't think they'll do.
 
Only if either of the pacers is unfit. Shouldn't come in in place of Shadab, as that would weaken our batting. You never know when a chase could get tense (if we end up chasing) and we might end up needing him. Also, the Lankan batsmen haven't faced him before so might work in our favour. At this point, I'd much rather include Faheem Ashraf as a 4th seamer for his power hitting ability over Rumman.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
And how many LHB batsmen does SL have? Should a leggie be playing against them?
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yes of course, why not... leggie is always an attacking option against any batsmen... left arm spinner against LHB are the one will leak runs and also left arm spinner can create problems for RHB with angle and spin....But IMAD WASIM is not a spinner as he never spins... if need to drop one spinner when playing against a subcontinent team then that would be Imad Wasim....
 
I will happily drop Junaid for anyone at this point, because I know that Junaid will single-handedly cost Pakistan a match at some stage, and it will be a tragedy if it happens in the Champions Trophy.
 
Pakistan dont typically change a winning squad

but I think having Raees in place of Shadab (or better yet Hafeez) makes a lot of sense.
 
to say that winning combination must not be changed is false, the winning combination will not keep winning, when the team will lose, the weak link in the winning combo will be exposed, so its better to change the combination to avoid any future defeat
 
Syed1 said:
The thing is Rumman isn't even an attacking pacer. He thrives when batsmen are going after him and he can deceive them with his variations. Shadab is a much better option and several times more attacking.
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Especially after tahirs success against SL
 
I know they have beaten this dead horse one too many times but seriously if you were going to play all these players in CT why were they not taken to WI?

Where were faheem ashraf, rumman, fakhar zaman, junaid,etc?

There is just no foresight. You knew Amir wahab and are a shoo in, so why wasn't t20 and ODI series used to test these players, and give them some international experience rather than all of sudden throwing them in the deep end in a do or die situation in such a big event in front of big crowds?

Seriously our teams performance is so appalling and is a reflection of our planning. I dhave my mean to reflect on the poor players, I am just so upset with our head honchos.

Rant over
 
Mamoon said:
I will happily drop Junaid for anyone at this point, because I know that Junaid will single-handedly cost Pakistan a match at some stage, and it will be a tragedy if it happens in the Champions Trophy.
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I've had the thought of this myself. Problem is first ten overs. Amir will just have to bowl 5 , imad 3 and hasan 2.
It will mean that shadab has to be near the top of his game and bowl a lot with hafeez in the middle
I like the option of hasan bowling with the older ball though.
It's a tight decision but I don't expect much from fahim with the ball.
I would take this gamble in the semifinal against England though because that game would be a free hit of sorts
 
Rumman is probably the best modern day LOI pace bowler in Pakistan. He has variations in slower balls , pin point yorkers, cutters, slower bouncers and he can crank a few deliveries up into 140s when needed.

Unfortunately its hard to fit him in the team after junaid's good performance against saffers. He will have to wait till someone fails which most probably will be junaid.
 
Seriously?

With all the lefties in SL team, you want to drop hafeez and play a leggie?
 
maybe junaid will get "sick" again haha, then we can unleash the pakistani ROMAN REIGNS! believe that!
 
No way. Amir Junaid Hassan is the pace trio we should go with.
The playing XI will remain unchanged anyway.
 
Shadab is a must considering how Srilanka recently struggled against Tahir. Imad is also gonna play as he will be new to Srilankans, rest of the fast bowlers have performed well so cant seen Rumman fitiing in atm.
 
Should get Fahim in over Shadab. We are playing an extra spinner and need some bite in our batting. The team management is too chicken to throw out Hafeez and get Haris in, so atleast make this change.
 
Junaid is a garbage bowler who will always go for lots of runs, needs to be replace by Raees who is one of the smartest bowlers Pakistan has along with Hasan Ali.
 
My XI

Sarfraz Ahmed
Faheem Ashraf
Babar Azam
Harris Sohail
Shoaib Malik
Imad Wasim
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammed Aamer
Hasan Ali
Rumman Raees
 
Shaik said:
A player cannot play twice, at any given cost
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why not???? who care????

My Best XI for 2018

1. Sarfraz Ahmed
2. Salman Butt [w]
3. Sharjeel Khan (c)
4. Shadab Khan
5. Shoaib Malik
6. Saeed Ajmal
7. Mohammed Aamer
8. Mohammed Asif
9. Mohammed Abbas
10. Mohammed Asghar
11. Mohammed Ahmed
 
CricFan2012 said:
Junaid is a garbage bowler who will always go for lots of runs, needs to be replace by Raees who is one of the smartest bowlers Pakistan has along with Hasan Ali.
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Junaid actually bowled well against S.A so don't see him getting dropped,just hope that they don't drop Shadab and bring in Fahim or Rumaan in place of him.
 
no changes to winning combination. Realistically, Sarfraz opening with Fakhar and adding Haris to the middle order instead of Azhar makes sense. 1 Fakhar 2 Sarf 3 Babar 4 Haris 5 Malik 6 Hafeez would be effective.
 
drop shadab and play haris sohail. he can bowl few overs in the middle.DL is coming in to play anyway so we wont be bowling 50 overs
 
KhalidRafi said:
Should get Fahim in over Shadab. We are playing an extra spinner and need some bite in our batting. The team management is too chicken to throw out Hafeez and get Haris in, so atleast make this change.
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Shadab is a wrist spinner which Srilanka struggle against.
 
CricFan2012 said:
Junaid is a garbage bowler who will always go for lots of runs, needs to be replace by Raees who is one of the smartest bowlers Pakistan has along with Hasan Ali.
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I would take a garbage averaging 28 and a wicket taker with new ball and can provide good death bowling option any day.

Though Raees is also a great talent but at the moment I will go for JK.
 
we need a left hand bat in middle so playing haris over shadab makes sense. Left and right hand combo of bangla did wonders for them in y'day and like i said haris can bowl few overs too
 
explayer said:
we need a left hand bat in middle so playing haris over shadab makes sense. Left and right hand combo of bangla did wonders for them in y'day and like i said haris can bowl few overs too
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If we want to play Harris its only going to happen at the cost of Azhar and Hafeez than opening the innings. Shadab should play and hopefully will play and he is going to pretty dangerous against Srilanka.
 
Mamoon said:
I will happily drop Junaid for anyone at this point, because I know that Junaid will single-handedly cost Pakistan a match at some stage, and it will be a tragedy if it happens in the Champions Trophy.
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That's true. But thus far, he's looked good. His figures were good in the last match and were almost excellent until he ruined it in the last spell. Nonetheless, I think playing too many inexperienced players (Shadab/Imad/Zaman/Raees) could dent Pakistan's chances of doing good because despite them being talented players, this is the first time they're playing in a major tournament.
 
Titan24 said:
I would take a garbage averaging 28 and a wicket taker with new ball and can provide good death bowling option any day.

Though Raees is also a great talent but at the moment I will go for JK.
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JK's performances have drastically dropped compared to what he used to do, its too expensive.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
yes of course, why not... leggie is always an attacking option against any batsmen... left arm spinner against LHB are the one will leak runs and also left arm spinner can create problems for RHB with angle and spin....But IMAD WASIM is not a spinner as he never spins... if need to drop one spinner when playing against a subcontinent team then that would be Imad Wasim....
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Good decision not to play Shadab today and instead bringing in Faheem.
 
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