Should Sharjeel Khan and Khalid Latif face a ban if they failed to report an approach?

[mz123]

Should both these players face a ban if the only mistake they made was the failure to report ? Don't you think a a ban would be too harsh here ?
Let's say both these players refused the offer made by the bookie but didn't report it to the authorities, would a heavy fine be a good punishment here ?

 

[Hamza_]

No they shouldn't. Heavy fine would be enough, After all they were not on an international commitment

 

[Asim2Good]

So we laready looking for way out for players?

 

[iiqbal]

Yes , As per law its crime.

 

[angrypathan]

If the rules say they should, then absolutely

 

[Jabo]

Should be banned for 2 years at least.

Especially if they were approached and kept quiet for more than a couple of days.

If that's the case I'd ban them for even longer because they were probably contemplating whether to do it or not, ban them for life i say.

 

[hitthestump]

On paper give them whatever, but it should be a lifetime ban in terms of they should never get a game with any side ever again. Time to stamp out this culture in Pakistan once and for all.

 

[Speedster777]

Najam Sethi should be investigated as well. No player is more corrupt than him.

 

[Syed1]

10 year ban at the very least.

 

[Sub-Zero]

ex cricketers said that it's a 2 year ban

 

[Madplayer]

Ban for 2 years if they didnt report. For life if they had agreed.

 

[mz123]

10 year ban at the very least.

Why 10 years if they only failed to report ?

 

[mhraja]

2 years ban for not reporting an approach.

 

[srh]

10 year ban at the very least.

10 years ban for not reporting an approach and 5 years ban on actually fixing in an international match? what type of justice is this?

 

[Syed1]

Why 10 years if they only failed to report ?

Who was stopping them from reporting?


Failed to report means they were going to act up on the fixing instructions and would have gone ahead with the fixing if and when the chance presented.



Conspiracy to murder and the act of committing murder have very similar sentences.

 

[Syed1]

10 years ban for not reporting an approach and 5 years ban on actually fixing in an international match? what type of justice is this?

The 5 year ban wasn't given by the PCB, it was given by ICC.

 

[srh]

The 5 year ban wasn't given by the PCB, it was given by ICC.

Correct. So why not PCB now apply their ruling on the trio's case and ban them for life? It will be fair that if PCB is giving 10 years ban for not reporting an approach then the actual fixers should get a lot more than 10 years.

 

[Hamza_]

Who was stopping them from reporting?


Failed to report means they were going to act up on the fixing instructions and would have gone ahead with the fixing if and when the chance presented.



Conspiracy to murder and the act of committing murder have very similar sentences.

Doesn't mean that they had intentions to fix. Would be interesting to hear why they failed to report an approach that night

 

[Syed1]

Correct. So why not PCB now apply their ruling on the trio's case and ban them for life? It will be fair that if PCB is giving 10 years ban for not reporting an approach then the actual fixers should get a lot more than 10 years.

I have told you time and again but your inability to understand is astonishing. It is like talking to a brick wall, not surprising since you support Nawaz Sharif which itself shows your lack of brain power.


No justice system in the world allows for double punishment of the same offense.

 

[Rayyman]

I have told you time and again but your inability to understand is astonishing. It is like talking to a brick wall, not surprising since you support Nawaz Sharif which itself shows your lack of brain power.


No justice system in the world allows for double punishment of the same offense.

Unless the system is corrupt.

 

[kingusama92]

Not sure what the regulations are but it should be maximum punishment in both cases.

If that means two years for not reporting then that's what they should get.

If they agreed to fix, life ban. Simple as that.

 

[Buffet]

They should get punishment allowed by rules and then PCB should extend their full support to fast track them to play cricket again. Opener like Sharjeel is needed by Pakistan , just like Amir was indispensable for Pakistan.

 

[srh]

I have told you time and again but your inability to understand is astonishing. It is like talking to a brick wall, not surprising since you support Nawaz Sharif which itself shows your lack of brain power.


No justice system in the world allows for double punishment of the same offense.

the punishment for fixing for the trio was from ICC only. PCB has yet to punish the trio for the fixing. Now PCB should ban the trio for life. Simples.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Ban em for life

 

[sshakir411]

depends on what they've done. The independent disciplinary committee and the judge should be able to take the best decision.

 

[Buffet]

the punishment for fixing for the trio was from ICC only. PCB has yet to punish the trio for the fixing. Now PCB should ban the trio for life. Simples.

PCB backed fixers from the get go and fought tooth and nail to have early come back. If not for ICC , PCB would have played fixers in the next test match. Why will PCB put a life ban now?

 

[Madplayer]

the punishment for fixing for the trio was from ICC only. PCB has yet to punish the trio for the fixing. Now PCB should ban the trio for life. Simples.

They are punishing asif and butt by not selecting them for national team.

 

[The_Real_Deal]

Quick Question : Did the fix actually go ahead or was it in conspiring stage?

Reports are some saying they did actually go ahead with the fix, some are saying they didn't report it and was conspiring to do so?

 

[Monsee]

So we laready looking for way out for players?

Brendon McCullum never faced any penalties, even though he only disclosed them years after in the case against Chris Cairns. Nada, not a single penny or any ban either!

If all they had was an approach then heavy fine is the best PCB can/should do

 

[srh]

PCB backed fixers from the get go and fought tooth and nail to have early come back. If not for ICC , PCB would have played fixers in the next test match. Why will PCB put a life ban now?

PCB has always been corrupt. Now they are trying to show themselves off as very honest. If they are so honest then give life ban to trio NOW. The trio's case is crystal clear without any doubt and is the highest level of fixing as they did fixing in an international match on an away tour. Nobody bring more shame to Pakistan cricket than the trio.

They are punishing asif and butt by not selecting them for national team.

not really. They bet that Asif and Butt are spent forces due to their age and thus did not backed them. But when Butt start performing in domestic matches then suddenly there was talk to bring him into the national team as well. PCB is dishonest and incompetent.

 

[Abdullah719]

you cannot argue anymore since you know I am right.

PCB has always been corrupt. Now they are trying to show themselves off as very honest. If they are so honest then give life ban to trio NOW. The trio's case is crystal clear without any doubt and is the highest level of fixing as they did fixing in an international match on an away tour. Nobody bring more shame to Pakistan cricket than the trio.

not really. They bet that Asif and Butt are spent forces due to their age and thus did not backed them. But when Butt start performing in domestic matches then suddenly there was talk to bring him into the national team as well. PCB is dishonest and incompetent.

Can you let the Amir/Asif/Butt case go? It's finished, over, khatam.

You can't just suddenly wake up one day (as you're suggesting PCB should do) and decide that after the players have served their bans and have returned, and in Amir's case, have been playing international cricket now for over a year, they should be given life bans.

This is not how the world works and you're being completely unrealistic.

Best to stick to the topic, which is Sharjeel Khan and Khalid Latif.

 

[kingusama92]

Brendon McCullum never faced any penalties, even though he only disclosed them years after in the case against Chris Cairns. Nada, not a single penny or any ban either!

If all they had was an approach then heavy fine is the best PCB can/should do

McCullum was a witness in their trial against Cairns.

He got a deal in essence.

Sure if Sharjeel and Latif help catch a bigger fish they can get a deal too I suppose.

 

[Monsee]

McCullum was a witness in their trial against Cairns.

He got a deal in essence.

Sure if Sharjeel and Latif help catch a bigger fish they can get a deal too I suppose.

He only spilled out the beans when was sure he could not be penalized...still, ICC could have made an example and reprimended him or something just to show that no one is above the law!

I hope Sharjeel and Lateef co-operate and then get some fines and enough lessons for rest of their careers not to take anything lightly. As for the comment about big fish, there is no such as a big fish in fixing circles though, one gets caught, 20 are ready to take his place!

 

[hadi123]

Can someone clear it up, did they fix or not?

 

[Hamza_]

Can someone clear it up, did they fix or not?

No as per reports, They didn't.

 

[srh]

Can someone clear it up, did they fix or not?

Sharjeel might have fixed since he played the 1st game.
Khalid definitely did not fix since he did not play the 1st game.

 

[Madplayer]

not really. They bet that Asif and Butt are spent forces due to their age and thus did not backed them. But when Butt start performing in domestic matches then suddenly there was talk to bring him into the national team as well. PCB is dishonest and incompetent.

Talking and selecting is different. None of us can deny that salman's performances have been good since his comeback. He wont ever get selected though and thats the example we should look at rather than Amir's. For one amir there are two butt and asif who will never play for Pakistan again..

 

[Madplayer]

Sharjeel might have fixed since he played the 1st game.
Khalid definitely did not fix since he did not play the 1st game.

Its tantamount to fixing if latief had agreed.

 

[Hamza_]

Sharjeel might have fixed since he played the 1st game.
Khalid definitely did not fix since he did not play the 1st game.

It's said that they met night after the game

 

[cricketInsight]

- "Did not report" is pretty much confirmed.
- "Agreed to fix or fixed" may not be obvious and is harder to prove anyways based on a single match especiall in T20s.

 

[srh]

Talking and selecting is different. None of us can deny that salman's performances have been good since his comeback. He wont ever get selected though and thats the example we should look at rather than Amir's. For one amir there are two butt and asif who will never play for Pakistan again..

See this line of thinking is the main reason Pakistan cricket is in such a mess PCB should have treated the trio same way and banned them for life. Who cares if Amir is allegedly more talented than Asif and Butt. They all should have feel the same raw deal. Justice for all. This is what our religion Islam recommends.

 

[GrandMaster]

As per the bookie, both the players accepted and were "in"
Do you guys still want to save them?

 

[Syed1]

As per the bookie, both the players accepted and were "in"
Do you guys still want to save them?

I don't think the players are paragon of innocence, but can you show where the bookie shahab came out with the statement?

 

[GrandMaster]

KARACHI: The match-fixing scandal that has rocked the Pakistan Super league (PSL) grew in proportion today with three more players, including Test pacer Muhammad Irfan, being questioned by the Cricket Board's Anti-Corruption Unit.

Irfan, who has played four Tests for Pakistan, was questioned along with Zulfiqar Babar and Shahzaib Hasan but all the three have been cleared to carry on playing in the PSL for the time being.

A top official of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) said that it would take another 10 to 15 days to complete the investigations against suspended Pakistani players, Sharjeel Khan and Khalid Latif who were sent home from the Pakistan Super League on charges of meeting with people linked to a betting syndicate.

"As far as Sharjeel and Khalid are concerned enquiries will continue against them and this will take another week or two," Najam Sethi, who heads the PSL, said.

Sources told PTI that Sharjeel and Khalid, who were both in the Islamabad United franchise in the PSL, are accused of holding meetings with people in Dubai including a foreigner who is linked to a betting syndicate.

"The two are said to have discussed spot-fixing offers with these two people in the parking area of the team hotel," the source said.

"The charges against Sharjeel are serious because he apparently accepted a deal while Khalid was also into it," he added.

He said a discarded Pakistan Test batsman is now also under the scanner for allegedly having sent asked Khalid and Sharjeel to meet with the suspicious people in Dubai.

"This cricketer has also faced an enquiry in the Bangladesh premier league in the past."

The source said the ACU of the Pakistan board had been tipped off by the ICC's ACU about what was going on in the PSL.

"The investigations are now being carried on by both units."

A PCB official said the three other players had been questioned for lengthy periods after the matches on Friday but then cleared for the time being.

PCB Chairman, Shaharyar Khan, under fire now for having pushed for the return of the tainted Muhammad Aamir back into the national team and thus encouraging other players to dabble with suspicious characters, insisted Aamir was given relaxation and reprieve by the ICC.

"Aamir was given relaxation by the ICC not by us. That is why he was allowed to resume playing cricket and considered for the national team," Khan said.

The PCB chief, however, made it clear that the PCB was deeply hurt and angry with what had happened in the PSL.

"Now we are going to show no leniency at all that is for sure because enough is enough we take very good care of our players and they do this. This latest incident has been very damaging for the PSL," Khan said.

"We have evidence against Sharjeel and Khalid and they will face proper investigations."

Sharjeel's father told the media in his hometown Hyderabad that his son had told him he had done nothing.

"We believe in him but we also want to see what happens now. But I am very upset with the way the media has been reporting all this. The media has been irresponsible and already declared Sharjeel guilty," Sohail Khan said.


http://www.newindianexpress.com/spo...layers-questioned-in-psl-scandal-1569709.html

 

[aloo paratha]

6 Months to a year is fine IMO.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Excuse brigade ready.

If instead of Sharjeel it was Anwar Ali I am sure life bans would have been vehemently advocated with high degrees of indignance from all quarters about besmirching the name of the nation.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[dhump]

If there is punishment for this crime than why not.

 

[GrandMaster]

PCB should set up an example, there is nothing to lose. One is a 27-year-old hack with worst fitness and the second one is anyway on the verge of retirement.

 

[ali2220]

PCB should set up an example, there is nothing to lose. One is a 27-year-old hack with worst fitness and the second one is anyway on the verge of retirement.

Rubbish! Sharjeel certainly wasn't a hack and was indeed vital for our team.He is a huge loss to Pak, but its important that he get punished and if he had accepted the money then he should never play the game again.

 

[GrandMaster]

Rubbish! Sharjeel certainly wasn't a hack and was indeed vital for our team.He is a huge loss to Pak, but its important that he get punished and if he had accepted the money then he should never play the game again.

He is a hack and it's a fact. Though he scored some runs in Australian phattas, he won't even survive 2 overs in England.

 

[Rayyman]

- "Did not report" is pretty much confirmed.
- "Agreed to fix or fixed" may not be obvious and is harder to prove anyways based on a single match especiall in T20s.

Do the players know that it is mandatory to report a bookie? Maybe they just decided to forget about the whole situation and not tell anyone.

 

[ali2220]

He is a hack and it's a fact. Though he scored some runs in Australian phattas, he won't even survive 2 overs in England.

England isn't the only place where cricket is played, and everywhere else the wkts are phattas, as such if he wasn't involve in fixing, he would have been the most valuable player for our OD team, just like our coach said,

 

[Hawkeye]

Whatever the rules are for not reporting.

 

[ali2220]

Do the players know that it is mandatory to report a bookie? Maybe they just decided to forget about the whole situation and not tell anyone.

All of them have been briefed, Shahzaib reported the approach but the two others didn't, this shows that they were not clean.

 

[ali2220]

Whatever the rules are for not reporting.

I think its 6 months ban in Pak.

 

[Hawkeye]

I think its 6 months ban in Pak.

Thanks. That's not much then. That is if they really did refuse but failed to report.

 

[o_ahsan99]

So, it seems that Sharjeel was actually involved in spot fixing during the first game. What about Khalid Latif? Since he did not play the first game, did he actually commit a crime as well or is his offense only limited to not reporting the approach.

What is the maximum punishment for not reporting an approach? 1 - 2 years I guess?

 

[srh]

Excuse brigade ready.

If instead of Sharjeel it was Anwar Ali I am sure life bans would have been vehemently advocated with high degrees of indignance from all quarters about besmirching the name of the nation.

Different strokes for different folks.

its because Amir get away using this excuse so why Sharjeel cant especially when Amir's crime is way worst than Sharjeel's?

 

[cricketInsight]

Do the players know that it is mandatory to report a bookie? Maybe they just decided to forget about the whole situation and not tell anyone.

It is pretty clear that they are supposed to report it. How else would corruption be fought?

Their best hope is that they say that we were planning to report it if they havent agreed to a fix. However, according the reports, they were caught "meeting a bookie" which makes things harder to explain:

i) If this was their first meeting and they didnt know the person was a bookie - they didnt really have time to report
ii) If this was their second or third meeting, it puts them in deep trouble - it goes beyond not reporting
iii) If this bookies was on a suspect list that had been shared with the players they there is no excuse for them.

 

[Indiafan]

They are punishing asif and butt by not selecting them for national team.

Yes, thats exactly what boards should do. They can formerly say it though. However, I have a suspicion that if this scandal had not happened, Asif and butt might have come back in the team, there was lots of pressure from fans asking for thier comeback

 

[Indiafan]

Do the players know that it is mandatory to report a bookie? Maybe they just decided to forget about the whole situation and not tell anyone.

According to Sheriyar Khan, this was repeatedly drilled into the players, they were shown photos of know bookies and had multiple sessions about the importance f reporting any such approach

 

[Kamil1979]

Surprise by Shahid Afridi statement where he stat about life time ban to Sharjeel and latif, shahid afiridi was the one who support amir for his comeback, because he want to enter in WOrld T20 with him, can I ask Mr. Afiridi why you didn't request for life time ban to Amir, LoL, apni apni dheako bus Ye hay pakistan

 

[Madplayer]

See this line of thinking is the main reason Pakistan cricket is in such a mess PCB should have treated the trio same way and banned them for life. Who cares if Amir is allegedly more talented than Asif and Butt. They all should have feel the same raw deal. Justice for all. This is what our religion Islam recommends.

you didnt understand my point , did you?

Long story short , I meant we should treat fixers like we treated asif and butt i.e. not select them ever.

 

[Slog]

The 5 year ban wasn't given by the PCB, it was given by ICC.

Correct. So why not PCB now apply their ruling on the trio's case and ban them for life? It will be fair that if PCB is giving 10 years ban for not reporting an approach then the actual fixers should get a lot more than 10 years.

because rules were different then
if it happened today it will most likely be a life ban

 

[Slog]

Surprise by Shahid Afridi statement where he stat about life time ban to Sharjeel and latif, shahid afiridi was the one who support amir for his comeback, because he want to enter in WOrld T20 with him, can I ask Mr. Afiridi why you didn't request for life time ban to Amir, LoL, apni apni dheako bus Ye hay pakistan

amir was 18.

sharjeel is 27

 

[msb314]

10 year ban at the very least.

Way too harsh buddy.

For failing to report a bookie - I would say at most 2 years.

If they did actually fix - life ban without question.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Somebody should pull some strings and make them get away with it.

I'd do this I was in power, we play to win - simple as !!

 

[Madplayer]

amir was 18.

sharjeel is 27

People forget that amir's age was one of the major reasons why he was forgiven while asif and butt weren't.

 

[Square Drive]

Considering Sethi had briefed them about all this before the tournament started, yes, they should still get punished.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Somebody should pull some strings and make them get away with it.

I'd do this I was in power, we play to win - simple as !!

Really?

Seems like the loss of Amir , Asif and Butt has not really made you smart brother.

We play to win but we can't win if players get caught.

If Sharjeel escapes today (provided he is guilty) you will have nowhere to hide when he actually fixes tomorrow.
And you will be asking for next fixer to be pardoned.

 

[Ankit007]

Yes. Ban for life

 

[Third Man]

- "Did not report" is pretty much confirmed.
- "Agreed to fix or fixed" may not be obvious and is harder to prove anyways based on a single match especiall in T20s.

Does anyone know what the technical/legal definition of "did not report" is? How much time is allowed before you report an approach?

There might be room for a legal argument in this case.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Unlikely that they will get any reprieve from PCB. PCB would want to protect PSL's brand image at any cost.

Also wonder if UAE has criminal provisions for betting/fixing in its legal system. PCB was wise to send the players back to Pakistan before cops entered the scene. Could have become uglier for the players.

 

[itsme]

Depends,if they agreed or not,if they don't it should be a light ban of 6months for example.
There are 2 possibilities they were interest so they didn't report or they didn't want to denounce a friend.

 

[Borg]

I dont know whats more demoralising, the fact that pakistani players have done this again or reading the 'excuse brigade' posts, pakistanis truly deserve what they get in their politicians, leaders, sports.

 

[Markhor]

Somebody should pull some strings and make them get away with it.

I'd do this I was in power, we play to win - simple as !!

This mindset is exactly why we keep having these fixing dramas.

Somewhere you have to draw the line. Justice should have no consideration for the individual talent of a player.

 

[Slog]

Somebody should pull some strings and make them get away with it.

I'd do this I was in power, we play to win - simple as !!

This mindset is exactly why we keep having these fixing dramas.

Somewhere you have to draw the line. Justice should have no consideration for the individual talent of a player.

This. Asides from the obvious that how exactly are you 'playing to win' when you are playing cricketers who are doing the exact opposite and under performing for financial gains.

I see a flawed logic. Player X was caught underperforming. But he should continue playing as he is a match winner. Didn't we just establish that he in fact trying to hurt the team's chances of winning? How does this logic work?
PS: dont think ahmedwaqas bhai is serious here.

 

[Asim2Good]

Brendon McCullum never faced any penalties, even though he only disclosed them years after in the case against Chris Cairns. Nada, not a single penny or any ban either!

If all they had was an approach then heavy fine is the best PCB can/should do

But at the sametime, made him reitre too.
Anyway it's not question about that action wasn't taken against X,Y,Z player so we shouldl let them play too.

A Hong Kong player was banned 2.5 years for same offence last year by ICC, he didn't report the offers he got.

 

[Stallion__]

Why would someone even fail to report

The only positive thing that came out of 2010 scandal was that it disseminated the awareness regarding fixing and even a teenager can tell how to respond to such situation. I am not willing to believe that they thought that it's not important to inform anyone, they were covering up for a friend or they didn't report just because of laziness.

 

[mz123]

bump