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Should the Ashes be reduced to a 3 test series given the lack of competitive cricket?

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In my lifetime, there’s been only one truly great Ashes series, followed by a handful of decent contests.

The rest have largely been low-quality, one-sided affairs.

England usually gets mauled in Australia.
Australia, in turn, hasn’t won an Ashes series in England for nearly two decades.

Given this pattern, it’s fair to ask whether a five-Test series still makes sense.

Wouldn’t a three-Test Ashes produce tighter, more competitive cricket and cut out the dead rubber fatigue?

What do you reckon?
 
Ashes was always supposed to be an annual beerfest tour around the country

It’s more of an exhibition of imperialism than it is of cricket.


They will never reduce it to 3 test matches
 
It still sells tickets..a good Pom thrashing down under is like tradition now and all Aussies love it
 
It might not right now but if England don't lift up their game then interest might die down.
 
its the most important test series and the only hisotoric rivalry left in the format since india decided it will only play pakistan in every white ball tournament exclusively. indian fans sound like a jealous mistress longingly waiting for her man's wife to die with this obsession over aussie test series they arent even involved in. :D
 
It's England who should be competitive. They are playing as if they are some minnow team. Ashes is one of the best things to happen to Test cricket.
 
its the most important test series and the only hisotoric rivalry left in the format since india decided it will only play pakistan in every white ball tournament exclusively. indian fans sound like a jealous mistress longingly waiting for her man's wife to die with this obsession over aussie test series they arent even involved in. :D

BGT has already replaced Ashes as the #1 test series for Aussies.
 
From a cricketing POV, the Aussie Ashes should not be a 5 Test series and should be reduced to a 3 Tests series. But fortunately, for OZ and ENG, it's still profitable for the home board, so it's not much of an issue.

There's a case for England's tour of India to be dialled backed to 3 or 4 Tests per series
 
BGT has already replaced Ashes as the #1 test series for Aussies.
According to what data, statistical evidence etc.

The Ashes is already over and still a record breaking crowd of 94,199 fans turned up at the MCG on Day 1.
 
In my lifetime, there’s been only one truly great Ashes series, followed by a handful of decent contests.

The rest have largely been low-quality, one-sided affairs.

England usually gets mauled in Australia.
Australia, in turn, hasn’t won an Ashes series in England for nearly two decades.

Given this pattern, it’s fair to ask whether a five-Test series still makes sense.

Wouldn’t a three-Test Ashes produce tighter, more competitive cricket and cut out the dead rubber fatigue?

What do you reckon?
Cricket is dominated by money.
As long as the series keeps generating revenue it will remain a five test series.

It’s a bit like Test cricket in England — a tiny fraction of the British public have even a passing knowledge or awareness of cricket. Three quarters of the English side are privately educated (vs 7% of the entire population).
Most state schools have stopped playing.
Cricket is a totally niche support in England — cf football where the premier league is the wealthiest league in the world.

But the demographic who do follow cricket are wealthier, middle/upper class and have large disposable incomes.
They also prioritise Test cricket (as an example the Test match against NZ at the Oval next year is already virtually sold out for the first few days) and within Test cricket, they want to watch Ashes cricket more than anything.

So, as long as there is money and support, it will continue.

It, however, is an untenable situation and cricket will die in England.
( compared to India with a population of 1 billion and where cricket is the preeminent sport and Australia where cricket is only second to Australian rules football in popularity).
 
In my lifetime, there’s been only one truly great Ashes series, followed by a handful of decent contests.

The rest have largely been low-quality, one-sided affairs.

England usually gets mauled in Australia.
Australia, in turn, hasn’t won an Ashes series in England for nearly two decades.

Given this pattern, it’s fair to ask whether a five-Test series still makes sense.

Wouldn’t a three-Test Ashes produce tighter, more competitive cricket and cut out the dead rubber fatigue?

What do you reckon?
The attendance today was over 93000.Why would they reduce it to three tests?.
 
It’s more of an exhibition of imperialism than it is of cricket.

You described it perfectly. To repeat the quote of cricket historian Mike Marquese - " The prestige of the Ashes in Britain has to do with pedigree, tradition, and lingering assumptions about Western supremacy. "

It's a ding-dong battle for white people. Cringe indian fans should stop downplaying it and stop being so needy.
 
Cummins is doing workload management in the Ashes. That is how much they even rate ENgland as an opposition.
 
As long as Aus crowd shows up to see Aus bully Eng , it will be 5 tests. Getting easy 4-5 test wins and crowd cheering, it will continue.
 
I think Ashes should remain a 5-match series because it is not a new series like BGT. :inti

Ashes has a legacy and that legacy goes back to 19th century. It is over 130 years old.
 
They should actually increase it to 7 Test matches.

3 in England and 3 in Australia.

The last test match should be held in a neutral venue, ideally in South Africa.
 
They should actually increase it to 7 Test matches.

3 in England and 3 in Australia.

The last test match should be held in a neutral venue, ideally in South Africa.

No. That's a terrible idea. Why play at a neutral venue? :inti

I think current format is good. This format is there for over 100 years. No need to change a historic series.
 
There is a higher chance that Australia wud make it 6 test series bcoz is a cash cow for the Australian board
 
Cricket is dominated by money.
As long as the series keeps generating revenue it will remain a five test series.

It’s a bit like Test cricket in England — a tiny fraction of the British public have even a passing knowledge or awareness of cricket. Three quarters of the English side are privately educated (vs 7% of the entire population).
Most state schools have stopped playing.
Cricket is a totally niche support in England — cf football where the premier league is the wealthiest league in the world.

But the demographic who do follow cricket are wealthier, middle/upper class and have large disposable incomes.
They also prioritise Test cricket (as an example the Test match against NZ at the Oval next year is already virtually sold out for the first few days) and within Test cricket, they want to watch Ashes cricket more than anything.

So, as long as there is money and support, it will continue.

It, however, is an untenable situation and cricket will die in England.
( compared to India with a population of 1 billion and where cricket is the preeminent sport and Australia where cricket is only second to Australian rules football in popularity).
Its a catch 22 situation for England cricket. Without cricket on free to air tv , the sport's popularity among the masses has nosedived. But without lucrative revenue from pay tv , they cannot sustain financially
 
In my lifetime, there’s been only one truly great Ashes series, followed by a handful of decent contests.

The rest have largely been low-quality, one-sided affairs.

England usually gets mauled in Australia.
Australia, in turn, hasn’t won an Ashes series in England for nearly two decades.

Given this pattern, it’s fair to ask whether a five-Test series still makes sense.

Wouldn’t a three-Test Ashes produce tighter, more competitive cricket and cut out the dead rubber fatigue?

What do you reckon?
you indians just talk rubbish far too much, stop crying, and go watch something else,

ashes has history - its 5 tests and wlll continue to remain 5 tests,
 
England can only talk about how big Ashes is but can’t back it up with performance.

Joe Root and Ben Stokes have been such huge figures in English cricket for more than a decade now and they never won a single test match in Australia.

All they do is whine Indians this and that but no performance to back up the claim.
 
As long as Aus crowd shows up to see Aus bully Eng , it will be 5 tests. Getting easy 4-5 test wins and crowd cheering, it will continue.
True only three countries pay attention to Test cricket. SA, NZ despite being good rarely play tests sdue financial reasons. Rest of the teams are perennially crap.
 
Absolutely, no need to play 5 test when everyone's already know the outcome of the entire series. Very boring one sided contest.

:kp
 
you indians just talk rubbish far too much, stop crying, and go watch something else,

ashes has history - its 5 tests and wlll continue to remain 5 tests,
I shared a avideo of ENglish JOurnalist George DObell saying "England should never play 5 tests anymore in any country". For some reason it is taken out. What is your answer for that? Even English feel that way. THey are tired of getting pounded series after series
 
No, it should be made contingent to result of first two Tests

Ok, can someone guess when is the last time an Ashes in Australia went to the 5th test with any of the three outcomes possible for the series?
 
According to what data, statistical evidence etc.

The Ashes is already over and still a record breaking crowd of 94,199 fans turned up at the MCG on Day 1.

BGT has nearly the same crowd. In fact BGT crowd numbers broke a few records last time.

Australians prefer BGT for competition sake.
They love Ashes because they love to spank Pom’s, it’s fun for them.
 
Ok, can someone guess when is the last time an Ashes in Australia went to the 5th test with any of the three outcomes possible for the series?
Yes, true...but let's give poms some rope to revive the insipid rivalry in Australia
 
BGT has nearly the same crowd. In fact BGT crowd numbers broke a few records last time.

Australians prefer BGT for competition sake.
They love Ashes because they love to spank Pom’s, it’s fun for them.
Ashes have that crowd because poor 40,0000 English fans travelled all the way to watch this disaster.
 
I shared a avideo of ENglish JOurnalist George DObell saying "England should never play 5 tests anymore in any country". For some reason it is taken out. What is your answer for that? Even English feel that way. THey are tired of getting pounded series after series
i know who he is, used to be on cricinfo

he doesn't mean it, hes just playing, english have multiple layers off comedy, more than any other country in the world - i know this, i'm born and bred in UK
 
Jarod Kimber
cuz your indian - you dont get western comedy at all,

look at my above post

i know jarod kimber is aussie and not english - you still dont get western humor - how to dig in the knife as comedy value in multiple ways,

you cant even show anyone numerous of time he has said this - as he hasnt - he just says it when aussie win by a big margin = he has a big audience in england


indians dont understand western humor
 
Yes, true...but let's give poms some rope to revive the insipid rivalry in Australia

Dear is it good for test cricket. People will lose their interest seeing one sided boring cricket.

We need spice and highly competitive cricket to keep the game alive.
 
i know who he is, used to be on cricinfo

he doesn't mean it, hes just playing, english have multiple layers off comedy, more than any other country in the world - i know this, i'm born and bred in UK

It was not a comedy. He was specifically talking about 5 test series away at home

Here are ENgland's 5 test series results after that 2010 series excluding the current series



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25 tests played 21 lost . Won 1 test.

If you add the current series

28 tests 24 lost won 1. If i were an England fan i would not want 5 test series.
 
cuz your indian - you dont get western comedy at all,

look at my above post

i know jarod kimber is aussie and not english - you still dont get western humor - how to dig in the knife as comedy value in multiple ways,

you cant even show anyone numerous of time he has said this - as he hasnt - he just says it when aussie win by a big margin = he has a big audience in england


indians dont understand western humor

:"Western comedy" lol what the hell is that. I have been living most of my life in the west (USA).
 
Not for now. There is still a lot at stake.

After Joe Root cremates Tendulkars record India can start a new series and with its ashes alongside their tears.

But until then this current format works.
 
Dobell has been saying this for 2 years now.
Pak fans are worried about Root's record than Root himself lol All records are meant to be broken. 5 test series or not he is likely to beat it. Even after an almost drawn test series in Australia i don't think India should play 5 test series for a while. A genuine fan won't want to see his team repeatedly getting humiliated for more than a decade won't want 5 test series especially away.
 
It was not a comedy. He was specifically talking about 5 test series away at home

Here are ENgland's 5 test series results after that 2010 series excluding the current series



Screenshot-2025-12-26-095240.jpg




25 tests played 21 lost . Won 1 test.

If you add the current series

28 tests 24 lost won 1. If i were an England fan i would not want 5 test series.
Again the english fans will still want the ashes to be 5 tests, you cant show me proof from the aussie / english side that they would want the ashes reduced the 3
 
Again the english fans will still want the ashes to be 5 tests, you cant show me proof from the aussie / english side that they would want the ashes reduced the 3
I showed. you called it "western comedy" lol like there is such a thing. Why would you want 5 test series when you are getting hammered in every 5 test series for the last decade.
 
:"Western comedy" lol what the hell is that. I have been living most of my life in the west (USA).
yeh but US doesnt have the different types of comedy as UK does, Americans still dont understand UK comedy, heres a list below

  • Satire: Mocks societal issues, politics, or institutions through irony and exaggeration to provoke thought and laughter.
  • Slapstick/Physical: Relies on exaggerated physical actions, stunts, and mock violence for humor (e.g., Charlie Chaplin, the Three Stooges).
  • Observational: Finds humor in everyday life and mundane situations, creating relatable content.
  • Dark/Black: Deals with morbid, serious, or taboo subjects (like death or misfortune), pushing the boundaries of what is socially acceptable to laugh at.
  • Parody: Imitates specific films, genres, or works for comedic effect, often poking fun at the original source material (e.g., Airplane!).
  • Surreal/Absurdist: Uses bizarre, illogical, and nonsensical situations that defy normal logic to create humor (e.g., Monty Python's Flying Circus).
  • Dry/Deadpan: Delivered with an impassive, expressionless, and matter-of-fact presentation, which contrasts with the absurdity of the joke.
  • Character: Involves comedians developing unique personas or character archetypes, with the humor stemming from the character's personality or the situations they find themselves in.
  • Farce: Uses highly exaggerated situations, improbable coincidences, and eccentric characters to create chaos and confusion.
  • Blue/Off-color: Relies on profanity or indecent, risqué subject matter for comic effect.
  • Self-deprecating: The performer targets their own misfortunes, flaws, or foibles for comic effect, connecting with the audience through vulnerability

If you think ausies / english want the ashes to be 3 tests - then should show me, articles from people like atherton / n.hussain - proper cricket writers for both countries,

i dont wanna see or read a short statement which shows someone saying i want it to be 3 test = as that always used out of context
 
The BGT now is what the Frank Worrell Trophy was in the 1990s. A far more competitive rivalry with a higher quality of Test cricket than the Ashes but very few fans and pundits, if any, claimed Australia vs West Indies superceded the historical rivalry of the Ashes. Australia vs South Africa in the 2000s would be another example.

@RexRex and @ElRaja are right, there's a segment of the Indian fanbase who are coming across as very needy by this continual diminishing of the Ashes as if different rivalries cannot sit within its own context in a sport.

Whether we like or not, Australia vs England is the oldest international rivalry dating back to the 19th century, rooted in symbols of colonialism and white supremacy. They were the two foundational members of the ICC (along with SA). Thankfully the rivalry has less sinister connotations now and is about two culturally very similar, English speaking nations wanting to knock ten bells out of each other like two brothers.

Most genuine cricket lovers understand the context. That's unless you're a fan who's more interested in seeing India emerge as a new imperial power in its own right, and are desperate for everyone else to be subservient to your narrative no matter the facts.
 
I showed. you called it "western comedy" lol like there is such a thing. Why would you want 5 test series when you are getting hammered in every 5 test series for the last decade.
@jnaveen1980 - yes losing matters - but the english player / coach / writer and fan wants the ashes to be 5 tests only and nothing less = that what i mean about caring
 
I think people are hung upon BGT vs Ashes comparison and offer unobjetive opinion. Forget about BGT. Forget Australia and India never play cricket in Australia like Bangladesh never plays there. Let us assume Australia vs India rivalry in AUstralia is less than Afghanistan vs Australia rivalry there. Just look at Ashes in isolation without any comparison. History, geography nonsense matters little in modern cricket outside England. Only reason Australia wants this is because they like to humiliate English fans, ENglish pundits incessantly off the field.
 
The BGT now is what the Frank Worrell Trophy was in the 1990s. A far more competitive rivalry with a higher quality of Test cricket than the Ashes but very few fans and pundits, if any, claimed Australia vs West Indies superceded the historical rivalry of the Ashes. Australia vs South Africa in the 2000s would be another example.

@RexRex and @ElRaja are right, there's a segment of the Indian fanbase who are coming across as very needy by this continual diminishing of the Ashes as if different rivalries cannot sit within its own context in a sport.

Whether we like or not, Australia vs England is the oldest international rivalry dating back to the 19th century, rooted in symbols of colonialism and white supremacy. They were the two foundational members of the ICC (along with SA). Thankfully the rivalry has less sinister connotations now and is about two culturally very similar, English speaking nations wanting to knock ten bells out of each other like two brothers.

Most genuine cricket lovers understand the context. That's unless you're a fan who's more interested in seeing India emerge as a new imperial power in its own right, and are desperate for everyone else to be subservient to your narrative no matter the facts.
agree with this mostly except one part, a huge allure of the FW trophy and Eng WI was the aura of that West Indies team, its not that they won, its the narrative of what the represented and the way they carried themselve. They won against the odds, against the major powers of cricket, and they looked good doing it. It was David vs Goliath, and not only was David owning Goliath, he was preverbially going home with the girl too.

india will never have that for the reason that they are the powerhouse now, they have more material resources to pour into the game than all the other boards combined and continually throw their weight around, therefore no neutral will ever hero worship the indian team like people did the WI of the 80s.
 
Ashes will remain a 5-Test series due to its historical significance. Whether it’s competitive or not doesn’t matter.

@jnaveen1980 Use Chatgpt to generate a response to this condescending fantasy guy like he used to give you the different English comedy genres.
He seems like a migrant trying hard to assimilate assuming he even lives there. That's okay. No issue with that. Yea.. it will be a 5 test series. But there is a certain level of frustration among fans. Indian fans had the same feeling after Bumrah broke down in 5th test in Australia. "India shouldn't be playing 5 tests". Even i had the same sentiment.This was when Australia could win the series only in 4th innings of 5th test albeit with the absence of superstar bowler. It is natural reaction for fans. I am sure handful of English fans feel the same way.
 
You are the 1 guy here. That guy sure got approval from hsi editors from his publishers.
yes to write an article - also elraja and rex on here have stated the same as me


you need to start adding more articles to prove your crazy point alng with all the indians on here with the same crazy pointo view - seems like yur struggling,

cmon mate, keep listing me the ex players and ex or current coaches - stating your 3 crazy test ashes
 
Ashes will remain a 5-Test series due to its historical significance. Whether it’s competitive or not doesn’t matter.

@jnaveen1980 Use Chatgpt to generate a response to this condescending fantasy guy like he used to give you the different English comedy genres.
or your a bit dumb and showing it yet again
 
yes to write an article - also elraja and rex on here have stated the same as me


you need to start adding more articles to prove your crazy point alng with all the indians on here with the same crazy pointo view - seems like yur struggling,

cmon mate, keep listing me the ex players and ex or current coaches - stating your 3 crazy test ashes
Okay two guys i referrred are actual journalists. I have better job than interviewing everybody. Anyway Aussies are happy to welcome English fans. Because an estimated 500 million AUD earned by Australia thanks to foolish Barm Army fans travellign to watch their team getting annihilated one more time.
 
Okay two guys i referrred are actual journalists. I have better job than interviewing everybody. Anyway Aussies are happy to welcome English fans. Because an estimated 500 million AUD earned by Australia thanks to foolish Barm Army fans travellign to watch their team getting annihilated one more time.
your contradicting yourself,


like you said = many people are saying would like the ashes to be 3 tests, i said no relevant person has said this = you've named me 1 so called journalist.


keep listing the articles you have read or video you have watched, whci has featured relevent english / aussies who want the ashes to be 3 test,

your scared of your own shadow, petrified, your rambling - just list me


o yeh you cant, you just believe that crap 1 article stated and thought many people are saying that .... like i said your wrong - just admit your wrong.
 
your contradicting yourself,


like you said = many people are saying would like the ashes to be 3 tests, i said no relevant person has said this = you've named me 1 so called journalist.


keep listing the articles you have read or video you have watched, whci has featured relevent english / aussies who want the ashes to be 3 test,

your scared of your own shadow, petrified, your rambling - just list me


o yeh you cant, you just believe that crap 1 article stated and thought many people are saying that .... like i said your wrong - just admit your wrong.

I am not contradicting. You are saying "Everyone" who is everyone lol ONly you.
 
or your a bit dumb and showing it yet again
1. Don’t be presumptuous.
2. Argue on facts rather than opinions.
3. Be smart and use proper English before calling someone else dumb else you’ll continue to be exposed very quickly like you just did - as they say, it’s better to keep quiet and let others think you’re a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.
 
Came across this "Ashes economics" bit:

Total visitors expected over the 5 tests - 40,000+
Visitors during Perth test only - 9000
Total spend estimated - $300m+
Estimated jobs supported - 1050

CA/Australian government certainly would not be complaining that's for sure.
 
Came across this "Ashes economics" bit:

Total visitors expected over the 5 tests - 40,000+
Visitors during Perth test only - 9000
Total spend estimated - $300m+
Estimated jobs supported - 1050

CA/Australian government certainly would not be complaining that's for sure.
+1

Eng can keep losing series after 10-11 days of cricket, CA/Aus won't have any complains as long as it generates revenue.
 
+1

Eng can keep losing series after 10-11 days of cricket, CA/Aus won't have any complains as long as it generates revenue.
After the bizarre Perth match, all the eng supporters went for the tours inside regional western Australia.Here there were few articles about sudden explosion of people in far remote places and generating revenue. Even the long gaps between test matches has complemented it quite well.
 
So what I'm hearing is that it is all about money and extraneous stuff and not actually about the sport.

But but but BCCI ruined the sport with money ..... S$%%Br#$%^d fwits
 
Ashes is the most important test series in the world, no other series compares to it and it carries a legacy of 100+ years.

Hence Joe Root who has been average in Ashes will never be an ATG.
He averages just 40.1 in Ashes and is not in the top 80 batsman list for overall average.

He failed at the grandest stage of them all, not sure if we can even call him an Englisg great as he failed in the only series that matters.
 
This is worst quality cricket I have seen in a long time.

This 4th test has done irreplaceable damage to test cricket
 
This is worst quality cricket I have seen in a long time.

This 4th test has done irreplaceable damage to test cricket
I was excited to watch boxing day test. Was a let down. Although it was thrill a minute length of this game is going to be a let down for fans. I have seen too many such tests in recent times.
 
This is worst quality cricket I have seen in a long time.

This 4th test has done irreplaceable damage to test cricket
Ashes in England is a lot better than Ashes in Australia in recent times in terms of excitement for the fans.
 
Will MCG pitch get a demerit point? Match finished in 2 days
maybe, but you should have seen some of the headingley wickets back in the day, and the matches still stretched to 3-4 days.

The reality is batsmen nowadays can’t cope with anything remotely challenging.
 
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