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If in the event PCB decide not to persist with sarfaraz ahmed should the next captain be in charge of all three formats

I know some people are a fan of having a captain for all three formats but is it a good idea I find it's a huge workload and that player can never really be dropped

Personally I don't think this is the way to go I prefer having one captain for limited overs ( ODI and t20 ) and the other for test cricket

What do you guys think
 
Most importantly we shouldn’t select a captain first and then select a team around him. We should select a team first and then a captain from within it.
 
Boot Safaraz from all formats.

Rizwan should be in test/ODIs.

Rohail Nazir in T20.

Imad Wasim should be captain of ODIs/T20.

Azhar Ali should be captain in tests.

Babar Azam should be VC for all formats.
 
gazza619 said:
Boot Safaraz from all formats.

Rizwan should be in test/ODIs.

Rohail Nazir in T20.

Imad Wasim should be captain of ODIs/T20.

Azhar Ali should be captain in tests.

Babar Azam should be VC for all formats.
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Agree with this 100 percent only think is I wouldn't want to play Rohail nazir yet still needs to work on his batting in my opinion but aside from that everything else is spot on
 
Safaraz probably deserves to remain captain in t20's. The team has done well in this format and Rizwan as WK here doesn't seem like an upgrade.
 
Test
C: A Shafiq (Review after 1 year)
VC: B Azam (C If Shafiq fails after 1 year)

ODI
C: I Wasim (for a year)
VC: B Azam (C after a year)

T20I
C: S Ahmed (Till 2020T20 WC, If reaches semis, continues till 2021T20 WC)
VC: B Azam ( C after Sarfraz leaves)
 
Hard enough captaining Pakistan in one format - 3 is almost impossible.
 
gazza619 said:
Boot Safaraz from all formats.

Rizwan should be in test/ODIs.

Rohail Nazir in T20.

Imad Wasim should be captain of ODIs/T20.

Azhar Ali should be captain in tests.

Babar Azam should be VC for all formats.
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What for ODI? The guy cant spin the ball and creates no pressure against the good teams with his medium paced "spin"
 
Maybe Imad or Amir?
Babar Azam as a VC. He needs to focus on his batting atm and continue improving and should not focus much on captaincy.
 
No need what so ever to change captaincy at this juncture. This will completely disrupt the dynamics of the side. Imad and Babar may become captains in the future but now and not for the next 1 year or so.

Change for the sake of change results in nothing but continued change and disruption to the side which means long term failure. These young players are starting to establish their place and role in the side and I cannot think of anything worse than handing them the captaincy.

Being a Pakistan captain means that your are subject to constant and unfair criticism by failed and/or disgruntled ex-players and arm chair experts who have no experience of international cricket. These players need to be protected from both these cohort of idiots.
 
Sarfaraz doesn’t merit a place in the ODI team as a keeper-batsman. So how can he captain the side? #thinkaboutit
 
Also it is wrong to not kick out sarfaraz on the grounds that who would be his replacement as captain.

The right order that is selecting a suitable squad first and then a captain from within it must be followed. Not the other way around.

No other top team does it. It’s time Pak also moves into the 21st century.
 
The same Sarfraz who has lead a young Pakistan side to CT title, number 1 T20 ranking. And the impatient fans what to replace him as captain with players who are just starting to establish themselves. That is nothing short of madness!

Why do Pak fans have this fixation with constantly changing things. We have been playing this changing game for decades and it has never delivered. On the contrary, Pakistan have always been at their strongest when we have had stability in leadership and selection.
 
Different captains for ODIs and T20Is is a disastrous idea.
 
Hasan said:
The same Sarfraz who has lead a young Pakistan side to CT title, number 1 T20 ranking. And the impatient fans what to replace him as captain with players who are just starting to establish themselves. That is nothing short of madness!

Why do Pak fans have this fixation with constantly changing things. We have been playing this changing game for decades and it has never delivered. On the contrary, Pakistan have always been at their strongest when we have had stability in leadership and selection.
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Sarfaraz hasn't merited being retained as captain to be honest. Look at his fitness for heavens sake compared to how fit he was in 2013-14. Look at his individual performances as well. To persist with him would send the wrong message that he is indispensable
 
Sarfraz deserves to atleast remain captain of the T20 side for the near future.

Babar as ODI captain and Shan in Tests.
 
Hasan said:
The same Sarfraz who has lead a young Pakistan side to CT title, number 1 T20 ranking. And the impatient fans what to replace him as captain with players who are just starting to establish themselves. That is nothing short of madness!

Why do Pak fans have this fixation with constantly changing things. We have been playing this changing game for decades and it has never delivered. On the contrary, Pakistan have always been at their strongest when we have had stability in leadership and selection.
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Sarfraz can’t bat for his life, he hides behind tailenders and has looked like a clueless and accidental captain this entire WC. No thanks!
 
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Sarfaraz has ODI stats as a batsmen of av 34, sr 88 and 11 50s and 2 100s. These are good stats for a wicket keeper batsmen who bats in the middle.

His T20 stats are av 28, sr 129 and 2 50s.

These stats suggest to me that he certainly justifies his place in the batting side. Add to this his success as a captain in ODI and T20.
 
How can a clueless captain lead his side to CT success, T20 top ranking and a WC campaign which saw Pakistan defeat two of the strongest sides in the tournament?

If fitness is an issue this can be addressed without the need for disrupting the structure of a young and emerging side. Pakistan has so much to be positive about especially the new crop of younger players. Let’s not put that at risk by chopping and changing. Which is proven to have failed in the past.
 
Hasan said:
How can a clueless captain lead his side to CT success, T20 top ranking and a WC campaign which saw Pakistan defeat two of the strongest sides in the tournament?

If fitness is an issue this can be addressed without the need for disrupting the structure of a young and emerging side. Pakistan has so much to be positive about especially the new crop of younger players. Let’s not put that at risk by chopping and changing. Which is proven to have failed in the past.
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It was individual brilliance that has made us a top T20 side and won us CT17. Sarfraz has done nothing for the past 3 years apart from that match winning innings against SL in the Champions Trophy.
 
That is an opinion which is not supported by stats and results. I beg to differ and say that change for the sake of change is a failed strategy.
 
Can only think of Hafeez who is an automatic selection and walks into the team in all three formats, might be just the man for the job.
 
Hasan said:
The same Sarfraz who has lead a young Pakistan side to CT title, number 1 T20 ranking. And the impatient fans what to replace him as captain with players who are just starting to establish themselves. That is nothing short of madness!

Why do Pak fans have this fixation with constantly changing things. We have been playing this changing game for decades and it has never delivered. On the contrary, Pakistan have always been at their strongest when we have had stability in leadership and selection.
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As far as I am concerned, I am not asking for wholesale changes in the team or a change of head coach. Just saying that sarfaraz doesn’t merit a spot in the team as a batsman. Which is why he shouldn’t be in the team and hence not the captain.

We must compare him to other keeper batsmen of the age such as Butler, QDK, Mushfiq, Hope, Dhoni etc. He is easily the worst amongst them and that’s a fact. Now please take your time and think about it.
 
They should start making Babar Azam captain of ODI.He is the only person who is currently performing in every format for Pakistan.No other batsman is close to him.His last matches of test cricket have been brilliant.Sarfaraz cannot bat at 6/7 because he cannot hit the ball,he said even in his interview that he is not a hitter.And still they send him in low order.Babar is the best choise as he is even performing
 
Azhar ali and asad shaifiq are not in form,they play test cricket once in a year and they are always out of form.Last time they performed in a winnig cause was 5 year ago.
 
Hasan said:
That is an opinion which is not supported by stats and results. I beg to differ and say that change for the sake of change is a failed strategy.
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You have been parroting this so much, when you will quiet down? There will be change and don't be afraid of it. Sarfraz is fat, unfit and out of form. You want stats? His overall record may be decent but in the last 2 years his stats have been much worse:
 
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Look it's much worse now. 29 average now and that's with the England series included where he stay padded on absolute phattas and welost anyways.
 
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It is utter madness to drop a captain with a very good international and domestic record on the basis of loss of form in 17/18. Interestingly your table shows that he averages 42 with a sr of 97 in 2019 after 13 matches, which is a significant improvement on his overall record and suggests that he is regaining his form and confidence with the bat.

Pls name another captain in Pakistan who has a major international tournament under his belt, who has helped to put Pak at the top of T20 rankings and has led his domestics T20 side PSL success. And least we forgot has lead the u19 team to wC success as well. This is a stellar record as captain!

I am sorry but your arguments is at best very thin. Individuals with these records are very special indeed and it would be very foolish to replace a captain with this record with someone who is totally inexperienced.

Thanks for sharing the stats. It would also be interesting to see his stats pre and post 2017. I suspect that he is now batting further down the order as younger batsmen have started to emerge. Which could also explain his drop in averages in 2017 /18.

HappyWarsFan said:
You have been parroting this so much, when you will quiet down? There will be change and don't be afraid of it. Sarfraz is fat, unfit and out of form. You want stats? His overall record may be decent but in the last 2 years his stats have been much worse:
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Justcrazy said:
Imad Wasim for 20 20 and OD

Sarfaraz for Test.
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The same Imad Wasim who's outside of the Afghanistan game had 0 wickets and a total of 113 runs in 5 matches?

I would have thought people may have wanted him out of the team, not make him captain.
 
Hasan said:
Pls do not take my word it but read what Viv Richards says about Sarfraz. The greatest batsmen of modern era and a man who know a thing or two about great captains and building a great team.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/batt...09/viv-richards-sarfraz-captain-pakistan/amp/

With due respect, Richards opinion holds more weight compared to yours.
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I was expecting to come across above average cricketing minds on PP. According to your logic the opinion of the greatest cricketer, if we can agree on one, would trump all other opinions.

When people justify Sarfaraz’s batting I just feel hopeless about Pakistan’s future as a nation.
 
I think it is difficult for one person to manage three different captaincies. Test should have one captain and ODI/T20 should have another captain.
 
Guys any reports or news coming in on who captain will be

From YouTube I see some people saying imad wasim or Amir even some say it might be Shan Masood
 
I personally don't think this is the right decision. Our players in the test format aren't likely to be a part of the ODI/T20I. I think we should have a seperate captain for tests to LOIs.
 
I have a bad feeling that it will still be Sarfaraz across all formats.
I sincerely hope i am wrong though.
 
Don't think Sarfraz is going anywhere. People might forget, but he averaged 42 at a SR 97 in 2019 so far. As a captain won three upsets in SA, Eng, NZ, and probably would have got his team to qualify for semis if not for rain.

It may not be fantastic, but it's decent and a huge step up from 2018 in both batting and results. I think he's pretty much saved his spot with these performances. The only real alternative is Imad who hasn't been a permanent member of the team too long, fitness issues. I also would think it would mess up development of the team.

I would keep Sarfraz for ODIs and T20s. I would retire him from captaincy and preferably as a player from the team in tests, he's been bad for 4 years or so in tests now and make someone else captain. If Masood can captain probably him, he was decent in the SA tests, and looks to set a good example. Plus he's sort of expendable, if it doesn't work out we can always get someone else.
 
ads101 said:
Don't think Sarfraz is going anywhere. People might forget, but he averaged 42 at a SR 97 in 2019 so far. As a captain won three upsets in SA, Eng, NZ, and probably would have got his team to qualify for semis if not for rain.

It may not be fantastic, but it's decent and a huge step up from 2018 in both batting and results. I think he's pretty much saved his spot with these performances. The only real alternative is Imad who hasn't been a permanent member of the team too long, fitness issues. I also would think it would mess up development of the team.

I would keep Sarfraz for ODIs and T20s. I would retire him from captaincy and preferably as a player from the team in tests, he's been bad for 4 years or so in tests now and make someone else captain. If Masood can captain probably him, he was decent in the SA tests, and looks to set a good example. Plus he's sort of expendable, if it doesn't work out we can always get someone else.
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And what would be his batting position in ODIs?
Can’t bat at 6 or lower which means one of Haris or Hafeez miss out if he bats at 5.
 
Hasan said:
That is an opinion which is not supported by stats and results. I beg to differ and say that change for the sake of change is a failed strategy.
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Change for sake of change is indeed a failed strategy but not in this case.

Sarfaraz makes an already weak batting line up weak, he offers nothing with the bat.

He might be a good T20 captain but it's not worth it to carry him on that alone in the T20 side.

Sarfaraz needs to go.
 
2 captains 1 for tests & 1 for LOi’s
Lmao @ a poster suggesting Asad Ponting Shafiq as test captain 😂😂🤦🏽*♂️
 
Sarfaraz is useless as a batsman,even hassan ali can hit better than him.Sarfaraz ahmed should get out of the team because of batting not because he has failed as a captain.Compare all the captain and he is the only one useless.Babar Azam cannot win matches because look who he got around him.....openers who dont even perfom everytime and then the middle order is messed up as well.Look how with harris sohail he seems more confident.Virat Kohli got dhoni,rohit and co with him while Babar is alone,he cannot win matches alone .Make him captain so he can build a team around him.`Make Babar Azam captain
 
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Obaidd said:
And what would be his batting position in ODIs?
Can’t bat at 6 or lower which means one of Haris or Hafeez miss out if he bats at 5.
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Hafeez should be gone. So that leaves one slot which I assume Rizwan or Saud Shakeel will take.

He should bat at 5 ideally. But if no one else can bat at 6, then he has to bat there for the good of the team.

What hopefully will happen is Rizwan will bat alongside Sarfraz in the team. Sarfraz will focus on LOI and give up tests. If Sarfraz can prove himself and hold his place he stays. If not, and if Rizwan performs, then Sarfraz goes and Rizwan takes up the gloves.

Giving Imad who is really the only realistic option is a big risk at this point, and we'd probably be better off if Sarfraz captains as long as he's performing for now, at least until Imad is an automatic pick (he didn't even have a settled place in CT, he didn't always play). Fakhar was an option, but has looked so bad that his own place might be in danger.
 
Shan Masood is not sure enough to cement a place in Test side , how can he be a captain ? Its ridiculous.
 
coy0607 said:
The same Imad Wasim who's outside of the Afghanistan game had 0 wickets and a total of 113 runs in 5 matches?

I would have thought people may have wanted him out of the team, not make him captain.
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He should be playing as batting all rounder .
He is right now the perfect choice to be captain.

Next WC is in India , Pakistan need to have at least 3 spin options in the playing XI. Imad , shadab and harris can be that.
 
Pakistan will struggle to find one captain, let alone two or three. I think they should just stick with Sarfraz.
 
shane said:
Pakistan will struggle to find one captain, let alone two or three. I think they should just stick with Sarfraz.
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Flawed logic. Teams are not selected around a captain. The squad should have the best players. The captain is then selected from within the team.

Kindly let’s move into the 21st century and get rid of specialist captains.
 
ads101 said:
Hafeez should be gone. So that leaves one slot which I assume Rizwan or Saud Shakeel will take.

He should bat at 5 ideally. But if no one else can bat at 6, then he has to bat there for the good of the team.

What hopefully will happen is Rizwan will bat alongside Sarfraz in the team. Sarfraz will focus on LOI and give up tests. If Sarfraz can prove himself and hold his place he stays. If not, and if Rizwan performs, then Sarfraz goes and Rizwan takes up the gloves.

Giving Imad who is really the only realistic option is a big risk at this point, and we'd probably be better off if Sarfraz captains as long as he's performing for now, at least until Imad is an automatic pick (he didn't even have a settled place in CT, he didn't always play). Fakhar was an option, but has looked so bad that his own place might be in danger.
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Is his batting record comparable to his contemporaries? butler, shakib, qdk, hope,
Come on. Other teams have their keepers as their best batsmen. Ours is a liability.

He is a keeper batsman first and a captain only if he can justify his position in his primary role.
 
According to some reports the might split the captaincy

I can see them doing something like this as an example

ODI and T20 captian : Imad wasim or Babar

Test: Sarfraz Ahmed
 
T20is - Babar Azam

ODIs and Tests-Sarfaraz

Groom Babar as captain of all three formats starting with T20is.
 
Tests - babar
ODIs - babar
T20s - couldnt care less.
 
Belawal2014 said:
T20is - Babar Azam

ODIs and Tests-Sarfaraz

Groom Babar as captain of all three formats starting with T20is.
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Tests is literally the place sarfraz is worst at. I'd do it the other way around if we must keep sarfraz. But I'd just completely sack him.
 
Firstly the fact is Sarfraz is quite easily the best keeper we have had in the past 40 years. He is also easily the best keeper batsman in that time.

Now I was never in favour of him getting the test captaincy. It should have remained with Azhar, but for some reason our team can't cope with 2 captains like say the World Champions can. He is a lovely chap but Sarfraz is least suited to test captaincy because he follows the ball in a way that would embarrass a 10 year old.

I would keep him for the one-dayers but no idea what options there are for Tests. Azhar looks like he is ready for retirement.
 
T20 is the perfect format to groom a captain. Sadly there isn't much to chose from, a direct consequence of playing for your own spot . Simply for his military background I would like fakhar zaman to be the captain of T20 and ODI . He may come across as a hack but you need him in both formats. He is the only established player in the team after Babar and Sarfaraz
 
Obaidd said:
Is his batting record comparable to his contemporaries? butler, shakib, qdk, hope,
Come on. Other teams have their keepers as their best batsmen. Ours is a liability.

He is a keeper batsman first and a captain only if he can justify his position in his primary role.
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Mushfiq not shakib
 
Azhar Test Captain
Babar ODI Captain eventually but Sarf has to go now.

With T20 WC so near Sarf isn’t going anywhere btw.
 
Inzamam speaking to the media today

"A captain is the leader of the side and needs to be confident so that he can impart the same to his team. I am not in favour of series by series basis captaincy, I think you should fully support whoever you appoint as captain and give them a long term"
 
Obaidd said:
Azhar Test Captain
Babar ODI Captain eventually but Sarf has to go now.

With T20 WC so near Sarf isn’t going anywhere btw.
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It's in 1.5 years, plenty of time to boot him out . I'd get Imad for LOI and Babar for tests
 
The T20 team is no.1 so Sarfraz can remain Captain in T20s till the World Cup. For ODIs and tests we can find new Captains.
 
I would go with the following :

T20 : Imad Wasim
TEST: Harris Sohail
ODI : Sarfraz Ahmed
 
So according to reports it seems like it will split captains

I personally like having two captains one for limited over and one for test

How ever PCB might go with 3 different captains for the 3 formats that personally I don't like
 
Not only do I think different captains for limited overs and tests is a good idea, I think different coaches can be a good idea also. Tours are long and hard, different captains and coaches for test and limited overs are a great way of keeping the intensity high
 
Still early days but I think moving forward maybe just make babar the captain for all three formats
 
It's so sad that we don't even have a player who we can make our test captain.
The closest is Babar but he needs to improve his own game before he puts extra burden on himself.

Azhar and Shafiq are hopeless. Why would we want them to captain us???

There's literally no one we can pick
 
T20 : Sarfraz
ODI: Babar lot of time till 2023 WC so he can have lot of experience
Test :Asad or Shan
 
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