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Should we thank IPL for the fighting spirit shown by India this series?

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Indian team has shown great determination and mental toughness in the ongoing Australian tour. Without its captain and with more than half of the main players missing, the fight they have shown here is remarkable.

Winning the MCG test just days after being folded out for 36.

The counter attack of Rishabh Pant on the final day of last test.

The resilience of Ashwin & Vihari with the bat.

Natarajan and Sundar who went on this tour as back up net bowlers and have no experience of test cricket are matching Aussie bowlers.

Now, Shardul Thakur and Washington Sundar's batting partnership in fortress Gabba.

Must admit the fighting spirit displayed by Indian team here has surprised many, including me. I have not seen any previous Indian side or any side for that matter have shown this amount of grit and determination in Australian tour even with all the main players let alone with majority of its main players missing.

I think IPL has created this mindset where young players rub shoulders with best players around the world. As a result they dont get over awed in international cricket when facing big names.

Should we thank IPL for where Indian cricket is today?
 
Not just the IPL. So many things, Rahul Dravid taking charge of India's U19, A team's. The amount of money the BCCI has pumped into the academies, domestic structure, getting ex Indian legends involved in the coaching of younger players, as commentators to promote Indian cricket

Everything has played a part
 
Rahul Dravid
Rahul Dravid
Rahul Dravid...






Rahul Dravid...... The one and only man behind this..

But tbh these r some of the weakest display of talent by the Aussies.....the fire ia not there....as if they r
Just going through motion......


Anyway this series shown Indian team's character and steelness.....hatsoff
 
Partly yes. The IPL is the only league in the world where 99% of the best, active cricketers in the world play in front of huge crowds. It provides a tremendous environment for these young Indian crickets to be battle-trained.

This is the greatest Asian Test team of all time. The conditioning and mentality is incredible.

The young players are full of skill, talent and are mentally not fazed without the presence of the senior players especially against a seriously good opposition.

Kohli has instilled this fighting spirit in them after Dhoni took the Test team south in terms of intensity, but Shastri has also done a wonderful job. He executed his role perfectly. Unlike Kumble, he is the perfect foil.

The Kohli-Shastri era of Indian Test cricket will be remembered forever.
 
I have a different viewpoint. India has been to Australia what Pakistan has been to England for a long long time, only better.

India consistently reserves its best for Australia in Australia.

We are yet to see this attitude against NZ, SA or England away - so will reserve my judgment.

But kudos for showing unbelievable resilience day after day and format after format. Hats off.
 
hatts off
to their detrmination and for never giving up attitude.
any team would have easily given up long back and have given excuses and all..
just recently i remember misbah giving excuse of Babar being injured as the reason for pak batting dismal performance ..
just goes to show us that where's there's a will (talent) there's a way :sachin
 
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Corridor of Uncertainty said:
I have a different viewpoint. India has been to Australia what Pakistan has been to England for a long long time, only better.

India consistently reserves its best for Australia in Australia.

We are yet to see this attitude against NZ, SA or England away - so will reserve my judgment.

But kudos for showing unbelievable resilience day after day and format after format. Hats off.
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Maybe our top team not bunch of freshies..
 
No, it's primarily down to Shastri and his staff.

It's a far cry from the sorry days of Duncan Fletcher scrambling about in the dressing room with a placid frown on his face.
 
Mamoon said:
Partly yes. The IPL is the only league in the world where 99% of the best, active cricketers in the world play in front of huge crowds. It provides a tremendous environment for these young Indian crickets to be battle-trained.

This is the greatest Asian Test team of all time. The conditioning and mentality is incredible.

The young players are full of skill, talent and are mentally not fazed without the presence of the senior players especially against a seriously good opposition.

Kohli has instilled this fighting spirit in them after Dhoni took the Test team south in terms of intensity, but Shastri has also done a wonderful job. He executed his role perfectly. Unlike Kumble, he is the perfect foil.

The Kohli-Shastri era of Indian Test cricket will be remembered forever.
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I agree with you. I was very much anti Shastri before due to his cheerleading nature but now realizing the goods he has done to the players. The constant motivation by him...just patting their shoulders and saying 'You know what, you are the best irrespective of what world says' has done wonders to the team.
 
We learned the following in this series:

1. Full-strength India is better than full-strength India in all conditions and the 2018 series win was deserved.

2. This is the GOAT Asian Test team. No Asian team of the past will be able to match their mentality.

3. Australia is scared of India. They cannot believe the intensity India have showed after 36/9, after losing Kohli and all the other main players due to injury.

4. Usually, when teams tour Australia, they are the ones hoping for the tour to end quickly. This time around, it seems that the Australians are the ones who cannot wait to see the back of India. If they win from here, it will be the most embarrassing series win on their home soil. By all accounts, they should have won 4-0, 3-0 or at least 3-1 considering the circumstances.

5. Shastri is a genius motivator. He deserves all the credit for what he has done. He is the perfect foil to Kohli and deserves a new contract.
 
You wouldnt need a "fighting spirit" if your players were fit #ThanksIPL
 
JaDed said:
Maybe our top team not bunch of freshies..
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Absolutely agree. This bunch has been incredible.

As I have said in threads elsewhere, Kohli's absence in some ways has helped free these youngsters up. You can see the jump in quality from 36 all out straight away.

A big difference leadership makes.
 
So proud of this team.

Hard to remember when has an Indian team shown so much grit and character overseas being down and out and being reduced to a second string team.

Well done Kohli, Shastri, BCCI for the atmosphere and culture.

Well done Rahane and co for stepping up in the hour of need and showing tremendous CHARACTER! :14:
 
Lol no, IPL's been around for 13 years now. Give credit to the team and management not some circus.
 
The new coping mechanism of our fans:

“this fight back only happened because Kohli wasn’t there, he is not a good leader.”

He has won 33 Tests as captain (most by an Asian captain) and kept India at the top of rankings for 5 years (longest number 1 reign for an Asian team) due to his poor leadership and tactics.

:91: :139:
 
MenInG said:
You wouldnt need a "fighting spirit" if your players were fit #ThanksIPL
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Frankly glad that a lot of TOP players especially Kohli were not available, it's given a chance to likes of Vihari / Siraj / Ashwin / Pant / Rahane / Shardul / Washington etc to showcase their skills and also opened up the eyes of a lot of people at home...

We now know, even if our first XI isn't available, we can still fight and win...
 
Mamoon said:
Partly yes. The IPL is the only league in the world where 99% of the best, active cricketers in the world play in front of huge crowds. It provides a tremendous environment for these young Indian crickets to be battle-trained.

This is the greatest Asian Test team of all time. The conditioning and mentality is incredible.

The young players are full of skill, talent and are mentally not fazed without the presence of the senior players especially against a seriously good opposition.

Kohli has instilled this fighting spirit in them after Dhoni took the Test team south in terms of intensity, but Shastri has also done a wonderful job. He executed his role perfectly. Unlike Kumble, he is the perfect foil.

The Kohli-Shastri era of Indian Test cricket will be remembered forever.
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I have been saying a fact since long time -
The current indian success is actually a measure of indian domestic cricket strength - ipl ranji duleep trophy etc . The biggest difference is each state was allowed three professional players about 8-9 years ago . So u had players like muzumdar and other vastly experienced cricketers sharing ur dressing room - please see Vidarbha success ( saini is from Vidarbha amd so is Unmesh )
Kerala ranji team has some serious pace options - in fact all ranji teams these days sport at Least two 140 k options .

The role of ipl is the financial stability one gets. And the batsmen get to see best players amd best fitness coaches .

I remember even sreenath was injured back in the day but had to keep on playing - now u can ask bumrah to take rest and give a game to saini

This is the greatest Asian team but I think the indian factory will now keep on producing crazy talent and there is enough money , coaching and cricket to allow display and prosperity of this talent .
 
docteurmanish said:
I have been saying a fact since long time -
The current indian success is actually a measure of indian domestic cricket strength - ipl ranji duleep trophy etc . The biggest difference is each state was allowed three professional players about 8-9 years ago . So u had players like muzumdar and other vastly experienced cricketers sharing ur dressing room - please see Vidarbha success ( saini is from Vidarbha amd so is Unmesh )
Kerala ranji team has some serious pace options - in fact all ranji teams these days sport at Least two 140 k options .

The role of ipl is the financial stability one gets. And the batsmen get to see best players amd best fitness coaches .

I remember even sreenath was injured back in the day but had to keep on playing - now u can ask bumrah to take rest and give a game to saini

This is the greatest Asian team but I think the indian factory will now keep on producing crazy talent and there is enough money , coaching and cricket to allow display and prosperity of this talent .
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This right here hits the nail on the head.

No one seems to be crediting the domestic infrastructure and coaches.

IPL helped with the money and mindset.

Skills were honed in domestic.

And Bharat Arun is a legendary bowling coach.
 
MenInG said:
You wouldnt need a "fighting spirit" if your players were fit #ThanksIPL
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Yup.....poor fitness is due to IPL.....Just think when there will be 12 teams... India would need more of fighting spirit then
 
It is a combination of various factors
1) India A Coaching by Rahul Dravid
2) T20 - This helps u share the dressing rooms with Great Players world over & learn from them the various way to improve their performance . Plus T20 helps u handle the pressure situation in general but I do agree T20 is not helpful in being a good Test Player
 
Yeah thank the IPL for this show. But for it, India would have some proper First Class batsmen who can dig in and play long innings.

Today's partnership resulted because their top order can't bat more than 3 hours. Otherwise India would be 500 on this road of a pitch and not let their bowlers save the day.
 
Rajdeep said:
I think IPL has created this mindset where young players rub shoulders with best players around the world. As a result they dont get over awed in international cricket when facing big names.
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This.

Natarajan, who was playing some state T20 leagues just months ago and who was supposed to just provide some practice to the batsmen in nets.....all of a sudden finds himself on the team sheet for a Test match against Australia at the Gabba. And the moment he gets onto the field, he sees David Warner with whom he has just spent a good two months with. A debut bowler from any other country would have seen a devastating opener who will most likely wreck him soon....

Shubman Gill makes his debut in a boxing Day test and sees a friendly face in Pat Cummins running in to bowl to him at the MCG. Any other guy would see the 'best bowler in the world' steaming in.....

Same with Shardul/Hazlewood, Pant/Cummins, Washie/Starc(?) etc....

As they say.... cricket or any other sport at the highest level is 75% psychological, 20 % skill and 5% luck. And the sense and feeling of familiarity is huuuge in these type of situations. And ofcourse the experience of playing against them as well for guys like Siraj, Saini, Ashwin....
 
naseem said:
But tbh these r some of the weakest display of talent by the Aussies.....the fire ia not there....as if they r
Just going through motion......
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You look as good as your opponent makes you look.

Put this same Aussie team against the likes of Pakistan or Sri Lanka, then you'll see the full strongest display of tallunt again as you're used to.
 
Revolution said:
I already enjoying the Australia series unlike you. It is exceeded expectations to myself and other all Indians fans except you.
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I don't think so. Judging by your last post it seems you are still assuming things and worrying about me. You definitely want my validation to enjoy this series lol. :inti
 
Mesozoic said:
You look as good as your opponent makes you look.

Put this same Aussie team against the likes of Pakistan or Sri Lanka, then you'll see the full strongest display of tallunt again as you're used to.
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Exactly...in the Ashes one felt they were holding on because of one batter. But then Pakistan and NZ come to their shores and they hammer these sides. Seeing that sort of domination, one felt whitewash against us was a foregone conclusion.

But now we have exposed their frailties just like England did..Its all relative in the end.
 
IPL is a money bank purely. It is just that money is put back into the system. Domestic cricketers salaries are better.
India's Test Cricketers like Pujara are able to make very good living on Test Cricket alone because of that money.

Shardul Thakur has played lot of A tour matches before and so have Siraj and Saini.
It is more the improvement in domestic structure and cricket as a viable career option, we are seeing this fighting spirit.
 
Revolution said:
95% of catches were dropped by Tim paine.

Which IPL team does he play for??
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Are you sure about 95%? And he can pick up bad habits from other Australian players who played in IPL. It's like Covid19. It can pass onto others. Mr [MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] is the man behind this logic. For more info contact him. :inti
 
The thing to note is that the majority of players who've out up a fight play with merit in the IPL. So much for the white ball, red ball product nonsense that is spewed around in the Pakistan circuit.

A good player is strong mentally, skillful and can play a variation of roles depending on the situation irrespective of the format. You don't come across 20 different players taking the field for 4 tests with a very respectable 1-1 scoreline. Even if this is 2-1 to Australia, it will still say a lot about the character shown by the Indian bench players.
 
Mesozoic said:
This.

Natarajan, who was playing some state T20 leagues just months ago and who was supposed to just provide some practice to the batsmen in nets.....all of a sudden finds himself on the team sheet for a Test match against Australia at the Gabba. And the moment he gets onto the field, he sees David Warner with whom he has just spent a good two months with. A debut bowler from any other country would have seen a devastating opener who will most likely wreck him soon....

Shubman Gill makes his debut in a boxing Day test and sees a friendly face in Pat Cummins running in to bowl to him at the MCG. Any other guy would see the 'best bowler in the world' steaming in.....

Same with Shardul/Hazlewood, Pant/Cummins, Washie/Starc(?) etc....

As they say.... cricket or any other sport at the highest level is 75% psychological, 20 % skill and 5% luck. And the sense and feeling of familiarity is huuuge in these type of situations. And ofcourse the experience of playing against them as well for guys like Siraj, Saini, Ashwin....
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Very interesting take...

And quite true too.
 
The IPL has been going on for more than 10 years now, but we haven't seen this fighting spirit anytime in the last ten years. So I doubt it is all due to the IPL.

There has been a tremendous increase in the confidence of the average Indian youngster in the past two decades. Even among the relatively poor and underprivileged, one can observe a very visible 'can go anywhere and do anything, nothing is impossible' attitude. The best part is that this all seems to be accompanied by a lot of humility and discipline, unlike in the earlier times when Indians would get all proud and arrogant upon achieving small milestones.

Put a bunch of such youngsters under the command of a cocky, inspiring,monstrously skilled and confident captain like Kohli, and the results are there for all to see.

And it's not just in cricket. Who would have thought that India would be a world power in badminton a few years ago?

I like what is coming from India nowadays. All that the kids need to do is to keep their heads between their shoulders, and their futures are bright as ever.
 
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A resounding yes

People love to blame IPL but it has bridged the gap between domestics and internationals in terms of handling pressure
 
gani999 said:
The IPL has been going on for more than 10 years now, but we haven't seen this fighting spirit anytime in the last ten years. So I doubt it is all due to the IPL.

There has been a tremendous increase in the confidence of the average Indian youngster in the past two decades. Even among the relatively poor and underprivileged, one can observe a very visible 'can go anywhere and do anything, nothing is impossible' attitude. The best part is that this all seems to be accompanied by a lot of humility and discipline, unlike in the earlier times when Indians would get all proud and arrogant upon achieving small milestones.

Put a bunch of such youngsters under the command of a cocky, inspiring monstrously skilled and confident captain like Kohli, and the results are there for all to see.

And it's not just in cricket. Who would have thought that India would be a world power in badminton a few years ago?

I like what is coming from India nowadays. All that the kids need to do is to keep their heads between their shoulders, and their futures are bright as ever.
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Takes time to show results
 
hitthestump said:
Lol i'm sure this is getting carried away. 36 all out was only like last week.
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LOL, everyone falls at some time or the other. It is the ability to get up from the fall and forge ahead that sets the good apart from the average.
India was 36/9 in the first test and went on to thrash Australia in the second test. That's what matters.

And yes, Australia are rattled. They've never seen a depleted side wake up and fight back the way India has done.

Shardul Thakur and Washinton Sundar cracking fifties against a full-strength Aussie attack at the Gabbatoir! What can I say!
 
Saurav said:
A resounding yes

People love to blame IPL but it has bridged the gap between domestics and internationals in terms of handling pressure
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Agree. I am sure there are other factors as well, but having to compete at a much higher level day in day out weeds out those who can coast on domestic fare and those who can step up. Having watched the PSL last few years, this has become apparent. IPL is great for honing the rough diamonds into the finished product.
 
gani999 said:
LOL, everyone falls at some time or the other. It is the ability to get up from the fall and forge ahead that sets the good apart from the average.
India was 36/9 in the first test and went on to thrash Australia in the second test. That's what matters.

And yes, Australia are rattled. They've never seen a depleted side wake up and fight back the way India has done.

Shardul Thakur and Washinton Sundar cracking fifties against a full-strength Aussie attack at the Gabbatoir! What can I say!
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The fact that aussies are rattled can be very well seen with their bodyline bowling to tailenders.
 
It has given players the confidence of facing international stars.

Thakur has played with Hazlewood, played against Cummins. Therefore he isnt scared.
 
We should thank the investment from BCCI into domestic cricket, improving pitches, improving grounds where fielders can dive.
For the the praise of Sundar and his exploits in IPL, Sundar has a First Class Century to his name, opening the innings. IPL just put him in lime light.
Shardul has played a lot of domestic matches, India A tour matches.

I would really like to Thank only one person, The Great Wall, Rahul Dravid.
He setup these U-19 pathways and A tour structure, and lo and behold with time, it is reaping some rewards.

India is still not at its best, but hopefully we improve further.
 
It's not just due to IPL. Good domestic system and reliable coaching helps as well.
 
hitthestump said:
Lol i'm sure this is getting carried away. 36 all out was only like last week.
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That was an anomaly which can happen to the best of teams. The fact that Indian players never got succumbed to that defeat and came back strongly to win the next test in Melbourne shows the character. And this character is due to the IPL and hence the thread.

Also, even during that Adelaide test...India was at top on 6 out of 8 sessions. Just 2 poor sessions on third day costed us the match. But it happens.
 
Hasan123 said:
It's not just due to IPL. Good domestic system and reliable coaching helps as well.
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That all helps obviously, but facing international players who have developed skills outside of Asia is the differentiator. Look at Pakistan players who were never exposed to decent seam bowling because the pitches in Pakistan didn't encourage seam or swing. No Pakistan bowler has even bothered to develop a decent outswinger, even the best bowler Shaheen Afridi admits he needs to learn this skill and he's an international.
 
IPL has definitely endowed young players with more confidence & skillset to play at the highest level

I still remember 1999 tour of Australia. It was a total disaster. We did not just lose 3-0 but lost without any fight & honor. even worse was our new young players supposed to be our future - Devang Gandhi , MSK Prasad, Vijay Bharadwaj , Sameer Dighe, Hrishikesh Kanitkar looked so woefully out of place in international cricket. Devang Gandhi & Hrisikesh Kanitkar were prolific scorer in domestic cricket but in Australia batted like tail enders

Today look at the likes of Siraj, Sundar, Shardul , Natarajan. Not once they looked out of place. Thats the biggest change - thanks to IPL
 
NishanKonar said:
IPL has definitely endowed young players with more confidence & skillset to play at the highest level

I still remember 1999 tour of Australia. It was a total disaster. We did not just lose 3-0 but lost without any fight & honor. even worse was our new young players supposed to be our future - Devang Gandhi , MSK Prasad, Vijay Bharadwaj , Sameer Dighe, Hrishikesh Kanitkar looked so woefully out of place in international cricket. Devang Gandhi & Hrisikesh Kanitkar were prolific scorer in domestic cricket but in Australia batted like tail enders

Today look at the likes of Siraj, Sundar, Shardul , Natarajan. Not once they looked out of place. Thats the biggest change - thanks to IPL
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I remember that series. :(

Day 1.

Aus reduced to 40-4.

I went to school happy.

When I returned...they were 250-4.

Then 405-6.

From there, it was all downhill.

Except Sachin, the whole tour was a disaster.

Even bigger than our 0-8 (atleast we knew our team was old).

1999 showed we just didn't have it in ourselves to compete.

Soul sucking.
 
India have spent the gains from IPL in exactly the right areas - academies across the country, grassroots coaching, upgrading grounds and into domestic cricket. Dravid obviously is a terrific mentor for any young batsman.

IPL, while not specifically helping one's red ball skills, helps to prevent youngsters from being overrawed at international level by exposing them to the world's best players (PSL meanwhile mostly attracts second rate journeymen). Playing in front of packed houses and large televised audiences builds resilience under pressure. They're also rubbing shoulders with the best international coaches.

It's also true the Indians lift their game against Australia given the heatedness of the rivalry especially in the last 20 years. The batsmen tend to play pace and bounce better in AUS/SAF than seam and swing in ENG/NZ. The bowling has capacity to take 20 wickets anywhere, and despite not being some legendary ex-pro, Bharat Arun seems to be good at developing opposition specific bowling plans.

That's something we haven't quite figured out on our side of the border...
 
Greg Chappell, while he was the coach of the Indian team, said after India's exit in the 2007 World Cup that if you want to be like Australia, you cannot afford to run your cricket like Zimbabwe. The BCCI learned from it, it seems.
 
1999 to 2021...

We have come a long way.

From meek kittens to absolute tigers with never say die attitude....

This is barely above a Ranji level bowling attack (maybe Zonal one) and it's matching blow for blow with Australia in the most toughest ground to compete in (Gabba).

:bow:
 
Hitman said:
Greg Chappell, while he was the coach of the Indian team, said after India's exit in the 2007 World Cup that if you want to be like Australia, you cannot afford to run your cricket like Zimbabwe. The BCCI learned from it, it seems.
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A very misunderstood fellow.

Excellent tactician and planner.

Horrible man manager.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
A very misunderstood fellow.

Excellent tactician and planner.

Horrible man manager.
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There is hardly any Indian player who worked with Greg that has anything nice to say about him. My own hero Sachin lambasted him in his book. Yet, I don't dislike Chappell. I liked his policy of introducing young blood in the team.
 
Hitman said:
Greg Chappell, while he was the coach of the Indian team, said after India's exit in the 2007 World Cup that if you want to be like Australia, you cannot afford to run your cricket like Zimbabwe. The BCCI learned from it, it seems.
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True and they took the first right step immediately towards that direction by firing Chappell.

Credit should go to N Srinivasan who put BCCI on its domination path and Manohar
 
Hitman said:
There is hardly any Indian player who worked with Greg that has anything nice to say about him. My own hero Sachin lambasted him in his book. Yet, I don't dislike Chappell. I liked his policy of introducing young blood in the team.
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I think he didn’t understand the subcontinental senior culture which was prevalent back then. He tried to run Indian team like Australians and made seniors his enemies. So yeah, excellent tactician but horrible man-manager.
 
Hitman said:
There is hardly any Indian player who worked with Greg that has anything nice to say about him. My own hero Sachin lambasted him in his book. Yet, I don't dislike Chappell. I liked his policy of introducing young blood in the team.
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On the contrary, he killed a world class talent in Irfan by tinkering and over coaching with him and ultimately made him a usual trundler. He was never really anything good when it came to coaching and he had a disastrous stint in Queensland as well, where he ended up making everyone hating him.

He is one of those guys who choose the easy route by taking out all the seniors and filling it with juniors who will do his bidding without any questions. That attitude may work in under 19s but not at International level.

Waqar tried this route in pace bowling department by stuffing it with teenagers who will obey each and every command and surrendered series to Aus and Nz.
 
Hitman said:
There is hardly any Indian player who worked with Greg that has anything nice to say about him. My own hero Sachin lambasted him in his book. Yet, I don't dislike Chappell. I liked his policy of introducing young blood in the team.
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Some people view everything in terms of right or wrong....forgeting the human element.

Greg was like that.

Very effective in planning & tactics.

But can suck the life of players and feel them demotivated.

Coach ain't the right fit for him.
 
Rajdeep said:
Indian team has shown great determination and mental toughness in the ongoing Australian tour. Without its captain and with more than half of the main players missing, the fight they have shown here is remarkable.

Winning the MCG test just days after being folded out for 36.

The counter attack of Rishabh Pant on the final day of last test.

The resilience of Ashwin & Vihari with the bat.

Natarajan and Sundar who went on this tour as back up net bowlers and have no experience of test cricket are matching Aussie bowlers.

Now, Shardul Thakur and Washington Sundar's batting partnership in fortress Gabba.

Must admit the fighting spirit displayed by Indian team here has surprised many, including me. I have not seen any previous Indian side or any side for that matter have shown this amount of grit and determination in Australian tour even with all the main players let alone with majority of its main players missing.

I think IPL has created this mindset where young players rub shoulders with best players around the world. As a result they dont get over awed in international cricket when facing big names.

Should we thank IPL for where Indian cricket is today?
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In my years of watching cricket, I have not seen a grittier and ruthless side than Waugh's Australia.

The Pakistan team under Imran and India team under Saurav has been resilient as well but they used to lose lots of matches in between that they should have won.
 
Dingolfy said:
I think he didn’t understand the subcontinental senior culture which was prevalent back then. He tried to run Indian team like Australians and made seniors his enemies. So yeah, excellent tactician but horrible man-manager.
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He tried to do that to Aussie state team Queensland and failed miserably as well.

His tactic of making Tendulkar bat in the middle order during WC 07 exposed his uyter lack of any tactical understanding. There were hardly any openers who were more qualified and experienced than him in the whole world and such a guy, against his will, was asked to bat down the order.
 
Last Monetarist said:
No, it's primarily down to Shastri and his staff.

It's a far cry from the sorry days of Duncan Fletcher scrambling about in the dressing room with a placid frown on his face.
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More than Duncan, actually Dhoni has been a very defensive Test captain and only knew one way to win matches
 
Hitman said:
There is hardly any Indian player who worked with Greg that has anything nice to say about him. My own hero Sachin lambasted him in his book. Yet, I don't dislike Chappell. I liked his policy of introducing young blood in the team.
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Nobody says nice things abt Greg bcoz it wud look bad given how much bad press greg got. Saying anything in favor of Greg will create bad blood wwith those seniors like Ganguly & Sachin who openly fought against him

But lots of the younger guys like Dhoni & Raina never said anything against Greg. Their silence tells you something

In fact Greg played a big role in advancing Dhoni;s career & even recommended him as future captain way back in 2005 when he was new to the team. Ian Chappel once said Greg always talked highly about Suresh Raina
 
I believe that the role of T20 tournaments in the development of Test players is exaggerated.

In my opinion, 4-day domestic tournaments are what prepares and makes Test cricketers not 20-over slogs.

4-day tournaments where batsmen have to bat for 100 overs or bowls 50 overs in a match are when you can tell which players have the skills and mindset for Test cricket.
 
Saj said:
I believe that the role of T20 tournaments in the development of Test players is exaggerated.

In my opinion, 4-day domestic tournaments are what prepares and makes Test cricketers not 20-over slogs.

4-day tournaments where batsmen have to bat for 100 overs or bowls 50 overs in a match are when you can tell which players have the skills and mindset for Test cricket.
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Yes, this!

What IPL does is give the mental preparation a huge boost. A guy like Sundar gets to face Cummins in a pressure cooker atmosphere so next time he is not overawed by the same person. So mentally the players become strong. Also IPL injects a certain level of professionalism and planning into individuals how to prepare generally for matches.

Look at Sundar for example, he has not played a FC match in last 3 years. Yet he turns up for a test match and bowled 30 overs taking 3 wickets and then follow up with a brilliant 60 against such a world class attack. Is this only due to IPL? No way. Sundr had the talent to bat and bowl already. But IPL prepared him to disregard the opposition and circumstances and instead play each delivery according to its merit. He was not overawed by the names in opposition.
 
Just to add to this theory. Washington has last played FC in 2017 as a 17-18 year old.

Since then he has played IPL and has been kept in the LOI squad to evolve gradually.

The way he is handling quality pace on a fast pitch against a quality opposition, IPL has to have some effect on him.

Also wonder when Natarajan last played FC or if he is a regular member.

Thakur yes is a domestic veteran.

Then add guys like Bumrah,Ashwin, Pandya ,Umesh who stood out due to IPl to add to their domestic performances.

IPL and BcCI putting the revenue back into domestics, killer combo
 
TNCA league as competitive as they come. Just because there are no star players it doesn't mean competitive spirit is less there. But you need a lot more than that to do well in Tests.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
1999 to 2021...

We have come a long way.

From meek kittens to absolute tigers with never say die attitude....

This is barely above a Ranji level bowling attack (maybe Zonal one) and it's matching blow for blow with Australia in the most toughest ground to compete in (Gabba).

:bow:
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Bowling attack has to do it one more time tomorrow

This is where inexperience might be costly
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
1999 to 2021...

We have come a long way.

From meek kittens to absolute tigers with never say die attitude....

This is barely above a Ranji level bowling attack (maybe Zonal one) and it's matching blow for blow with Australia in the most toughest ground to compete in (Gabba).

:bow:
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Couldn't agree more SIF.
 
Rajdeep said:
I think IPL has created this mindset where young players rub shoulders with best players around the world. As a result they dont get over awed in international cricket when facing big names.

Should we thank IPL for where Indian cricket is today?
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We haven't won an ICC trophy in 8 years. Wouldn't really say we do all that well under pressure. Good series though.
 
The PSL in comparison has had 5 seasons now, at best there have been marginal improvements in our T20 & ODI display in comparison to the 2010-2015 Misbah era but its pretty clear that the league is way behind other leagues in terms of quality, it might have a crazy following after the IPL but in comparison to the batting, bowling, fielding innovation, consistent team, player pressure, matches going to the wire, it's way behind
 
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