Should we thank IPL for the fighting spirit shown by India this series?

[Savak]

Irfan Pathans downfall with the ball started when Greg Chappell pushed him to focus on his batting more. He started to grip, realease the ball differently so that he could get more swing but that meant compromising on a good 10-15 km/hr in pace. Lol, he went the Abbas route and then decided to become an ODI, T20 specialist

 

[shaz619]

I don’t know about that, the IPL has been around forever. I think it is probably domestic cricket and strong links with local coaches / academy

 

[mfin]

The new coping mechanism of our fans:

“this fight back only happened because Kohli wasn’t there, he is not a good leader.”

He has won 33 Tests as captain (most by an Asian captain) and kept India at the top of rankings for 5 years (longest number 1 reign for an Asian team) due to his poor leadership and tactics.

Correlation does not equate to causation. Kohli got lucky that he is leading a well oiled indian cricketing machine, seeds of which have been sowed by Ganguly, Dravid, Dhoni and the big BCCI money pumped into every facet of the game. Kohli's captaincy in of itself is quite ordinary and tactically poor. Captain increases or reduces the performance of the team +-4-5% at best and if the gap between two teams is 10-20% and both play to par, in most games captaincy will not make any difference.

 

[Birdman]

IPL is not 'The' reason, but it is one of the reason. In the 90's not many parents did not view cricket as a profession for their children and hence discouraged them from even playing the game. IPL and other domestic T20 leagues have opened a way for many youngsters to get their foot in the door and atleast consider cricket as an option. So, talent can be tapped from middle and lower middle class pool.

Also IPL has provided funds for BCCI to hire and retain good coaches for domestic cricket to develop better cricketers.

Last but not least playing with and against international cricketers have exposed these young players to cricket at high level. Before 90 IPL, unless they played county cricket players never experienced playing against world class talent. So, yes IPL is sorta the catalyst.

 

[fitCricFan]

While India's domestic cricketing infrastructure should be credited for the success of these youngsters IPL is also responsible for making them mentally tough, playing some hard cricket, in crunch situations with with some of the best players. Basically, the IPL exposure helps them deal with teh unexpected & handle pressure in a much more managed way.

 

[Savak]

Correlation does not equate to causation. Kohli got lucky that he is leading a well oiled indian cricketing machine, seeds of which have been sowed by Ganguly, Dravid, Dhoni and the big BCCI money pumped into every facet of the game. Kohli's captaincy in of itself is quite ordinary and tactically poor. Captain increases or reduces the performance of the team +-4-5% at best and if the gap between two teams is 10-20% and both play to par, in most games captaincy will not make any difference.

Lol, imagine if Kohli was the captain and player in this Pakistani team. I would love to see the impact on his own performances, his captaincy win/loss ratio

 

[Mamoon]

Correlation does not equate to causation. Kohli got lucky that he is leading a well oiled indian cricketing machine, seeds of which have been sowed by Ganguly, Dravid, Dhoni and the big BCCI money pumped into every facet of the game. Kohli's captaincy in of itself is quite ordinary and tactically poor. Captain increases or reduces the performance of the team +-4-5% at best and if the gap between two teams is 10-20% and both play to par, in most games captaincy will not make any difference.

You can take credit from any successful captain in history with this train of thought, because no captain can win matches with mediocre players or turn hopeless talents into world beaters. No captain has a magic wand.

However, Kohli has also played his part in turning India into the must successful Asian Test side of all time.

Dhoni had all the money, resources, and the momentum created by Ganguly, and yet when he retired from Tests, India was ranked 5th in the world with a poor, lethargic fast bowling attack.

The difference between Dhoni and Kohli as Test captains is visible when you look at the performance of bowlers like Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav.

Both were completely different bowlers with negative body language. Kohli took them under his wing and they are now different bowlers. Ishant Sharma in particular went from being the butt of jokes to one of the leading Test pacers in the world over the last 5 years.

His dramatic improvement in performance under Kohli is not a coincidence. It is what inspiring leadership does.

Kohli is a great leader. His intensity and competitiveness has rubbed onto his players as well. He has made the pace bowling attack a vital cog of his team instead of simply using them to rest spinners in-between spells, which is what Dhoni did most of the time.

Our fans (not talking about you, it is a general point) need a coping mechanism. They expected India to get crashed 4-0 after the Adelaide Test and Kohli leaving and all the injuries that took place, but the quality and fight that this Indian showed over the last 3 Tests is something that they have a hard time accepting.

So now the coping mechanism is that Kohli is a poor leader, had he stayed India would have been whitewashed etc. etc.

Our fans always need something to cling on.

 

[Napa]

Indian team has shown great determination and mental toughness in the ongoing Australian tour. Without its captain and with more than half of the main players missing, the fight they have shown here is remarkable.

Winning the MCG test just days after being folded out for 36.

The counter attack of Rishabh Pant on the final day of last test.

The resilience of Ashwin & Vihari with the bat.

Natarajan and Sundar who went on this tour as back up net bowlers and have no experience of test cricket are matching Aussie bowlers.

Now, Shardul Thakur and Washington Sundar's batting partnership in fortress Gabba.

Must admit the fighting spirit displayed by Indian team here has surprised many, including me. I have not seen any previous Indian side or any side for that matter have shown this amount of grit and determination in Australian tour even with all the main players let alone with majority of its main players missing.

I think IPL has created this mindset where young players rub shoulders with best players around the world. As a result they dont get over awed in international cricket when facing big names.

Should we thank IPL for where Indian cricket is today?

IPL has had an impact on the psyche of Indian players. It has made them into professionals.

Professional sportsmen know that their success depends solely upon their performance. They do not have to do safarish, they can concentrate on becoming better players. IPL players are picked based on their performance. The big salaries they get means they can focus completely on improving their game. Also, the money gives them a confidence that less fortunate sportsman never have.

We know that professional sportsmen are a "different breed". Money has a lot to do with giving them a confidence that sets them apart.

 

[sshakir411]

IPL has had an impact on the psyche of Indian players. It has made them into professionals.

Professional sportsmen know that their success depends solely upon their performance. They do not have to do safarish, they can concentrate on becoming better players. IPL players are picked based on their performance. The big salaries they get means they can focus completely on improving their game. Also, the money gives them a confidence that less fortunate sportsman never have.

We know that professional sportsmen are a "different breed". Money has a lot to do with giving them a confidence that sets them apart.

Lol. And this guy claims he went to Ivy League. Your reply is laughable.

 

[Itachi]

Lol. And this guy claims he went to Ivy League. Your reply is laughable.

Why get personal when the poster himself didn't address anything against you?

 

[sshakir411]

Why get personal when the poster himself didn't address anything against you?

Are you his attorney?

 

[Itachi]

Are you his attorney?

A simple member of the PP community who cares for the community enough to voice for others when someone is creating unnecessary noise.

 

[sshakir411]

A simple member of the PP community who cares for the community enough to voice for others when someone is creating unnecessary noise.

Funny. Would have been a valuable reply if that really was the case.

 

[Itachi]

Funny. Would have been a valuable reply if that really was the case.

In my 10 years of staying here, show once where I've personally insulted someone.

 

[Sir Alex]

Correlation does not equate to causation. Kohli got lucky that he is leading a well oiled indian cricketing machine, seeds of which have been sowed by Ganguly, Dravid, Dhoni and the big BCCI money pumped into every facet of the game. Kohli's captaincy in of itself is quite ordinary and tactically poor. Captain increases or reduces the performance of the team +-4-5% at best and if the gap between two teams is 10-20% and both play to par, in most games captaincy will not make any difference.

This is one of the weirdest posts I have seen here.

Kohli was basically thrown to the wolves when he was handed over a team that was completely demotivated and demolished after successive series in Aus (not ordinary loss but humiliating ones). The greats had retired, the new crop were finding their feet and bowling was in shambles.

From thereon, he has succeeded in shaping a completely different Indian setup altogether. One which plays to win matches.Shastri and he have played this hitherto unknown brand of aggressive cricket. Sure, they would go on to lose a few but in the process also showed they will compete hard. Also in his tenure, India has become nearly invincible at home - they have lost just one test in the last 7 years at home. Plus series win in Australia for the first time ever.

All this while leading from the front literally with the bat and tactical ability. See how he has backed Siraj and Saini despite both being butt of jokes, especially the former, because he saw in them their potential.

A test or a series win could be fluke, but winning 33 tests in the last 7 years and leading by a comfortable margin over all other captain India ever had cannot be a fluke.