Should you wear shalwar kameez outside Pakistan if that puts your life in danger?

[Shah]

It appears that the 4 family members of Pakistan origin who were deliberately run over by a terrorist in London, Ontario, Canada were wearing shalwar kameez during their walk. This is how the killer identified them as Muslims.

So is it recommended not to wear shalwar kameez to avoid becoming a target and be potentially attacked or even killed if you live or travel outside Pakistan?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

You are not in danger from wearing shalwar kameez outside of Pakistan. The attack in Canada was a rare occurrence in a otherwise very safe country.

Second shalwar kameez is only worn by Muslims from South Asia. Its not something that all Muslims wear.

And third even though it was originally a Muslim dress in South Asia, people from the non Muslim religions have also adopted it. Mostly females.

 

[Shah]

You are not in danger from wearing shalwar kameez outside of Pakistan.

Would you like to speak to the 9 year old boy whose parents, sister and grandmother were killed and tell him?

Here are some more examples of shalwar kameez incidents in North America:
Attackers Yell ‘ISIS, ISIS' During Hate-Crime Beating: Police
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...isis-during-hate-crime-beating-police/717574/

One more
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/xenophobic-newfoundland-punk-show-1.3653426

and hijab related
https://vvstaging.villagevoice.com/...ssault-epidemic-that-no-one-is-talking-about/

 

[Technics 1210]

Better to die standing than live on your knees.

Never be ashamed of your culture and heritage.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

You are not in danger from wearing shalwar kameez outside of Pakistan. The attack in Canada was a rare occurrence in a otherwise very safe country.

Second shalwar kameez is only worn by Muslims from South Asia. Its not something that all Muslims wear.

And third even though it was originally a Muslim dress in South Asia, people from the non Muslim religions have also adopted it. Mostly females.

It’s not rare occurrence for Canada.

 

[The Viper]

Wearing Shalwar Kameez has no correlation with Islamphobia. You should never change your culture out of fear.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

The white Christian terrorist went out with a motive to kill Muslims, he was going to kill someone regardless of what they were wearing. If he didn’t see that family he probably would’ve went to a local mosque.

White Christian terrorism is on the rise, sadly.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

It appears that the 4 family members of Pakistan origin who were deliberately run over by a terrorist in London, Ontario, Canada were wearing shalwar kameez during their walk. This is how the killer identified them as Muslims.

So is it recommended not to wear shalwar kameez to avoid becoming a target and be potentially attacked or even killed if you live or travel outside Pakistan?

The bottom line is, one should use their own common sense to cautiously and wisely take their decisions that better suits your environment.

Personally, I am NOT a great fan of wearing Shalwar Qameez in the open and general public in non-Muslim countries that have a possibility of having such hostile element towards Muslims.

And nothing against wearing Shalwar Qameez. I absolutely love it.
Soon as I come home, the first thing I do is to change clothes and get into my Shalwar Qameez. It's the most comfortable dress in the entire universe.

However, there is some indication in Quran where God says I sent angels to a certain nation and they were made to look like the local people. Which probably means, when you are in a foreign country, then within Islamic etiquettes, live and look like them, and this includes how do you dress up.

Many at times, I have seen desis wearing long arabic robes walking on the sidewalks here in the midwest, and passing by vehicles honk the horn at them, sometimes some demeaning slurs could be shouted from those vehicles.

And my question to these desi and arab guys is .... whats the freaking point of your wearing this robe and long beard and naked ankles, and making yourself stand out, while you are in the general public of American people?

You are freaking here in their country so have some courtesy.
On the contrary, how would you feel if Americans or Westerners visit YOUR home countries and make bikni clad women and free alcohol to been seen everywhere?

I would personally avoid making myself sing out, and stand out from the general public out in the open.

I also know that for many adult age desi women avoid wearing pants in the public so I understand that. Each to it's own. Nothing against it.

Rest can take their own decisions and I have no issue with it.

 

[El Generico]

Where would you draw the line though? Muslims can also be identified by Hijab and beards so should also bearded Muslim man shave? Should Hijabi woman be forced to take their Hijab off?

This isn’t a solution at all, the guy would have just gone to a Mosque(which according to some reports he was), if he didn’t find Muslims on the street.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistanis living abroad should not give lectures on culture and heritage. You deserted them long ago.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Where would you draw the line though? Muslims can also be identified by Hijab and beards so should also bearded Muslim man shave? Should Hijabi woman be forced to take their Hijab off?

This isn’t a solution at all, the guy would have just gone to a Mosque(which according to some reports he was), if he didn’t find Muslims on the street.

This EXACTLY what the problem is.
Muslims should NOT put all of focus on getting identified by sporting a long beard, or a long robe, and having naked ankles or a miswaak sticking out from their pockets.

Muslims should focus on getting identified by, paying all appropriate taxes on time, work with honesty, obey the law, show tolerance, have good etiquettes, clean life style and be positive contributing members of the society - NOT only in their home Muslim countries but all over the world.

This holding a flag of identity crisis in a foreign land is only a waste of time and energy.

I do understand that females are obligated to wear Hijab but if it puts their life in Danger then God is not going to hold them accountable to wear modest dress without the need of a Hijab. My personal opinion.
Islamic guidance has tolerance and it asks us to use common sense when we put our priorities together.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Pakistanis living abroad should not give lectures on culture and heritage. You deserted them long ago.

And I guess stubborn Pakistanis living in Pakistan may even skip contributing to this thread. Even though, freedom of opinion is their right, but the thread may not directly relate to them.

 

[El Generico]

This EXACTLY what the problem is.
Muslims should NOT put all of focus on getting identified by sporting a long beard, or a long robe, and having naked ankles or a miswaak sticking out from their pockets.

Muslims should focus on getting identified by, paying all appropriate taxes on time, work with honesty, obey the law, show tolerance, have good etiquettes, clean life style and be positive contributing members of the society - NOT only in their home Muslim countries but all over the world.

This holding a flag of identity crisis in a foreign land is only a waste of time and energy.

I do understand that females are obligated to wear Hijab but if it puts their life in Danger then God is not going to hold them accountable to wear modest dress without the need of a Hijab. My personal opinion.
Islamic guidance has tolerance and it asks us to use common sense when we put our priorities together.

Well it’s your personal opinion so I am not going to argue but I completely disagree with it. Besides the biggest problem with your suggestion is where would you draw the line? Should Muslims also stop going to the Mosque considering they have been targeted before in the Christchurch and Quebec attack and even in this case reports suggests the terrorist was heading towards the local mosque.

BTW Muslims already do pay taxes and largely contribute positively to society but that doesn’t stop the extremist from trying to kill them. If Muslims do what you suggest and abandon the Hijab/beard then the extremist would target them in Mosques. Should we also give up Namaz because of a few radical lunatics?

The onus should be on law enforcement to ensure that these terrorist groups are eliminated so innocent people don’t have to live in fear.

 

[TSA321]

Not a fan of wearing it in Western countries full stop. If you or your family immigrated to the West then you should probably make an effort to dress more like the locals.

 

[Shah]

This EXACTLY what the problem is.
Muslims should NOT put all of focus on getting identified by sporting a long beard, or a long robe, and having naked ankles or a miswaak sticking out from their pockets.

Muslims should focus on getting identified by, paying all appropriate taxes on time, work with honesty, obey the law, show tolerance, have good etiquettes, clean life style and be positive contributing members of the society - NOT only in their home Muslim countries but all over the world.

Exactly. Shalwaar kameez does not make you a good Muslim, your actions do. Shalwaar kameez is a recent cultural phenomenon linked to South Asia, even female Sikhs and Christians wear them. Shalwaar kameez did not exist when Islam started over 1400 years ago.

 

[mazkhan]

So the op is blaming the victims for their clothing and not the lunatic who ran them over and killed them

 

[sweep_shot]

Nobody should be afraid of anything. People should take precautions and leave the rest to Allah (SWT).

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Exactly. Shalwaar kameez does not make you a good Muslim, your actions do. Shalwaar kameez is a recent cultural phenomenon linked to South Asia, even female Sikhs and Christians wear them. Shalwaar kameez did not exist when Islam started over 1400 years ago.

Nobody who wear shalwar kameez is wearing it because they think it makes you a good Muslim.

Pakistanis, and especially Pakistani females, wear it because its part of their Culture.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Not a fan of wearing it in Western countries full stop. If you or your family immigrated to the West then you should probably make an effort to dress more like the locals.

People who immigrate to western countries do wear western clothing on a day to day basis. However for special occasions like dawats, and weddings, or even when you have family and friends over, people, especially Pakistani women, like wearing shalwar kameez. If you ever have been to a dawat in the west, you will see 99% of Pakistani women wearing shalwar kameez.

At the end of the day their is nothing wrong with wearing it.

 

[King-Misbah]

Pakistanis living abroad should not give lectures on culture and heritage. You deserted them long ago.

So did you when you studied abroad. A lot of people moved due to economic reasons or due to the corruption, thuggery, incompetence of the govt at the time.

Anyways, I have worn salwar kameez in the UK and will continue to do so. I do not wear it frequently as I wear western clothes more. However, I do not believe living in fear.

 

[Third_Umpire]

What you wear or don’t wear should never be the reason someone gets killed.

 

[Giannis]

Pakistanis living abroad should not give lectures on culture and heritage. You deserted them long ago.

I don't know what cave you live in but there's something called immigration and diasporas around the world take pride in their heritage and culture even if their ancestors or they themselves immigrated to another country for a better quality of life. New world countries in particular are a mishmash of different cultures, it's one of the reasons we call it a melting pot.

 

[street cricketer]

This must be one of the few unisex south asian ethnic clothings out there. I always knew the shalwar kameez as a clothing for girls and women (sometimes I confuse it with the churidar). I was surprised when I first learnt that men too wear it widely, particularly in Pakistan.

 

[Itachi]

that was a very tragic incident. there is no blaming the victim here.

But I can see the opposite side of the spectrum also. when I was Ukraine, me and my friends often had to deal with locals and fighting were rather common (almost everyday if we go to the market). they try to beat you and steal your money and everything.

When we are in group, we did wear what we wanted. but if we went solo, then we dressed more like them with covering the face and head (in winter, it was more convenient) which meant dirty track suits, dirty shoes with a beer bottle in hand. That saved me many times from groups of locals while passing by.

It boils down to common sense. you will want safety for you, for your friends and family. If dressing like locals could give them safety even if tiny amount, then do it. because once they got beaten and end up in hospital, it will become a horrible scar.

It isn't fair. but then again, everything in life isn't fair also.

 

[Suleiman]

Personally I don’t risk it, and so won’t wear shalwar kameez outdoors unless directly going to mosque and back, or going to a dawat and back. Especially if I know I have to be in an isolated area. I know most of the population here is sensible - but it takes only one looney to hurt you.

Same way a woman in Pakistan (who is well aware of the predators there) won’t wear any stylish clothes especially if she has to be out and about by herself. (By the way I don’t agree that woman should know better and not wear xyz- men who can’t control themselves are the problem- I’m just saying see it from the POV of the woman)

 

[moghul]

I hate this ridiculous dress called shalwar qameez commonly worn by men in Pakistan , this should be banned in Pakistan too , particularly at work places. It has nothing to do with our tradition or culture.

It looks good on women though.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I hate this ridiculous dress called shalwar qameez commonly worn by men in Pakistan , this should be banned in Pakistan too , particularly at work places. It has nothing to do with our tradition or culture.

It looks good on women though.

Why is it not in our culture? What dress is in our culture?

 

[Giannis]

I hate this ridiculous dress called shalwar qameez commonly worn by men in Pakistan , this should be banned in Pakistan too , particularly at work places. It has nothing to do with our tradition or culture.

It looks good on women though.

Lol it is part of our culture, I personally don't wear it except on holidays.

 

[Giannis]

Personally I don’t risk it, and so won’t wear shalwar kameez outdoors unless directly going to mosque and back, or going to a dawat and back. Especially if I know I have to be in an isolated area. I know most of the population here is sensible - but it takes only one looney to hurt you.

Same way a woman in Pakistan (who is well aware of the predators there) won’t wear any stylish clothes especially if she has to be out and about by herself. (By the way I don’t agree that woman should know better and not wear xyz- men who can’t control themselves are the problem- I’m just saying see it from the POV of the woman)

Yeah, some of my Arab friends have been harassed for wearing thobes on Eid.

 

[OMB]

I always thought Shalwar Kameez (in India pronounced as Salwar Kameez) is a dress worn by girls.
Thought that the ones that Pakistani and Afghani men wear is called as Sherwani. Correct me if I m wrong.

It is a dress which is loose fitting and good in hot summer (like Arab wear kandoora). Not a good dress to wear near moving machinery or on construction sites.
The only reason why it puts your life in danger is due to the fact that this dress along with Arab dress was what most terrorists wore whenever they released pictures and westerners have trouble identifying difference between Shalwar kameez and ISIS dresses. Quite a few of them even confuse Sikhs with Muslims

 

[Giannis]

This must be one of the few unisex south asian ethnic clothings out there. I always knew the shalwar kameez as a clothing for girls and women (sometimes I confuse it with the churidar). I was surprised when I first learnt that men too wear it widely, particularly in Pakistan.

Men call it a shalwar kurta and women a shalwar kameez and the design isn't unisex at all, if anything the skirt a lot of indian men wear what you call a lungi is a better example of a gender fluid dress.

 

[Giannis]

This is a shalwar kurta or a mens shalwar kameez

This a womans shalwar kameez

They look nothing alike

This is a lungi, what people in India wear. Looks like a skirt.

 

[street cricketer]

Men call it a shalwar kurta and women a shalwar kameez and the design isn't unisex at all, if anything the skirt a lot of indian men wear what you call a lungi is a better example of a gender fluid dress.

I googled Shalwar kurta and it's showing shalwar kameez only.

Lungi is considered a casual attire worn by rustic men (don't know if it's the right word), mainly to be worn in the streets and at home. It's considered uncouth to wear it in traditional ceremonies and any functions, lungi would be the last attire that women would wear lol, would make them look rowdy.

 

[Giannis]

I googled Shalwar kurta and it's showing shalwar kameez only.

Lungi is considered a casual attire worn by rustic men (don't know if it's the right word), mainly to be worn in the streets and at home. It's considered uncouth to wear it in traditional ceremonies and any functions, lungi would be the last attire that women would wear lol, would make them look rowdy.

So is it more appropriate for Indian men to wear tights for traditional ceremonies?

 

[street cricketer]

This is a shalwar kurta or a mens shalwar kameez

This a womans shalwar kameez

Wait, I'm genuinely wondering what's the difference between the two, apart from the colour and material, and that dupatta like thing that's Mahira is wearing.

Even this one looks very similar to what Mahira's attire.

 

[street cricketer]

So is it more appropriate for Indian men to wear tights for traditional ceremonies?

Those are all north Indian attires of which I have little knowledge about.

 

[Giannis]

Those are all north Indian attires of which I have little knowledge about.

what's your ethnicity?

 

[street cricketer]

what's your ethnicity?

Tamil

 

[Giannis]

Tamil

aren't lungis like the national dress for tamils?

 

[street cricketer]

aren't lungis like the national dress for tamils?

Well that's a simplistic statement. That's like me saying burqa is the national dress for muslim women just because many muslim women tend to wear it, at least in India anyway.

Lungi is an attire wore by men, and that too has caste limitations. For example, brahmin men generally don't wear lungi (even for casual use) and they wear something called veshti/dhoti which is white in colour and has two free ends with borders made of silk like material. This is also the traditional dress that's worn by men of all castes in ceremonies and functions.

Lungi is a casual dress, like the pajamas if you will, worn mainly by non brahmin men and is worn for home use and in the streets. It's the farthest from a traditional dress and wearing one to a function would be like wearing your pajamas to a wedding. It can be described as a rustic attire.

 

[Giannis]

Well that's a simplistic statement. That's like me saying burqa is the national dress for muslim women just because many muslim women tend to wear it, at least in India anyway.

Lungi is an attire wore by men, and that too has caste limitations. For example, brahmin men generally don't wear lungi (even for casual use) and they wear something called veshti/dhoti which is white in colour and has two free ends with borders made of silk like material. This is also the traditional dress that's worn by men of all castes in ceremonies and functions.

Lungi is a casual dress, like the pajamas if you will, worn mainly by non brahmin men and is worn for home use and in the streets. It's the farthest from a traditional dress and wearing one to a function would be like wearing your pajamas to a wedding. It can be described as a rustic attire.

I thought Dhoti and lungi were interchangeable terms

They both look like skirts

 

[street cricketer]

I thought Dhoti and lungi were interchangeable terms

They both look like skirts

Well for that matter, even a towel wrapped around the waist after a bath would look like a skirt. Wouldn't make it one though.

 

[Giannis]

Well for that matter, even a towel wrapped around the waist after a bath would look like a skirt. Wouldn't make it one though.

Seems very progressive, looks gender neutral/unisex

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I always thought Shalwar Kameez (in India pronounced as Salwar Kameez) is a dress worn by girls.
Thought that the ones that Pakistani and Afghani men wear is called as Sherwani. Correct me if I m wrong.

You are wrong. Sherwani is a different dress, worn only on formal occasions. And that too only sometimes. Sherwani is worn only by men. On the other hand shalwar kameez is unisex in Pakistan. Also in India, at least in Punjab, men will also wear the shalwar kameez.

 

[street cricketer]

Seems very progressive, looks gender neutral/unisex

Lol no idea why you got ultradefensive at the idea of shalwar kameez being unisex attires though. It's nothing to be embarrassed about, T-shirts are unisex attires too, which almost everyone wear it everyday.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Wait, I'm genuinely wondering what's the difference between the two, apart from the colour and material, and that dupatta like thing that's Mahira is wearing.

Even this one looks very similar to what Mahira's attire.

View attachment 109626

That guy in the orange is wearing a kurta pajama. The difference is that the shalwar is more baggy than the pajama.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

So is it more appropriate for Indian men to wear tights for traditional ceremonies?

Pakistani men also wear the kurta pajama, though not as much as the shalwar kameez. It depends on the year, sometimes the shalwar is "in" and other years its the pajama.

The kurta pajama is more of a UP thing, so that's why you will see it more in Karachi than in other parts of Pakistan.

 

[street cricketer]

You are wrong. Sherwani is a different dress, worn only on formal occasions. And that too only sometimes. Sherwani is worn only by men. On the other hand shalwar kameez is unisex in Pakistan. Also in India, at least in Punjab, men will also wear the shalwar kameez.

Yes, I have seen Punjabi men wearing Shalwar kameez, although not so much men from other states. But it's a universal dress among women in India and has become popular even in south india for young women due its ease of wearing as opposed to say a saree.

I have seen many north Indian men wearing something like the one below in wedding ceremonies. Don't know what it's called though.



No idea why north indian men don't wear the shalwar kameez as often. I wonder if the shalwar kameez started being seen as "muslim dress" for men and kurta pyjama as "hindu dress" for men over time. But that logic doesn't hold because it's wore by women across all religions.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Yes, I have seen Punjabi men wearing Shalwar kameez, although not so much men from other states. But it's a universal dress among women in India and has become popular even in south india for young women due its ease of wearing as opposed to say a saree.

Same in Pakistan for women. Most younger men from the middle class and above usually prefer western clothes on a day to day basis. And will wear the shalwar kameez on special occasions.

However for Pakistani females regardless of socio economic status, ethnicity, whether they are liberal/conservative, they usually wear the shalwar kameez very frequently.

Yes, I have seen Punjabi men wearing Shalwar kameez, although not so much men from other states. But it's a universal dress among women in India and has become popular even in south india for young women due its ease of wearing as opposed to say a saree.

I have seen many north Indian men wearing something like the one below in wedding ceremonies. Don't know what it's called though.

View attachment 109627

Thats a sherwani. What suits are for western people, that's what sherwani is for people of Pakistan and North India.

No idea why north indian men don't wear the shalwar kameez as often. I wonder if the shalwar kameez started being seen as "muslim dress" for men and kurta pyjama as "hindu dress" for men over time. But that logic doesn't hold because it's wore by women across all religions.

The kurta, kameez, shalwar, pajama, were all brought by Muslims to the subcontinent. So their is no religions angle.

Also their is not a huge difference in them, its just regional variety. For example Sindhi Muslims and Hindus would both wear the shalwar kameez, as thats whats normal in Sindh.

Both Muslims and Hindus in UP would prefer to wear kurta pajama as thats whats normal there.

I am from Karachi, and as the majority of the people from their came from North India during partition, you will see kurta pajama being worn there quite a bit. I actually prefer it myself to the shalwar which i think is too baggy.

 

[street cricketer]

Same in Pakistan for women. Most younger men from the middle class and above usually prefer western clothes on a day to day basis. And will wear the shalwar kameez on special occasions.

However for Pakistani females regardless of socio economic status, ethnicity, whether they are liberal/conservative, they usually wear the shalwar kameez very frequently.



Thats a sherwani. What suits are for western people, that's what sherwani is for people of Pakistan and North India.




The kurta, kameez, shalwar, pajama, were all brought by Muslims to the subcontinent. So their is no religions angle.

Also their is not a huge difference in them, its just regional variety. For example Sindhi Muslims and Hindus would both wear the shalwar kameez, as thats whats normal in Sindh.

Both Muslims and Hindus in UP would prefer to wear kurta pajama as thats whats normal there.

I am from Karachi, and as the majority of the people from their came from North India during partition, you will see kurta pajama being worn there quite a bit. I actually prefer it myself to the shalwar which i think is too baggy.

Thanks for the informative post. I didn't know about the regional differences. I've always wondered why the shalwar kameez isn't popular among men in India when it's so popular among Pakistani men, I know now.

 

[Itachi]

You are wrong. Sherwani is a different dress, worn only on formal occasions. And that too only sometimes. Sherwani is worn only by men. On the other hand shalwar kameez is unisex in Pakistan. Also in India, at least in Punjab, men will also wear the shalwar kameez.

Yup. sherwani and kurta are different (in India shalwar kameez term is especially used for women only. For guys, its kurta). Just for the record, their difference lies in the fabric which one can guess at the spot.

 

[Itachi]

Same in Pakistan for women. Most younger men from the middle class and above usually prefer western clothes on a day to day basis. And will wear the shalwar kameez on special occasions.

However for Pakistani females regardless of socio economic status, ethnicity, whether they are liberal/conservative, they usually wear the shalwar kameez very frequently.



Thats a sherwani. What suits are for western people, that's what sherwani is for people of Pakistan and North India.




The kurta, kameez, shalwar, pajama, were all brought by Muslims to the subcontinent. So their is no religions angle.

Also their is not a huge difference in them, its just regional variety. For example Sindhi Muslims and Hindus would both wear the shalwar kameez, as thats whats normal in Sindh.

Both Muslims and Hindus in UP would prefer to wear kurta pajama as thats whats normal there.

I am from Karachi, and as the majority of the people from their came from North India during partition, you will see kurta pajama being worn there quite a bit. I actually prefer it myself to the shalwar which i think is too baggy.

kurta existed in India before Muslim came. The style was influenced by culture that Muslims brought along with them.

Atleast in assam, we had ahom kingdom where their traditional dress was similar to kurta (which was influenced by thai culture as they came from there).

 

[moghul]

Why is it not in our culture? What dress is in our culture?

In ZAB's era, a new "awami culture " was introduced , people started to showing up at work places and would go out without changing their sleeping dress , hence the shalwar kameez became more common . Prior to Bhutto era, not many men would wear this funny and very untidy dress.

 

[The_KING]

Why should Muslim stop wearing Shalwar Kameez? Should Muslim women take off their hijab? Should Muslim men shave their beards? No one should ever live their lives in fear.

Personally, living in the Uk, I wear Shalwar kameez at home, as it’s the most comfortable outfit ever. I don’t wear it outside, but if people want to wear it outside then that is their business and they shouldn’t be told not to wear it, because of fear.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wearing Shalwar Kameez has no correlation with Islamphobia. You should never change your culture out of fear.

Islamophobes won't know the difference though. If you are wearing any type of clothing which marks you out as a potential Muslim then you could be targeted. Beards used to be a dead giveaway, but these days they've become trendy with non-Muslims as well.

If you don't want to change your dress you don't have to, but it probably would have saved this family's lives.

 

[sindhiboy]

As a precaution, its better not to wear one. Especially a fully white colored shalwar kameez

 

[KingKhanWC]

As a precaution, its better not to wear one. Especially a fully white colored shalwar kameez

What is the significance of white here?

My view...

Islam doesnt have a dress style or fashion. You should try to wear clothes which are part of the culture you are living in. However in light of Islamaphobia, it's important not to let the far right white westnern terrorists to intimidate you, make you change your way of life. So wear them if you feel like wearing them, its supposed to be a free society.

On this subject I respect the Sikhs, they continue to wear their turban when its alien to most cultures in the west.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What is the significance of white here?

My view...

Islam doesnt have a dress style or fashion. You should try to wear clothes which are part of the culture you are living in. However in light of Islamaphobia, it's important not to let the far right white westnern terrorists to intimidate you, make you change your way of life. So wear them if you feel like wearing them, its supposed to be a free society.

On this subject I respect the Sikhs, they continue to wear their turban when its alien to most cultures in the west.

It's mostly the older generation of Sikhs who wear them, or recent immigrants. Obviously in heavily sikh populated areas they might be more comfortable wearing their Punjabi attire, but the same will be true for Muslims in heavily populated Pakistani areas.

This hate crime in Canada was probably not representative of Canada as a whole, but there will always be redneck areas in most white countries, whether that is USA, UK or Russia. Depending on where in these countries you are living, you will probably fare better or worse with ethnic clothing. It's not a one size fits all scenario.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's mostly the older generation of Sikhs who wear them, or recent immigrants. Obviously in heavily sikh populated areas they might be more comfortable wearing their Punjabi attire, but the same will be true for Muslims in heavily populated Pakistani areas.

This hate crime in Canada was probably not representative of Canada as a whole, but there will always be redneck areas in most white countries, whether that is USA, UK or Russia. Depending on where in these countries you are living, you will probably fare better or worse with ethnic clothing. It's not a one size fits all scenario.

The far right hate all inc Chinese. I agree it doesnt really make a difference if somone nutjob wants to kill. You can change your clothes but you cannot change your colour or the way your face looks.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Yup. sherwani and kurta are different (in India shalwar kameez term is especially used for women only. For guys, its kurta). Just for the record, their difference lies in the fabric which one can guess at the spot.

In Pakistan, when we are saying Kameez we are referring to a Kurta. We just call the outfit shalwar kameez regardless of gender, regardless of the various styles. However lets say a guy just needs the kameez, when he is in the store he will get a kurta.

 

[The Viper]

Islamophobes won't know the difference though. If you are wearing any type of clothing which marks you out as a potential Muslim then you could be targeted. Beards used to be a dead giveaway, but these days they've become trendy with non-Muslims as well.

If you don't want to change your dress you don't have to, but it probably would have saved this family's lives.

I still don't think wearing Shalwar Kameez makes you a target. I see people in the park always wearing the clothing. But that is in my area, maybe I am underestimating the impact it has in other places.

 

[Shah]

This is a serious thread but on the lighter side, there are a couple of advantages of wearing a shalwar:
- easier to loosen the shalwar (compared to pants) depending upon the amount of food consumed.
- in informal street cricket, it is harder to get bowled if wearing a shalwar as the ball gets caught in all that extra cloth.

 

[Itachi]

I still don't think wearing Shalwar Kameez makes you a target. I see people in the park always wearing the clothing. But that is in my area, maybe I am underestimating the impact it has in other places.

If there is a big population following the same trend, it becomes a norm and no issues arise.

If there is a few people following a trend, especially if they are non native, it may stir controversy at times depending upon the locals.

Its just how society works.

 

[Shazzam]

Pakistanis living abroad should not give lectures on culture and heritage. You deserted them long ago.

We are better at representing our culture than you guys do since we represent our country in the firing line day after day. None of us betrayed the country. We found a better platform in representing who we are. Rather here or there we are all Pakistani. There is nothing you can say to change that.

 

[Itachi]

We are better at representing our culture than you guys do since we represent our country in the firing line day after day. None of us betrayed the country. We found a better platform in representing who we are. Rather here or there we are all Pakistani. There is nothing you can say to change that.

have seen that in many threads. non residential Pakistanis hold more extremist views than the ones residing in Pakistan. boils down to identity crisis I suppose.

Non residential Pakistanis criticise Pakistan yet they do not choose to be involved in the system in order to reform it. It's very easy to criticize while living a better life in a developed country.

Even as an Indian, I could realize it and that's the irony.

 

[IAJ]

Pakistanis living abroad should not give lectures on culture and heritage. You deserted them long ago.

have seen that in many threads. non residential Pakistanis hold more extremist views than the ones residing in Pakistan. boils down to identity crisis I suppose.

Non residential Pakistanis criticise Pakistan yet they do not choose to be involved in the system in order to reform it. It's very easy to criticize while living a better life in a developed country.

Even as an Indian, I could realize it and that's the irony.

Identity crisis? Are you out of your mind? The love, attachement and concern just don't vanish once you move out of the country. People have various reasons to move out.

Overseas Pakistanis have been wanting to take part in elections for many decades and finally it seems this might be a reality.

Just one example here;

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The love & commitment of Overseas Pakistanis to Pakistan is unparalleled. You sent over $2bn for 10 straight mths despite Covid, breaking all records. Your remittances rose to $2.7bn in Mar, 43% higher than last yr. So far this fiscal yr, your remittances rose 26%. We thank you</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1381457965010542594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Itachi]

Identity crisis? Are you out of your mind? The love, attachement and concern just don't vanish once you move out of the country. People have various reasons to move out.

Overseas Pakistanis have been wanting to take part in elections for many decades and finally it seems this might be a reality.

Just one example here;

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The love & commitment of Overseas Pakistanis to Pakistan is unparalleled. You sent over $2bn for 10 straight mths despite Covid, breaking all records. Your remittances rose to $2.7bn in Mar, 43% higher than last yr. So far this fiscal yr, your remittances rose 26%. We thank you</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1381457965010542594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

love, attachment, concent couldn't keep the moving out Pakistanis in Pakistan. So search for better life definitely outweighs the love and attachment you are talking about.

And yes, send money as a token of those love and attachment. You guys have pretty rich standard.

 

[Technics 1210]

You will find many oversea Pakistanis wearing the traditional Shalwaar Kameez, but seldom do you see Indians in the West wearing a Lungi. North West London in particular. It’s embarrassing for them, but I guess that’s the price you pay leaving ‘incredible’ India for a better life.

 

[street cricketer]

You will find many oversea Pakistanis wearing the traditional Shalwaar Kameez, but seldom do you see Indians in the West wearing a Lungi. North West London in particular. It’s embarrassing for them, but I guess that’s the price you pay leaving ‘incredible’ India for a better life.

They do wear it inside temples. You wouldn't be knowing it unless you visit a temple, but then you'd be committing shirk if you did that. So take my word for it.

 

[Technics 1210]

They do wear it inside temples. You wouldn't be knowing it unless you visit a temple, but then you'd be committing shirk if you did that. So take my word for it.

Extenuating circumstance.

I’m not going to see an Indian wearing a Lungi shopping down Oxford Street or Tescos. Pakistanis wearing Shalwaar Kameez yes. I guess the later is socially more acceptable in these parts of the world.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I wear Shalwar and Kurta and Punjabi Gurgabi occasionally on Fridays when going to office. Travel to office, go to bars in Australia
Never felt threatened, in fact people were welcoming and curious and had fun interactions. You should be able to wear what you want without fear of consequences.
This was an act of pure terrorism, nothing else.

 

[street cricketer]

Extenuating circumstance.

I’m not going to see an Indian wearing a Lungi shopping down Oxford Street or Tescos. Pakistanis wearing Shalwaar Kameez yes. I guess the later is socially more acceptable in these parts of the world.

Well majority of Indians don't wear it and only the south Indians do it in their homes. It's a casual night time dress and wearing one outside would be like wearing your pajamas outside.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Extenuating circumstance.

I’m not going to see an Indian wearing a Lungi shopping down Oxford Street or Tescos. Pakistanis wearing Shalwaar Kameez yes. I guess the later is socially more acceptable in these parts of the world.

Well travel a bit around the world mate. Have seen people wearing Lungis and Shalwar Kameez during citizenship ceremonies in Australia and bars in the UK and Spain.
Lol at socially acceptable.. hah ha haaaa.. People wear what they are comfortable with, not as per what you want them to look like.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

have seen that in many threads. non residential Pakistanis hold more extremist views than the ones residing in Pakistan. boils down to identity crisis I suppose.

Non residential Pakistanis criticise Pakistan yet they do not choose to be involved in the system in order to reform it. It's very easy to criticize while living a better life in a developed country.

Even as an Indian, I could realize it and that's the irony.

What is the irony of it? Non residential Pakistanis would have moved abroad because they were looking for something outside of Pakistan, then if they see something better where they are living, they will say Pakistan needs to improve to be like this. Why do you call this identity crisis? What is the crisis here?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I wear Shalwar and Kurta and Punjabi Gurgabi occasionally on Fridays when going to office. Travel to office, go to bars in Australia
Never felt threatened, in fact people were welcoming and curious and had fun interactions. You should be able to wear what you want without fear of consequences.
This was an act of pure terrorism, nothing else.

Well no, there is something else. The hate which drove the act was being perpetuated by the clash of ideology which is being fought out physically across different countries, and being perpetuated by media. When 9/11 happened there was a Sikh guy who got murdered in America because his turban must have reminded someone of bin Laden.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Well no, there is something else. The hate which drove the act was being perpetuated by the clash of ideology which is being fought out physically across different countries, and being perpetuated by media. When 9/11 happened there was a Sikh guy who got murdered in America because his turban must have reminded someone of bin Laden.

Clash of ideology and willing to kill someone with different ideology, that is what act of terrorism is by definition. As a Sikh, I have never felt threatened in Europe and Australia and NZ. Never been to America, but is a place full of some lunatic gun toting criminal minded people. Somehow in Canada these crazy lunatics have made their way as well.
These guys are terrorists, same as ISIS and the guys from Pakistan who killed people in Mumbai in 2008.
same breed, no difference.

 

[Itachi]

What is the irony of it? Non residential Pakistanis would have moved abroad because they were looking for something outside of Pakistan, then if they see something better where they are living, they will say Pakistan needs to improve to be like this. Why do you call this identity crisis? What is the crisis here?

Every words has a context related with it. if you read individual post from any thread, it will rarely paint the actual picture because context is that important..
Read the flow of the thread and you'll understand. if not, ask me and I'll explain in my next post.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I hate this ridiculous dress called shalwar qameez commonly worn by men in Pakistan , this should be banned in Pakistan too , particularly at work places. It has nothing to do with our tradition or culture.

It looks good on women though.

This is a different topic altogether but the idea sounds quite ridiculous.

Shalwar Qameez is designed to suit the weather conditions of countries like Pakistan.
It’s usually very hot and very humid.

You need clothes that are relaxed, and with a good airflow.

How would one feel in Pakistan seeing his/her 70 years old limping grandma attending a party in a skin tight jeans?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Clash of ideology and willing to kill someone with different ideology, that is what act of terrorism is by definition. As a Sikh, I have never felt threatened in Europe and Australia and NZ. Never been to America, but is a place full of some lunatic gun toting criminal minded people. Somehow in Canada these crazy lunatics have made their way as well.
These guys are terrorists, same as ISIS and the guys from Pakistan who killed people in Mumbai in 2008.
same breed, no difference.

As a Sikh you could go to Pakistan and no doubt you would probably be welcomed by 99% of the people, never mind feel at threat. But does that mean that by wearing traditional Sikh attire you would not be more visible to the odd crazed fundo who was willing to kill an infidel? No one is saying it is wrong to wear your clothes how you want to, or that this country or that country is racist. It's just the reality of what current day politics is leading to.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Every words has a context related with it. if you read individual post from any thread, it will rarely paint the actual picture because context is that important..
Read the flow of the thread and you'll understand. if not, ask me and I'll explain in my next post.

Yes every word has context related, but when one uses the words identity crisis, then those words are meant to convey a certain impression. So yes, maybe it would be helpful to explain what they mean, and why you used those words in this context.