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Shubman Gill versus Abdullah Shafique

Quality player this Gill. Now has a hundred in all three formats.
 
Gill is a brilliant Backfoot player. But his front foot play needs improvement. Else he will struggle in England etc.
 
Mamoon said:
No need.

It is clear as daylight that Gill is miles better.
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When Babar scores hundreds against a second string bowling attack, the whole of PP wants his head on a stake.

Gill scores against a second string bowling attack, he is the next best thing since sliced bread.

The double standard is nauseating :))

This is not a knock on Gill, who I believe is a very good young player but needs to prove himself outside India.
 
Usman Chadda said:
When Babar scores hundreds against a second string bowling attack, the whole of PP wants his head on a stake.

Gill scores against a second string bowling attack, he is the next best thing since sliced bread.

The double standard is nauseating :))

This is not a knock on Gill, who I believe is a very good young player but needs to prove himself outside India.
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Prove outside Asia?

His 91 on a day 5 Gabba pitch against Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon to help India chase 329 is a better than anything Babar has done outside Asia.

This outside Asia narrative doesn’t apply when you are comparing to Babar because Babar is not the gold standard for performances outside Asia.

He has 1 hundred in 22 Tests. Gill should be ashamed of himself if he proves to be half as ineffective outside Asia in Tests as Babar has.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Gill is a brilliant Backfoot player. But his front foot play needs improvement. Else he will struggle in England etc.
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People compare him to Kohli, but technique and style wise he is more like Root although he has even higher potential and range of shots.

Like Root he is brilliant off the back foot, but Root is one of the best ever when it comes to playing swing. Obviously it helps that he is English.

If Gill can get anywhere near Root when it comes to playing swing he will be unstoppable. I think a County stint would do him a world of good and BCCI should be making some arrangements for him.

BCCI doesn’t let generational talents go to waste. Perhaps Kambli is the only significant example, although he had serious mental health issues.

There is no doubt they will give Gill all the support and facilitation to become the player he is destined to be.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Gill is a brilliant Backfoot player. But his front foot play needs improvement. Else he will struggle in England etc.
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Sidilicious said:
He has shown the ability and willingness to learn. If he puts in the effort, he will pick it up quickly.
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He has shown better footwork and better judgement of line on front foot recently but can't be sure unless tested.


Preferably in cold, rainy night in Stoke. :afridi
 
Mamoon said:
People compare him to Kohli, but technique and style wise he is more like Root although he has even higher potential and range of shots.

Like Root he is brilliant off the back foot, but Root is one of the best ever when it comes to playing swing. Obviously it helps that he is English.

If Gill can get anywhere near Root when it comes to playing swing he will be unstoppable. I think a County stint would do him a world of good and BCCI should be making some arrangements for him.

BCCI doesn’t let generational talents go to waste. Perhaps Kambli is the only significant example, although he had serious mental health issues.

There is no doubt they will give Gill all the support and facilitation to become the player he is destined to be.
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He already represented last year county for Glamorgan. Labuschagne also played

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e..._team.html?id=14570;team=1080;type=tournament
 
Usman Chadda said:
When Babar scores hundreds against a second string bowling attack, the whole of PP wants his head on a stake.

Gill scores against a second string bowling attack, he is the next best thing since sliced bread.

The double standard is nauseating :))

This is not a knock on Gill, who I believe is a very good young player but needs to prove himself outside India.
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I have no doubt Gill will end up as one of the greats. But what you have said is completely true when Babar scores against similar bowling attacks it’s called B or C bowling attacks. True hypocrisy.
 
Usman Chadda said:
When Babar scores hundreds against a second string bowling attack, the whole of PP wants his head on a stake.

Gill scores against a second string bowling attack, he is the next best thing since sliced bread.

The double standard is nauseating :))

This is not a knock on Gill, who I believe is a very good young player but needs to prove himself outside India.
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He had injuries mostly. In Australia he averages 51.80. If anything he had to prove himself in India as he mostly failed in India before. Averaging 26 at home in Tests. Also in Tests he should bat where Kohli bats. That is where almost all great batsmen batted.
 
Rana said:
Why should he be batting at 3 when we are happy to have our technical best player open the innings for us in T20?
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Because he's apparently someone who starts slow and like you have clearly stated in numerous posts they should be batting at 3 if your a slow starter.
 
So far Abdullah Shafique is way ahead than Gill. But it's that hard. That bad Gill has been.
 
Mobashir said:
So far Abdullah Shafique is way ahead than Gill. But it's that hard. That bad Gill has been.
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After the way Babar vs Kohli panned out, I was hoping that you will learn your lesson but it seems like you are not willing to learn and enjoy the way your comparisons end up in humiliation.

10 years from now, Gill vs Babar will be as bad a comparison as Kohli vs Babar, let alone Gill vs Abdullah Shafique.
 
There is no comparison.

Shubman Gill is a white-ball cricketer, and Abdullah Shafique is a red-ball cricketer.
 
Mamoon said:
After the way Babar vs Kohli panned out, I was hoping that you will learn your lesson but it seems like you are not willing to learn and enjoy the way your comparisons end up in humiliation.

10 years from now, Gill vs Babar will be as bad a comparison as Kohli vs Babar, let alone Gill vs Abdullah Shafique.
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Yes we will talk about that in 10 years.
So far, Gill is a failure. Not a failure actually, because there are many failures. He is a legendary failure.
Find me a worst test batsman with 20 + matches?
He is Shan Masood level when at his best.
 
Gill's place is in doubt surely in the Test side.

I wonder if they'll drop him for the 2nd Test.
 
Mobashir said:
Yes we will talk about that in 10 years.
So far, Gill is a failure. Not a failure actually, because there are many failures. He is a legendary failure.
Find me a worst test batsman with 20 + matches?
He is Shan Masood level when at his best.
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Gill’s 91 in Australia in the fifth Test is bigger than Masood’s entire career.

A zero talent player like Masood won’t even make the bench of India C.

laughable post, but at least you agree that it will lead to your humiliation in the future.
 
Mamoon said:
Gill’s 91 in Australia in the fifth Test is bigger than Masood’s entire career.

A zero talent player like Masood won’t even make the bench of India C.

laughable post, but at least you agree that it will lead to your humiliation in the future.
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Yeah I saw your new love for 'that one innings is better than entire career" but this is not it work.

Name me 5 worst batsman than Gill who have played 20+ test matches?
 
Mobashir said:
Yeah I saw your new love for 'that one innings is better than entire career" but this is not it work.

Name me 5 worst batsman than Gill who have played 20+ test matches?
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Even Indian fans are getting annoyed with Gill and want him dropped.
 
Gill can stick to ODI’s and T20’s. His technique is not suitable for Test cricket on challenging surfaces.
Gill relies on his hands alone to lay the balls. His feet are usually rooted to the crease and plays far away from his body.
Prithvi Shaw gets criticized for the same technique and got dropped. He is no where near the selectors radar.
 
Gill is terrible in Test cricket

doesnt use his feet at all, this way he can escape in T20 and ODI cricket but his tecnique wont work in longer format for sure
 
Champ_Pal said:
Gill can stick to ODI’s and T20’s. His technique is not suitable for Test cricket on challenging surfaces.
Gill relies on his hands alone to lay the balls. His feet are usually rooted to the crease and plays far away from his body.
Prithvi Shaw gets criticized for the same technique and got dropped. He is no where near the selectors radar.
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The drawback of the IPL and India's domestic money is that players like Gill, Shaw will make life changing sums of money even without having to rely on playing for India.
 
Another failure for Gill. On Such a good batting surface he failed capitalise on his start.
This thread is becoming an insult to Abdullah Shafique.

The only thing he has, is he plays more matches because he is an Indian and they get a lot of matches to comeback.
 
Mobashir said:
Another failure for Gill. On Such a good batting surface he failed capitalise on his start.
This thread is becoming an insult to Abdullah Shafique.

The only thing he has, is he plays more matches because he is an Indian and they get a lot of matches to comeback.
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How is this an insult to Shafique?
Does he average above 60 with 100+ str rate in ODIS?
In tests Shafique is ahead in Odis gill is way better.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
How is this an insult to Shafique?
Does he average above 60 with 100+ str rate in ODIS?
In tests Shafique is ahead in Odis gill is way better.
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Gill has nearly no noticable performance in odi's.
His innings against Bangladesh in the Asia cup was the best he did and one of the very few times he did something good.
Stat pading on 400 par score pitches.
 
Mobashir said:
Gill has nearly no noticable performance in odi's.
His innings against Bangladesh in the Asia cup was the best he did and one of the very few times he did something good.
Stat pading on 400 par score pitches.
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So does shafique lol, he massively failed in the wc. And he plays in the featherbeds of pak so that's no excuse either.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
So does shafique lol, he massively failed in the wc. And he plays in the featherbeds of pak so that's no excuse either.
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Don't know what world cup you were watching mate but good luck to you defending a sun 30 averaging batsman in test cricket.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Gill is terrible in Test cricket

doesnt use his feet at all, this way he can escape in T20 and ODI cricket but his tecnique wont work in longer format for sure
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He is not reading the ball from the hand even on a slowish track. On a real turner he will be even more suspect. He has to completely reinvent himself to get anywhere in Tests. He is finding it harder and harder that too on easy wickets.
 
Mobashir said:
Don't know what world cup you were watching mate but good luck to you defending a sun 30 averaging batsman in test cricket.
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When have I defended him lol, I have criticized gill all the time. And shafique massively flopped in Australia lol, averages 18 there, his career his built on bullying sri Lanka and Bangladesh.
Shafique being better than gill doesn't make him good.
And Shafique failed in the wc lol, had one good innings against a mediocre sri lankan attack and that's it
 
Both Gill and Abdullah have talent and can do well in all 3 formats but they need to work on their skills and out some value to their wicket. Failure is not a bad thing but failing again and again in the same fashion is a crime. Not acceptable when you have all the resources yet you are not working hard to take advantage of those resources and improve.
 
Mobashir said:
Gill has nearly no noticable performance in odi's.
His innings against Bangladesh in the Asia cup was the best he did and one of the very few times he did something good.
Stat pading on 400 par score pitches.
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That’s very similar to Babar Azam, he has no noticeable performance in odis bar a 100 vs Nz in 2019 world cup.

Gill averages 60+ in odis at 100+ str rate and came to rank 2 in odis, he is definitely doing better than Shafique there.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
That’s very similar to Babar Azam, he has no noticeable performance in odis bar a 100 vs Nz in 2019 world cup.

Gill averages 60+ in odis at 100+ str rate and came to rank 2 in odis, he is definitely doing better than Shafique there.
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So rankings now matter becouse it's Gill Is at Number 2 but ranking don't matter in t20s.
 
Very good knock by Gill today. First top class Test knock since that famous Gabba 91. This will likely set him free finally...

Shafique is a good batsman by Pakistan's standards but even this thread will likely end up in tears. On top of that, considering Pakistan's history regarding player ages, Gill probably even has a good 3-4 years on Abdullah.
 
Mesozoic said:
Very good knock by Gill today. First top class Test knock since that famous Gabba 91. This will likely set him free finally...

Shafique is a good batsman by Pakistan's standards but even this thread will likely end up in tears. On top of that, considering Pakistan's history regarding player ages, Gill probably even has a good 3-4 years on Abdullah.
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A t20 hack will now and then score. This exactly what Gill is.

Not surprised by the overhyping of Gill. When kohli finally does retire, the cupboard does look bare.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
A t20 hack will now and then score. This exactly what Gill is.

Not surprised by the overhyping of Gill. When kohli finally does retire, the cupboard does look bare.
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I am definitely not overhyping him. Nor I am saying he's going to be the next Kohli or Sachin.

But he's still a fiercely talented young batter who is most probably going to leave Abdullah Shafique in the mud in the coming years...in all formats. Many considered David Warner would just be a "T20 hack" but we all know how that ended up...
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
That’s very similar to Babar Azam, he has no noticeable performance in odis bar a 100 vs Nz in 2019 world cup.

Gill averages 60+ in odis at 100+ str rate and came to rank 2 in odis, he is definitely doing better than Shafique there.
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Gill has a 66 ball 80 not out in world cup semi final.
As it looks like Babar will never play a world cup knock out match, he is well placed in being better than Babar in ODIs even by the metric of "when it really matters".
 
Abdullah Shafique

First 14 innings , average of 70.xx

Next 22 innings , average of 23.xx including his double hundred in SL.

Gill looking relatively better and his talent is coming through.
 
I am sorry but for all the flaws Shubman Gill has he is a very good young player. Over the past 2 series he has done well buckling down and playing according to the situation of the game. When you look at the tough chase against England where he stitched that partnership with Jurel, he has the calmness about him. Batting in the middle order suits him and I feel that his average will go up. He might not become the great Indian fans expected of him but he will end up as a decent batter with an average of 45+ in Tests. That should be good enough for India. Jaiswal on the other hand has the ability to average 50+ in Tests. I don't know much about Abdullah as I haven't watched him bat but I know that he started well in Tests and then had a falling. We just have to wait and see how he does in the coming years.
 
Shubman and Abdullah???

No comparison really. Shubman Gill is a good white-ball player but he is still looking to establish himself as a red-ball batter as well but Abdullah is over-hyped.

I would not say that both are equal. Shubman is 1 step ahead of Abdullah ATM.
 
Another terrific comparison on PP. Gill is vastly superior in white ball cricket and while he hasn't delivered in Test cricket , Abdullah has been mediocre all around.
 
Hellion said:
Another terrific comparison on PP. Gill is vastly superior in white ball cricket and while he hasn't delivered in Test cricket , Abdullah has been mediocre all around.
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Forget about batting. When it comes to catching they are polar opposite lol. Shafique became a meme material with his slip catching.
 
Abdullah Shafique c Duffy b Sears 33 (56b 3x4 0x6) SR: 58.92

Poor innings this one.
 
Shubman scoring a ton at Leeds. Whereas Abdullah got signed as an overseas for Yorkshire.

I suppose all is not lost for the Pakistani :kp
 
aboveandbeyond said:
A t20 hack will now and then score. This exactly what Gill is.

Not surprised by the overhyping of Gill. When kohli finally does retire, the cupboard does look bare.
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Further proof that Gill is going to leave Abdullah in the mud. :inti

No amount of seething can change it.
 
Gill was clearly batting out of position. Bit like how Laxman had poor stats at the start of his career due to batting position.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Gill was clearly batting out of position. Bit like how Laxman had poor stats at the start of his career due to batting position.
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I don't think he can survive on tough pitches. He may found difficult on turning pitches. His technique is always a susceptible one.will be interesting how he deals.
 
Vikram1989 said:
I don't think he can survive on tough pitches. He may found difficult on turning pitches. His technique is always a susceptible one.will be interesting how he deals.
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Yes. Turning tracks will be a lottery for him. But in overseas no.4 is the best spot for him. But we have ammunitioin to do well on turning tracks besides GIll and Jaiswal. Entire England team is crap on turning tracks. They manage somehow. GIll will get support.
 
Vikram1989 said:
I don't think he can survive on tough pitches. He may found difficult on turning pitches. His technique is always a susceptible one.will be interesting how he deals.
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Is there anyone in our batting lineup who can survive tough pitches? I don't think anyone can.
 
MP2011 said:
Is there anyone in our batting lineup who can survive tough pitches? I don't think anyone can.
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Pant showed he can survive. Jaiswal got the technique. Sai sudarshan and Jurel can survive i think.both of them are resilient characters.
 
We desperately needed someone to score daddy hundreds and he has done that.

In last 2.5 years, our batsmen scored just 3 double tons in tests, out of which 2 were scored by Jaiswal.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Pant showed he can survive. Jaiswal got the technique. Sai sudarshan and Jurel can survive i think.both of them are resilient characters.
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Pant - He can but he disappointed a great deal in Australia
Jaiswal - Not sure about seaming pitches, can be really handful on spinning pitches
Sai - Not sure at all
Jurel - He first needs to be played regularly in the team.
 
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